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Can We Heal The Blind

When Jesus healed the blind man at the pool of Bethesda, He said, "Because I am the light of the world, you will NOT live in darkness." Does that mean when Jesus told us, "You are the light of the world," that we can do what He did? heal the blind, etc.? and HOW do we do this?

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"No faith = no salvation.

Your gospel is

no salvation = no faith

The exact OPPOSITE of what scripture teaches."

CraigA on 10/4/11

I agree with the observation of fact.
---Nana on 10/4/11


Im dissappointed, mark. YOu purposely misquoted scripture to prove your false belief.

--Also, in the next verse we read that all who believe are not condemned, but those that do not believe are condemned already. Why, because they were not part of the chosen elect--MarkV

That is NOT what scripture says.

18) He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, BECAUSE he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

No faith = no salvation.

Your gospel is

no salvation = no faith

The exact OPPOSITE of what scripture teaches.

Why do you resist the Holy Ghost and his words?
---CraigA on 10/4/11


Jed 2: Did you know:
"He doeth according to His will in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth: and no one can stay His hand" Dan. 4:35.markv//

MarkV, of coarse this is true. It has to do with end times and teh great tribulation period, and has nothing to do with the Gospel call to salvation of picking and choosing who will be saved and who won't.

We already know in the end GOD WINS!!! That's why we warn everyone of His Wrath to come. He has made a way to ESCAPE. Judgement is coming, and we warn of this Judgement.

REPENT! And Recieve Christ who will save you from His wrath to come!
---kathr4453 on 10/4/11


The Lord Jesus Christ is still the Preacher and Healer. If we let Him use us, He can heal the blind through or using us.
---Adetunji on 10/4/11


MarkV, it's not a matter of God not having power to do what he want's. I assure you I am stronger than my children and can physically force them to eat their vegetables if I want. That doesn't mean I'm gonig to cram vegetables down their throat. I simply tell them to eat their vegetables and if they don't obey they have consequences. In a similar way God has created us with our own will and ability to make the decision to love and serve him, or not to. God wants people who willingly love and serve him, not people that are forced to. God does not send anyone to hell, their refusal to accept his free way out of hell does that. If God is love, why would he create people that never had a chance of being saved?
---Jed on 10/4/11




Jed 2: Did you know:
"He doeth according to His will in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth: and no one can stay His hand" Dan. 4:35. The wisdom and power of God being infinite, the accomplishments of whatever He has purposed is absolutely guaranteed. It is no more possible for the Divine counsels to fail in their execution than it would be for a holy God to lie.
Then you said,
"but those that do not believe are condemned already. Why, because they were not part of the chosen elect"
No, because they are under Adam. They are already condemned. They need an act of God to save them. The Spirit brings life to those who are dead.
---Mark_V. on 10/4/11


michael_e, Yes, I more than understand the Gospel according to the MYSTERY, which is Christ in you, the hope of Glory. Again, this hope of GLORY as stated in Romans 8 is to be glorified together with Christ.

We, the Church, kept hidden, now revealed, (not Israel) are members of HIS BODY. And just as Christ suffered, so do we. We have been predestined to be conformed to His Image.

Calvinists stop short of chosen, predestined, elect and add their own definition.

Jacob renamed Israel wasn't chosen for salvation, but SERVICE. GOOD WORKS. And Paul uses this to explain to us it is about being HIS Ambassadors here on earth.


Was MarkV's son chosen too? Well, all Jacob's son's were.
---kathr4453 on 10/4/11


He has chosen us from the foundation of the world, unto good works. ---Mark_V. on 10/3/11

That's exactly what I just said MarkV...unto Good Works.

But since OT Saints cound not live in the Risen Christ, or have the Spirit of the Risen Christ in them, or identify with His death, NO, OT Saints were not saved BY GRACE.

They we saved by their faith in the COMING CHRIST, and did not have what we have today. No OT Saint was BORN AGAIN.

OT Prophesied about the promise of the SPIRIT, so if they were already Born Again of the Spirit, there would be no promise.

Hebrews 11:39 CLEARLY SAY they all died without receiving the PROMISE. That would be the indwelling Holy Spirit.
---kathr4453 on 10/4/11


Galatians 3:14
That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ, that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

Ephesians 1:13
In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

2 Timothy 1:1
Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, according to the promise of life which is in Christ Jesus,

Hebrews 11:39And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise: That would be the Holy Spirit.

---kathr4453 on 10/4/11


markv, I'm concerned with your comments here. The Great Commission.

Luke 16:15-16
Go ye into ALL the world and preach the Gospel to every creature.

Just who do you think you are to make such outlandish accusations and lies against God?
---James on 10/4/11




Jed, Do you believe God has the power to save who He wants? If you do, then you have the right God. Do you believe that man has power over God? If you don't then you have the right God. For if man can rule over God, then man is Sovereign and God is impotent and why call Him God?
You said:
"The Bible says that God so loved the world. The world means everbody, not just an elected few. Also, in the next verse we read that all who believe are not condemned, but those that do not believe are condemned already. Why, because they were not part of the chosen elect"
First, if God as you say loves the whole world, why are many going to hell? He has the power to save them. If He does not have that power, then He is not God.
---Mark_V. on 10/4/11


Quick question for all you hypercalvinists..

When satan rebelled against God in heaven, was it of his own free will, or did God make him do it?
---CraigA on 10/3/11


The Bible says that God so loved the world. The world means everbody, not just an elected few. Also, in the next verse we read that all who believe are not condemned, but those that do not believe are condemned already. Why, because they were not part of the chosen elect? No. Because light came into darkness but they loved darkness rather than light. 1 Timothy 2:4 states that God desires all men to know him and come into the knowledge of the truth, not just an elect.
---Jed on 10/3/11


MarkV, maybe this is why you are confused about the Gospel.


Mark 1:1
The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God,

1 Corinthians 4:15
For though ye have ten thousand instructers in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers: for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel.

2 Thessalonians 1:8
In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
---kathr4453 on 10/3/11


//Romans 16:25
Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel//
Kathr, it's good to see that you realize Paul had a gospel revealed to him
---michael_e on 10/3/11


Kathr, you have a problem with God not with me. It is God who said that He has chosen us from the foundation of the world, unto good works. But you don't want to believe that, and its ok. I cannot force you to believe in the Word of God, God has to reveal it to you. You do not want to understand that salvation went and still goes where God wants it to go. Of course there was others who witnessed at that time, yet they too were led by the Spirit to preach in certain areas. Every area that was missed no gospel came, no salvation came and many died without the gospel. In the Old Testament salvation was by grace, and the few that were saved was because God gave them faith to believe, the others rejected it, and died in their sins.
---Mark_V. on 10/3/11


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Kathr, first of all, you have to know the difference between The promise, which is Christ, and the gospel.markV///


Gee MarkV, you mean the Promise of salvation and the Gospel are two different things? Can Christ be separated from the Gospel of Jesus Christ? Well, not according to Scripture!

Romans 15:16
That I should be the minister of Jesus Christ to the Gentiles, ministering the gospel of God, that the offering up of the Gentiles might be acceptable, being sanctified by the Holy Ghost.

Romans 16:25
Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,
---kathr4453 on 10/3/11


Markv, I don't know what false gospel you believe in, but My faith is in the ONLY Gospel of Jesus Christ that INCLUDES the Promise!

Ephesians 1:13
In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

Ephesians 3:6
That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:
---kathr4453 on 10/3/11


When Paul took the gospel someplace, only those who heard the gospel with power were saved not by Paul but by God and he went where God sent him. markv///

MarkV, You are the one confused. I agree Paul never saved anyone, therefore, where the Gospel went, salvation followed.

And again, Paul was not the ONLY person preaching the Gospel.

Why is that so difficult for you to understand markv? Is you pride in the way of common sense?
---kathr4453 on 10/3/11


Kathr, the reason you are confused is that you just don't understand spiritual truth. It's simple.
You keep saying that I said something when I didn't. Paul never saved anyone, neither do I or you are anyone. The gospel Truth saves only if the word comes to them in the power of the Holy Spirit with Truth and repentance. When Paul took the gospel someplace, only those who heard the gospel with power were saved not by Paul but by God and he went where God sent him. All others did not receive the gospel of Christ, they were not saved. And even some who heard it did not get saved, because they had no faith, which is given by the Spirit at regeneration.
---Mark_V. on 10/3/11


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Michael_e of coarse Being Spiritually Baptized was something new. It came with the New Covenant. It was prophesied all through out the OT.

Are you saying Jesus never baptized you with the Holy Spirit and with Fire?

So you are saying you have never been born again or received the Holy Spirit correct?

So exactly how does Romans 6-8 work for you? Or was Paul writing that to Jews Only?
---kathr4453 on 10/3/11


//You don't really think Paul was the ONLY one preaching the Gospel do you? Now I know michael_e does.//
Kathr, where did I say that?
---michael_e on 10/3/11


kathr4453,
Your comments 10/3/2011 are most excellent.
---Nana on 10/3/11


MarkV, you obviously forgot that Barabas who was with Paul separated from Paul with John Mark and they went in another direction preching the Gospel. Did Thomas go to India? Peter to the Jews. Stephen, Philip Oh my. HOW MANY were in the upper room that day? Over 100. How many witnessed Jesus resurrection?Over 500. Now tell me really Markv, Does GOD SAVE or did Paul save?

You don't really think Paul was the ONLY one preaching the Gospel do you? Now I know michael_e does. You too?

Even Pracilla and Aquilla peached the Gospel.

And we have Revelation 1-3 as a witness, Asia had churches that NOT all are said Paul started in Asia. SONEOND DID!
---kathr4453 on 10/3/11


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MarkV, What I do find extremely peculiar TOO about your comment is that it goes completely opposite of your Calvin theology. You say God needs man to save, God actually needed Paul to save man, or else man could not be saved? THATS GREAT MARKV!!! Faith comes by HEARING, How Precious are the feet of thos who preach teh gospel

Man actually NEEDS to preach the Gospel that Christ died and rose again, ((witnessed by over 500, Jesus spent 10 days with and taught more, I Know they went and preached too.)).

Pentecost, how many heard in their own language and were saved, then WENT BACK to where they lived. You think they didn't preach the Gospel?



Do you think maybe Cornelius shared the Gospel after his salvation?
---kathr4453 on 10/3/11


//michael_e, OT mentions purification with water. SO the Idea of purification with water was not alian to Israel at all.//
// considering the fact that baptism is nowhere mentioned in the Old Testament?//
Kathr, which is it, was baptism something new or not?
---michael_e on 10/3/11


MarkV, the more I think about your statement the more questions I have. HOW DID YOU GET SAVED? Paul isn't even here. By your standards no one today or any day is saved without Paul's PERSONAL preaching.

OR did you HEAR the Gospel MarkV? You actually HEARD someone preach the Gospel Right...your neighbor wasn't it??? Your neighbor wasn't Paul was it? And remember on the day of Pentecost , there were no tracts passed out or Calvinism preached. JUST Jesus death and resurrection!, and other things directed at the Jews, and thousands were saved. NO PAUL THERE! No RCC there, No Calvin there, or Calvinism,no one boycotting with signs saying "NO CHOICE" and look how many were saved BY HEARING THE GOSPEL!
---kathr4453 on 10/3/11


Kathr, first of all, you have to know the difference between The promise, which is Christ, and the gospel. Second, have you not read
"That which is born of the flesh is flesh?" (John 3:6) And "That which is born of the Spirit is spirit?"
For "it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a free woman. But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh, But He of the free woman was by promise" ( Gal. 4:22,23).
They were born in the same society, called the same great patriarch "father" and sojourned in the same encampment with him yet, Ishmael was a stranger to the covenant, while Isaac was the heir of the promise.
---Mark_V. on 10/3/11


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Anf Trav, when Jesus comes, the second coming, THEN the NATION will be saved,....---kathr4453 on 9/30/11

Ms teacher/rabbiness, you said he never offered.

You tread where real men, Prophets of the OT were afraid to tread. You shout for all to hear....and have no verification.

Where is your Husband? He should be made aware.

Titus 2:5
To be discreet, chaste, keepers at home, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God be not blasphemed.

1 Peter 3:7
Likewise, ye husbands, dwell with them according to knowledge, giving honour unto the wife, as unto the weaker vessel, and as being heirs together of the grace of life, that your prayers be not hindered.
---Trav on 10/1/11


Kathr, you need to read and understand better to get it right. When Paul was commanded not to go to certain areas or cities, at that very time, the people from those cities did not receive the gospel, only the ones he was told to go to. That meant that the gospel did not go to everyone. The Holy Spirit guided Paul where to go and bring the good news. That's pretty simple to understand. Why not you? Oh, I know why.
---Mark_V. on 10/1/11


michael_e, OT mentions purification with water. SO the Idea of purification with water was not alian to Israel at all.

You wll see, if you study water is a very important and understood ingredient to Israel.

The parting of the red sea the crossing the jordan, Even the Great flood. We see too in Ezekeil 36, I will sprinkle clean water on you and cleanse you....

There were purification bathes taken before mariage etc.And even the Priests used water to cleanse and purify. Jesus was that ROCK where water came out, and so many more verses relating to water.

You'll just have to do some studying of OT to understand.
Even Paul had the first Christians in Corinth water baptized. He never preached against water baptism.
---kathr4453 on 10/1/11


Michael e, I believe Kathr is right in that John 3:10-17 is talking about spiritual rebirth. The only thing I disagree with her statement is when she said,
"After Jesus death and resurrection all who place their faith in Jesus Christ are born of the Spirit"
People place their faith in Jesus Christ because they are already born of the Spirit." not the other way around. For we believe in Jesus because we have been brought to spiritual life already. It is the Spirit who brings us alive to Christ, and gives us the faith to believe. People do not have the power to give themselves faith to believe in Christ Jesus. It comes from God as a gift through regeneration.
---Mark_V. on 10/2/11


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Michael_e, you asked me to explain John 3:10, and I did. It addresses the Spiritual Baptism or also what scripture calls being Born Again of the Spirit that you say does not belong to the Church.

Let's stay on track here. Those John Baptized did not receive Christ Crucified and risen/ and were not baptized in the Holy Spirit.

After Jesus death and resurrection all who place their faith in Jesus Christ are Born Again of the Spirit, and are baptized INTO CHRIST's death and resurrection life/ INTO HIS BODY called the Church.

This baptism as explained by Peter is not the washing away of the sin of the flesh,(John's Baptisn) but a good consciedce towards God BY THE RESURRECTION OF JESUS CHRIST.
---kathr4453 on 10/1/11


kathr4453
Of course I know Jn didn't baptise with the HS.
The question you apparently couldn't answer was, since you said baptism isn't mentioned in the OT, why weren't these Jews asking Jn what he was doing, if it was new? Instead they were checking his authority.
---michael_e on 9/30/11


Jn 1:25 And they asked him, and said unto him, Why baptizest thou then, if thou be not that Christ, nor Elias, neither that prophet?
---michael_e on 9/30/11
MICHAEL_E, John teh Baptist did not baptize in teh Holy Spirit. He said so, He said He who comes AFTER me will baptize you in the Holy Spirit and with Fire.

Anf Trav, when Jesus comes, the second coming, THEN the NATION will be saved, but that nation, even if it consists of only 1/3 left is still a nation. If only 10 are left, it will still be a Nation. Zech 12-14
---kathr4453 on 9/30/11


4. The Holy Spirit brings life, only to those He has mercy on.markV///


CAn you find a scripture where Jacob was given LIFE
,where YOU claim to be Jacob I loved Esau I hated receiving mercy?

God gives the Holy Spirit to those who OBEY, exactly what the Bible says. And you contradict yourself stating you were first given the Holy Spirit, and then saved, and THEN you begged for mercy? So did you receive the Holy Spirit AGAIN after begging for mercy?

You can't even be consistant and keep track of what's what!

Romans 9 says nothing about God giving Israel the Holy Spirit when He had mercy on them bring them out of Egypt. He mercy was based on the BLOOD put over the doors.
---kathr4453 on 9/30/11


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And God never offered A NATION salvation. If He offered Israel salvation, then no need for Jesus death and resurrection.
---kathr4453 on 9/30/11

Isaiah 45:17
But Israel shall be saved in the LORD with an everlasting salvation: ye shall not be ashamed nor confounded world without end.
Christ died fulfilling an unfullfillable (to/by man) promise to a put away wife.
Hosea 2:19
And I will betroth thee unto me for ever, yea, I will betroth thee unto me in righteousness, and in judgment, and in lovingkindness, and in mercies.

Hebrews 9:28
So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many, and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.
---Trav on 9/30/11


// considering the fact that baptism is nowhere mentioned in the Old Testament?//
The word baptism isn't mentioned in the OT.
But, notice these jews weren't wondering about what John was doing, only his authority to do so.
Jn 1:25 And they asked him, and said unto him, Why baptizest thou then, if thou be not that Christ, nor Elias, neither that prophet?
---michael_e on 9/30/11


1. from the beginning the gospel did not go to any other nation but to Israel. Millions went to hell.
markv////


MarkV, I don't have time for such silly talk. Abel was not ISRAEL, nor was Abraham. AND none of them were A NATION either.

Salvation was promised, and given long before Israel was even born out of Jacob or his descendents. Read Hebrews 11...exactly WHERE did salvation begin?


And God never offered A NATION salvation. If He offered Israel salvation, then no need for Jesus death and resurrection.

Israel was CHOSEN TO BE GOD'S servants/representatives on earth. Just as Jonah, an Israelite, was sent to Nineveh.
---kathr4453 on 9/30/11


3.....
markv///


You don't know that for a FACT do you. Unless you believe You are God, and sitting at His right hand taking notes and making enteries in the Lambs book of Life.

Yes I remember you saying because God didn't send Paul to Asia, that God wanted all of Asia to go to hell.

However others DID go to Asia, as Paul was not the only person preaching the Gospel. We see in the 7 Letters in Revelations that Asia was well established with Churches, of which even Paul established Ephesus.

Your straw-man analysis is grossly mistaken.

Luke only recorded Paul's journey, not ALL the Apostles journey's. They were not to go into others territories. God had a perfect plan for each one...not helter skelter!
---kathr4453 on 9/30/11


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michael_e, Jesus rebuked Nicodemus because he failed to recall and understand one of the key Old Testament passages pertaining to the New Covenant, Jeremiah 31:33.

Nicodemus should have been expecting this. Why would Jesus have rebuked Nicodemus for not understanding baptism considering the fact that baptism is nowhere mentioned in the Old Testament?

And again this promise of the Spirit came on the Gentiles as I showed yu in Galatians.

AND Nowhere is there any OT promise or scripture that this is some secret Born Again experience given to Calvin's elect before they are saved.
---kathr4453 on 9/30/11


Michael_e, you may believe the promise of the Spirit given in the New Covenant only belongs to Jews or Israel, however you may want to read 2 Cor 3, right out of Paul's lips written to the Corinthians...GENTILES.

Now we know things were HIDDEN now revealed, and those HIDDEN things were explained to Paul. Colossians 1. God never gave Paul something so new and different that no one could see if what he was saying was true or false. That would be like Joseph Smith...just taking one MAN's word for it?? No, it's all been REVEALED and backed up.
---kathr4453 on 9/30/11


Proberbs 1:22_23
Isaiah 30:1
Isaiah 1:16_17 Wash you, make you clean, put away the evil of your doings from before mine eyes, cease to do evil,
Learn to do well, seek judgment, relieve the oppressed, judge the fatherless, plead for the widow.
John 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth, the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
Isaiah 2:3 , and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.

Salvation or condemnation on account of what?
John 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
---Nana on 9/30/11


Kathr, you asked,
" please PROVE beyond a shaddow of a doubt salvation is not offered to everyone."
1. from the beginning the gospel did not go to any other nation but to Israel. Millions went to hell.
2. Satan and his angels are going to hell.
3. When the apostles were preaching the gospel, the Holy Spirit told them to void certian cities. Those people did not receive the gospel and died in their sins.
4. The Holy Spirit brings life, only to those He has mercy on.
5. Because God say's, "There is none righteous, no not one" There is none who understands, There is none who seeks after God" They need God to make them willing to seek after God. And He does not make everyone willing.
---Mark_V. on 9/30/11


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kathr4453
Then you probably could explain Jn 3:10, why should a master of Israel know these things?
---michael_e on 9/29/11


Israel could have, had they accepted Christ as their saviour and king. ---michael_e on 9/29/11

Michael, like myself you have been taught some things unsupported.
True...Judah did turn down Christ
Judah...jews do not equal all Israel. The Lost Sheep sons were the Nth House of Israel, divorced of GOD. Losing rights to their marriage name. Find them as Ethnos/Helenes/Nations
Divorcee Israel....the lost sheep in Matt 15:24 and everywhere else didn't turn him down. He wouldn't have gone too them otherwise.
Get these two parties verified in scripture, by scripture. Then the scripture starts coming alive....aligning Gen to Rev.

Don't take my word....start with Christs words and verify with the prophets.
---Trav on 9/29/11


michael_e, I do find it rather interesting that John 3:14-17 in your eyes only belongs to the Jews or Israel????, who are not the BOC, and MarkV says it only belongs to the Elect, who are now Gentiles calling themselves Jews who are the BOC.

Personally I believe it is addressed to SINNERS period, Jew and Gentile alike.

I'll let you both work on that together, and see what you work out.
---kathr4453 on 9/29/11


//MarkV please PROVE beyond a shaddow of a doubt salvation is not offered to everyone.

Judas Iscariot is probably one that was not offered salvation as he was destined as the one to betray Christ and have Him delivered to death on the Cross.
---lee1538 on 9/29/11


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kathr
1. //4 Gospels are NOT spoken to the Church or Gentiles, but to Jews Only.//
What BoC language do you see in in Christs' earthly ministry?
2. //Praying in name of Jesus//
I do that.
3. //only Jews can ask anything in Jesus name and receive it.//
Israel could have, had they accepted Christ as their saviour and king. You no doubt have tried it, tell me why it didn't work.
4//What was your comment about Israel? BOC?//
They are not the same.
5 // then both Jew and Gentile alike in the BOC are equally blessed.//
There is no jew or gentile in the BoC
---michael_e on 9/29/11


kathr.
//Michael_e, when will it ever sink in that it wasn't until AFTER the Jews rejected Jesus putting Him to death on a Cross that the Blessing came to the Gentiles.//
Look in a mirror, I know that, that is why I leave to Israel, what is Israels, the OT, four gospels, etc.
Our apostle says what was written then was for our learning (Rom 14:4)
---michael_e on 9/29/11


michael_e, I know markV does not remember that you feel the 4 Gospels are NOT spoken to the Church or Gentiles, but to Jews Only.

We also know in the OT no one prayed in Jesus Name. You should also know that during the 1000 year reign when Jesus is on earth, no one will be praying to the Father in Jeusus name either. So what you are saying then is Only Jews today who are part of that OTHER Church pray in Jesus name and only Jews can ask anything in Jesus name and receive it.

Is this what you are saying?

What was your comment about Israel? BOC? in reference to?


If all families of the earth are to be blessed through Jesus death and resurrection, then both Jew and Gentile alike in the BOC are equally blessed.
---kathr4453 on 9/28/11


Did He break a promise,or was that scripture addressed to the nation of Israel? apply to the BoC
---michael_e on 9/27/11

Here, although you ask a question, you are implying that promise does not apply to the Body of Christ., which in your definition is Gentiles only. No one ever before the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ asked in HIS NAME. Don't you pray in Jesus Name? You say only Israel prays in Jesus Name? Or only to Israel are promises kept?
---kathr4453 on 9/28/11


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Micheal e, you asked a good question to Kathr, and first she said:"Israel has nothing to do with it."
Then you asked the question by saying that Jesus talked to Israel when He spoke those words of praying.
Now Kathr contradicts herself and says,
"These same promises were given to ABRAHAM concerning all families of the earth"
First they were not, now they are. What's up with that?
I hear Eloy doing the same "U" when he speaks. He says, God is Sovereign and does as He pleases, then turns around and say's no, man can do what he wants and leave God. God sovereing one minute, then a God who is impotent the other minute. Double talk.
---Mark_V. on 9/28/11


Michael_e, when will it ever sink in that it wasn't until AFTER the Jews rejected Jesus putting Him to death on a Cross that the Blessing came to the Gentiles.


Paul explains this in Galatians. Is this really so hard to understand.

These same promises were given to ABRAHAM concerning all families of the earth. When Abraham offered Isaac upon an alter, THAT foreshaddowed Christ's death and resurrection.
---kathr4453 on 9/28/11


//Israel has nothing to do with it//
Kath4453, Israel had a lot to do with it, during Christs' earthly ministry, He was speaking to Israel, except for a couple of occasions.
---michael_e on 9/27/11


michael_e, I believe the whole Idea of praying in Jesus Name is a totally NEW Teatament Today CHURCH Thing. Israel has nothing to do with it.

Jesus is saying, no one can come to teh Father except by me, that includes our prayer life as well.

If we abide in Him, we will not be praying for fleshly things, but we will know His Will and pray according to His Will. That's teh awesome thing about abiding in Him....we learn the mind of Christ, and abiding is in the Spirit as well, who interceeds for us.
---kathr4453 on 9/27/11


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/"If you ask anything in my name, it shall be done."//

What if we abide in Him and his words are abiding in us, and we ask for all our family to be saved, and it doesn't happen.
Did He break a promise,or was that scripture addressed to the nation of Israel? apply to the BoC
---michael_e on 9/27/11


The Holy Spirit brought to rememberance this scripture as I was praying: "If you abide in me, and my words abide in you, ask whatever you wish, and it shall be done."

"If you ask anything in my name, it shall be done."

The key is 1) Are we abiding in Him and 2) are his words abiding in us, becomming the living word inside of us....and another thing.

Jesus said, "He who comes to me will never thirst, and never hunger." You shall want for nothing...no good things does he with hold from those who walk uprightly.
---Donna5535 on 9/26/11


MarkV is correct, whe Jesus said "I am the light of the world. Whoever follows me will never walk in darkness, but will have the light of life" it was when he saved the adulteress woman from the pharisees that were going to stone her. He said this right after he had told the woman "go and sin nomore".
---Jed on 9/24/11


Donna5535, there is many things that God will answer, and many thing He won't. What is important is that it is God's will. And that never changes for anyone. He knows the time we are born and the time we will die. That never changes. If we see a miracle happen, it is because God did not want that person to die yet. We as Christians are called to pray and ask God's will. That is because He wants us dependent on Him, and praying brings Christians together with a purpose. There is no restoring of limbs, or people rising from the dead unless God had already planned that before hand. But we do get many answered prayers, I am witness to that myself. Not because I requested it, but because God in His Sovereign knowledge had prepared it beforehand.
---Mark_V. on 9/25/11


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Donna5535 2: I'm speaking from God's point of view not man's. Lets say others are right and they bring someone back from the dead, and that person later kills four people God wanted to use for witnessing. That would mean that man has control of destiney, not God. And God would have to keep changing his plan every time man changed it by his actions. The future of mankind would be in the hands of man and the devil and not God. Now, as I said, He does answer many prayers. I have seen money come to people when they were in their greatest need, jobs come to many who pray, many children come to Christ, but all that was already prepared by God. Yet as humans we don't know. So we depend on God's will.
---Mark_V. on 9/25/11


2 Corinthians 4:4
In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lestUNLESS the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.


Donna, we need to preach the GLORIOUS Gospel of Christ.

Psalm 119:130
The entrance of thy words giveth light, it giveth understanding unto the simple.

Isaiah 9:2
The people that walked in darkness have seen a great light: they that dwell in the land of the shadow of death, upon them hath the light shined.
---kathr4453 on 9/25/11


Donna5535, I couldn't find one passages saying a blind man at the pool of Bethesda, where Jesus said "I am the light of the world, you will not live in darkness"
We are the light of the world because we bring the light of Scripture to the lost who are in darkness. Light comes into darkness. Darkness love darkness. But has nothing to do with bringing physical sight.
We are light to those who see us.
Concerning Mark 16:17,18 These signs were promised to the apostolic community (Matt. 10:1: 2 Cor. 12:12) not all believers in all ages (1 Cor. 12:29,30) All with the exception of drinking poison were experienced by some in the apostolic church and reported in Scripture (Acts 28:5), but not afterward (v. 20).
---Mark_V. on 9/24/11


Bill_willa6989, great posts!
"But which is greater . . . to physically heal a blind person, in God's almighty power, or to be changed by His almighty power into how Jesus is so that "as He is, so are we in this world"? (in 1 John 4:17)

Which do we seek first (c: (Matthew 6:33)?" Amen
---Chria9396 on 9/24/11


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What can be "greater works" than that of preaching the Gospel of Jesus Christ and a soul is saved? Well, far "greater" than seeking for "miracles" to glorify oneself. In this time and day, a Christian live by faith and not by the things seen.
---christan on 9/23/11


Darlene, Bill and Bruce, thank you for unlocking this truth to me. I always thought "they shall lay hands on the sick and they shall recover" and that pertained to ALL Christians.

Darlene's response makes alof of sense and so does Bruce's and Bill's. Thank you for your input on this...it really helps me alot to understand what Jesus meant by GREATER things you shall do...so thank you all!
---Donna5535 on 9/23/11


Well, if you are focusing on yourself and what you can do with God, you can miss what is really going on. In Jesus, we're all "members of one another" (Romans 12:5, Ephesians 4:25), all together in prayer. Your prayer can be contributing to whenever and wherever Jesus is healing a blind person.

By obeying, we get results whatever God wants. Abraham obeyed God > "'In your seed all the nations of the earth shall be blessed, because you have obeyed My voice.'" (Genesis 22:18)

So, I wouldn't limit my attention to outward signs and miracles, but my attention first needs to be to God and obeying how He rules me in His peace (Colossians 3:15) and find out what He really wants.
---Bill_willa6989 on 9/23/11


allegorically speaking we can help the blind see and awaken sleepwalker's ( resurrect the dead ) also...
---kevin5443 on 9/22/11


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Donna5535 you don't have to have a gift of miracles to raise the dead or heal the sick because it isn't you who does it anyway. All you have to have is a right relationship with God,lining up with the Word and faith to believe God will do those things when you pray. I would think a gift of miracles is needed if a person has a ministry of miracles but we are all called to pray ye for one another. I saw my little faith living Mama pray for a dead man and he started breathing again and was living,I and a friend prayed for a man dieing with cancer and he was healed but we didn't do anything ourselves but believe God will perform his Word. I am the God that healeth thee,I am thy healer. The key get as close to God as possible.
---Darlene_1 on 9/22/11


Can we do what He did? No, and we don't know anyone that can do what He did. There was more to His signs and wonders program than just compassion.
---michael_e on 9/22/11


Yes . . . Jesus always did exactly what His Father had Him doing, in our Father's power almighty. And so, He was always acting in almighty power. If we obey how God in His almighty power shares with us and personally guides us "continually" (Isaiah 11:58) in His own peace with almighty power (Colossians 3:15), we also will enjoy His almighty results.

But which is greater . . . to physically heal a blind person, in God's almighty power, or to be changed by His almighty power into how Jesus is so that "as He is, so are we in this world"? (in 1 John 4:17)

Which do we seek first (c: (Matthew 6:33)?
---Bill_willa6989 on 9/22/11


John 14:12, "Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also, and greater works than these shall he do, because I go unto my Father."

Mark 16:17-18, "And these signs shall follow them that believe, In my name shall they cast out devils, they shall speak with new tongues, They shall take up serpents, and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them, they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover."

cf. Acts 3
---Bruce5656 on 9/22/11


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I last heard that Benny Hinn is recruiting such people. Care to apply and tell him how you can heal the blind, like Jesus and His apostles did? I'm sure he'll put you as CEO of his organization.
---christan on 9/22/11


No so fast Scott..lol.

I thought so too but I'm beginning to believe you have to have the GIFT of healing in order to heal, the GIFT of miracles in order to raise someone from the dead.

I'm not so sure Jesus was referring to healing the blind when he said GREATER things you shall do...what can be GREATER than opening a blind man's eyes and raising someone from the dead? Was Jesus REALLY referring to this when he said GREATER THINGS?
---Donna5535 on 9/22/11


Yes, the power of the Holy Spirit the same spirit that Jesus had to do all of his miracles is in us and we will do greaters things than these John 14:11-13.
---Scott1 on 9/22/11


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