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David: What about a person who accepts Christ on their deathbed? How are they saved if they don't do works before they die?
---Trish9863 on 10/24/11


Trish
We must grow in the Grace of God if we are to be saved.
Throughout the Gospels of Christ, Jesus tells us how we can grow in the favor of God.
How can one grow in Grace, if Grace is Unmerited?

Paul taught that Abraham's Faith was Credited as Righteousness, meaning Abraham grew in the Grace of God through his faith.
We are choosen by the very same means.

If we are saved by Grace through faith, and faith without deeds is worthless, how can that kind of Faith be credited as righteousness?
Will your bank credit your account if you give them a worthless check?
---David on 10/24/11


Lee, David: Both of you have a point, to some extent: Grace is free, but obedience to Jesus' command of love is also requered, consider Matt 25, the 'parable' of the sheep and goats.

In that one, Jesus certainly requeres action from our faith

It is not the only thing, but requered it is
---Peter on 10/24/11


David, please explain these verses from Ephesians 2. "8For it is by grace you have been saved, through faithand this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God 9 not by works, so that no one can boast."
---Trish9863 on 10/24/11


David //Can you show me where Jesus taught that our salvation is has nothing to do with our obedience to God?
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Our salvation is depicted or demonstrate by our obedience to God..

While salvation is a free gift received by grace thru faith, obedience is what is wrought in our lives as we grow in Christ. Eph. 2:8-10

Those that do not find obedience in their lives or do not have a change of lifestyle, probably are not really born of His Spirit.

John 4:35 Do you not say, There are yet four months, then comes the harvest? Look, I tell you, lift up your eyes, and see that the fields are white for harvest.

Most likely if it is possible, the Lord will put you to work for His kingdom.
---lee1538 on 10/24/11




What is grace if not unmerited favor?
---lee1538 on 10/23/11

Lee
Anyone can read what Jesus said in (John 14:21)for themselves. In that verse Jesus clearly says that we must obey his commandments for God to love us.
If we must keep his commandments, for God to love us, does that sound like the favor of God is Unmerited?

Do you believe what Jesus taught before he died on the Cross, was not a New Covenant teaching?
If not, why is he called the Author of Salvation?
---David on 10/24/11


Can you show where Jesus taught that sinners are not slaves to sin?
Can you show me where Jesus taught that our salvation is has nothing to do with our obedience to God?
---David on 10/23/11

David, Salvation is Jesus setting us FREE from the bondage and power of sin. BUT that takes Obedience...not to the Law, of which even all of Israel could not keep, but obedience to Christ who will set you free. Galatains 2:20-21!

I do not make void the Grace of God, for if righteousness comes by the Law, then Christ died in vain.
---kathr4453 on 10/24/11


David //I notice that you also do not found your doctrinal beliefs on the Gospels of Christ.

Christians live under the auspices of the New Covenant and not the Old. When did the New Covenant begin? Before or after the Cross? Read Gal. 4:4-5

//Can either you or Kathryn show me where Jesus taught what you teach?

Jesus told us that those in Christ know the truth.

//Can you show me where Jesus taught that the Grace of God is Unmerited?

What is grace if not unmerited favor? It is thru grace we received the unmerited gift of salvation thru faith in God. 'not of yourselves' Eph. 2:8-10
---lee1538 on 10/23/11


I appreciate your verses Leej, however no one can even understand walking in the Spirit until they are Born of the Spirit, and that is what Romans 6-8 teach us, being RAISED UP together with Christ a New Creature, who NOW has the Spirit of the Life of Christ in Him.

Romans 8:11-the end of chapter tell us that it's the Spirit who mortifies ( puts to death) our old man flesh.

We surrender to that Spirit of mortification SO THAT we can walk victorious IN CHRIST's Power and Life.

Galatians 2:20_21 make that clear...No longer I but Christ in me!!
---kathr4453 on 10/23/11


A better scripture is found in Galatians.
---lee1538 on 10/22/11

Lee
I notice that you also do not found your doctrinal beliefs on the Gospels of Christ.
Can either you or Kathryn show me where Jesus taught what you teach?
Can you show me where Jesus taught that the Grace of God is Unmerited?
Can you show where Jesus taught that sinners are not slaves to sin?
Can you show me where Jesus taught that our salvation is has nothing to do with our obedience to God?
---David on 10/23/11




//Kinda like the God helps those who help themselves belief. WRONG David. The reason you are still fighting it is because you haven't acknowledged Romans 6-8.

A better scripture is found in Galatians.

Ga 5:16 But I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh.

Col 3:5 Put to death therefore what is earthly in you: sexual immorality, impurity, passion, evil desire, and covetousness, which is idolatry.
---lee1538 on 10/22/11


Kinda like the God helps those who help themselves belief.WRONG David---kathr4453 on 10/22/11

(John 14:21)
He that has My commandments and keeps them, he it is that loves Me, and he that loves Me shall be loved by My Father...


Kathryn
From what Jesus said in (John 14:21), did Jesus teach that the Favor of God is unmerited, as you teach?
You see, it is not me that you call wrong, it is Jesus, the Son of God.
---David on 10/22/11


When you fight this sin because you love God, it is then that God will deliver you from this sin.

"God works for the good for those who love him" (Romans 8:28)
---David on 10/12/11

Kinda like the God helps those who help themselves belief. WRONG David. The reason you are still fighting it is because you haven't acknowledged Romans 6-8.

When we are baptized into Christ death, our old man, riddled with sin and addiction is CRUCIFIED with Christ, and the power of sin in your flesh has been rendered powerless. BUT it's up to you to walk in the NEW MAN and not the old. You can never make over the old man...but only acknowledge he died, and reckon it so and yield to that fact.
---kathr4453 on 10/22/11


Ben
I battled this addiction for 28 years, not because I loved God, but because of Gods punishment. I didn't even know how to love God.
How can you come to love God the way I do today?
Keep the commandments of Jesus Christ and God will bless your life. You can not help but love the one loves you. (John 14:21 & 23)

The commands of Jesus Christ are simple, Love God and love your neighbor.
Learn to Love your neighbor, and then, you will come to love God. It will be through these good deeds towards your neighbor, that God will bless your life.
Have you ever noticed in (James 2), James calls an act of love towards your neighbor an act of Faith? Ever wonder why?
Test me on this, then you will see it for yourself.
---David on 10/13/11


Ben
God delivered me from sexual addiction over 10 years ago.
The battle against this addiction lasted off and on for some 28 years.
The key to the removal of this sin is in your reason for fighting against it.

Do you fight because you love God, or do you fight because you don't like Gods punishment when you sin?
When you fight this sin because you love God, it is then that God will deliver you from this sin.

"God works for the good for those who love him" (Romans 8:28)
---David on 10/12/11


cluny, two things you ignored:

1 i was writing English, not slavic
2 i was writing from a ecclesiastic perspective, not some dictionary.

"the Church" is the body of Christ

"church" could be different things.
i was in church (the fellowshipping)
there's a church around the corner (the building)
what church do you belong to
(the denomination)
we're having church for dinner tonight :-))that one you can figure out the way you want LOL.
---andy3996 on 10/10/11


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\\however the church, and church also differ so read carefully.\\

That's a false distinction, as many languages, such as Slavic ones, have no definite article.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/9/11


Mark V indeed i didn' frase this last sentence wrongly. i should've say "thats why church is so full of unholliness" for there is a distinct difference between church and the body of Christ. however the church, and church also differ so read carefully.
---andy3996 on 10/9/11


andy, you said,

" that's why the body of Christ is so filled with unholiness."

That is not true at all. The Body of Christ is Holy. All who are born of the Spirit are baptized into One Body in Christ and Jesus Christ is the Head of that body. There is no sin in His Body. Not one ioda.
If you are saying there is a lot of unsaved people in the visible church, yes there is. But it is because most of them are not saved by the Holy Spirit. They do not belong to the Body of Christ. I believe you have to make a distinction when you speak of the Body of Christ. Otherwise you deminish the work of Christ on the Cross. What God does is always perfect, for He makes no mistakes.
---Mark_V. on 10/7/11


\\Otherwise, Scripture is a liar and we know that is false. \\

Maybe your understand of, "There is nothing new under the sun," is what is false.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/6/11


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\\12-Step programs had to exist (in some of other form) during ancient times\\

Not necessarily.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/6/11


The 12 Steps are basically put like this: Find God, Clean House, Help Others.
---Trish on 10/4/11

I expected someone to think outside the box.

My point was this, if there is nothing new under the sun, 12-Step programs had to exist (in some of other form) during ancient times. They had to exist during other times in history. 12-Step fellowships had to exist before AA, before The Oxford Group and before The Washingtonians. Otherwise, Scripture is a liar and we know that is false.

If you accept this as fact, why do people poo-poo them?
---Mark_Eaton on 10/5/11


\\This also brings up a question to those who dislike, distrust, or generally poo-poo 12 Step fellowships. If there is nothing new under the sun, what was the 12 Step fellowships before they were 12 Step fellowships?\\

I've already mentioned in a previous post here that 12 step groups grew out of a Christian movement called the Oxford Group (not the same thing as Oxford Movement).

The Washingtonians and AA might have practiced some of the same techniques--but not entirely. For one thing, the Washingtonians did NOT practice anonymity.

BTW, watch PBS's series on Prohibition, and you'll see how the Prohibition movement is responsible for the income tax in the USA.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/5/11


Mark Eaton: Bill Wilson, one of the cofounders of AA, was greatly influenced by a Christian group called the Oxford Group. He had a friend from that fellowship, who tried to help him get sober. Sadly, that friend died of his alcoholism.

AA was the first 12 step group. Then, others took the 12 steps and started groups for various addictions, as well as Alanon, for families of alcoholics.

The 12 Steps are basically put like this: Find God, Clean House, Help Others.
---Trish on 10/4/11


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however your idea is nice, and appeasing for those affraid, but nothing in the bible affirms what you hold, it rather confirms that a person can be demonically tormented. Yes it was dereck Prince who taught about it. i admit that some in the organisation of DPministries have deviated from his teachings. DP didn't held that you need to be demonised perse, and he advocated in most cases the crucifying of the flesh, as he would advocate to visit a doctor before looking at the "demonic force behind". however he brought back the ministry of Christ into the modern church, a ministry that indeed has been denied to long. that's why the body of Christ is so filled with unholiness.
---andy3996 on 10/4/11


\\Cluny did you know, that the 95 theses of Martin Luther who launched a severe counterattack from the RCC, and consequently the expulsion of Martin which accelerated the reformation was unanimously adopted by the RCC and accepted as truth it seems to e that your critic is unvallid.
---andy3996 on 10/3/11\\

I don't know what you're talking about here, andy, but are you aware that one of the 95 Theses is "Aposotolic pardons [i.e., indulgences] are not to be lightly despised."

I've read the 95 Theses. Have you?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/4/11


Seems there was a forerunner of AA called the Washingtonians.
---Cluny on 10/3/11

Reminds me of a Scripture:

Ecc 1:9 "That which has been is that which will be, And that which has been done is that which will be done. So there is nothing new under the sun"

This also brings up a question to those who dislike, distrust, or generally poo-poo 12 Step fellowships. If there is nothing new under the sun, what was the 12 Step fellowships before they were 12 Step fellowships?
---Mark_Eaton on 10/4/11


Andy, I don't question there is demons. I know there is. I have not seen one yet, but I know we are tempted by them. When Jesus delievered someone, the demons spoke, and obeyed Jesus. I did not see any demons speaking or obeying some person. Or coming out. Most of the adults were Christians already. They cannot have demons. The others were children. They supposely took demons out of them, because they were rebellious. All children are rebellious. This concept was adopted by charasmatics to introduce the gifts. A practice used by the Word of Faith teachers. And no, they did not take a demon out of me. I belong to the Lord. Andy, in the time of Christ those things could be authenticated, in this age nothing can be authenticated it comes from God.
---Mark_V. on 10/4/11


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MarkV how do you know it was phony? did they try to deliver demons from you? certain things cannot be judged unless there's a true personal experience. its like saying an unbeliever that repents was phony because it didn't go the way you imagined it.
Cluny try to type orthodox and deliverance, it directs you instantly there. its on a video site i myself stumbled upon it, so i cannot find it back but concerning the number of videos it seems to me that the orthodox do take demons more seriously then Romans.
---andy3996 on 10/3/11


Cluny did you know, that the 95 theses of Martin Luther who launched a severe counterattack from the RCC, and consequently the expulsion of Martin which accelerated the reformation was unanimously adopted by the RCC and accepted as truth it seems to e that your critic is unvallid.
---andy3996 on 10/3/11


Andy, I've been to a few Pentacostal deliverances. I've witnessed what they do. After one of the deliverances I bought one of their books. The book is called, "blessing or curse" by Derek Prince, well known guy who worked a lot in Africa. His group came to my church. What I saw was believers been delivered. Only God delivers none believers from the grasp of demons. Once He delivers them, they are free indeed. Christ Spirit then lives in the lives of the believers. No demon can enter the temple of God. Oh, some screemed and jump but it was all phony. Believers with demons is just not true at all. They have habits that God breaks through sanctification, but no demons. If they have real demons, they are not born of the Spirit.
---Mark_V. on 10/3/11


\\It is interesting that in my research i stumbled upon a Coptic Bishop in Egypt casting out demons publically, and however the site confirmed (on a popular video site) that majority where muslims,\\

You'd think that those mahometans might have learned something.

What was the name of this bishop?

BTW--I saw a program on PBS about Prohibition. Seems there was a forerunner of AA called the Washingtonians. Most Protestant clergy of the time thought it was a godless organization, because the drunkards found help from each other rather than their churches.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/3/11


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MarkV your hypothesis is Interesting,
Luke 13:16 And ought not this woman, being a daughter of Abraham, whom Satan hath bound, lo, these eighteen years, be loosed from this bond on the sabbath day?

the funny thing was, (but i allready knew that) that the patients all ghot delivered by the name of Jesus and the Cross, it almost looked like a pentecostal deliverance service.

see also Matt 13:58, 17: 20,Mark 9:24.

It is interesting that in my research i stumbled upon a Coptic Bishop in Egypt casting out demons publically, and however the site confirmed (on a popular video site) that majority where muslims, it didn't deny that some patients where Christians. experience taught me the same.
---andy3996 on 10/3/11


\\However i was very carefull to take my info from an orthodox site, just to make sure that i could say the above. (i knew you where going to refute what i said before posting) denial is indeed a good technique.\\

I wish the rules would allow you to post what site this was. There are various groups that call themselves "Orthodox" that have no historical or spiritual connection with the real Orthodox Church, which does not use this Roman prayer to St. Michael or novenas.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/1/11


Andy, your answers to Cluny might be right on the question of traditions, but I believe wrong on the question of spirit demons of certain kind. In Jesus days, as today there is many who are possessed by demons. All of them happened to unbelievers. One leaves and another comes in. But never to a genuine believers. That place belongs to the Lord. Many people have habits they need for God to break, habits they held all their lives, but all things are done in good time by God, and maybe if you die, you still have some left not taken care of but at death everything stops, and after, you receive a new body prepared for eternity.
---Mark_V. on 10/2/11


Cluny maybe not to your particular sect within the Orthodox Catholic Church (here sect is not used negatively, since everyone who adhers to any kind of doctrine is theologically divided in different sects) However i was very carefull to take my info from an orthodox site, just to make sure that i could say the above. (i knew you where going to refute what i said before posting) denial is indeed a good technique.

in what way is this related?
Idolatry is spiritual prostitution, the equivalent of adultery. one is done in the spirit and offends God the groom.
the other offends the partner.
---andy3996 on 10/1/11


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Donna, I have been in AA and OA for over 20 years. The 12 Steps are rooted in scripture. There is a Life Recovery Bible, which has devotions based on scriptures which are the foundation of each step. Alcoholics Anonymous is an off-shoot of the Oxford Movement, which was a Bible based program with 6 steps.

My sister has over 25 years without a drink. My sponsor has 22 years. I never completed all of the steps till this past year.

AA is about developing a relationship with God, confessing sin, making amends to those we harm, and helping others. It is the Spiritual change that helps people stay away from a drink.

One man I know has been sober 36 years.
---Trish on 9/30/11


\\a memorial candle is different then the novena candle with prayer.
example
"Great Archangel Michael Archangel, defend us in battle, be our defense against the wickedness and snares of the devil.\\

BTW, andy, what does this have to do with the original question?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/30/11


// see no intrinsic difference, though novenas (a nine-day period of prayer for a specific intention) and the prayer you quoted are both unknown to Orthodoxy.

I see no relationship here at all concerning the given topic of sexual addiction.

Is religious addiction similar to sexual addiction?
---lee1538 on 9/30/11


\\a memorial candle is different then the novena candle with prayer.
example
"Great Archangel Michael Archangel, defend us in battle, be our defense against the wickedness and snares of the devil.\\

I see no intrinsic difference, though novenas (a nine-day period of prayer for a specific intention) and the prayer you quoted are both unknown to Orthodoxy.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/30/11


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a memorial candle is different then the novena candle with prayer.
example
"Great Archangel Michael Archangel, defend us in battle, be our defense against the wickedness and snares of the devil.

May God rebuke our enemies, we humbly pray, and
do thou, O Prince of the heavenly host, by the power of
God, thrust into Hell the Adversary and all other evil
spirits who prowl about the world for the ruin of
souls.

Amen.
yet the BIBLE SAYS we should not do it. Col 2:18 Re 19:10 22:8,9
TRADITION OVERPOWERS GODS word, Mark 7:77 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men...
---andy3996 on 9/30/11


\\Cluny there is no ancient tradition where Jesus said you should burn candles to saints \\

Nowhere where He forbade it, either. (Not that Orthodox do this as you described.)

However, did you know that pious Jews light candles on the anniversary of the deaths of their loved ones and at the shrines of the holy people in the Bible?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/30/11


Cluny there is no ancient tradition where Jesus said you should burn candles to saints MORE GLORY FROM ME TO CHRIST
---andy3996 on 9/30/11


Cluny You are being down right hateful to me and there is no reason nor excuse for such behavior. I can only know for sure about something I tried myself which OEA I did. I didn't know first hand about AA or CDA I only know about my friends and not the organizaton itself,but could use common sense reasoning that it helped them in some way.
---Darlene_ on 9/29/11


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\\it's also a technique. i only find it regretable that someone maintaining the validity of tradition rejects something because it isn't found in the Bible.\\

andy, there is no ancient tradition that Jesus ever told the woman of John 8, the paralytics, or the lepers that they had demons.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/29/11


Sexual addiction is a demon of lust, probably clusters of demons
---Donna5535 on 9/27/11

Nearly every "Christian" I know who I confess to that I go to 12-Step meetings tells me that either I lack faith in God or that God can deliver me from the demons that torment me.

Want to know what I tell them?

I tell them that recovery is the best place to be. Recovery means I am able to deal with difficult situations with people, places, and things without feeling anxious, insecure, vengeful, or possibly hurting others. I got to this place in recivery by using the faith that God give us and by not pleading to God for deliverance. God has made me a person who can do all things by the 12-Step program.
---Mark_Eaton on 9/29/11


Cluny so instead of denying the need you'll just ignore it, it's also a technique. i only find it regretable that someone maintaining the validity of tradition rejects something because it isn't found in the Bible.
---andy3996 on 9/29/11


\\only look at jesus earthly ministry and the miracles he performed, one might not that a great number of Chris's mliracles where directly linked with deliverance.\\

Did Jesus tell the woman in John 8 that she needed a demon of lust cast out of her?

Or did He cast out demons of paralysis or leprosy?

No. But He DID tell them to go and sin no more.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/29/11


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well, sigarets aren't found in the bible, neither is heroine or speed, still people have dedicated entire ministres to this problem.

believe me there are demons and spirits beyond meajure, in cotradiction to the general belief of "modern days christianity" is so much based on psychologie instead of Spirituality.
only look at jesus earthly ministry and the miracles he performed, one might not that a great number of Chris's mliracles where directly linked with deliverance. i agree one should not exagerate, yet to exclude it alltoghether is just as dangerous.
---andy3996 on 9/29/11


Donna5535, I also agree with Strongaxe that those demons you mentioned are not in Scripture. I believe when people start blaming demons for what they themselves do, they don't want to take responsibility for their sin and blame someone else as Eve did when she blamed the serpent. And Able blaming her for giving the fruit to him. What's the saying? "The devil made me do it"
There is many demons out there, and and only one serpent. They tempt us, but they do not make a believer sin. People are responsible for their own sins. No demon makes anyone an alcoholic. Alcoholics made themselves alcoholics. Rapist make themselves rapist.
---Mark_V. on 9/29/11


\\Cluny, WHO has succeeded in the 12 step group? Certainly not Peter, not Paul, not John, right?\\

What addictions or self-destructive behaviors did Ss. Peter, Paul, and John have, Donna?

And how do you know? Who told you?

And how do you know your source was telling the truth?

One principle of 12-step groups is confidentiality--something that most Christian prayer groups do NOT practice.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/27/11


StrongAxe: I'll second that. We are all sinful, so not all sins are caused by an 'outside' demon.

Some we bring upon ourselves

thankx
---Marc on 9/27/11


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\\Cluny just for information,I don't know about anything but Overeaters Anonymous which I belonged to at one time....... Our dearest friend and his wife were in AA and CDA and it helped them.\\

Make up your mind. Do you know about no other groups than OA, or do you REALLY know about other groups such as AA and CDA?

You can't have it both ways.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/27/11


Here were are arguing about two words: addiction and lust.

It looks like people here have different meaning for these two words, and get heated up about them

Let's sit down and agree on what they mean, before discussing things
---Peter on 9/27/11


Cluny just for information,I don't know about anything but Overeaters Anonymous which I belonged to at one time. I found it far from helpful for a Christian,with people making plants and all kinds of odd objects as their Higher Power,that was disgusting,heartrending,and offensive all at the same time. When they decided to show a film about a woman and her process,which also had some sexual type content,I left and never wentr back,I felt it was against my Christian value system to watch it. For some people I know it is really a big help and works for them. Our dearest friend and his wife were in AA and CDA and it helped them.
---Darlene_1 on 9/27/11


lee1538:

I quoted what Paul wrote. You can derive whatever conclusion you want from him, without relying in any way on my own personal and imperfect opinions.

Donna5535:

It is a popular belief among many evangelicals that every sin under the sun is caused by this demon and that, but I have never found any mention in the Bible of this. There is no mention of a "demon of lust" or "demon of alcoholism", etc.

I am not saying that demons cannot lead one to sin. I am just disputing the idea that EVERY sin is caused by a demon. Men are capable of being corrupt all by themselves, without any outside help.
---StrongAxe on 9/27/11


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\\I know several who have.\\

In fairness to Donna, while I don't know anyone who is a member of SA or SAA, I do know people who have found help in other 12 step groups such as Overeaters Anonymous, Al-Anon, and Co-Dependents Anonymous.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/27/11


Ben, please read my post from 9/22.

You've got an addiction that you need to be delivered from.

I sought Jesus and prayed, "Lord set me free from the demons that bind me."

The Lord will hear your prayers and eventually he will either deliver you Himself or He will lead you to an anointed man of God who moves in the deliverance ministry.

Don't fool around with this addiction, it will torment you and drive you crazy and take you right to hell. Sexual addiction is a demon of lust, probably clusters of demons and they are having a good time at tormenting you with it...do you want them to win and take you to helL? I don't think so...please cry out to God and keep asking God for His help and to deliver you.
---Donna5535 on 9/27/11


ChristiaNet my opinion a good thing put this blogg! The problem wide spread be it visual,thoughts(constant) or in deed/actions.lust has no place in our lives.Wonderfull what Bill said also!God bless allLove of Jesus
---ELENA on 9/27/11


StrongAxe - so you conclude that it is ok to be lustful but only in the case of your own mate? Is not lust always listed as something sinful in Scripture?
---lee1538 on 9/27/11


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as you see Ben, most of us try to aproach this question theolocically, Elena, i did like your comment, and indeed it is nesecary for people to ghet deliverance, i did. in more then one way, i was naturally prone to addictions. by the time i was 12 i drank and smoked unbelievably. when i started to fight my addictionS, i found out that indeed i could keep away from these things for days, but really any small clue towards it made me to fall. thinking about that period in life i'll admit i was more flat on the floor then standing. and when i tought to stand i fell quickly again. i prayed and pleaded until i was totally void. but nothing helped...
---andy3996 on 9/27/11


lee1538:

Can one lust after ones own mate and be held guiltless?

Guilty of what? Certainly not adultery.

Paul addressed this issue specifically in 1 Corinthians 7:9
"But if they cannot contain, let them marry: for it is better to marry than to burn."

That is, if some people cannot restrain their lusts, they should get married, in order to provide a legitimate outlet for them.

When Jesus gave his ruling on divorce, his disciples said it was hard, and better not to marry at all. Jesus then said was only for those to whom it was given - i.e. celibacy is a good way to deal with sexual temptation, but not everyone is able to go that route.
---StrongAxe on 9/26/11


Cluny, WHO has succeeded in the 12 step group? Certainly not Peter, not Paul, not John, right? WHO? These 12 step programs are all man made and not executed by the Power of the Holy Spirit. WHO has succeeded at them?
---Donna5535 on 9/24/11

A couple of members of my parish before they were saved. Are you calling them liars?

In IC.XC.,
---Ignatius on 9/26/11


**///There are 12 step groups that deal with this issue.
---Cluny on 9/24/11///

Cluny, WHO has succeeded in the 12 step group? Certainly not Peter, not Paul, not John, right? WHO? These 12 step programs are all man made and not executed by the Power of the Holy Spirit. WHO has succeeded at them?**

I know several who have. Don't project your lack of knowledge of these things onto others.

Are you aware that 12 step groups developed from a Christian movement variously called the Oxford group (NOT the high-church Anglican Oxford movement) and Moral Rearmament?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/26/11


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Delivered from that addiction. However, now recognize the temptation that does come and walks away from it.
---Charlotte on 9/24/11


Can one lust after ones own mate and be held guiltless?
---lee1538 on 9/24/11


///There are 12 step groups that deal with this issue.
---Cluny on 9/24/11///

Cluny, WHO has succeeded in the 12 step group? Certainly not Peter, not Paul, not John, right? WHO? These 12 step programs are all man made and not executed by the Power of the Holy Spirit. WHO has succeeded at them?
---Donna5535 on 9/24/11


There are 12 step groups that deal with this issue.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/24/11


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Bill willa6989, Well said and very true! :-)
---Gordon on 9/23/11


ELENA, I'm so glad you experienced God's delivering power. It's hard to admit one has a demon, but if someone really wants to be free, they will admit it and then seek the Mighty Deliverer (Jesus) and He will deliver them.

I'm soooo glad you experienced God's Mighty Delivering Power in your life ELENA ((((huggss)))).
---Donna5535 on 9/23/11


hello,brother.. Let me tell you Bill,Donna,Scott,Andy... All telling it for true,been single longtime...The Lord deliver me as Sis.Donna5535.. Describe Demons must be cast out! struggled not daily,but,when I use to get depressed.. In short,I found a Deliverance ministry online and yes! I got into those prayers(demonmaster) got all kinds of prayers against demons & addictions,modified the prayers and cut out things that disturb my relationship with Jesus! peace,calm & concentration & God want obedience..Cast the demons out in the name of Jesus! Give scriptures...keep into the word of God The enemy cannot block you! nor stop you if you stay determine! God bless you.
---ELENA on 9/22/11


I would say we need character which makes us immune to Satanic effects that would have us seeking after sexual or other pleasures when it is not God's will.

And I would say that lust does not belong in marriage, but be filled with the Holy Spirit and discover how God has you relating in His love instead.

I find that God's love is so beautifully wonderful and so nicer and better for me, than sexual stuff coming along uninvited and not in God's love. So, in His power it is easy, and His love is so inviting to sweet and tender intimacy and not just attracting to a mirage satisfaction.
---Bill_willa6989 on 9/22/11


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When something has a hold of you and you don't have control over it, you can't stop doing it, it's usually a spirit/demon of lust.

You can 1) Command that demon of lust to come out of you in Jesus name. You may have to take authority over it DAILY until it leaves or 2) Have an anointed man of God who moves in the deliverance ministry cast it out of you. He will command it to come out in Jesus name. Demons know who has authority and who doesn't. "Jesus we know and Paul we know, but who are you?" is what the demon said to the man in the book of Acts.

Seek the Deliverer (Jesus) and He will provide the deliverance from sexual addiction that you need. It's usually a spirit of lust, otherwise referred to as a demon of lust.
---Donna5535 on 9/22/11


//an addiction is only when you want it twice or trice a day//

Not true. you can be sober for months but one mishap can send you back into that lifestyle.
---Scott1 on 9/22/11


Majority struggles one way or the other with sexuality.
some want it too much, others think ist is the dirtyest thing in the world. others again see it as a duty. all problems are as bad. if you really want to ghet free, ghet into the open with it do not hide.
some men have problems because their wife doesn't allow, some women use it as a tool of punnishment. women want love and hugs men want the deed.

an addiction is only when you want it twice or trice a day, and you'll fall in a coma if you didn't
---andy3996 on 9/22/11


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