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Rocky, you accused me of distortion when I asked you if you meant to say that the Bible is not the Word of God. Firstly, I can't be distorting when I'm not making a statement, I was asking you a question. Secondly, If you have a history book that contains the Gettysburg Address, the history book itself is not actually the Gettysburg Adress since it contains information other than the Gettysburg Address. In the same way, if you state that the Bible contains the Word of God but also contains errors and mistruths as well, then you are indeed saying that the Bible is not the Word of God, because the Word of God does not include errors and mistruths. So it is actually you that are distorting.
---Jed on 10/19/11


Rocky, you're a real peice of work. Please, get yourself some help man.
---Jed on 10/18/11


what do you propose is the Word of God?
---Jed on 10/17/11

the ??? is not what, but who...
---aka on 10/18/11


"Wonder what happened to ole Lightin Rod? Ain't seen his legs runnen round here lately."
Trav
Yea, at least ol' Looie ain't got his foot stuck in his mouth like so many on here that believe lies and try to pass 'em on.
---Elder on 10/18/11


Bubba we are not stranded. We are just stopped for a while to do some fishing. There are those in this big moving pond that needs to be caught.
PS: have you noticed that there is a lot of "gas" in this area too?
---Elder on 10/18/11

Kno tha's right!

Wahl, wasn't gonna say nuthin bout that gas Forrest. Bud now that cha mention it.

Hey...zat ole Lutenit Dan up there on da mast? Nah...could be ole Atheist. Lightin rod his nick name.

Wonder what happened to ole Lightin Rod? Ain't seen his legs runnen round here lately.
---Trav on 10/18/11




---Jed 10/18/11
Rocky, I guess by your reasoning I could also call you a liar for repeating the attrocious fabrications of the liberal media and the leftists.
More distortions. First, I explained how specific things you said were lies, I did not make vague, general attacks for "the atrocious fabrications of the liberal media" like you. Second, if I were wrong about you, you should say so with evidence, not come back with those bogus attacks on me to hide your errors. Third, I identified specific lies you told but didn't say you were a liar, a huge difference as I explained earlier for those who need an explanation about the obvious.
(continued)
---Rocky on 10/18/11


I think if you would review your previous statement that I have copied below, you may see how it could be perceived that you don't believe the Bible is the Word of God.
---Jed 10/18/11
I have posted my position clearly on this thread, yet you intentionally choose to distort it:
I, like many others, believe that the Bible contains the word of God, but recognize that it contains some errors. --10/17
Many Christians, like me, do not believe that the Bible is to be read literally or that it is inerrant. We can believe most of it without believing every word literally. --10/13
But my standard is the Bible, as the starting point and touchstone --10/12
---Rocky on 10/18/11


---MarkV on 10/18/11 (continued)
You can jump and dance if you like,
Wow Making up more things to attack me for. Really sad and disgusting. And yet you never answered the simple question I asked, "Is murder a physical act or a spiritual one? Does it affect the physical or the spiritual?" Please stop the childish attacks that only dishonor yourself and answer the simple questions that were asked.
---Rocky on 10/18/11


Bubba we are not stranded. We are just stopped for a while to do some fishing. There are those in this big moving pond that needs to be caught.
PS: have you noticed that there is a lot of "gas" in this area too?
---Elder on 10/18/11


Rocky, I guess by your reasoning I could also call you a liar for repeating the attrocious fabrications of the liberal media and the leftists. However, I consider the liars to be the ones who intially created the lies, not you for simply being misinformed. Hence why I have never called you a liar or a distortionist. I do, however, believe you are intentionally ignorant to facts that don't fit your liberal agenda.

You, however, have actually said that the Bible and the Word of God are not the same thing. Then when I asked if you really meant to say that the Bible is not the Word of God, you accused me of distorting.
---Jed on 10/18/11




Rocky, thank you for clarifying. I think if you would review your previous statement that I have copied below, you may see how it could be perceived that you don't believe the Bible is the Word of God. So please stop acusing me of distortion when it was you who failed to clarify what you meant when you wrote that the Bible and the Word of God are not the same thing.

"You repeatedly equivocate between Bible and Word of God. I say I don't believe in the literal Bible and you attack me for questioning the Word of God. I have explained the difference between the two several times, and it is an important distinction. But you still choose to lie." -Rocky
---Jed on 10/18/11


---Jed on 10/14/11 (continued)
and accused them of "lies" and "distortion" for simply having a different opinion than you.
Thats another lie. I never said that because of different opinions or doctrinal differences, I said that only when people wrote lies and gross distortions, like you did repeatedly. Normally I'm not that blunt on a person's first misstatements, only when they do it repeatedly. As I pointed out earlier on this thread, on another thread, I called you on errors, lies and distortions on 10 posts in that one thread. You never showed me wrong, just tried to hide your prior errors with more, new lies and distortions. I encourage all to go back and review it.
---Rocky on 10/18/11


(PS: Bubba could pick out spiritual shrimps too.)
---Elder on 10/17/11


Missed the Pink Elephant sticker.
Spiritural shrimp,throw em back in the water of life for a while.....they'll jumbo up. (40yrs good biblical #)

Forrest did you remember to put any fuel in the boat....here we are stranded in the middle of this blog.... shut up about Ginny already will ya.
---Trav on 10/18/11


Trav/Bubba, buddy, sniff, sniff, don't I even get an honorable mention for my, "Yea... sure.... and those pink elephants flying around his head are guardian angels."?
---Elder on 10/15/11
Sniff, sniff.....ugh...wait a minute sniff, sniff....
(PS: Bubba could pick out spiritual shrimps too.)
---Elder on 10/17/11


So Rocky, you say the Bible is not the Word of God?
---Jed on 10/17/11
Surprise surprise. There you go distorting again. I, like many others, believe that the Bible contains the word of God, but recognize that it contains some errors. I have written that many times on this site, and many like you continue to distort my position. My position is pretty simple and common, so I can only assume your distortion is done with evil intent to discredit me. It is disgusting that you resort to such trickery, more so that you dont see how easily your perfidy is exposed.
---Rocky on 10/17/11


(Yes, voters, I am firm on my position of non-committals and will not waver from my 100% solid stand of maybe or maybe not.....)(Elder)//

//In order for someone to defend a lie they must believe the lie and/or be liars themselves. (Elder)//
-----Bingo Blog

Elder,
Ding...ding....ding....Attn: You've got two Blog Bingo, Bumper Sticker possibility's with these two above.
You may be missing a secular opportunity here.
Forrest Gump scored with a Smiley Face. Go for it.
You wannabe Forrest I'll be bubba. I'll work the bumper sticker net you carry the Cigar Box.

(Did you get these from Garfield or Dilbert? No matter, they were ironically funny/truths)
---Trav on 10/17/11


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So Rocky, you say the Bible is not the Word of God? What do you believe is God's Word then? The Quran? The Book of Mormon? Barack Obama's last speech? Really, since you say that you believe 100% in the Word of God but not the Bible, what do you propose is the Word of God?
---Jed on 10/17/11


---Mark_V. 10/14/11 (part 3)
Questioning the authenticity of the Word of God is very important.
There you go twisting things again. More distortion. You repeatedly equivocate between Bible and Word of God. I say I don't believe in the literal Bible and you attack me for questioning the Word of God. I have explained the difference between the two several times, and it is an important distinction. But you still choose to lie. That is very dishonorable.

That is 3 major distortions in one post! I cannot believe how you continue to distort things this way, in post after post.
---Rocky on 10/17/11


Jed you have won the Church BINGO Award more than one time in dealing with Rocky.
In order for someone to defend a lie they must believe the lie and/or be liars themselves.
Now we are "sure" this is not the case with Rocky. Rocky is such a "biblical intellect" he just couldn't be that deceptive, huh?
---Elder on 10/17/11


You're right. Your comment is very stupid. -Rocky 10/16/2011

Bahaha. When I'm right, I'm right.
---Jed on 10/16/11


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---Jed 10/14/11
I'm sure without doubt that your response.. will be "more lies and distortion, unbelievable" or "how VERY stupid".
You're right. Your comment is very stupid. You attack me for saying that I didn't engage in name calling. Then you post several examples, allegedly of name calling. Except they weren't. Those lines were clearly keyed in the post to others' written comments. It was their comments that were stupid. There is a HUGE difference between calling comments vs. people stupid. And I said that about statements not because they were just wrong, but because they were STUPID. Some here are very short on skills in critical reading and thinking. Your statement was wrong again.
(continued)
---Rocky on 10/16/11


Rocky, I'm not surprise you believe in what you do. I realize now why you speak for Momanism, and do not believe Scripture is the Word of God. I say this because God cannot lie. Thanks for the answers. Peace I leave you.
---Mark_V. on 10/14/11


Another false attack based on a lie. Where on this thread did I do any name calling? I challenge you to show one place. -Rocky 10/13/2011

"How VERY stupid." 10/13/2011
"How VERY stupid (3 times in one post) 10/12/2011
More distortion. Unbelievable. 10/13/2011

Rocky, I'm sure I do not need to post the countless times on other threads that you called someone "how very stupid" and said "shame on you" and accused them of "lies" and "distortion" for simply having a different opinion than you. I'm sure without doubt that your response to this post will be "more lies and distortion, unbelievable" or "how VERY stupid". Bahaha, I'm looking forward to that.
---Jed on 10/14/11


---Mark_V. on 10/14/11
Rocky, there is nothing stupid about asking if you believe the Bible to be truth.
No, but you never asked me that. Why imply you asked something when you did not? More distortion. Unbelievable. Instead beforeyou asked me how I could believe just part, and I explained that, several times.
(continued)
---Rocky on 10/14/11


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---Mark_V. 10/14/11 (part 2)
because as you said the Spirit who inspired writers to write the Bible, tells you which part is truth and which is not.
No, more distortion. I said the Spirit guides me, but I never said it was the same Spirit who inspired the writers of the Bible. Why do you keep putting words in my mouth and distorting what I wrote? Is it intentional or are you just unable to keep ideas separate and clear?
I have no idea if you mean the original writers, copiers, translators, people who decided what books to include, or later revisers. But I claim no knowledge about whether all of them were guided by spirit, let alone what spirit.
(continued)
---Rocky on 10/14/11


Rocky, there is nothing stupid about asking if you believe the Bible to be truth. I was not asking you if you interpreted differently but whether it was truth or not to begin with. Now you are talking hermeniutics how to interpret Scripture and I never talked about interpreting but whether it was truth. I know there are liberal Christians who only believe some of the Bible and don't believe the rest. You are one of them who knows what is Truth in the Bible and what is not, because as you said the Spirit who inspired writers to write the Bible, tells you which part is truth and which is not. That is what you said. Questioning the authenticity of the Word of God is very important. That is why I ask.
---Mark_V. on 10/14/11


Glad others on this site are seeing Rocky's low-class and abusive rhetoric and name calling.
---Jed on 10/13/11
Another false attack based on a lie. Where on this thread did I do any name calling? I challenge you to show one place. And the abuse is Mark's repeated lies. I answered his questions nicely and proved him wrong but he continued repeating the lies, so I ACCURATELY called his comments what they were stupid. Its stupid to keep repeating his attacks and telling me what I believe AFTER it is shown to be wrong. Scroll down. See how many times I explained the same things over and over again and proved them wrong, while he returned and repeated the lies.
---Rocky on 10/13/11


Rocky's low-class and abusive rhetoric
---Jed on 10/13/11
If other readers would like to know where Jed is coming from, just go look at our posts on the "Bush or Obama the Bad Guys" thread. I showed how Jed was simply wrong, lying, or distorting facts in about 10 different posts on that thread. The record is there for all to read. You are the one with the abusive rhetoric, Jed, not me.
---Rocky on 10/13/11


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//Eph 4:11And he gave some...,pastors and teachers,//

I believe we need to be aware that a term "pastors" used 2,000 years ago wasn't defined the same way it is defined today.
---Rod4Him on 10/10/11


Good point.
Char...if this subject interests you...do us a Hebrew/Grk word(witness) comparison. Wha ya say....wha ya say?
You may have already done it and i missed it. Lets explore the store-house.
Jeremiah 23:2
Therefore thus saith the LORD God of Israel against the pastors that feed my people, Ye have scattered my flock, and driven them away, and have not visited them: behold, I will visit upon you the evil of your doings, saith the LORD.
Jeremiah 23:1-3
---Trav on 10/13/11


Glad others on this site are seeing Rocky's low-class and abusive rhetoric and name calling.
---Jed on 10/13/11


Mark V: While in general I agree with you, I think there are cases where someone can:
(1) Believe parts of the Bible, but think that some sections are metaphors rather than literal truth.
(2) In the second statement, Rocky may mean that the are parts he does not beleive, but still 'defends' it from lies, not because he agrees, but because he simply wishes to argue with the lie (possible to defend a view he has which is also challenged by that lie)

(3)About this, I don't know enough about Mormons to say

But I agree with you in your statements. Let's not be harsh, though, on one who has some different views. It is our job to persuade, and uusally we can do this better by gentle showing of what their error may be.
---Peter on 10/13/11


1) The Truth is Christ and the gospel is about Christ. You cannot believe half of it. You either believe it or don't.
---Mark_V. on 10/13/11
WOW! You pile on more lies and distortion.
1)How VERY stupid. The subject of the earlier post CLEARLY was the Bible not Christ or his word. It is very clear in the earlier post. Many Christians, like me, do not believe that the Bible is to be read literally or that it is inerrant. We can believe most of it without believing every word literally. You AGAIN change the subject then attack me for something I never said. You use dishonest practices in your discussion and are not to be trusted.
(Continued)
---Rocky on 10/13/11


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Rocky, you don't seem to understand. Let me explain it better, You said:
1. How VERY stupid. There are many more options then believe it all or don't believe any."
The Truth is Christ and the gospel is about Christ. You cannot believe half of it. You either believe it or don't.
2. "How VERY stupid. I can believe it is not true but still defend it from lies, as I stated before." How can you believe it is not true, and still defend it? Wouldn't you be speaking of what is not truth in it?
3. " How VERY stupid. I never said I believe the Book of Mormon and dont. What a stupid, false assumption."
If you were a Mormon you must have believed it was true, or you wouldn't have been a Mormon.
---Mark_V. on 10/13/11


1)Rocky, how can your standard be the Bible when you questioned what is written? It is just not possible. You either believe it or you don't.
2) Yet you still believe in it, or else you would be one who wants everyone to know what they taught were lies
3)How can you support Scripture when you believe in the Book of Mormon?
---Mark_V. on 10/12/11
1) How VERY stupid. There are many more options then believe it all or don't believe any.
2) How VERY stupid. I can believe it is not true but still defend it from lies, as I stated before.
3) How VERY stupid. I never said I believe the Book of Mormon and dont. What a stupid, false assumption.
---Rocky on 10/12/11


Rocky, how can your standard be the Bible when you questioned what is written? It is just not possible. You either believe it or you don't. Let's take the faith that you had in Mormonism. you believed in it. Then you said you left. Yet you still believe in it, or else you would be one who wants everyone to know what they taught were lies. And you would go about it with a passion. But you don't, you in fact speak for them. As if you never left. And then get angry when someone, and let me say, many, have approached you with answers. You stood there and defended them. How can you speak Truth? How can you support Scripture when you believe in the Book of Mormon? Just not possible. Just like the Witnessess, they support the N.W.T. at any cause.
---Mark_V. on 10/12/11


1) That implies the Spirit guided writers to write something not true.
2) Then you aswer as say to me if I copy you it will be Truth.
3) Are you the standard of Truth?
---Mark_V. on 10/12/11
1) No, it implies no such thing. Some writers wrote things that were not true on their own. Or later copiers or translators changed it.
2) That is true. Obviously if I have the truth and you follow it, you are following truth.
3)I am the standard for myself and all those that choose to follow the truth. But my standard is the Bible, as the starting point and touchstone, and ultimately the Holy Spirit given us just for that purpose.
(continued)
---Rocky on 10/12/11


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4)Then you get all pushed out of shape when someone disagrees with you.
5)You support Mormon believes
6)You sound pretty self-righteous to me?
---MarkV. 10/12/11
4)That's not true at all. I never get "pushed out of shape". As I said before, I recognize and accept doctrinal disputes. But some things are flat wrong, lies, or distortions. Those I will frankly challenge, as anyone should when confronted with such outlandish statements.
5)Wrong again. You don't differentiate between supporting something versus simply ensuring that statements about others beliefs are accurately stated
6)I hope every Christian following Jesus that's received the Spirit will be self-righteous and know they follow the truth.
---Rocky on 10/12/11


Rocky, are you not saying that the Spirit discern the truth of Scripture to you, so that you can know what is truth in it and what is not? You had said some of Scripture was not true. That implies the Spirit guided writers to write something not true. Then you aswer as say to me if I copy you it will be Truth. Are you the standard of Truth?
Then you get all pushed out of shape when someone disagrees with you. You support Mormon believes, and Hindu teachings to help genuine believers, and turn around and tell everyone Scripture is not all truth, but copying you we get the Truth? You sound pretty self-righteous to me? How could I teach that garbish to anyone?
---Mark_V. on 10/12/11


1)[If] I stole your sermon, I would be teaching false doctrine for giving what you gave and not reading Scripture myself.
2) And you suggest the Spirit inspired writers to not tell the truth all the time
---Mark_V. on 10/11/11
1) No, since I only speak truth, if you copy me it will be the truth. But I commend you to listen to the Spirit as well, and decide for yourself.
2) I never said that. Please dont put words in my mouth and attack me for your words. And your scriptural quotes about the Holy Spirit guiding man only reinforces what I have been saying. Thank you.
---Rocky on 10/11/11


Rocky, Here's what I saying. Lets say you gave a sermon and said the Bible is not all Truth as you said to me. And that the Spirit helps you discern what is true and what is not, and I stole your sermon, I would be teaching false doctrine for giving what you gave and not reading Scripture myself
Don't you realize that Scripture affirms that "Prophecy never had its origin in the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit" 2 Peter 1:21, and Numbers tells us "God is not a man, that He should lie" And you suggest the Spirit inspired writers to not tell the truth all the time, but now you have the Spirit to direct you to the parts that are truth.
---Mark_V. on 10/11/11


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1)But when a pastor or preacher uses someone's sermon and gives it as his, he did not do any work.
2)Just steal someone's sermon as if it was yours.
3)And what if the preacher speaking the sermon was wrong in giving the meaning of the passages he was speaking of? Then you too will be wrong.
--MarkV 10/10/10
1)So? The object is to enlighten the flock not make the pastor work.
2)His? Doesnt it all come from the Bible and Spirit? And one can give credit to others.
3)One should study and "correct" the sermon before giving it and, since 2 heads are better than one, the likelihood of error should be even less than if a pastor just writes his own.
---Rocky on 10/10/11


//I think that the job title of PASTOR, and their schedule of sermons/messages, is part Tradition and part Culture.//

Exactly, tradition doesn't make it right and doesn't necessarily make it wrong, and it might be, but it's not "Biblical." People need to be cautious about those "...who loves to be first..." III John 9.

//Eph 4:11And he gave some...,pastors and teachers,//

I believe we need to be aware that a term "pastors" used 2,000 years ago wasn't defined the same way it is defined today.

Where were believers meeting 2,000 years ago, and what was happening when they gathered?
---Rod4Him on 10/10/11


Rocky, there is nothing wrong in reading someone's sermons. They do help many times other times they are wrong in the interpretation of the meaning of the passages there sermon is about. I have sermons from many. They help me a lot to learn sometimes. Some hit on some spots I had trouble with. But when a pastor or preacher uses someone's sermon and gives it as his, he did not do any work. You don't have to study anymore. Just steal someone's sermon as if it was yours. And what if the preacher speaking the sermon was wrong in giving the meaning of the passages he was speaking of? Then you too will be wrong.
---Mark_V. on 10/10/11


1)I think that there are many Priests in the Catholic church that don't come close to what the Bible defines as a Priest.
2)However, because I'm not perfect, I must remind you that only GOD can give a clear evaluation of our church leaders.
---Sag on 10/9/11
1)Throughout history there have been many evil Popes that didn't come close to what the Bible defines for salvation of any believer
2)Remind me? You were the one that said you recognize only those leaders "that GOD has clearly raised up for those positions."
---Rocky on 10/9/11


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1)How do you know "The ones that GOD has clearly raised up"?
2)Many that have given themselves the same titles as found in the Bible also are "any but" Biblical leaders. Names and titles are not the issue.

---Rocky on 10/9/11

"By Their Fruits You Shall Know Them . . . "

Matthew 7:16

I think that there are many Priests in the Catholic church that don't come close to what the Bible defines as a Priest.

However, because I'm not perfect, I must remind you that only GOD can give a clear evaluation of our church leaders.



---Sag on 10/9/11


1)However, I recognize only the leaders that the Bible defines. The ones that GOD has clearly raised up for those positions.
2)Many worldly Pastors are "any but" Biblical leaders. Not when they turn a blind eye to what the Bible says about things.
---Sag on 10/8/11
1)How do you know "The ones that GOD has clearly raised up"?
2)Many that have given themselves the same titles as found in the Bible also are "any but" Biblical leaders. Names and titles are not the issue.
---Rocky on 10/9/11


1 and 2 Timothy and Titus have been formally called the Pastoral letters of Paul for the last 200 years, and informally for much longer. In the 3 letters to Pauls companions he discusses the points of ministry which we use as our guide, shaping much of what we know as Pastoral duties.
Including, leadership qualifications, addressing/caring for widows, poor, rich and old-young, importance of scripture, maintaining a solid testimony, defending the faith, discipling, proclaiming the Gospel and more. Also, preaching and teaching are a New-Testament gift of the Holy Spirit.
---Poppa_Bear on 10/7/11


The blog question presumes a "pastor" is a Biblical position.

Where in scripture is the position and responsibility of the senior-pastor articulated, and where does it say he needs a "message" each week?
---Rod4Him on 10/7/11

Eph 4:11And he gave some, apostles, and some, prophets, and some, evangelists, and some, pastors and teachers,

Matthew 13:54 Coming to his hometown, he began teaching the people in their synagogue, and they were amazed. Where did this man get this wisdom and these miraculous powers? they asked.

If you have an issue with Church that is fine, but please don't attempt to discredit it.

Weekly is a choice and senior Pastor is a Pastor with seniority.
---Paul on 10/7/11


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Rod4Him:

I think that the job title of PASTOR, and their schedule of sermons/messages, is part Tradition and part Culture.

I've learned a lot from following these leadership questions. In the Catholic church, those issues include: Celibacy, Women as Priests, Married Priests, etc. The world is FREE to define their leaders as they please.

However, I recognize only the leaders that the Bible defines. The ones that GOD has clearly raised up for those positions.

Many worldly Pastors are "any but" Biblical leaders. Not when they turn a blind eye to what the Bible says about things.


---Sag on 10/8/11


he should have no problem since the Spirit will guide him on what to say. Is the Spirit going to tell him to be lazy and just steal someone else's sermon so that he doesn't have to do anything?
MarkV 10/4/11
Much adieau about nothing. I hope a Pastor is reading others sermons for his own edification about spiritual matters and writing sermons. The Spirit could lead a Pastor to remember a sermon he's read that is spot on and use it. Why think there's a need for tens of thousands of Pastors to write new speeches EVERY week? That is silly. No reason not to reuse good ones already written. Plus some Pastors may be better at writing sermons than others.
---Rocky on 10/9/11


The blog question presumes a "pastor" is a Biblical position.

Where in scripture is the position and responsibility of the senior-pastor articulated, and where does it say he needs a "message" each week?
---Rod4Him on 10/7/11


mark I understand what you are saying. we are saying different things.
---francis on 10/6/11


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The answer is easy. If a person is annointed to teach the word of God, he will do his work. Of course if he uses quotes from Scripture it is good because we know that is Truth. If he uses quotes from Scripture we can tell if he is changing the meaning of the passages by reading the context ourselves. If he doesn't do the work to bring the message, he is lazy and doesn't belong teaching. Either he is belongs teaching or doesn't.
I have heard pastors read quotes from others who preached in the past, but they are quotes only, not the whole sermon. Just stop been lazy or stop teaching. Some churches don't have pastors because the one they had left, then it is excusable for the one teaching temporary to write someone else's quotes.
---Mark_V. on 10/6/11


That is called Plagiarism. And expulsion from the school is often the penalty for doing that.
---Sag on 10/3/11

I would like to disagree.
I do not believe that is it possible to Plagiarize biblical doctrine.

The apostle paul wrote: Romans 3:10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:

Peter writes: 1 Peter 1:16 Because it is written, Be ye holy, for I am holy.

they were both copying other peoples work.
No references are given
did they plagiarize?
---Francis on 10/4/11


Francis, your comparing the Word of God to what a preacher is going to teach. That is not what we are talking about. We are talking about a preacher not doing his own work, and taking someone else's sermon and using it. There is nothing wrong is speaking about someone sermon as long as they mention the person who wrote it. This way the people listening know it was someone else who said it. When a pastor or speaker is going to give a sermon he should give his own sermon. What he wants to teach about and why. If he is annointed to teach, he should have no problem since the Spirit will guide him on what to say. Is the Spirit going to tell him to be lazy and just steal someone else's sermon so that he doesn't have to do anything? I don't think so.
---Mark_V. on 10/4/11


If a Pastor is not willing to spend time with God and seek His will in the delivery of a sermon then he, in my opinion, dose not deserve the title of Pastor.

Lets call it what it is, a reciter.

Story:

A Pastor was praying before a service one Sunday, he was grieved that he had not prepared a sermon and was expecting God to give him one.
He prayed and grew nervous as he was not hearing from God.
The music was over and time for the sermon was at hand, when God finally spoke to him, "Just tell them your not prepared" said God.

Paul
---Paul on 10/4/11


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To me I see no problem with using an already prepared outline.
All of us who use the bible, use a prerpared outline. I do not see anyone trying to change the order of chapters and verses in the bible. We use the prepared outline of chapters and verses that was done for us.
So if you are going ot preach on a topic, and you find an outline which has the same message, use it.
---Francis on 10/4/11


-Paul on 9/30/11
Lets do an experiment.
Explain to me this verse:
Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

Then look online and see how many people have the exact same explaination.

Even if you wrote your own message it would not be original because many others have writen the exaact same thing.

Now I am not saying that you do not have to adapt the message to suit your preachng style, but in 2011 no one has an original message, every biblical doctrine has been explained.

As to meeting the believres need: Every member needs to hear every word of God, it is just going to take time before yu get around to preaching all the doctrines.
---Francis on 10/4/11


There is nothing Wrong or Illegal with copying Sermons that have been prepared by other people.

However, I believe that we are setting a BAD example for Students by our doing that.

Many schools prohibit copying other people's work WITHOUT giving the original author credit.

That is called Plagiarism. And expulsion from the school is often the penalty for doing that.

I wonder how many people would listen to a copied Sermon if the Pastor told everyone that it WAS NOT their own?

At the same time, WHY is it OK for Pastors to copy things, but not Students?
---Sag on 10/3/11


I have been inspired by the context of other sermons and created a sermon based upon a particular scripture or topic.

But that is the Holy Spirit impressing upon me to create a sermon from the scriptures and not me using second hand notes to rehash a message.

If someone does not bare the gift of preaching in such a way that they can communicate with God for instruction than they may be out of their calling.

Many are taught homiletics and learn sermon delivery, again, I pray God will use this to instruct the Body of Christ, but the person is not operating in his/her calling and would be more beneficial if they would.

One should exhibit the calling and then train, not train to exhibit the calling.
---Paul on 10/1/11


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Do you think Pastors should download prepared messages?---blog question

Yes I do! Would make it even easier to spot a hireling.

John 10:13
The hireling fleeth, because he is an hireling, and careth not for the sheep.

Jeremiah 3:15
And I will give you pastors according to mine heart, which shall feed you with knowledge and understanding.
Jeremiah 23:2
Therefore thus saith the LORD God of Israel against the pastors that feed my people, Ye have scattered my flock, and driven them away, and have not visited them: behold, I will visit upon you the evil of your doings, saith the LORD.



---Trav on 10/1/11


No, I don't!
I really feel if you believe God is calling you to it.
Then shouldn't you feel, he'll tell you what to say?
Mat_10:10 Nor scrip for your journey, neither two coats, neither shoes, nor yet staves: for the workman is worthy of his meat.

And then again
Mat_10:20 For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you.

If you don't believe this, then is God really speaking in you?
Many knock on my door and start talking, I listen for a bit.
Then ask "why did you knock on my door."
Most say to spread the message.
To which I say "God told you to knock on my door?"

Now, I hear nothing.
Peace.
---TheSeg on 10/1/11


\\Jesus had a different word for each of the seven churches did He not?
---chria9396 on 10/1/11
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Yes, and He delivered these words to St. John who had metropolitical/archepiscopal oversight over them.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/1/11


Just want to say I visit before church where the young pastor he use message download fr computer. He kinda "wrangle some"...had to look for back 'n forth! so,it sound like a term paper.. I agree with bro.Pappabear and bro.Paul..
---ELENA on 10/1/11


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I agree with Poppa Bear and Chria and some others. I don't think it is right for a pastor to slack off and not do his work concerning what he is going to teach. By stealing or taking someone else's sermon, it only shows his lack of studying, Lazy. And as Poppa Bear said, it would look as if he was never ordained to be a preacher or pastor. I saw that happen once when instead of studying, he ask his wife to look for a sermon on line. We belonged to that church for a year, and after that we left. Not for that reason only but that reason was the one that finally told us we should leave and we did.
---Mark_V. on 10/2/11


A pastor's number one job is leadership and vision of church. Also a pastor has a unique gift that defines a church. For example, good at evangelism or equipping missions. If a pastor finds a sermon that his church needs to hear why not use someone else sermon or at least parts of it. We are learning from the same book.
---Scott1 on 10/2/11


Cluny, Is it just to the local pastor that the Word of God comes? No, of course not however, in Revelations< Jesus had a different word for each of the seven churches did He not?
---chria9396 on 10/1/11


Is it just to the local pastor that the Word of God comes? Nope, but it is an individual calling on that persons life that distinguishes him as a unique member of the body of Christ, fulfilling a unique purpose which God gifted for him to serve the body in a one of a kind capacity with the ability to preach. If he does not have the gift then, I guess they may have to do this, but as you become intimately acquainted with the Master, it becomes second nature to talk about your best friend/Savior/king/giver of life without signing up for a sermon subscription. You may think different, but I wouldnt need somebody elses words to extol the virtues of my wife, children or best friends and they didn't even die for me.
---Poppa_Bear on 9/30/11


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My thought is that many people will have the same explaination,
Why not download the message and " make it his own?"
---Francis on 9/30/11

The reason is to seek God for yourself and find out what that particular body of believers is in need of on any given Sunday.

The people of God deserve a Pastor who is going to have that oneness with God and be sensitive to what his flock stands in need of.

Some denominations have their sermons in rotation and hand them out like Sunday school curriculum.

If one chooses to do that I pray God will use it, but a living Church should have direction from the Spirit to know what to teach and when to teach it.

paul
---Paul on 9/30/11


\\If a Pastor has to do this, then it would seem to take away from the Spiritual process of really getting into Gods word, going before the thrown, examining ......\\

Why?

Is it just to the local pastor that the Word of God comes?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/30/11


If a Pastor has to do this, then it would seem to take away from the Spiritual process of really getting into Gods word, going before the thrown, examining the text, meditating on the relation between the message and the needs of His flock and the leading of the Spirit. We may feed on the thoughts of other ministers in Christ, but we should produce our own milk from chewing the cud. Pastors are Shepherds and preaching and teaching is a Spiritual gift for the body and if you are being a parrot, repeating somebodys message that they toiled to write then I would pass by that ministry. I do believe that the reading of prayers have different principles and this is found in the OT example of reading Psalters/Psalms as well as the early church.
---Poppa_Bear on 9/30/11


Someone once said that every preacher has only ONE sermon.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/30/11


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Do you think Pastors should download prepared messages?
---Paul on 9/30/11
YES i think so and may i conduct an experiment to see if I am 100% correct?

Can anyone explain this verse to me? Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

My thought is that many people will have the same explaination, so why should a pastor rewrite a message if what is already printed and has the same though at his?
Why not download the message and " make it his own?"
---Francis on 9/30/11


Pastors are free to use any source they fell is appropriate for their sermon sources. The three year lectionary is one of the better tools but there are others. A pastor may have a topical series in mind. Or other types of prepared programs. He/She has an operable window of 17 - 23 minutes to do the sermon in real churches It has to be polished and a good dry run to make an effective presentation. You can have the best sermon I the world but if the presentation is poor then it is a failure.
---Blogger9211 on 9/30/11


When I was preparing a teaching or message for a group I always went to God in prayer to seek what he would have me bring to them. He never failed with subject matter,it flowed freely from the Spirit within and I would give the Bible verses to go with it. Maybe every Pastor doesn't know how to seek God and let the Spirit lead,so they use canned messages. It does take extra time too. It doesn't matter what we think,whatever they do,its between God and them.
---Darlene_1 on 9/30/11


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