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Rocky, what Poppa Bear said, "you are saved by grace, not by any of your works" is very Scriptural. Ephesians 2:8,9
---christan on 10/7/11
Ephesians 2:8,9 "For by grace are ye saved through faith,"
Jas_2:20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
Jas_2:26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
And Mat 16:27, the words of Jesus that I already quoted are very scriptural too, "For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels, and then he shall reward every man according to his works."
I guess Jesus and James were worksmongers, too.
---Rocky on 10/7/11


//Calvin believed in infant Baptism, and stated he himself was regenerated/born again at his own infant baptism.

A LIE FROM HELL!
---kathr4453 on 10/7/11

More likely a lie promoted by Kathy!

There are 2 defensible views on baptism.

One that it basically replaces circumcision as a sign of the covenant, the other as a profession of faith that only an adult can partake in.

While Biblical scholars can understand both viewpoint, the differences need be tolerated as both are equally defensible.

Admit it, if you were raised Baptist, then you would advocate adult baptism, if raise Lutheran, you would promote infant baptism.

In any case, either view is NOT an essential doctrine of Scripture.
---lee1538 on 10/7/11


Ruben //Calvin believed everything taught in the Bible,Including that Mary stay a virgin:

The Bible is very clear that Mary had other children and theologians knowledgeable of Greek agree with this.

Mt 13:55 Is not this the carpenters son? Is not his mother called Mary? And are not his brothers James and Joseph and Simon and Judas?

So sorry, but the Greek word for brothers here can only be translated as natural brothers or sisters. If it meant something else, certainly Bible translators would have translated it differently.

Sure, but you said 'Calvin taught everything in the bible', and he taught Mary had no other children.
---Ruben on 10/7/11


Ruben //Calvin believed everything taught in the Bible,Including that Mary stay a virgin:

The Bible is very clear that Mary had other children and theologians knowledgeable of Greek agree with this.

Mt 13:55 Is not this the carpenters son? Is not his mother called Mary? And are not his brothers James and Joseph and Simon and Judas?

So sorry, but the Greek word for brothers here can only be translated as natural brothers or sisters. If it meant something else, certainly Bible translators would have translated it differently.

Roman Catholics have to impose a different meaning onto these verses as their doctrine is not always derived from Holy Writ.
---lee1538 on 10/7/11


Ruben //Calvin believed everything taught in the Bible,Including that Mary stay a virgin:

The Bible is very clear that Mary had other children and theologians knowledgeable of Greek agree with this.

Mt 13:55 Is not this the carpenters son? Is not his mother called Mary? And are not his brothers James and Joseph and Simon and Judas?

So sorry, but the Greek word for brothers here can only be translated as natural brothers or sisters. If it meant something else, certainly Bible translators would have translated it differently.

Roman Catholics have to impose a different meaning onto these verses as their doctrine is not always derived from Holy Writ.
---lee1538 on 10/7/11




Calvin believed in infant Baptism, and stated he himself was regenerated/born again at his own infant baptism.


A LIE FROM HELL!
---kathr4453 on 10/7/11


StrongAxe,

Let's go back to Exodus. God commanded Moses to return to Egypt for a purpose, to set His people free. Exodus 4:21,"And the LORD said unto Moses, When thou goest to return into Egypt, see that thou do all those wonders before Pharaoh, which I have put in thine hand: but I will harden his heart, that he shall not let the people go."

Did Moses know of God's plan to hardened Pharaoh's heart? Of course. Did Moses have the same attitude as you? NO! He went knowing that God was going to destroy Pharaoh and set Israel free. And just as I believe God is not going to save everyone, does it mean I stop preaching the Gospel? NO! Because that's what Christ commanded His disciples to do, preach the Gospel.
---christan on 10/7/11


Rocky, what Poppa Bear said, "you are saved by grace, not by any of your works" is very Scriptural. Ephesians 2:8,9 "For by grace are ye saved through faith, and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast."

But you say, "That should be "saved by grace and not works alone. Huge difference." Indeed a huge difference and totally unscriptural. You're a works monger wedging salvation by works.

Verse 10, "For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them." The good works by the Christian is merely what God has predestined for him to do.
---christan on 10/7/11


Calvin is not listed in the Bible, thus he is not impeccable. His theology had some horrible errors in it which is why I do not listen to anything he has to say. I go straight to the Bible. If Calvin preaches what the Bible says, why do we need him to guide us? We don't need him, really, at all.

It is the Holy Spirit that teaches us what the Bible says, not John Calvin. To put his theology above Scripture is idolatry at best.
---Dean on 10/7/11


If you would take the time and make the effort to read Calvin's Institutes which has been the guiding light for Protestant faith for the past 5 centuries lee1538//

Well maybe for protestants, however not for CHRISTIANS.

Some idiots actually believe there were PROTESTANTS in
the first 15 centuries....

No, there were Christians that the RCC murdered. Paul and the Apostles were not PROTESTANTS.

So leej, you actually believe no one had faith or could understand salvation until CALVIN came around...

GET REAL!!! Even Wycliff/ Huss lived hundreds of years b4 calvin.
---kathr4453 on 10/7/11




Calvin believed everything taught in the Bible,

---lee1538 on 10/7/11

Including that Mary stay a virgin:

Helvidius displayed excessive ignorance in concluding that Mary must have had many sons, because Christs "brothers" are sometimes mentioned.

(Harmony of Matthew, Mark and Luke, sec. 39 [Geneva, 1562], vol. 2 / From Calvins Commentaries, translated by William Pringle, Grand Rapids, Michigan: Eerdmans, 1949, p.215, on Matthew 13:55)

Including Mary the Mother of God:

She [Elizabeth] calls Mary the mother of her Lord This denotes a unity of person in the two natures of Christ,... at the same time, the eternal God (Harmony of the Synoptic Gospels, comment under Luke 1:43, ibid., vol. 45, 35)
---Ruben on 10/7/11


you are saved by grace, not by any of your works
---Poppa_Bear on 10/7/11
That should be "saved by grace and not works alone". Huge difference. Actually faith, love, works and grace are a package deal.
Mat_16:27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels, and then he shall reward every man according to his works.
Rom_4:16 Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace,
Rom_5:2 By whom also we have access by faith into this grace
Rom_6:15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
---Rocky on 10/7/11


Mark_V.* Ruben, to show a person has free will you say,
"Yes, Jesus said in verse 35 "he who comes to me" and " he who believes in me"."
s that had free will, but were, "All that the Father gives Him" (v. 37) and all those whom God gives Him,

Mark, you have to come and believe in him, when you do then the Father gives to him(Jesus)

Mark_V.* Then you gave (v.66) to prove that some left. But those that left were none of those the Father gave the Son.

Scripture never says that, but they were call disciples.

Mark_V.* Otherwise they would believe by faith and follow Him.

Why did Jesus then turn to the Apostles and gave them a choice?
---Ruben on 10/7/11


Perhaps you view yourself as a female Don Quixote charging windmills.
That was funny, and wrong as well, repent brother or the wrath of the board will consume you like a roring fastback Mustang! We are always so serious, can we put a smile on here, smiles that arent condescending, myself guilty as well. That was funny though. There has to be more than sneers and tears here. It is scary for me to witness how brutal were on here, in the name of God and the Bible of course. They will know us by our love for one another. Internet anonymity isnt a reason for theological thrusts or righteous rampages with biblical billyclubs covered in barnyard bobwire. That has a nerve-racking tone to it, LOL. Smile somebody.7x70
---Poppa_Bear on 10/7/11


Now you show me a verse in the Scripture to back up what you claim is the man's "free-will".
---christan on 10/6/11
Duh, how about the whole Bible? Is it not a record of the people making decisions and God punishing them for their decisions? If those were not their decisions, the result of free will, why did God condemn and punish them?
---Rocky on 10/7/11


Kathr, all Calvinist believe in the whole Bible, that is why they are Calvinist. If you became a Calvinist you would know the Truth and you would not rejecting that it is God who does the choosing. You said,
"Christan, scripture is STEEPED with verse after verse about man's free will." Can you provide one passage that says humans have free will to choose Christ? The passage in 1 Cor. 9 speaks nothing of the free will, only that Paul was preaching the gospel willingly. But if he spoke the gospel against his will then there is no reward.
I can show you many that says that you are saved by grace, not by any of your works. I can also show you when and for what reason God chose us. Do you want to know the Truth? Ask God.
---Mark_V. on 10/7/11


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kathr4453//Do Calvinists believe THE WHOLE BIBLE or just certain verses?

If you would take the time and make the effort to read Calvin's Institutes which has been the guiding light for Protestant faith for the past 5 centuries you would come to realize that Calvin believed everything taught in the Bible, including foremost that God is sovereign and can do whatever He pleases with His creation such as calling to salvation those whom He wills to be saved and raising up Esau and Pharaoh, and others for His glory (Romans 9).


I wish you could come to understand that. Perhaps you should sit down with your minister and receive some counseling.

Perhaps you view yourself as a female Don Quixote charging windmills.
---lee1538 on 10/7/11


I'm giving away $1,000,000 to every person that shows up at my house between now and the end of the year. All you have to do is show up.

Any takers?
---kathr4453 on 10/7/11


christan:

If that is the case, then why bother preaching the gospel to anyone, since everyone who God wants to be saved will end up being saved anyway?

If we have no choice in the matter, it is useless to exhort anyone to believe, since they will believe if God wants them to, and disbelieve otherwise.

We might as well just close up our churches, put away our bibles, and sit around until the Last Day when we get to see whether or not we're lucky enough to have winning lottery tickets.
---StrongAxe on 10/7/11


Ruben, to show a person has free will you say,
"Yes, Jesus said in verse 35 "he who comes to me" and " he who believes in me"."
Do you know who are those that come to Him? they are not persons that had free will, but were, "All that the Father gives Him" (v. 37) and all those whom God gives Him, "by no means are cast out" None of those pasages speak of man's free will. It speaks of what God the Father does, and what God the Son is going to do for those the Father gives Him. He will never cast them out.
Then you gave (v.66) to prove that some left. But those that left were none of those the Father gave the Son. Otherwise they would believe by faith and follow Him.
---Mark_V. on 10/7/11


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2 Peter 3:5
For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:


Christan, scripture is STEEPED with verse after verse about man's free will. Even Jesus had free will BUT He came to do the Fathers will. He clearly taught us,through His own example, NOT MY WILL BUT THINE BE DONE!!

1 Corinthians 9:17
For if I do this thing willingly, I have a reward: but if against my will, a dispensation of the gospel is committed unto me.

Do Calvinists believe THE WHOLE BIBLE or just certain verses?
---kathr4453 on 10/7/11


John 6:64_67 "But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him.
And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.
From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him.
Then said Jesus unto the twelve, Will ye also go away?"

He knew who believed, yet He asked the twelve, Will ye also go away?
Did they believe? Of course, they even confessed so in 6:68_69.
Some did not believe to start, and an example of one who betrayed.
Unbelief and betrayal are not the same.
Parable of the seeds? Never, for awhile, forever? Will you stay?
---Nana on 10/7/11


StrongAxe, you say "...this does not necessarily mean that everyone who calls comes willingly." Let Scripture contradict your understanding here,

John 6:37 "All that the Father giveth me shall come to me, and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.", 39 "And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

Does Jesus declaration here sound like whom the Father has given to Him will be lost or not even go to Him? NO!

Now you show me a verse in the Scripture to back up what you claim is the man's "free-will".
---christan on 10/6/11


Christan, thank you for being so gracious in accepting my apology. I believe that the bible teaches election/predestination as well, but I only like to discuss it within the context of expounding on Gods Sovranty because election can be so difficult for some to sort through in a short setting. When a large chunk of time/weeks can be devoted to exploring the doctrine it is much more productive because it has to be a systematic study that encompasses many foundational aspects of Gods attributes and Salvation. For me, once I embraced it, it left me in aw over Gods awesomeness. Before anyone starts pointing their pistils at me, I am just making a comment, not trying to unfold the doctrine in this blog.
---Poppa_Bear on 10/6/11


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Poppa Bear, I too make many mistakes in my life and I know there will be many more to come till the good Lord takes me home. There's no harm done here.
---christan on 10/6/11


John 6:45 "It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me."
Romans 1:19 "Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them, for God hath shewed it unto them."

John 3:19_21 "And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God."

PS
Ruben, StrongAxe and Rocky, excellent inputs!
---Nana on 10/6/11


Christan, I am truly embarrassed, pleas except my apologies. I do not go by another name, but after this bit of humble pie I may have to, no I am just joking I have used this name for many years. I do feel bad, calling you out on the carpet over a foolish mistake, again I am sorry.
In His loving grip
---Poppa_Bear on 10/6/11


Did Christ declare that the man has a "freewill" to go to Him?
---christan on 10/6/11
Did he declare that man does not have a "freewill"? Did he say if the man was hungry, or his coat was brown? Since it clearly is written "man", does it exclude women? Will no women be raised in the last day?
---Rocky on 10/6/11


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christian:

While it is true that no-one can come to Christ unless the Father calls him, this does not necessarily mean that everyone who calls comes willingly. Some may refuse the call, or come, and then choose to leave. This IS free will.

If we had no free will, why bother teaching anyone anything at all, since we would all be puppets on God's strings? God would not need to tell us not to kill (for example), he would just stop us from doing so. He would not need to command us to worship him - he could just make us do so.

But he doesn't. He tells us to do things, and then we have the choice to do them or not.
---StrongAxe on 10/6/11


John 6:40 "And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: "

"All that the Father giveth me shall come to me, and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out." "No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day."

Did Christ declare that the man has a "freewill" to go to Him?
---christan on 10/6/11

Yes, Jesus said in verse 35 "he who comes to me" and " he who believes in me". He even lets you walk away " After this many of his disciples drew back and no longer went about with him." v66
---Ruben on 10/6/11


Nana,

John 6:40 "And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day."

You will say that it's without exception because you believe in "freewill".

But if you bother to read verse 37, Jesus declared, "All that the Father giveth me shall come to me, and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out." And confirming this later in verse 44, Jesus declared "No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day."

Did Christ declare that the man has a "freewill" to go to Him?
---christan on 10/6/11


Poppa Bear, I never posted any reply to you in this particular blog under "Parts of Bible Not Applicable". You must have mistaken someone else for me. Unless you are carrying forward from another blog, I have no idea what you are implying that I have said to you here. Do you have another name that you use? Hmmm....
---christan on 10/6/11


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And such was the problem your founders who brought doctrines not found or taught within the early church.
---lee1538 on 10/5/11
like what?
Before you start posting foolishness, there were seventh day BAPTIST before seventh day adventist so SDA did not introduce the sabbath.

THE ONE AND ONLY doctrine introducted by SDA is the one found in Daniel, and Hebrews :
Daniel 8:14 And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days, then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.
Hebrews 9:23 [It was] therefore necessary that the patterns of things in the heavens should be purified with these, but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these.
---Francis on 10/6/11


Poppa Bear, why did you answer Christan with your response? I have not seen one quote from him to you on this blog. Is this something from another blog you are resonding to?

I believe just as you do on this subject blog. We do need a lot of information when the Spirit gives us the passion to learn, and He will guide us to all Truth. He has equip many through the centuries to provide for us things we would never learn otherwise. Writers who provide us with books on Hebrew and Greek to help us. Even the ones who are poor in learning, will know the Truth if God has given them the faith to believe.
---Mark_V. on 10/6/11


The ultimeate commandment is LOVE. It encompasses the two commandments spoken of by Jesus. The two commandmemts encompasses the ten commandments. The ten commandments encompasses the 613 laws of Moses. If you love me, you will obey me said God to the Israelites. If you love me, you will obey me said Jesus. Love encompasses everything. It is genuine (that is g-e-n-u-i-n-e) LOVE that will get you into heaven.
---Steveng on 10/5/11


Christan, perhaps you can try not to acknowledge me on here? Again, you are addressing a post that I addressed to another and you have unfortunately taken it out of context and put some type of CNN spin on it. I am saturated with concordances, I believe in many tools to help understand the bible, I believe in gifted teachers and preachers. I believe in systematic theology, expository teaching, commentaries and a plethora of other resources that I believe help us to grow in a greater knowledge of our Lord.
We can talk in heaven and I will be content by that, because here on earth we are speaking two different languages. 70x7
---Poppa_Bear on 10/5/11


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It's actually silly to get hung up on doctrinal disputes. Love God and love your neighbor as yourself. If you follow those commandments, and truly change your way of living to comport with them, you should be fine and be obeying all the rest. Continue reading the scriptures, and other good books, for information, edification, and inspiration, but dont get hung up on the small stuff. Rely on love and the Spirit to guide you in all things. If you are busy doing the positive things, living large with love, you will have little interest in or time for sin.
---Rocky on 10/5/11


\\I DID say we cannot rely on the all-black-and-white idea that the everything outside the Bible is 0% God's revelation\\

Precisely.

For example, WHERE in the text of the Bible is a list of the books of the NT?

Don't say "In the Table of Contents," as these did not exist in the original mss. They are just another tradition and precept of men.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/5/11


Nurseroberts, Christan never mentioned what believers are to apply to his life today compare to those in the Old T. What he gave was'
"It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God." Matthew 4:4 & "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works." 2 Timothy 3:16,17
Keywords here are, "every word" and "all scripture"."

He was speaking about the word of God.
To answer your question, as a believer, you should know what applies to you today.
---Mark_V. on 10/5/11


Poppa_Bear:

You said without the need for concordances, but without those, we would not have an English Bible.


christan:

I never said we are doomed. I DID say we cannot rely on the all-black-and-white idea that the everything outside the Bible is 0% God's revelation. Even to this very day, there are disputes over just WHICH books should be included in the Bible (i.e. apocrypha or not?). In both testaments there were good and false teachers and prophets. The one constant is to use discerment to see what is true (see Philippians 4:8).

Also, where do you get the idea that I flatter myself? I am no different than anyone else here. I just quoted KJV and a Greek New Testament.
---StrongAxe on 10/5/11


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Francis //1 Corinthians 5:11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner, with such an one no not to eat. do not apply?

All New Covenant teachings apply to the Christian walk. Included is the command to avoid those who bring division to His church.

Ro 16:17 I appeal to you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and create obstacles contrary to the doctrine that you have been taught, avoid them.

And such was the problem your founders who brought doctrines not found or taught within the early church.
---lee1538 on 10/5/11


\\"So, do I get to do it??\\

If and only if you fulfill the requirements for the executioners Jesus gave in John 8.

** That's why in the NT, we know now that the Word became flesh**

You don't think that this is a metaphor for saying that Jesus perfectly embodies everything in the Bible, do you?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/5/11


"So, do I get to do it?? What part of scripture relieves me of this duty?" Nurse Robert"

The Sabbath was a shadow of our Lord Jesus Christ till the fullness of time came. To the Christian only, he now finds his rest in Christ by faith, because Christ came to fulfill the law on his behalf. Do you believe this?

And if one does not believe in Jesus Christ, indeed he will be "put to death". SImply put, that's the will of the Father.

The OT concealed the NT and the NT revealed the concealment of the OT. That's why in the NT, we know now that the Word became flesh and with the Epistles, we now know the revelation of all the concealment.
---christan on 10/5/11


Whatever parts of the Bible help us to be kinder and more loving and patient human beings are applicable. You decide.
---God.is.everywhere on 10/5/11


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"Keywords here are, "every word" and "all scripture"."
---christan on 10/4/11

John 3:15"That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life."

Keyword here is "whosoever" without exeption.
---Nana on 10/5/11


Keywords here are, "every word" and "all scripture".
---christan on 10/4/11

Christian, Exodus 35:2: Six days shall work be done, but on the seventh day there shall be to you an holy day, a sabbath of rest to the LORD: whosoever doeth work therein shall be put to death. (emp added)

So, do I get to do it?? What part of scripture relieves me of this duty?
---NurseRobert on 10/5/11


The focus of this question as to what is not applicable to Christians should be on what decisions were made at the Jerusalem council Acts 15.

Acts 15:19-20 Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God: But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.
---lee1538 on 10/5/11
And these parts 1 Corinthians 5:11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner, with such an one no not to eat.

do not apply?
---francis on 10/5/11


The focus of this question as to what is not applicable to Christians should be on what decisions were made at the Jerusalem council Acts 15.

Acts 15:19-20 Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God: But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.

While allowance was given to accommodate Jewish convictions, no distinctive Jewish laws were asked of Gentile converts. Unfortunately many of our legalists friends think we should observe the Jewish Sabbath and the dietary laws- neither taught in the early Gentile church nor in the New Testament.
---lee1538 on 10/5/11


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deffenately i do, so does anyone else Cluny, that was my point that everyone sees a special hidden truth in the word of God. naturally the error comes that some believe that their way is the only orthodox way so they then conclude that they are the select elect saved whilst everyone else, who doesn't worship their way will be lost.
---andy3996 on 10/5/11


by the way Cluny, it would be wise of you to see what people respond to, instead of just responding on nhalf a word. when you make this kind of error, your critisizing is in a rather immature way. not the Cluny i'm used to.
---andy3996 on 10/5/11


//since Strongaxe continuously interprets the bible homself personally//.
STRONGAXE CLUNY POPPA BEAR, what i meant with this frase is

however strongaxe personally interprets the bible himself. maybe i did wrongly frased my sentence first time over, wasn't trying to offend. i appreciate everyone's input even when i can not always agree with everyone all the time
---andy3996 on 10/5/11


//since Strongaxe continuously interprets the bible homself personally//.
STRONGAXE CLUNY POPPA BEAR, what i meant with this frase is

however strongaxe personally interprets the bible himself. Maybe i did wrongly frased my sentence first time over, wasn't trying to offend, only wanted to point out to Strongaxe that we all need to interpret the word personally as well.

i appreciate everyone's input even when i can not always agree with everyone all the time
---andy3996 on 10/5/11


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\\since Strongaxe continuously interprets the bible homself personally.
---andy3996 on 10/5/11\\

And you, of course, NEVER interpret the Bible yourself personally, right,?

From God's mouth to your ears--is this what you're saying, andy?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/5/11


Popa Bear, actually Strongaxe did make a point, we couldn't read the bible in our native tongue without the work of translators. nevertheless he didn't understand your input as well since Strongaxe continuously interprets the bible homself personally.
---andy3996 on 10/5/11


Strongaxe, I am not sure what's going on, but what does your comment have to do with anything I have said? I haven't referenced anything remotely close to what youre talking about unless I am way off the mark somewhere which is always a possibility, GRIN.
Adieu, In His loving grip
---Poppa_Bear on 10/4/11


StrongAxe,

According to you, we are all doomed as we do not know Greek or Hebrew to believe and understand the Scripture. You exalt yourself and not the Holy Spirit. The Christian understanding comes from Him - be it in English, Chinese, Greek, Hebrew or any other language.

Should we all then burn the King James Version or any of the other English language Bible that's been translated from the original Greek version?

You flatter yourself when you say, "or trust some translator who himself has done the same. And both of those sources are extra-biblical." I'm sure you are implying yourself in this matter.

Honestly, I rather trust the Holy Spirit who's my teacher and comforter.
---christan on 10/5/11


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Mike, did you explode before the end if my answerr?
because there was a second part that dealt with this. as i said you've been listening too much to the wrong kind of preachers then?

there are those that give tithes as an act of faith as well, i'm one of them, and no i do not give to wrong teachers. at least i try not to. but that does not make Christ's teachings upon the subject invallid (or do you want to claim jesus robbed people)
---andy3996 on 10/5/11


Poppa_Bear:

In Matthew 22:39, Jesus did not say "love thy neighbour as thyself" in English. He is quoted as saying "agapeseis tou plesiou tou os seauton" in Greek.

In order to get "love thy neighbor as thyself" from this, you either must know Greek, or use a dictionary/concordance, or trust some translator who himself has done the same. And both of those sources are extra-biblical.
---StrongAxe on 10/4/11


Steveng said The best thing to do is only read what Christ has taught without the need for concordances, Christian dictionaires, novels, etc. and you won't go wrong. I am saying this in love, not condescendingly, if that were the case then we wouldnt have been provided with a body of believers who possess the gifts of teaching-preaching. Just these two gifts contain many abilities and talents that God has anointed for those gifted to excel in areas such as , languages, logic, discernment, faith, oratory, leadership, compassion, literary skills and many other traits that are used to exhort the body to a greater knowledge of the Lord and his plan of salvation.
In His loving grip
---Poppa_Bear on 10/4/11


christian:

Yes, every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God, but there is no list of just which words those are. Scripture contains no table of contents.

Also note that these words are an addition to bread (i.e. excluding other things), because there are other things we live by as well. There is bread - but there is also meat. There is the Bible - but there are also secular books that are useful. (If you are stranded in the desert with a broken down car, a mechanic's handbook can save your life).

And yes, All scripture is given by inspiration of God, but this is not the same as Everything except scripture is not inspired by God.
---StrongAxe on 10/4/11


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//Is this question purposely meant to stir up strife, or be productive and help people to grow in the faith?//

faith in whom?

Poppa Bear this is a christian site run by christians.

the question is it Jesus Christians or ultimately Michael Christians. the more time that you spend on here, i think you will think the latter.
---aka on 10/4/11


\\The only reason the RCC sanctioned these books - officially in the 1500 at the Council of Trent - was their attempt to support their view on purgatory.\\

The books of the Bible, specifically the OT, never became an issue in the West until the time of the Reformation, when some of the Reformers, based on post-Christian Jewish teaching, rejected them.

This has NEVER been an issue in any of the Eastern Churches.

Furthermore, every, major English translation of the Bible included them UNTIL the NASB of sometime in the 60's.

BTW--did you know there is no mention of purgatory in the books you call Apocrypha?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/4/11


The best thing to do is only read what Christ has taught without the need for concordances, christian dictionaires, novels, etc. and you won't go wrong.
---Steveng 10/1/11
It's a shame but none can read what Christ actually taught. He probably spoke mostly in Aramaic, but we have no record of his words in Aramaic or Hebrew. The earliest manuscripts of the NT are in the language of a foreign culture, Greek, and were recopied many times. Comparisons of early texts have identified many differences, some assumed to be simple copying errors and others additions by the scribes. Further most people read it translated into a third language, English here, as translated in many different versions using different base texts.
---Rocky on 10/4/11


andy

stingy? 2 peter 2:1-3 said they will say anything & everything TO GET your money.

and god told adam even before he sin that HE will pick the fruit god provided. proverbs said diligence work. sowing & reaping are action work

and i guess you believe mike murdock, benny hinn, copeland that when you give $100 it will be $10,000.
I guess all those who lost their jobs just sit down give their tithe & god will give them jobs.

it's all right for pastors to be paid $100s of thousands even millions but they tell you to be contented. that is not teaching that's hypocrisy.
thank you very much
---mike on 10/4/11


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//My original 1611 KJB and Orthodox Bible has these books in there, so modern day Protestants have a altered Bible, full of holes.

Like St. Jerome stated, these extra biblical books are good for teaching but no doctrine should be derived from them.

The only reason the RCC sanctioned these books - officially in the 1500 at the Council of Trent - was their attempt to support their view on purgatory.

I am unfamiliar with what the Eastern Church believes as far as a pre-heaven is concerned. do they have a place where one must be purified prior to entering heaven or do souls simply go to hell or heaven directly?
---lee1538 on 10/4/11


"What parts of the Bible are not applicable to Christians?" jerry6593

Are you really serious with where you are going with this or trying to imply? We are instructed in the Bible,

"It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God." Matthew 4:4 & "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works." 2 Timothy 3:16,17

Keywords here are, "every word" and "all scripture".
---christan on 10/4/11


we are to give sacreficially. That surely does not mean I give so I can get back a bunch. I give because it is the right thing to do. God has always taken care of me. My prosperiety is in heaven. Just think a mansion, street of gold, worship, singing and all He has for us that we can't even imagine. That is truly prosperiety.
---shira4368 on 10/4/11


mike, there are two possible reasons why you answer this way
1. you too stingy to give to God so you need an excuse whay not to give

2. you've been listening to the wrong preachers too often so you can no longer understand true prosperity teachings.

for you sake i pray it's the second. allready in other bloggs different people have have explained to you between the two teachings and more specifically the difference between legalistic tithes and faith tithes. so no use in going deeper in this subject again.
Cluny the laws you quoted where concerning the Camp of Israel, and warfare. are you in a situation like this? i assure you these rules are verry pleasant isn such a situation.
---andy3996 on 10/4/11


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tithing. most of the time you hear to give 10% & you will be blessed
how? money will come down from heaven?
give your $100 seed & you will receive $10,000 in return

how can you do ALL things through christ who strengthens you when you don't have the skill

self denial- if christians say that christianity is a RELATIONSHIP, how can you develop relationship when christianity tells you to DENY YOURSELF.

christianity DOES NOT TEACH preach WORK anymore.
sowing & reaping like a farmer
sharpening your skills
BE A PERSON

but christianity will find a way to say 'that is a sin'
---mike on 10/3/11


\\12Thou shalt have a place also without the camp, whither thou shalt go forth abroad:

13And thou shalt have a paddle upon thy weapon, and it shall be, when thou wilt ease thyself abroad, thou shalt dig therewith, and shalt turn back and cover that which cometh from thee:\\

jerry, do you obey this commandment from Deuteronomy 23, or do you violate it by having an indoor toilet?

Or do you think this is a part of the Bible that does not apply to Christians?

Glory to jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/3/11


Ignatius, we know nothing about Orthodoxchurch you know little aboutprotestantism. Rejection of apocryha isnt protestant. However we dont establish doctrines upon deutero canon books(litterally second to canon).

Every orthodox branch may accept or reject different apocrypha As well. It depends what church you attend. Still all Christianity accepts all the 66canon. protestants do not nessecarely reject tradition, only traditions that are in blunt contradiction to the canon of GOD. Guido de bress wrote in his Belgic confession how to use the apocrypha.

Protestants didnt really say anything different then the ancient churches upon deuterobooks, with this difference, we practice what we say
(read Jerome upon the apocrypha)
---andy3996 on 10/3/11


Cluny: Actually, I said 'in spirit'. A law like that was requered when contamination from the blood could be damaging, cause infection, etc etc. In our day that is not a problem any more, but 'in spirit' could include avoid others when I have a bad cold, to aviod them catching the cold, or things like that. The realy reason for the period law I don't know, but I suspect it was a health regulation.
---Peter on 10/3/11


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The laws requiring husband and wife to sleep separately during her period are among the laws that jerry thinks no longer apply.

\\HOWEVER, they ARE applicable in spirit\\

I wonder how jerry spiritually applies that one.

BTW--this is the second time he's asked this question.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/3/11


Jerry: Sections of the OT law are not applicable literally. HOWEVER, they ARE applicable in spirit - there are special requerements about ceremony, which are not applicable, for we are to seek WHY the law was made. Look at Deut 22:8 (put a barrier around your roof) - the reason is so no-one falls off the roof. That is summed up in 'not guilty of bloodshed'.
---peter on 10/3/11


Is your baptism IN JESUS or IN MOSES?.

1 Corinthians 10:2 "and all were baptized into Moses".

The word "bible" is not a divinely inspired word and scripture is NOT a spiritual authority. It did not hang on the cross or suffer the crown of thorns, etc....the book felt no pain. Jesus said that..."ALL AUTHORITY in heaven and on earth" had been given to Him (2 Timothy 3:16 says that scripture was "INSPIRED BY" Him and is useful for "MILK"/"training" in preparation for "solid food" devotion).

Jesus believers need only be concerned with "Christ and Him crucified" (the "doctrine of Christ" gospel of salvation).
---more_excellent_way on 10/3/11


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