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Do You Know The Bible

How much of the Bible do you REALLY know? How often do you STUDY it verses read it? How long does it take for the Holy Spirit to bring to your remembrance the scriptures that you put inside yourself?

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Or do you just have a problem with getting along with those who are more educated and knowledgeable than you are?
---lee1538 on 10/7/11

lee1538, you obviously have a problem with PRIDE and arrogance believing yourself to be more educated and intelligent than othrs.

However God chooses the base to bring to nothing those who think more highly of themselves than they ought.

And just as teh SDA think so highly of Ellen White, you fail to see the white elephant in your own pocket named John Calvin.

Exactly how does John pass the test of the doctrine of man and not Ellen? It's HYPOCRISY!
---kathr4453 on 10/7/11


Lee of many names (just how many are there?) you are a snide and unpleasant fellow.

As I explained my answer was humour, (check the dictionary meaning) a quote from Groucho Marx! It was a retort to a man who was trying to put him down, quite apt don't you think?

Lighten up and be content, as others, with but one name.
---Warwick on 10/7/11


Lee, I actually seek out the company of those more learned than I. I have found that helps me learn. I married one of them.

A man as learned as you surely knows Scripture says we shouldn't compare ourselves with others!
---Warwick on 10/7/11


Warlick//you all say I sleep with Adventists? I resemble that remark!

Obviously English is a secondary language to you as you do have problems with what you are trying to say. You should use the English dictionary more often.

resemble that remark = be like somebody or something: to be similar to somebody or something in appearance or behavior so you are saying you are like the remark?

Bedfellow = associate: somebody or something paired or allied with another person or thing

Since you claimed to have spoken in several Adventists church, you must have much in common with them in your views.

Or do you just have a problem with getting along with those who are more educated and knowledgeable than you are?
---lee1538 on 10/7/11


Markv, you ADD to scripture what's not said. Please show scripture that God has to change a person's heart FIRST before one can believe.

It's only through Faith and belief that one's heart is changed.

God doesn't FIRST put a new heart in you to cause you to walk in His statutes, and THEN you believe and are saved.

The New Heart is a GIFT given upon receiving Jesus Christ. Our Heart AKA Conscience has been PURGED and cleansed by the Blood of Jesus Christ.

God does not purge and cleanse any heart before being Justified by Faith.

Abraham FIRST believed God and THEN because of His belief he was Justified.

We are Justified by His Blood, and saved by His Risen Life.
---kathr4453 on 10/7/11




Katr54453 //This is why Calvinism is a lie.

obvious you really do not know what Calvinism is. Suggest you do the research before you post.

from Answers com =Calvinism, the creed of Jean Calvin (1509-64), was largely as formulated in his Institutes, published 1536. Calvin was greatly influenced by St Augustine in inferring predestination from divine foreknowledge, and he therefore presumed that the elect, chosen for salvation, were known to God from before the creation. Free will was an illusion. Church organization followed from that basic premiss, that the chosen of God-the elect-should share government with the ministers.

If you have never read Calvin's Institutes then you really know nothing of his theological position.
---lee1538 on 10/7/11


We have the most wonderful promise in Genesis 3:15. The Promise of a redeemer. Did God keep this a secret? NO! Does Genesis begin with God stating He first CHANGED Abel's heart to believe and obey? Does any of Hebrews 11 even remotely suggest God FIRST changed anyone's heart to Believe, withholding from others?

ABSOLUTELY NOT!!!
---kathr4453 on 10/7/11


"Man's FREE WILL has rejected the things God has CLEARLY manifest to man."
---kathr4453 on 10/7/11
Yes, good proof those Romans 1 verses which also validate our Lord's words when He quoted the prophets:
John 6:45 "It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me."

"God has to change the heart first in order for you to believe."
Mark V.
No,
Romans 10:17 "So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God."
Even,
Who come to Christ? Good people... Luke 8:15, John 3:20_21.
---Nana on 10/7/11


Eloy,
I have a most pertinent question: If we can gain our salvation by works what was the purpose of Jesus atoning sacrifice upon the cross?
You must answer this question if you are to be taken seriously.
---Warwick on 9/30/11

Eloy...Mr. Arrogant's condescending evasion is to post questions he won't/can't address himself.

Christ is scripturally specific....as are the Prophets. Except to the fearful, scripturally evasive, self proclaimed preachers of today.
Matthew 15:24
But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Ezekiel 16:60
Nevertheless I will remember my covenant with thee in the days of thy youth, I will establish unto thee an everlasting covenant.
---Trav on 10/7/11


Pedant "I resemble that remark" was, I believe, said by Groucho Marx, as a rebuttal to an attempted put down of him, by another.

I meant it as a joke.
---Warwick on 10/7/11




This is why Calvinism is a lie.

The same yesterday, today and tomorrow!...right?

18For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness,

19Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them, for God hath shewed it unto them.

20For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse:

Man's FREE WILL has rejected the things God has CLEARLY manifest to man.
---kathr4453 on 10/7/11


Kathr, while you are right that we believe with our hearts, you forgot that God has to change the heart first in order for you to believe. If you believe out of your own free will as you say, then your salvation is by your own works. The Seg is correct, all good things come from above.
Even the Bible comes from God. Without God you can do nothing.
what you keep suggesting because of what you believe is that God is wrong and you are right, that you can do anything you want without God. Yes, you can do anything while you are lost, but you can never create the love of Christ in your heart. And you cannot give yourself life, while dead in sin, and you cannot give yourself sight to see or ears to hear without God.
---Mark_V. on 10/7/11


Let's all remember Hellen Keller, deaf, dumb and blind, yet learned too communicate reading braile, and signing, and she was saved.

This conversation is really silly.

The same FAITH we are saved by is the Exact faith we are sanctified by. Believing God's word, regardless of how this information comes into our conscious mind and HEART.

We believe with our HEART folks, Romans 8.

Do you have a hearing heart? I do, and to say my heart literally has ears is foolish.

If you BELIEVE with your HEART/ in your HEART God raised Christ from the dead, thou shall be saved!
---kathr4453 on 10/6/11


does pat robertson's comment about divorcing your spouse with alzheimer's mean he is filled with the holy spirit?
he give plenty of emphasis in malachi & money
---mike on 10/6/11


warwick, I once knew a person who said to his wife..."don't jackonize me". He meant to say "don't jeopardize me". Still don't know what he meant by either one of them. LOL, just kidding
---shira4368 on 10/6/11


"resemble"

???
---pedant on 10/6/11


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I have no problem understanding the power of preaching, having preached c600 times in a number of countries.
---Warwick on 10/5/11

Preached "c". 600 times.
C?
You perceive to power up your image boasting the vague? Ur past testimoney, from Ndy. beach, to socialist french vacations slant to blowing up your own rubber ducky.
Attesting from ur posts,that you avoided some pertinent Gospel 600 times. You preached ur version of "C".

Isa 49:6
He said, It is a light thing that thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, to restore the preserved of Israel: I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth.
---Trav on 10/6/11


Lee, leeonia, Leej et al, you all say I sleep with Adventists? I resemble that remark!
---Warwick on 10/6/11


It's apparent that this debate cannot be won using worldly undestanding. Just simply, and actively, apply what Christ has taught and you can't go wrong and that is through love. Then you go out into the world and preach about the gospel - the Kingdom of God which has been taught since the beginning.
---Steveng on 10/5/11


for me scripture after all these years,nearly 40 now has become a state of mind,every thought,every decision,and even more important every spoken word is in check with what God word says.tempted at times,of course,the flesh always attempts to get its foot in the door of my mind.
---tom2 on 10/5/11


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Mat_10:20 For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you.//

The Seg, Praise God when we are persecuteed or put in prision for THE Gospel's sake, that we don't need to worry about what to say. Isn't that an awesome promise! I LOVE THAT VERSE.

But as we are given GIFTS of the Spirit, one being the gift of an evangelist, ( ePHESIANS 4) that would be to actually preach the Gospl to the LOST, as the saved don't need evangelising.

And we do know all gifts are in the power of the Holy Spirit.

How precious are the feet of those who bring the Gospel OF PEACE to the lost.
---kathr4453 on 10/5/11


Joh_13:36 Simon Peter said unto him, Lord, whither goest thou? Jesus answered him, Whither I go, thou canst not follow me now, but thou shalt follow me afterwards.

Joh_16:7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth, It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you, but if I depart, I will send him unto you.


Act_8:29 Then the Spirit said unto Philip, Go near, and join thyself to this chariot.
Mat_10:20 For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you.

Maybe it just hard to see, what it is we saying.
Anyway Im so glad he added this:
Joh_12:47, Joh 12:48!

The same words!
Peace
---TheSeg on 10/5/11


//Tell you what, it's fine if you call me a liar ...

Calling a person a liar just because they have a different viewpoint is something that is unjustified.

Warwick and his bedfellows, the Adventists seem to use the word much.

But I sometimes doubt if either of them really know the Scripture or even its Author.

But in religion, the blind often lead the blind and both will fall into the pit some day unless they repent.
---lee1538 on 10/5/11


Christan, unfortunately you are so far off from any point I was trying to make that it is in some bizarre way almost sadly hilarious. I cant even defend myself because every time I open my mouth I receive a reply that is so diametrically opposed to any thought that I could have squeezed out of my gray matter called a brain that I feel like I have stepped into the twilight zone.
You be blessed brother and I will make sure to be very careful in future communications with you, for your insightfulness is truly astounding on some kind of eerie level.
In His loving grip, Adieu
---Poppa_Bear on 10/5/11


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I would suggest that we all know VERY little.

If we only look at the KJV without the Apocryphal books, the statistics are daunting.

66 Books, 1189 chapters, 31,102 verses, and 783,137 words.
---Mark_Eaton on 10/5/11


Christian, the various forms of sign language are visual symbols, exactly like pen strokes on paper. Therefore in your definition deaf people cannot hear the gospel via your narrow definition of what Paul said.

I have no problem understanding the power of preaching, having preached c600 times in a number of countries. But like any preacher I know I did not get my knowledge of the Bible just from listening to preachers but by Bible study.

Colossians 3:16 "Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly as you teach and admonish one another with all wisdom, and as you sing psalms, hymns and spiritual songs with gratitude in your hearts to God."

What is the ultimate source of "the word of Christ", the Bible.
---Warwick on 10/5/11


\\Did you receive your faith by reading or hearing?\\

As the NT says elsewhere, faith is a gift.

To say it is received by either hearing or reading is to move faith to a work.

Glory to Jesus Christ.
---Cluny on 10/5/11


"Understanding by sign languare is no more hearing than is reading! - Warwick"

When people communicate, one has to "talk" and the others "listen". When a deaf and dumb communicate, they use the sign language. To read, one has to be educated and similarly to write.

You seem to have a hard time believing in Paul's testimony. Tell you what, it's fine if you call me a liar or even Paul, but the minute you imply what Paul is saying is untrue and challenge it, guess what, you're challenging God!

For your benefit again, this is what Scripture says, "So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God." Romans 10:17. Did you receive your faith by reading or hearing?
---christan on 10/5/11


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Poppa Bear, I have no problem with you being harsh to me or anyone, if we have erred in our communication. You said what you said with the intent of looking down at John just because he was a fisherman and not a "scholar". You are implying that for someone to understand and belief in the Scripture, they must be of higher education.

But alas, God declared, "Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools". You rather look at the credential of the man than exalt the Holy Spirit. That was the real concept of your post on 10/3/2011.

Please don't hide behind "the native English" veil and use that to say that I misunderstood what you wrote. Your intent was as clear as crystal.
---christan on 10/5/11


Acts 8:30And Philip ran thither to him, and heard him read the prophet Esaias, and said, Understandest thou what thou readest?

And he said, How can I, except some man should guide me? And he desired Philip that he would come up and sit with him.

32The place of the scripture which he read was this, He was led as a sheep to the slaughter,----- In his humiliation his judgment was taken away: and who shall declare his generation? for his life is taken from the earth.

34And the eunuch answered Philip, and said, I pray thee, of whom speaketh the prophet this? of himself, or of some other man?

35Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus.
---kathr4453 on 10/5/11


Isaiah 55:6
Seek ye the LORD while he may be found, call ye upon him while he is near:

Mark 1:37-38

They found Jesus and said, "All the people are looking for you!" Jesus answered, "We should go to another place. We can go to other towns around here. Then I can tell people {God's message} in those places also. That is why I came."

Luke 2:45
And when they found him not, they turned back again to Jerusalem, seeking him.


The Seg, I disagree. We have several scriptures telling man to seek God while He may be found.

We have accounts of the Three Wise men and so many more.

Let's learn to BALANCE Scripture, AKA God's Truth/Word who cannot lie.
---kathr4453 on 10/5/11


Christan, I dont want to come off harsh, but my next line from the same post was I thought he was simply an Apostle, a disciple of the Master obeying the great commission. What part of that is different than what you are saying? Is there another reason youre challenging me? Are you saying John should be exulted higher than an Apostle or something? Are you a native English speaker? I know that everyone on this board is not and it can make it hard for some to understand English phrases. For the first part that you pasted, that was also true, but how do they contradict or undermined Johns person as an Apostle.
70x7
---Poppa_Bear on 10/5/11


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Warwick, no one here is saying not to read the Bible. In fact every believer should read it from beginning to end, this way they can know who saved them, how they were saved, and what they should do now that they are saved. No unbeliever will understand what it really means to us. It is the way God speaks to us. It teaches us how to live the Christian life. But it is God who saves, it is God who gives faith to believe in Scripture, and it is God who gives us the reasons why we should follow His way. And until we die He will continue to reveal His Word to us each and every day. We can also use it to fight against others who bring false doctrines and attack His Diety.
---Mark_V. on 10/5/11


Luk 16:28 For I have five brethren,
Luk 16:29 Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets
Luk 16:30 they will repent.

Luk 16:31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead. (Himself)

Luk 24:25 all that the prophets have spoken!
Luk 24:26
Luk 24:27 he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.
Im not saying dont read it. Just your faith is given by God. Not the book.
Its helpful but without the Spirit. Well, you tell me!

Heb 10:7 Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of "the book" it is written of me,)
All about Christ!

Love you
---TheSeg on 10/5/11


kathr4453, I do love you, but listen.
I really just like being clear.

Didnt he tell you all good thing come from God?
In fact everything comes from God, even the bible.
From the beginning, man has never looked for God. Christ said as much.
You think this has change? You think people look for God?
I hear people say, I know God, I have God, I see God.
I call them liars.

kathr4453, everything will be put under Christ!

Joh_21:25 And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen.

Look to what this is saying!
God Bless
---TheSeg on 10/5/11


From Genesis to Revelation is all about Jesus Christ, it's all about God's plan of salvation for man.
---kathr4453 on 10/5/11


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Warwick, the only way a person can understand, and believe the Bible is by the Holy Spirit. For "None is righteous, no not one, no one understands, no one seeks for God. All have turned aside, together they have gone wrong, no one does good, not even one" (Rom. 3:9-12).
Everyone. From beginning to end it is all of God. The ability to seek God, to do something good that gives glory to God, and the ability to understand Scripture comes from the Spirit. If this does not happen, a person could read the Bible all they want and never understand spiritual truth. Deaf people don't have to read to go to heaven.
Of course the Bible is important to learn and know the things of God, to the believer. Athiest use it to make fun of God.
---Mark_V. on 10/5/11


Because, if we say the bible is the word of God, well then, the bible is God.
I am not trying to put down the bible.
But, isnt it better to say the bible is the written of God!
Peace
---TheSeg on 10/5/11
Jesus said MY WORDS are Spirit and LIFE. Those WORDS are recorded in Scripture. Everything God said to Man is recorded in Scripture. The Law, the Prophets, the Gospel, God's coming wrath and judgement, HIS PROMISES are His WORD, all written down and recorded for man.

God speaks to us today just as much as He spoke to those in the beginning. He gave us the Beginning ...Genesis and the end, Revelation.
---kathr4453 on 10/5/11


Christian even if sign language existed in the time of Christ you still make no sense.

Understanding by sign languare is no more hearing than is reading!
---Warwick on 10/5/11


Seq, Christian says that faith comes by hearing the word of God. He wrote "Paul didn't say, "reading, and reading by the word of God."

What do you think Christian means by this?

Romans 15:4 "For everything that was written in the past was written to teach us, so that through endurance and the encouragement of the Scriptures we might have hope."

Sounds like we should read "everything" to me.
---Warwick on 10/5/11


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"Using your own example this means the deaf cannot gain faith, as they cannot hear! What nonsense." Warwick

"The blind receive their sight, and the lame walk, the lepers are cleansed, and the deaf hear, the dead are raised up, and the poor have the gospel preached to them." Matthew 11:5

And this all happened after "the gospel was preached", confirming Paul's declaration, "So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God." Romans 10:17.

Isn't sign language or reading of the lips a form of hearing for the deaf and dumb? You underestimate the power of the Holy Spirit and rather rely on your foolish understanding. Still nonsense to you?
---christan on 10/5/11


Poppa Bear, this were you very words published on 10/3/2011 -

"I wonder if John who was an x-fisherman and hardly a scholar with the most simplistic writing style in the NT knew what kind of formal clergy oversight he had over them?"

I understand from your very words that the Gospel of John when written, was not by the guidance of the Holy Spirit simply because you say that John was"hardly a scholar". And so what if John was a fisherman before he was anointed an apostle of Jesus Christ? You judge the man from the outside but John was full of the Holy Spirit. Or he would not have written the Gospel, Epistle and Revelation.
---christan on 10/5/11


Without the bible, who would know God?
Steveng on 10/4/11

Doesnt the bible itself say?
Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God?

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Will we then teach the bible is God?
Joh 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Because, if we say the bible is the word of God, well then, the bible is God.
I am not trying to put down the bible.
But, isnt it better to say the bible is the written of God!
Peace
---TheSeg on 10/5/11


Warwick
I wonder if those who say we should not read all of His word say this because they are not disciplined enough to do so!

Just where did anyone say we should not?

Do you think what you have, was not given to you by God?
For who maketh thee to differ from another? and what hast thou that thou didst not receive? now if thou didst receive it, why dost thou glory, as if thou hadst not received it?

And "faith comes by hearing" does God talk to your ears or your heart?
And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.

Im not defending anyone.
---TheSeg on 10/5/11


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Mark, on 1/10/11 Christian wrote "Reading the Holy Bible from cover to cover is not going to save anyone." I disagree

I have read of people who have been challenged to read the whole Bible, which has lead to their conversion.

Further, Christians who do so come to a more intimate understanding of God and His word, gaining knowledge and confidence to comply with 1 Peter 3:15. And better able to contend with God-haters who say the Bible says this or that, has this or that error. Most Christians cannot give good 'reasons' for why they are Christian and cannot contend with the enemies of the Gospel.

I wonder if those who say we should not read all of His word say this because they are not disciplined enough to do so!
---Warwick on 10/4/11


Christian you wrote "Once again, "faith comes by hearing", according to Scripture."

Using your own example this means the deaf cannot gain faith, as they cannot hear!

What nonsense.
---Warwick on 10/4/11


Without the bible, who would know God?
---Steveng on 10/4/11


Should we build a tabernacle for the bible, because its the written word of God?
I say this because I didnt turn to God because of the bible.
Or even because of a man. So, to me it is a book. Be it, a Holy Book.

I turned to God, because of God and because of what I saw and heard.
I read the bible after I believed. It only confirmed what was said.
So its not the bible, I put before me or you. Be it the word of God.
It is God!

Christ was with them for a time. But it wasnt until the spirit came.
I hope you see there this is going. It is your God given right to understand.
Peace
---TheSeg on 10/4/11


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Btw Warwick, when a Christian searches the Scriptures, it's because he/she has received faith from God through the regeneration of his/her spirit. Like MarkV rightly said, it's the consequence of him already saved and not looking to be saved.
---christan on 10/4/11


Christan, you said in regards to my post, You accuse the apostle that his writing is not guided by the Spirit Where did you get that interpretation from in anything I wrote? Can you pleas re-paste my words and perhaps summerise the context that you thought I was speaking in? Perhaps you miss read, or something. I said he was an Apostle, that in itself provides his authority to write God breathed scripture. He was moved by Holy inspiration and revelation as He penned his letters/Gospel/revelation. I am not sure what part of my post your smoking gun is aimed at, but pleas elaborate, I am completely and thoroughly filled with good natured curiosity.
In His loving grip 70x7
---Poppa_Bear on 10/4/11


Warwick, your use of Scriptures to justify your understanding is really foolishness to what we are discussing. Are you saying those who cannot read or write are going to hell?

What I do not deny is that those God has blessed with education, like the Bereans, will refer and check the Scriptures, just like you and I. Some will use the Scripture according to context and others to speak foolishness.

Matthew 19:4 has exposed your heart for Jesus was rebuking the Pharisees (who are highly educated in the law of God) about the law of divorce, not faith. You have used that verse totally out of context to what we are discussing which is salvation. Once again, "faith comes by hearing", according to Scripture.
---christan on 10/4/11


Warwick, you gave Matt. 19:4, in the context Jesus was speaking to the Pharisees and that is how He answered them. They were pharisees and knew all of Scripture, yet had no faith in the Truth for they were self-righteous on the outside acting as holy, but in the inside their hearts were corrupt. Knowing all the Old Testament didn't save them.
Then you give Acts 17:11, these people had search and search the Scriptures but it wasn't until faith came to them that many of them believed the Word of God. Any athiest can read it, that doesn't mean they get saved by reading it. They get saved when the Spirit brings the light of Scripture to them by faith that they believe in what they have read, otherwise they will never believe the Truth.
---Mark_V. on 10/4/11


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Christian, the Bible is God's word. Therefore hearing it read is hearing God's word. It is still God's word even if we were to read it silently to ourselves.

Last Sunday our pastor preached to us on 11 Samuel so again we heard the word of God.

Acts 17:11 "Now the Bereans were of more noble character than the Thessalonians, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true."

Matthew 19:4 "Haven't you read the Scriptures?" Jesus replied. "They record that from the beginning 'God made them male and female.'

You will search in vain to find any scripture in God's word that says not to study the word!
---Warwick on 10/3/11


Poppa Bear, your judgment of St John is but by your flesh (which is dead in sins and trespasses) and definitely not by the Spirit of God. You accuse the apostle that his writing is not guided by the Spirit and yet God declared through Paul,

"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works." 2 Timothy 3:16,17

All the sixty-six books of the Holy Bible written is God's breathe to His people only. For we are told, "Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God." Matthew 4:4
---christan on 10/4/11


Amen Darlene, your words hit me with their simplistic truth. As for election, that is Gods side of the coin displaying His amazing sovereignty and mans side of the coin is the call to repent and believe in the name of Jesus. All men are commanded to believe, and God desires that all men be saved. Election is a mystery that can be vary divisive when mishandled, but can also glorify Gods grace when handled lovingly, humbly and wisely.
In His loving grip, 70x7
---Poppa_Bear on 10/3/11


"On the contrary, reading the bible does indeed get people saved." Steveng

Really? Paul must be lying when he declared, "So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God." Romans 10:17

Paul didn't say, "reading, and reading by the word of God." If you are not born of the Spirit of God, all the reading in the world will never save you. For Jesus Christ declared,

"It is the spirit that quickeneth, the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life." John 6:63 and "Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God." John 3:3
---christan on 10/3/11


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He delivered these words to St. John who had metropolitical/archepiscopal oversight over them. I wonder if John who was an x-fisherman and hardly a scholar with the most simplistic writing style in the NT knew what kind of formal clergy oversight he had over them? I thought he was simply an Apostle, a disciple of the Master obeying the great commission. I believe the archiepiscopal position didnt come into play until about the 5th-century and it was an institution created by the church that is quite intrusting to contemplate.
In His loving grip, 70x7
---Poppa_Bear on 10/3/11


I agree with Christan.
Reading the Bible cover to cover does not save anyone. The Word of God has to come with power otherwise anyone can read it and know what happen but not understand spiritual Truth. Only God's children can understand it, because it is spiritually discerned. The Bible is God's Word to all, and teaches about God, man, and redemption. But redemption only comes by faith in the Truth, and faith comes from God. And you can only believe in the Bible if you have faith. Otherwise it is meaningless to those who are lost. Micha is correct, faith comes from hearing the word of God, but faith has to come otherwise the Word of God is meaningless without faith. That's why only believers can understand it's truth.
---Mark_V. on 10/3/11


christan: "Reading the Holy Bible from cover to cover is not going to save anyone."

On the contrary, reading the bible does indeed get people saved. It helps develop a relationship with God. It's a resume of the relationsip between God and his people. It sets a strong foundation in a godly life. How many people do you suppoe are saved by just picking up the bible? Once a person has the knowledge of God then the real relationship starts. Once a christians reads about God and his people, then he will start developing a relationship with him. The bible is the beginning what happens thereafter is the labor of love.
---Steveng on 10/1/11


Really, christan?
Rom 10:13-17 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher? And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things! But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report? So then faith [cometh] by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
---micha9344 on 10/1/11


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The Father sent Jesus to elect ALL believers to come to Him.

SOME will COME TO HIM because they truly love The Father, and some will come only to "SERVE" because they feel that God places demands on us (servitude) as though God will BENEFIT from our graciousness.

If we truly have "living water" and a "heart of flesh", then our spirit will be compatible with God's spirit that was brought to us by God's son when He was glorified. Then we will "neither thirst" (Rev. 7:16) and we'll no longer need to rely on "Hope" (1 Corin. 13:13), our election will be sure.
---more_excellent_way on 10/1/11


"What really matters is whether God has elected you to salvation before the foundations of the world in Jesus Christ." -Christian on 10/1/11

Let me guess, you happen to be one of those elect, right?

So what do you say to the scriptures that say Jesus died for all and the verses that say to choose. How can God tell us to choose if the choice is not ours to make?
---Jed on 10/1/11


After 62 years of being taught as a child,reading studying,and loving the Bible I think I know it. It is exiciting to me when God brings a verse to my mind,usually in a few seconds,and I know in order for that to happen and me have a good idea where it is located in the Bible I have to have the Word planted in my mind as well as my heart. Even so I always try to keep an open,teachable mind for we are never too well versed that there isn't something we can learn. I love teaching but I think I love research and learning more.
---Darlene_1 on 10/1/11


Christian many people have been saved when they have accepted the challenge to read the Bible.

Further we are commanded to give a defence of what we believe, to give the reasons for the hope we have, (1 Peter 3:15) and to go into the world and preach the gospel (Mark 16:15). A true active Christian walk demands a deep knowledge of the word of God which comes about by reading His word (Romans 10:17, Colossians 3:16).

I have read the Bible cover to cover many times and found I learn more and more. I recommend it to everyone.

---Warwick on 10/2/11


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Reading the Holy Bible from cover to cover is not going to save anyone. What really matters is whether God has elected you to salvation before the foundations of the world in Jesus Christ. And if He has elected you, He will call you and justify you by faith through the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

Instead of boasting how well you know and remember the Bible verse by verse, do what Christ has instructed His disciples to do. And that is,

"Testifying both to the Jews, and also to the Greeks, repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ." Acts 20:21
---christan on 10/1/11


\\"Oh taste and see that the LORD is good," (in Psalm 34:8) You don't know this verse in the Bible unless you taste the LORD, for one example, so you find out all that this verse really means.\\

This verse has been used as a Communion hymn for ages.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/30/11


We have to have discipline to have a serious study life.

I have studied many many hours and continue to do so.

I found myself a while back reading Gods Word for sermon preparation only, without much leisure reading.

What I have done is set a protocol that I cant logon to Cnet until I read a chapter just to be reading it.

Some will disagree, but it has worked for me.

Paul
---Paul on 9/30/11


I have the bible on mp3.
So I just let it play 24/7.
It was hard on my family, so they said.
But I said wow, I really feel for you.
Not that Im saying it, because I feel they should want to hear it.
But, that I really dont care. And I dont!
I tried headphone but after one or two days, they hurt.
So, its love me or leave me! I guess they love me.
How fortunate for me. To have people who love me.

I kind of like TNT (The New Testament) more than TOT.
So this is why I say the people of the earth, have a big surprise coming.
I wonder if you would believe Im crying right now.
Peace!
---TheSeg on 9/30/11


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"many KNOW the scriptures but it is the PRACTICAL APPLICATION that is important."
---mike on 9/29/11
Sounds good mike but I think that they go hand in hand:
John 6:63 "It is the spirit that quickeneth, the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life."
The Word of God is Spirit and is Life?
Walk in it and Live (Matthew 19:17) - "... but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments." (Matthew 7:24).
The Spirit of the Word is a guide as in "... Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth:..."


John 3:21 "But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, ..."
---Nana on 9/30/11


nevertheless the word is a good tool it is also dangerous just to quote the nilly willy like some do
---andy3996 on 9/29/11

I agree with you Andy. There is willy and then there is nilly.

It should be willy standing with willy. And nilly standing with nilly.
They look willy, but are nilly.
Matthew 7:15
Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
Matthew 15:24
But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

They are willy. Willing.
---Trav on 9/30/11


You don't know and study a car owner's manual, by just looking at the book. You need to handle the car and do what the manual is talking about.

"Oh taste and see that the LORD is good," (in Psalm 34:8) You don't know this verse in the Bible unless you taste the LORD, for one example, so you find out all that this verse really means.
---Bill_willa6989 on 9/29/11


The more I think I know, the more I don't-know. The more I understand God's Holy attributes, plan of Salvation, I understand I'm a foolish man, a-sinner saved by Grace needing to cling to His word everyday. it's my daily-bread/living-water/Holy-sustenance. I'll never know/understand enough. His word is fathomless, it's a universe of priceless treasures. The Truths in that book guided by His Spirit allow me to love and lead my family. Everyday I want to know His word, hide it in my heart, meditate on it and live it. I cant imagine there will be a time that I'v arrived to a perfect understanding while in this tabernacle, it is leading/strengthening /comforting/enriching/feeding/sustaining me everyday.
---Poppa_Bear on 9/29/11


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Ps 119:11 I have stored up your word in my heart,that I might not sin against you.

I have tried to read a different version of the Bible every year as well as taken formal courses in it at the college level.

However, it seems that every time I read it, I find something that I had not noticed before.

How long does it take for the Holy Spirit to bring to remembrance the scripture I have read? Much depends upon the circumstances encountered in my own Christian walk.

We need pray for that which will build up His Church while the opportunity presents itself.
---lee1538 on 9/29/11


Many believers enjoy having a rigorous devotion so they can feel that they've accomplished HIGH SPIRITUAL STATUS. The only thing we are to "surrender" is the "self EFFORT".

The Lord tells us that there should be no "self abasement" or "rigor of devotion" (are you a living breathing SOUL or a copy of the book?). If you want to rigorously 'study, study, study' in order to accomplish self effort works and high status, you will have no "heart of flesh" to give to The Lord.

Be a master of yourself instead of a master and lover of text.

Titus 1:8 "a lover of goodness, master of himself".

Look up all words that are in quotes (since you study, study, study).
---more_excellent_way on 9/29/11


i've been reading the bible cover to cover multiple times, (once a year) and i study the word alot as well.

nevertheless the word is a good tool it is also dangerous just to quote the nilly willy like some do
---andy3996 on 9/29/11


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