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Christians Explain Evolution

Is there any reason why a Christian should embrace Evolution in order to help explain Creation? If not, why do so many do it?

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1)You miss the point. People say evolution couldn't be true because of evidence of master design or intelligent creation by God. Yet they willing accept that God always existed and required no master design or intelligent creation.
2) No, evolution does not teach that. I suppose that under evolution it's possible they did have common ancestors.
---Rocky on 10/7/11
1) Why not just accept the plain reading of the bible? God has always existed because he created TIME and he created everything we see in the universe just like He said He did. Do you not believe in His word?
2) Evolution does teach that and yes you contradicted yourself.
---Jason1072 on 10/7/11


The whole idea of evolution is to debunk the Gospel. You see without ORIGINAL SIN, ( in Adam all die)and in Christ will all be made alive.)).(well, those who place their faith in Christ)there would be no need for any Gospel of Christ Crucified and risen.

So argue all you want and split hairs about how many days of creation, or if life could have begun in different areas, and GUESS WHAT, you've just disqualified yourself from salvation, period!
---kathr4453 on 10/7/11


1) God has always existed.
2)So you believe humans and a banana have a common ancestor?? That's what evolution teaches.
---Jason1072 on 10/7/11
1)You miss the point. People say evolution couldn't be true because of evidence of master design or intelligent creation by God. Yet they willing accept that God always existed and required no master design or intelligent creation.
2) No, evolution does not teach that. Given common conditions on Earth, life could've started independently at more than one place. I suppose that under evolution it's possible they did have common ancestors. But you really shouldn't attribute your statements to evolution and then attack your statements. That only proves your own poor judgement.
---Rocky on 10/7/11


Cluny the the evolutionary belief has everything to do with long-ages, naturalistic appearance of life on earth, and the onfolowing microbe to man evolution. The 3 are insepparably necessary.

The theory of evolution has no need of God as it is a naturalistic alternative to God's Genesis creation account.

Further Genesis leaves no room for any form of microbe-to-man evolution, with its intrinsic long-ages, and happenstance.

When finished, God said His creation was very good (Genesis 1:31) but in any version of the evolutionary story, (even with God taking some part) the fossil record was in place, a record of death, disease, and suffering. And God sais this was very good? What a monster this God is! And a liar too.
---Warwick on 10/7/11


Cluny says ''God works through natural principles that He Himself established.''

God raised Lazarus from the dead, turned water into wine, removed demons from people, gave the blind their sight, parted the Red Sea, etc.

Which natural principles was God working through when he did the above, Cluny?
---Marc on 10/7/11




Rocky, Christian teaching is that God is uncreated.
---Cluny on 10/7/11
I understand and agree. So why do Christians find it easy to accept that God, in all his incredible intelligence and power, is uncreated, but have a problem believing that the world in some sense could be uncreated or at least not have required the intelligent intervention of God? The Earth requires a creator, but the creator of the Earth, who must be even more intelligent and complex than his creation, does not? It just proves the weakness of that line of thinking. Also it assumes the two concepts are mutually exclusive and argues against the possibility of some integrated, combination of the two.
---Rocky on 10/7/11


Rocky evolutionists claim one kind turned into a totally different kind. Otherwise where did the dog, cat, horse, or human kind etc come from?

As a Christian I accept God's Genesis creation account, as the true account of our origins. I cannot prove this scientifically. However the available evidence (the same for creationist or evolutionist) better fits in with Biblical creation.

In reality naturalistic evolution-Neo-Darwinism (as opposed to supernatural creation) also cannot be proved scientifically.

As both are accepted by faith why would any Christian believe in any form of microbe-to-man evolution?

And why would any honest evolutionist claim the theory is scientific fact. But it's taught as fact.
---Warwick on 10/7/11


Rocky, Scripture says God's word is true from the beginning-Psalm 119:160. Reasearch has shown Jesus and the apostles quoted from or aluded to the first 11 chapters of Genesis 107 times-always as historical fact. The events of the early chapters are the foundation of the gospel. If it is not a true account then Jesus did not know, and the gospel has no foundation in reality. Scripture says sin and death entered the world because of Adam's sin.

In Genesis ch.1 God says He created the various life-forms "according to their kinds." This means the kinds were established at the beginning. Today we see today great variation within the kinds but, for example all the kinds of dogs are dogs, not changing into non Dogs.
---Warwick on 10/7/11


Which part of the eye evolved first? Any living thing requires a complete system in place. Birth defects are examples of non-system growths, making the organism weak. What happens to weakend species? They are eliminated by nature.
---Dean on 10/7/11


\\1)I think appearing by magic is a reasonable way to describe incredibly complex life appearing from non-life without intelligent input.\\

Evolution has NOTHING to say about the origin of life, only about its development.

Warwick, I have never denied that there was intelligent input. Once more: God works through natural principles that He Himself established.

This is not to be understood in a mechanistic or deistic way. I believe that God is intimately involved in His creation.

What do you think the Incarnation is about?

**1)God must be an incredibly complex life, how was he created? ...**

Rocky, Christian teaching is that God is uncreated.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/7/11




)God must be an incredibly complex life, how was he created? What was the intelligent input that created God? Did he appear by magic?
2)I have seen nothing where you show that a new kind cannot be created by the old kind going through many small adaptions and mutations that change the distinguishing characteristics from those of the old kind. No ones suggesting a dog turned into a cat or vice versa.
---Rocky on 10/7/11
1) God has always existed. He created time in the beginning, remember that part in Genesis?
2)So you believe humans and a banana have a common ancestor?? That's what evolution teaches.
---Jason1072 on 10/7/11


Cluny says: "speciation is a form of evolution."
What would Mendel say about your claim?
---Marc on 10/7/11
OK I give up. I'll play your silly game, Marc. What does Mendel say about Cluny's claim? You tell us.
---Rocky on 10/7/11


\\What would Mendel say about your claim?\\

Any answer to this question would be mere speculation.

And what does such speculation have to do with what I said?

Please explain.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/7/11


1)I think appearing by magic is a reasonable way to describe incredibly complex life appearing from non-life without intelligent input.
2) However this is not a gain in new, unique, specific genetic information which would be required to cause one kind to evolve into a completely different kind.
---Warwick on 10/7/11
1)God must be an incredibly complex life, how was he created? What was the intelligent input that created God? Did he appear by magic?
2)I have seen nothing where you show that a new kind cannot be created by the old kind going through many small adaptions and mutations that change the distinguishing characteristics from those of the old kind. No ones suggesting a dog turned into a cat or vice versa.
---Rocky on 10/7/11


Cluny says: "speciation is a form of evolution."

What would Mendel say about your claim?

And Cluny, is it? Explain, don't just assert without evidence!
---Marc on 10/7/11


\\You can't be Orthodox and believe such anti-biblical rot!\\

Since the SDA teaches that Jesus was Michael the Archangel, and therefore doesn't believe in the real Jesus, you're in no position to talk.

Does the SDA still teach that the False Prophet (second beast) of Rev. 13 is the US Government with its nasty old Sunday blue laws?

And do you believe it?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/7/11


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Warwick:

If you reject the scientific method as being unworkable for proving evolution, the exact same method is unworkable for proving creation either, since we cannot observe God creating another heavens and earth from scratch to see how it was done.
---StrongAxe on 10/7/11


Rocky, I try to keep it simple, as not all people know the more complex scientific language.

By kind I mean for example dog kind, cat kind, human kind.

All dogs and humans are both the one kind and the one species as all different dogs and humans can interbreed.

However within some kinds there are also species, because some of them, though still the same kind, can no longer interbreed. However this is not a gain in new, unique, specific genetic information which would be required to cause one kind to evolve into a completely different kind.

I think appearing by magic is a reasonable way to describe incredibly complex life appearing from non-life without intelligent input.
---Warwick on 10/7/11


Ahhh--but they are different SPECIES!And speciation is a form of evolution.
---Cluny on 10/6/11

Micro evolution is scientific, macro evolution is not. Show me one "kind" changing to another kind!
---Jason1072 on 10/7/11


StrongAxe, the scientific method is used to establish if an idea can be established as fact. The method requires that testable, repeatable, observable experiments must be done.

For example some years ago some scientists came up with the idea of cold fusion. Early work was positive and the world was reasonably very interested. One test was done and it gave credibility to the idea. However, sadly, numerous further tests falsified the whole idea.

Regarding microbe to man evolution no one has been able to even come up with a test. It is therefore not demonstrably true.

We can thoerize and speculate and imagine certain evidence supports our belief but it is only speculation and imagination.
---Warwick on 10/7/11


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Cluny, last month a brother came to church with a t-shirt
"white power" printed on it, we live in Subsaharan Africa, i'm the only white man in church. when he entered i cracked up and laughed, he didn't understand.
the orthodox faith has deviated from their orthodoxy. if not which amongst the orthodox is most orthodox? yours or... coptic, Greek Libanese,Armenians (not arminians) to hold that the orthodox has not deviated is antihistorical.
the word Given by God, not men.it was surely not the orthodox that gave it to us. but lets see it carnnally for discussions' sake: OT 99% jewish. (except of Job)NT writers. Paul, John, Peter,Mathew, all Jews. who else? Jude and Mark,Jewish. leaves us with Luke.
---andy3996 on 10/7/11


wasnt Constantie the Great an orthodox? ,-) is it not because of HIM that every shism ended u^p in just another division. but that's what happens if you mix politics with religion, before that time arminians and trinitarians lived next to eachother indulging eachothers doctrines. some splitups are about points and fraseology. be aware i have nothing against the orthodox church, so pardon my rudeness i am telling the truth not as a "phony minister" because i'm not even a minister just someone who loves the Lord and who loves the truth in Christ Jesus.
---andy3996 on 10/7/11


the church needs orthodoxy in heart, not in name. if accusing then I'me included. Christianity, it is time WE admit our guilt in the great splitup shemes of the past. Stop slandering brothers who rather followed christ instead of giving up truth, whatever was the consequense for their personall life. did protestantism mis? defenately there has been errors but we admit easier when wrong. that's why God did didn't reject us (as David when he repented) God only rejects those that harden their hearts (like king Saul who blamed the nation for his weakness) God wants the traditional church to yield as david did, he did not (yet) reject them.
This is time and grace for all of us. Repent, so God will restore in time.
---andy3996 on 10/7/11


Cluny: "Ahhh--but they are different SPECIES! And speciation is a form of evolution."

"Species" are a man-made construct - "kinds" are biblical. Did it occur to you that your 5,000 year cat is the approximate date that the cat "kind" got off Noah's Ark? The examples of evolution that you've given are merely expressions of mendellian genetic variation and environmental sorting. You can't be Orthodox and believe such anti-biblical rot!
---jerry6593 on 10/7/11


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\\The fact remains that the terns are still birds, and still terns.\\

I will repeat Rocky's question. By "kind," do you mean Domain (new taxon), Kindom, Phylum, Class, Order, Genus, or Species?

\\How can you claim you are Orthodox whilst holding unorthodox views about creation. A paradox!\\

An even bigger paradox is how you can make statements about what Orthodoxy is and is not, when you clearly have NO idea what the Orthodox church teaches.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/7/11


Cluny, if we consider Arctic terns, small genetic changes have made it impossible for some terns to breed with their geographically distant relatives. This is not the adding of genetic information necessary to transform a tern into a different kind of creature. It is in fact a loss and corruption of genetic information.

The fact remains that the terns are still birds, and still terns.

How can you claim you are Orthodox whilst holding unorthodox views about creation. A paradox!
---Warwick on 10/6/11


\\Still a worm and still a cat!! Still the same "kind" which is the term used in the bible.
---Jason1072 on 10/6/11\\

Ahhh--but they are different SPECIES!

And speciation is a form of evolution.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/6/11


In reality micro evolution is what was long called speciation, or adaptation. This does not lead to one kind becoming another, but only variation within a kind.
--Warwick 10/5/11
When you write kind, are you referring to Phylum, Class, Order, Family, genus, or species? Why cannot substantial "adaption" over time, lead to a new "kind"? What stops that from happening?
And on another point, evolution does not require that all life has one common ancestor. More than one original form could have appeared at different times and places. And it did not appear by magic, but by natural forces, one might say Godly forces.
---Rocky on 10/6/11


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\\Rather the orthodox would never heve deviated from the true faith, wich would have^prevented all the schisms sncee the 3rd century\\

"Orthodox" means "true faith.

Who do you think gave you the Bible you appeal to?

\\the orthodox are mainly responsible for expulsing murdering and seperating. (truth about churchhistory)\\

Who have the Orthodox murdered, when, and where? Give specific names, places, and dates, please.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/6/11


As a matter of fact, there seems to have been a macro-evolution in earthworms near an abandoned mine somewhere in the UK where they can live in the arsenic-rich soil--an environment that kills ordinary earthworms elsewhere in the UK. Wish I could give you more details.

And, as I've mentioned, ordinary house cats (Felis catus) have speciated from African wild cats (Felis lybica) only 5,000 years ago.

DNA studies have confirmed both of these.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/4/11

Still a worm and still a cat!! Still the same "kind" which is the term used in the bible.
---Jason1072 on 10/6/11


Warwick:

Except in mathematics, one never gets absolute proof of anything - merely evidence strong enough to strongly encourage belief.

One argument against apes and humans having a common ancestor is that human DNA has 23 pairs of chromosomes while apes have 24. One possible explanation would be that two earlier DNA strands had somehow fused to form one in humans. And, indeed, one human strand, rather than having the standard header-contents-trailer form of a typical DNA strand, has the form header-contents-trailer-header-contents-trailer, indicating that it is indeed two strands that have been fused together. So, rather than this being evidence against the common ancestor theory, it is now evidence for it.
---StrongAxe on 10/6/11


Peter, evolutionary theory is definitely about macro evolution i.e one kind becoming another. The belief is that all life on earth has a common ancestor, stemming from one original life-form which appeared, as if by magic, x billion years ago.

Some evolutionists would have us believe micro evolutionary changes, over vast periods of time, have added up to produce new kinds. There is absolutely no proof of this.

And this is of course accepting that such long-ages ever existed. That itself is a belief.

In reality micro evolution is what was long called speciation, or adaptation. This does not lead to one kind becoming another, but only variation within a kind. This was discovered to be fact by scientists who were Christian.
---Warwick on 10/5/11


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If it would violate your conscience to believe in evolution, then by all means reject it as a belief. If not, then you don't have to.
---God.is.everywhere on 10/5/11


Cluny if everyone would have believed God's word here Rather the orthodox would never heve deviated from the true faith, wich would have^prevented all the schisms sncee the 3rd century
the orthodox are mainly responsible for expulsing murdering and seperating. (truth about churchhistory)
---andy3996 on 10/6/11


When you encounter one who is an educatted evolutionist with a PHD in biology and physics, who is also and atheist with a PHD in sociology. If you are not well informed about
1, THE SABBATH which points to God as the creator
2: The botany and zoology and cell chemistry
3: Origins of world religions
4: Prophetic events in the bible
you will not be able to convnce him that God exists

Most of us have ran into uninformed evolutionist ( freshman college evolutionis) just left home rebelling against parents religion atheist.
Few have encountered the real deal
---Francis on 10/6/11


Cluny: "If the people here believed God's Word, they would all be Orthodox"

If you were really Orthodox, you would not believe in Evolution, but would believe in a six-day creation and the seventh-day Sabbath. But you don't, and you're not.


---jerry6593 on 10/6/11


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Evolution doesn't bring salvation. God brings salvation to whom He wills. All we are guided to do is teach the gospel Truth and the rest is taken care of by God. Learning evolution is something man want to do, for man is always looking for the unknown.
Learning and believing in the Word of God is a passion given to believers by faith in the Lord Jesus Christ. We believe the Word by faith. Anyone who speaks against the Word of God does so to discredit the only real Truth we now have. Truth is not found in the Eastern Orthodox Church, it is found in Christ. And God will despense His Truth (Christ) to whomever He has mercy on.
"So it depends not upon man's will or exertion, "but upon God's mercy" ( Rom. 9:16).
---Mark_V. on 10/6/11


\\If evolutionist believed God's Word, they wouldn't be evolutionist.
---shira4368 on 10/5/11\\

If the people here believed God's Word, they would all be Orthodox, including you, shira.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/5/11


As I read this, we seem to have very different opinions about even what evolution IS.

Personally, I don't see any reason to believe macro evolution, but micro evolution seems not to contradict the Bible.

So we can at least argue on even terms, could we all trade our Christianet names and then strive to agree on what 'evidence' can be used, what each term means, and so on.

Otherwise, we will have a very unruly debate which will help no-one, but will simply lead to hostile views within this site.

PLEASE LETS SET OUT SOME RULES

Continued on my next posting
---Peter on 10/5/11


Continued:

Any 'evolutionary theory' claim should be accompanied with from where did the person find it. Limit that to 'scientific' sites, not popular comment

Complaints about whether the claim or evidence for the claim (radidating, fossil evidence, other similar) should list where it was found. If never posted in something scientific, explain WHY you consider it reliable

Indications that 'this disagrees with' or 'agrees with' the Bible should include(unless it's stated word for word in the Bible) an explanation about WHY you consider that it agrees or disagrees.

That way we can understand each other better, and hopefully those with a mistake in their thinking can be persuaded of their error

PLEASE
---Peter on 10/5/11


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Exodus 17:14a And the LORD said unto Moses, Write this [for] a memorial in a book,
Exodus 34:27a And the LORD said unto Moses, Write thou these words:
Deuteronomy 17:18b that he shall write him a copy of this law in a book Deuteronomy 27:3a And thou shalt write upon them all the words of this law
Jeremiah 30:2 Thus speaketh the LORD God of Israel, saying, Write thee all the words that I have spoken unto thee in a book.
---micha9344 on 10/5/11


NurseRobert, I understand that...still looking for transition. do they always happen in distinct steps?
---aka on 10/5/11


still looking for a transition...monkey to man...maybe in behavior, but not in physical attributes.
---aka on 10/4/11

Evolution does not state that man came from monkeys, but both had a common ancestor.
---NurseRobert on 10/5/11


All we as christians need to know is that God is the creator and He created the heavens and the earth and all of us. Exactly how and when this happened is something we human beings will never know in this life because it's far more complex and miraculous than our human brains can fathom. If we could understand how God does what he does then we would all be gods and he would just be one of us then wouldn't we? People who try to explain the origins of the earth are just wasting their time because they can't possibly learn how to do what God does.
---Jed on 10/5/11


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If evolutionist believed God's Word, they wouldn't be evolutionist.
---shira4368 on 10/5/11
Correction, you mean if evolutionists believe every word that you say is God's Word, they wouldn't believe evolutionists. Part of the problem is the term "Gods word". Words can be written or spoken. Since few of us have heard God, we are normally talking about written words. Since God did not write them, men did, and men translated, recopied, selected from differing manuscripts, decided which to compile in a book, and further translated them. Jesus NEVER said he would leave us with a book, but with a Spirit, and God never said he would make sure the Bible was accurate.
---Rocky on 10/5/11


If I were trying to witness to buddist, i would need to know about buddism to win them to christ.
--Francis 10/4/11
Careful, Francis, many here will attack you just for suggesting anyone read anything but the Bible, let alone such heathen, devil inspired subjects as eastern religions.
---Rocky on 10/5/11


\\my creator made me.\\

You mean you didn't get here the way the rest of us got here?

\\ I am not an offspring of any sort of primate.\\

Human beings are biologically primates, and there's no sense in trying to deny it.

\\ I am an offspring of Adam and Eve.\\

You just said that God made you. Make up your mind.

Considering all the trouble they got us into and their VERY unhealthy family life, this is nothing to brag about.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/5/11


If evolutionist believed God's Word, they wouldn't be evolutionist. Some of you may have had a primate ancestor but my creator made me. I am not an offspring of any sort of primate. I am an offspring of Adam and Eve. I must agree some people act like monkeys and I must look close to be sure they are not.
---shira4368 on 10/5/11


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now i understand the differnce that's why evolution calls us cousins because ther was a "primate" that gendered both of us, long ago extinct.
for this theory you need even MORE conincidence then the man from ape theory ( a theory that does exists)
---andy3996 on 10/5/11


\\still looking for a transition...monkey to man...maybe in behavior, but not in physical attributes.
---aka on 10/4/11\\

Actually, evolution has NEVER claimed "monkey to man."

What the theory has proposed is that hominids and great apes have a common ancestor.

Something quite different, but apparently too subtle for many people to grasp.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/5/11


one thing that evolutionists know is true.

If evolution is a theory on which the proofs are adapted towards then everything in evolution is provable. therefore it must be true?
Eve's taughts
the serpent is proven to be there, the fruit looks good therfore what the devil says must be true. obviously one can not resolve the problem with this kind of reasoning, to an evolutionist everything has its proof whilst a creationist "doesnt look for proof but believes" if any creationist ever looks for proof it is to refute the "proofs that the evolutionist accepted
---andy3996 on 10/5/11


still looking for a transition...monkey to man...maybe in behavior, but not in physical attributes.
---aka on 10/4/11


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If I were trying to witness to evolutionist i would need to knwo about evolution to win them to christ
---Francis on 10/4/11
Thank you for your clarification. I agree that such knowledge would be helpful, although not necessarily required as you seem to state. I did not know that was what you meant before since there is a difference between "need to know" as you state now, and "to the weak became I as weak" as you quoted from 1 Cor 9:22.
---Rocky on 10/4/11


---Rocky on 10/4/11
If I were trying to witness to muslims, I would need to know about islam to win them to christ. If I were trying to witness to buddist, i would need to know about buddism to win them to christ.
If I were trying to witness to evolutionist i would need to knwo about evolution to win them to christ
---Francis on 10/4/11


Can you name a single thing that you personally know about Evolution that is true?
--jerry6593
What is your test or criteria for determining "personally know"? I bet I know that evolution is true as much as you know that God exits. How do you "know" that God exits?
---Rocky on 10/4/11


Is there any reason why a Christian should embrace Evolution in order to help explain Creation? If not, why do so many do it?
1 Corinthians 9:22 To the weak became I as weak, that I might gain the weak: I am made all things to all [men], that I might by all means save some.
---Francis on 10/3/11
Are you saying that Christians conciously lie about accepting evolution in order to save those believing in evolution? Or God hides truth from Christians? Please explain how the scripture you cite does apply.
---Rocky on 10/4/11


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Rocky, I was not putting down evolutionists so please don't call me stupid yet again. I was showing the irony of evolutionists mocking creationists for believing in something that may not be able to be fully explainedwhen they are doing the same thing. My point is that none of us has all the answers. The creation story in the Bible is also complex and may be misunderstood. I think science and creation go hand in hand. After all, God invented science. Actually, the more I learn about science, the more support I find for creation.
---Jed on 10/4/11


How in the world did good Christians support slavery and discrimination for so long?

actually true christendom NEVER suported slavery nor discrimination. it is the False christendom that overtook everyone, and used religion to enslave. now true christendom is pinpointed as bad
---andy3996 on 10/4/11


\\Can you name a single thing that you personally know about Evolution that is true?\\

As a matter of fact, there seems to have been a macro-evolution in earthworms near an abandoned mine somewhere in the UK where they can live in the arsenic-rich soil--an environment that kills ordinary earthworms elsewhere in the UK. Wish I could give you more details.

And, as I've mentioned, ordinary house cats (Felis catus) have speciated from African wild cats (Felis lybica) only 5,000 years ago.

DNA studies have confirmed both of these.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/4/11


I think if you are attempting to witness to evolutionist, that you have a firm grasp on the subject. I would not use the word " embrace" I would use the word " master" or " understand" rather than embrace
---Francis on 10/4/11


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Rocky, I disagree with you. When you speak about Christians you are including those who are by name only. Those are not genuine Christians. You should mention which ones you are talking about before you answer. The evolution we are talking about I believe is in Creation. We are not talking about new things people are learning through time that are fact. We are not talking about theories. It might be or it might not be. We have learned a lot through history. And we will continue to learn. But to make something a fact when it isn't it is false. Your speaking against Christianity now and last time against Scripture. What's up with that? Are you a genuine Christian or one so call Christian by name only? Be honest, tell us who you really are.
---Mark_V. on 10/4/11


//Lets not forget that the Christian Church has a long history of attacking science and scientists,//

it wasn't about faith in Jesus Christ. it was about control. you lose control, you lose revenue and real estate.

the Body of Christ had nothing to do with it.
---aka on 10/4/11


Rocky, knowledgeable Christians reject Evolutionary theory because God's word contradicts it. And because it is a constantly changing belief which cannot be proven by the scientific method.

Reseach will show the scientific method was developed and perfected by Christians such as Boyle, Bacon, Galileo, Pascal, Hooke, Brahe, Newton, Linnaeus, Herschel, Faraday, Davy, Cuvier, Bell, Babbage and dozens more.

Today there are thousands of Scientists who are Christian. Many of whom have become Christians following their rejection of evolution as fact.

An excellent example is Rick Smalley (1943-2005) who was the Hackerman Professor of Chrmistry, and Astronomy at Rice University. And recipient of the Nobel Prize in Chemistry.
---Warwick on 10/4/11


jerry6593: Can you name a single thing that you personally know about Evolution that is true?
I would put one, if you consider this to be 'evolution' (I'm not sure myself!)

I'm diabetic, and one time I looked at the number (as %) of people getting type 1 diabetes 100 years ago and now. 100 years ago, if someone got diabetes, they died within a year.

The number of people getting diabetes (I checked this for the UK, not the US) was less than half the number now.

Could we class that as 'if the genes that cause people to get diabetes are likely to get passed on, the problem will happen to more people?

Maybe, not certain, of course
---Peter on 10/4/11


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There is no accepted version of evolution. ---Jed on 10/3/11

Jed, the same can be said for Christianity. Look at the demoninations. Catholics, Pentacostals, Mormons, JWs, SDA...

Heck, look at this site.
---NurseRobert on 10/4/11


evolutionsists can't agree with eachother... Which version do they want us to believe?
--Jed_10/3/11
Evolution's a complex subject covering various trait types like anatomical, biochemical, behavioural. Variations occur from outside a population, mutation of DNA, epimutation, generic recombination. Evolutionary mechanisms can include genetic hitchhiking, genetic drift, recurrent biased mutation or migration. Given complexity, and that scientists are still learning more, it's no wonder there are different "versions". Putting it down because knowledge isn't complete is stupid. Do you put down all knowledge that is still incomplete? There are still much about the human body that's unknown, but doesn't mean we reject what's known.
---Rocky on 10/4/11


Lets not forget that the Christian Church has a long history of attacking science and scientists, including burning books, suppressing ideas, and imprisoning scientists for their views. One idea considered an abomination for a long time by good Christians was the Sun was at the center of our solar system instead of the Earth. Isaac Newton had a devil of a time with the church for his scientific ideas. Those attacking evolution today may end up being just like those vehemently proclaiming that the Earth was the center of the universe. It's amazing how stupid mankind's been throughout history, and how long prejudices, biases, and other stupid ideas survive. How in the world did good Christians support slavery and discrimination for so long?
---Rocky on 10/4/11


Cluny: "Why do you keep on stirring up this issue, jerry?"

Because you refuse to answer the simple question:

Can you name a single thing that you personally know about Evolution that is true?

Why does the question bother you so? Could it be that uneasy feeling deep down inside you that you might be wrong and the Bible right?
---jerry6593 on 10/4/11


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Cluny, Jerry, a scientist, doesn't want Christians to be ensnared into believing evolution which is contrary to Scripture, and not proveable by the scientific method.

How will they know if no one tells them?
---Warwick on 10/3/11


Is there any reason why a Christian should embrace Evolution in order to help explain Creation? If not, why do so many do it?

1 Corinthians 9:22 To the weak became I as weak, that I might gain the weak: I am made all things to all [men], that I might by all means save some.
---Francis on 10/3/11


If you are sincere about seeking an answer to this question you might consider visiting the website for the Biologos organization.
---obewan on 10/3/11


Jerry again, could it be that jerry and atheist are the same guy?
---andy3996 on 10/3/11


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There is no accepted version of evolution. Even evolutionsists can't agree with eachother and all have their own versions of evolution. Then they mock creationists for not believeing in evolution. Which version do they want us to believe?
---Jed on 10/3/11


I am not sure as to how you mean the question. But I'll explain my opinion, for what that's worth.

While exolution is not a Biblical view, some people do beleive in it, and some of the discovered follils CAN be explained using evolution. As a result, we can't say that a beleif in evolution is 'ridiculous' for a non-Christian.

Thus, we must present our view carefully and thoughtfully
---peter on 10/3/11


Why do you keep on stirring up this issue, jerry?

Did you not like the answers you got the first 4 times you asked this, and are you hoping for another one?

Do you delight in strife and argument?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/3/11


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