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I agree with char in his understanding of 'Gehenna'- ' "Valley of Hinnom" the name of a valley outside of Yerusalem that burned continually consuming garbage and dead animals.'

Gehenna was just outside Jerusalem. If you were to investigate the place now, would one still find the fires of Gehenna burning? I think not. So the 'fire that is not quenched' which Jesus referenced to Gehenna at Mark 9:48 was not and is not literal.

What is not quenched is the destructive forces of the fire and worm or maggot found in Gehenna in Jesus' day. 'The judgment of Gehenna' (Mt.23:33) meant total and complete destruction with no hope of return via resurrection. Eternal death.
---David8318 on 10/10/11


Translators transliterated
some Hebrew words into Greek,rather then translated.
Geenna is a transliteration of two Hebrew words gai-mening "valley" and "hinnom",a place name of uncertain meaning.
"Valley of Hinnom" the name of a valley outside of Yerusalem that burned continually consuming garbage and dead animals.
2Pet2:4For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast [them] down to hell,[Tartaroo] and delivered [them] into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment,
[Tartaroo]-comes from Greek Mythology meaning deep abyss and was a place of torment where the Greek gods banished their enemies, a clear case of Greek influence.
The Greco-Roman mind always wants to know the unknown.
---char on 10/10/11


Paul you ask what is meant by "where the fire is not quenched". You are quoting Mark 9:48, 'where 'their worm does not die, and the fire is not quenched' (NIV).

Jesus wasn't teaching literal fire 'is not quenched' anymore than the worm 'does not die'. Rather what 'is not quenched' or 'does not die' is the EFFECT that those destructive forces have on whatever was thrown to Gehenna. The effect was complete destruction with no hope of return. Whatever was eaten by the worm or consumed by fire was gone forever- eternally destroyed.

Saul was commanded to 'DESTROY' the Amalekites (1 Sam.15:3 NIV), not set them on fire for as long as he could. It was to destroy them. I do not equate 'destroy' with eternal life in hell.
---David8318 on 10/10/11


Paul you wrote- 'to think God would punish someone for eternity is unsettling.' Unsettling! It's positively barbaric!!

God commands us not to hold grudges. Are you the type of person who says 'do what I say, not do what I do'! Is that your philosophy?

It's okay for God to say 'Do not seek revenge or bear a grudge' (Lev.19:18 NIV) but okay for God to hold eternal grudges? Is God guilty of hypocrisy?

God is not a hypocrite. God doesn't hold eternal grudges.

The pagan hell-fire doctrine is God dishonouring. Hell-fire is the single most potent force outside the theory of evolution driving atheism today.
---David8318 on 10/10/11


Aka- you write, ''Theos' is used in the NT instead of Jehovah that is used in the OT.' Correct. Despite the fact that Jehovah's name appears in Greek manuscripts, translators have made every effort to have God's name 'Jehovah' removed from their translations of the Greek scriptures.

You also write, ''Hell' in the NT is the word used for Gehenna. 'Hell-fire' is never mentioned in the Bible.' Correct. Just as translators want Jehovah removed, they also remove 'Gehenna' and use 'hell' instead.

So what's your point? You obviously know the truth about the removal of Jehovah's name and the erroneous use of 'hell' or 'hell-fire', but still prefer the false gospel of 'Hell and Damnation' over the truth? Why?
---David8318 on 10/10/11




re my previous post, I only read verses 1-11. Should have read further, seems that the following verses referring to lucifer falling from heaven after exalting self, compared to King of Babylon...
vs 15 also uses 'realm of the dead' as well as 'depths of the pit", and vs 19 "descends to the stones (?) of the pit"
---chria9396 on 10/10/11


Where is this place of torment the rich man was tormented in and ask for a drop of water to cool his tongue?
---Paul on 10/7/11

Jason 1072 and AKA...have done some Berean precept work on subject, thanks.
All Luke 16 is a family parable. Marks and signs to any family.
Beggar was family....representing Northern House put away...destitute of GOD's blessings.

Luke 16:22 ....carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: ...
Luke 16:24
..... Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue, for I am tormented in this flame.

31 He said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.
---Trav on 10/10/11


I don't believe God's vengence and wrath found in the Hebrew scriptures can be equated with hell-fire.
---David8318 on 10/10/11



David

Again, what do the scriptures
mean when they say "where the fire is not quenched"?

And the rich man plainly was in unstoppable torment, and not to any end, which is, at the least, the start of being eternal.

I know where your coming from, to think God would punish someone for eternity is unsettling.

But so is God telling Saul to utterly destroy the Amelakites, which meant women and children.

Which ,IMHO, is comparable to the wicked and rebellion suffering for eternity.

Paul
---Paul on 10/10/11


Jason1072, Yes, Sodom and Gomorrah is still burning. It is the citizens of Sodom and Gomorrah that are still burning in Hell. That is what is meant by that Scripture Verse you pointed out. Does not the word "Eternal" mean what it says? YAHUSHUA (JESUS) said that the Fires (of Hell) will not be quenched. Put 2 and 2 together. "Sodom and Gomorrah suffering Eternal Fire" plus "In Hell...where the Fire is not quenched". Those mean there's an Eternal Fire.
---Gordon on 10/10/11


//Hurry up 75 comments. No mas!!!//

leon, 75 does not necessarily mean the ending of a blog question. there are a few who get to keep posting after a post is "closed."
---aka on 10/10/11




LEON about hellovasituation,

then EXPLAIN THIS TO ME....


how do you ghet those beautifull features on your posts, bigletters, running smilling faces, etcetera.

---andy3996 on 10/10/11


Paul- God's vengence is vastly different to the teaching that God is eternally wrathful.

Yes God has shown his wrath toward wickedness in the OT, without question. But that wrath is not eternal. God's love is eternal. His wrath is expressed toward people who break his commands and/or who attack his covenant people.

I don't believe God's vengence and wrath found in the Hebrew scriptures can be equated with hell-fire. There is no direct link with his wrath to the doctrine of hellfire in the Hebrew scriptures.
---David8318 on 10/10/11


aka: Well put!
---jerry6593 on 10/10/11


My my! The temperature is steadily rising in the heat of fruitless arguments. It's a helluva situation going on here. Hurry up 75 comments. No mas!!!

1.) "The foolish person tries to convince me with his reasons, but, the wise man persuades me with my own." (author unknown)

2.) "This lifes dim windows of the soul, distort the heavens from pole-to-pole ~ and would have you believe a lie, when you see with, not thru the eye." (Wm. Blake)
---Leon on 10/9/11


david, sorry, you did not misquote... I mispoke. you use a small portion of the verse to misrepresent.

//Hell-fire is a false doctrine.//

Agreed.

'Theos' is used in the NT instead of Jehovah that is used in the OT. 'Hell' in the NT is the word used for Gehenna. 'Hell-fire' is never mentioned in the Bible as some keep claiming. it is not even a real issue.

Jesus used Gehenna (aka Hell) as a metaphor to those who will experience eternal punishment. since spirit has no nerve endings eternal punishment or separation form God will probably not include physical fire. However, the metaphor does, which leads to unfortunate attacks and misrepresentation.
---aka on 10/9/11


joseph, "And "Hell from beneath is excited for 'you' [referencing The Spurious messiah] to meet you at your coming: it stirs up the dead for you," Isa 14:9"

As for 'you' referencing the spurious messiah, (seeing that is inserted by you), how did you come up with this, is it on the basis of vs 4, King of Babylon? Can you elaborate?
---chria9396 on 10/9/11


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\\But, the ones I've listed here are legit.\\

That's just your OPINION.

I prefer St. John Chrysostom's opinion.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/9/11


The Hell most often referred to in the bible is Sheol (OT) or Hades (NT), both of which mean the GRAVE. There is also Gehenna (Lake of Fire), which will be the second death for non-believers. I believe this will be on the earth. The bible says the wicked will be burned UP and will consume AWAY (Psa. 37:20) and will be ASHES under foot (Mal. 4:3). The same will happen to Satan (Ezek. 28:18-19). Their judgment will be ETERNAL, not their burning up. Just as the bible says Sodom and Gomorrha suffered ETERNAL fire (Jude 7). S & G is not still burning is it?? The consequence of that judgment was ETERNAL. I personally find it hard to believe that a just and righteous God would allow a person whom lived a short life of wrong doing to burn FOREVER!
---Jason1072 on 10/9/11


Aka & MarkV- I'm not misquoting Jer.7:31, it's you.

'They have built the high places of Topheth in the Valley of Ben Hinnom to burn their sons and daughters in the fire- something I did not command, nor did it enter my mind'- Jeremiah 7:31 (NIV).

'Burning their sons and daughters in the fire'. Which part of this did God not command?

What do you think God finds detestable- how it was done? Where it was done? Who it was done to?

As far as I am concerned there is no ambiguity in how God feels about burning people. If God finds the practice of burning people in fire detestable, why would He do it Himself?

Hell-fire is a false doctrine. It is not a Bible teaching, but a teaching of the demons.
---David8318 on 10/7/11


\\First locate Heaven. Then look away from it towards the orange lights and the screams of torment.\\

Why should I take my eyes off heaven to cast them elsewhere, Dean?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/7/11


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David

Thank you being civil and not condescending.

We will have to disagree on this one, I believe we will receive an award if we are faithful to the call and a real literal punishment if we do not.

The OT is full of God enacting vengeance on people, if you have an issue with that side of God you will have to take it up with Him.

Paul
---Paul on 10/7/11


David

Where is this place of torment the rich man was tormented in and ask for a drop of water to cool his tongue?

Paul
---Paul on 10/7/11


"There are Scriptural References to the location of Hell."
Point them out Gordon.
The only ones I can find are these vague and ambiguous ones.
"The way of life [is] above to the wise, that he may depart from hell beneath." Pro 15:24
And "Hell from beneath is excited for 'you' [referencing The Spurious messiah] to meet you at your coming: it stirs up the dead for you," Isa 14:9
Biblically, the only given answer to posted question is "beneath". Therefore it is for each of us to determine what that means to us individually. And if what it means to you, Gordon, Is helpful to you, then I say good for you.
---joseph on 10/7/11


Cluny, Take some time to Google-search: Bill Wiese, Jennifer Perez, B. W. Melvin, Carlos Brenes, Rogelio Mills, the 7 Columbian Youths, a young Korean artist with "Pictures from the Pit", and Mary K. Baxter. These are some of the more high-profiled ones. Look them up. Read their testimonies and first ask for the HOLY SPIRIT to truly reveal the REAL HELL to you through these Testimonies. They are real. And, yes, there have been phony ones. But, the ones I've listed here are legit. GOD WANTS people to know not only that Hell is real, but, also how horrendous it is. To see how serious the issue of Sin is. And, how much HE abhors and hates it. And, how severe the Everlasting Consequences of it is. Read with a true desire to know the Truth.
---Gordon on 10/8/11


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Cluny, You said "St. John Chrysostem's opinion on any spiritual matter is always better than yours. Glory to Jesus Christ!" But, that's YOUR opinion. And who really did get "the Glory" in that last comment of yours?
---Gordon on 10/8/11


MarkV., No, I am not speculating. I am not speculating at all. The GOD of the Bible is a GOD Who can do the IMPOSSIBLE. HE can take people to places that no other person can. HE can take any individual HE wishes to the realms of Heaven, of Hell and of the Lake of Fire whenever HE chooses. The True GOD of the BIBLE can travel into the Past and the Future. HE is not limited by Time or Space. There are people who bear witness to their experiences in HELL describe the place which line up with it's descriptions in the Holy Bible. Hell is a LIVING NIGHTMARE. But, the Lake of Fire is worse yet!!!
---Gordon on 10/8/11


Where is hell? Whether the Hebrew "shehole" or the Greek "hades", the meaning of "hell" is the same - a pit or a grave - nothing more, no people alive and suffering. So, there are hells all over the surface (not interior) of the earth.

Another word translated as "hell" is gehenna, the perpetually burning trash dump outside the walls of Jerusalem. It is a figure of the final judgement of the wicked in the lake of fire on earth after the (still future) millenium. Note that no one is now alive in hell as "the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished" (Rev 20:5).
---jerry6593 on 10/8/11


Dean: Orange lights? Are you referring to HELLoween? Great numbers of people are really "into" the annual celebration of this satanic high holy day "wherein" HELL raising/praising is practiced with religious fervor (HEAT).
---Leon on 10/8/11


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First locate Heaven. Then look away from it towards the orange lights and the screams of torment.
---Dean on 10/7/11
*****

good ole Dante quotes I see

fact is Holy Scripture is VOID of this idea

dead are REALLY dead they are silent ...lying hell-fire false ministers reason away SILENT to have ANOTHER meaning ...like so many other words are twisted and distorted to mean something ELSE so the false ministers of Satan can SELL hell purgatory and other non-scriptural "places"

Hells address is Hell, PO BOX Hell on Wheels, Hell in a Hand Basket, HELL 00666

seeing hell is not a PLACE in Holy Scripture it has several meanings the hell where the dead reside is simply THE GRAVE
---Rhonda on 10/8/11


Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin [is] death, but the gift of God [is] eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Hell will be in the fire that lands on sinners at the last judgement.

Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

How can hell be fire if it is cast into fire?
---Samuel on 10/8/11


I saw the following and thought the question was for me, but its a different chria (5543, Im 9396):
"...right here on earth." Interesting view Chria

I dont believe as chria5543 does.


---chria9396 on 10/8/11


It would be a good idea to forget the word hell

In some bibles it is used to describe both the lake of fire and also the grave, which some people falsly call a spiritual underworld

Gehenna is the lake of fire and no one goes there until after they are resurrected, except the beast/false prophet and satan

Sheol/Hades is the grave, where people go when they die, and remain unconcious until the resurrection
---glen on 10/9/11


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First locate Heaven. Then look away from it towards the orange lights and the screams of torment.
---Dean on 10/7/11


\\GOD has also sent people, both saved and unsaved, to Hell and back to give testimony of the place.\\

Can you please tell us who among the saved have been to hell and returned to tell about it, Gordon?

What have they said? And how can it be verified?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/7/11


\\Cluny, You're just agreeing, then, with ANOTHER MAN'S OPINION. Right? St. John Chysostom said that it was HIS OPINION. \\

St. John Chrysostom's opinion on any spiritual matter is always better than yours.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/7/11


Joseph, DREAM ON.
---Gordon on 10/7/11


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MarkV, I will tell you straight. There are Scriptural References to the location of Hell. In the Scriptures. But, GOD has also sent people, both saved and unsaved, to Hell and back to give testimony of the place. And, to testify of the Scriptures. If you, or anyone, wishes to mock this, and claim that GOD would not do such a thing, then, do some more research on GOD. But, the witnesses are out there. GOD takes people to both Heaven and Hell and back, at HIS timing, for HIS Holy purposes! Google search Hell. Get with GOD on this. Time to stop this scoffing. HELL is worse than what most people think!!!
---Gordon on 10/7/11


"...THE TONGUE is a little member, and boasts great things. Look, how great a matter a little fire kindles! [ON THIS BLOG]
...the tongue is a fire, a world of iniquity: so is the tongue among our members, that it defiles the whole body, sets on fire the course of nature ~ and IT IS SET ON FIRE OF HELL."
James 3:5-6
---Leon on 10/7/11


'What is worse then death? Eternal punishment' (Paul 10/6/11).

Paul- I agree there is an 'eternal punishment', but why hell-fire if Hebrews 10 doesn't mention hell-fire? It is your indoctrination into the pagan hell-fire teaching that makes you assume it can only mean one thing- 'hell-fire'.

The eternal punishment I believe the Bible teaches is to eternally 'die'- Heb.10:28. More 'severe' for Jewish Hebrews who'd converted to Christianity than for the Jews under the Mosaic Law- Heb.10:26-28.

For Christians to 'sin willfully' and 'trample' on Christ would receive a 'more severe' Judgment at the 'hands of God' than for those under the Mosaic Law who had not yet seen the Messiah- Heb.10:26-31.
---David8318 on 10/7/11


"Where is hell?" Within the tormented mind of man bounded by, and in bondage to it's carnality. Hell is the discouragement, sorrow & apprehension that grips the soul of man due to a perceived lack or insufficiency, or a fear of lost concerning a perceived abundance. It is a fire of burning desire that consumes the mind dictated to by it sensual perceptions, constantly tormented by a lust to achieve & accumulate the luring passions of the world. Resulting in a toiling, frustrated moral compremise, yet never fully satisfied. Nor can be. The only other hell that exist, to my knowledge, is death and the grave, as the place and state of the dead.
---joseph on 10/7/11


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Gordon, the same question you ask Cluny I give to you because you said,

"The fact IS" is that Hell is inside the Earth. And, this Earth will burn up and pass away some day. And, GOD will create a NEW HEAVEN and a NEW EARTH."

Where is the Scripture to proof what you said is, as you say, "a fact?" Where did you get that from? From within yourself or some book other then the Bible? Where does your facts come from? Aren't you speculating? Something not found in Scripture?
---Mark_V. on 10/7/11


\\Did he reference any kind of Scripture? \\

As I've said, St. John Chrysostom invented expository preaching.

You don't get the point, do you?

Just WHY do you want to know where hell is?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/7/11


Cluny, You're just agreeing, then, with ANOTHER MAN'S OPINION. Right? St. John Chysostom said that it was HIS OPINION. Did he reference any kind of Scripture? NO. Not from what you quoted of him. So, it's from this man's opinion that you get your own belief regarding where Hell is located! So, how is that any different than what I was saying? As if, TO YOU, I was "wrong" in everything I said about Hell. But, YOUR SOURCE knows not where Hell is. It's just his OPINION. Not his factual knowledge! The fact IS is that Hell is inside the Earth. And, this Earth will burn up and pass away some day. And, GOD will create a NEW HEAVEN and a NEW EARTH.
---Gordon on 10/7/11


I Totally agree Shira.My question is, Why are people so concerned with "WHERE" hell is? In my opinion, people's biggest concern should be like Cluny said, AVOIDING GOING THERE. Many here don't believe in a literal hell,fire & brimstone. My advice to you is to not be fooled. Don't stick your head in the sand & pretend every things better in hell than you've been taught. The devil would love nothing better than for you to be deceived. Read God's word & pray for God to help you see & accept the truth of His Word. Much better to be safe than eternally sorry.Psa. 9:17 Matt. 13:42, 50
---Reba on 10/6/11


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//Appears Aka, Paul & MarkV agree burning people in fire is ok as long as its not children.//

you like to say silly things for the effect of dominance. but, actually, it does the opposite.

the tactic of quoting half-scripture works on some because they are spiritually lazy or they look to man's reasoning to go other "logical" ways. i pray one day that you are delivered from the latter.

NWT 23:33 Serpents, offspring of vipers, how are YOU to flee from the judgment of Gehenna?
---aka on 10/6/11


David
In Hebrews to despise Mosses law meant death, so how much worse punishment are those thought worth of who abuse Christ sacrifice.
David, what is worse then death? Eternal punishment, still laughing my friend.

And Mark 9:34- "The fire that shall never be quenched" is speaking of the grave, cmon.

The problem with you is that you reject the BIBLE as being Gods true Holy Word.

You default technique is to attack the BIBLE and attempt to evoke some other source.

Just accept it for what it says.

Paul
---Paul on 10/6/11


Hell is where God put it and where He enlarges it. He must be having to really enlarge it.
---shira4368 on 10/6/11


Paul assumes Hebrews 10:28-31 is speaking of hell? Where in Hebrews 10 does the apostle Paul teach that God sends people to an eternity in hell-fire? If anyone transgressed the Law of Moses, they would 'die', not be kept alive forever. Keep on laughing Paul.

If Paul reads Mark 9:43-47 from a Greek interlinear, Jesus used the word 'Gehenna' and not the word hell which many translators use to promote the pagan hell-fire doctrine.

As already highlighted, Jehovah found the practice of sending people to burn alive in the Valley of Gehenna detestable, something 'not in his heart' and had not commanded- Jer.7:31. Jesus did not contradict this.

Jesus' use of Gehenna symbolised complete destruction with no hope of return- Mt.10:28.
---David8318 on 10/6/11


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Ruben- the 'reward' at Eccs.9:5 which the dead no longer receive I believe is the reward they used to get when they were alive. Their life and work as a living person would procure 'a reward' or 'wages'. Now dead and 'returned to dust', the memory of them forgotten- there is no longer a reward.

So while alive, 'Whatever your hand finds to do, do it with all your might, for in the grave, where you are going, there is neither working nor planning nor knowledge nor wisdom'- Eccs.9:10.

However, Jehovah remembers the dead and he will resurrect many to a Heavenly reward- Mt.5:12, and many to a resurrection to life on Earth- Mt.5:5

Thus I do not believe the reward at Eccs.9:5 is referring to the 'Heavenly reward'.
---David8318 on 10/6/11


"COOL"

(G3:8, Lk. 16:24)

What was that about when God asked Adam, "Where are you?"? (G. 3:9) No doubt, God knew! Was it just a question of physical locality or one addressing Adam's spirit condition, i.e., "death", disconnect from God? Would you agree, Adam & Eve found themselves in one helluva situation? Such is the state (plight, predicament, pit fall) of humanity ever since.
---Leon on 10/6/11


David, When I answered you kindly it was because you gave Jeremiah, and gave the wrong meaning. He did not detest hell in Jeremiah, but the sacrificing children to Baal, and other gods. He never told them to do that. Their punishment was worse. The same goes for all who rebell against Him, and profane His name, who murder others, there will be hell to pay for what they have done. You prefer God to just annihilate them which involves no pain. But they will feel the pain for it will be everlasting. Cruelty involves inflicting a punishment that is more severe or harsh then the crime. God is incapable of inflicting cruelty unjust punishment. The Judge of all the earth will surely do what is right. No innocent person will suffer at His hand.
---Mark_V. on 10/6/11


Gordon: I never said the spiritual realm was less real than the physical. In fact the more I grow in Christ the more real it is. What I did say was that it is different and we can not assign a physical location to the spiritual places, either heaven or hell.
To answer the person that thinks God is wrong for casting the unredeemed into everlasting fire please remember that He gave the live of His only begotten Son to provide an escape. All they have to do is believe and accept his lordship.
---Harold on 10/6/11


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There are two symbolic locations of hell in Israel. Caesarea Philippi is known as the gate to Hell. There is a naturally occuring whirlpool as the water comes out of the mountain. You would throw your sacrifice into the whirlpool. If it was taken down the gods accepted your sacrifice. During ancient times this was a child sacrifice spot. The other symbolic spot was the trash pile outside of Jerusalem that Jesus described.
---scott1 on 10/6/11


Promoters of the pagan hell-fire assume Jeremiah 7:31 refers to 'child' sacrifice. That is their assumption. Does Jeremiah tell us how old they were?
Hellfire promoters ignore the part of Jeremiah 7:31 which detail how 'sons and daughters' were sacrificed. They were 'passed through the fire'. They were put into fire while still alive. The whole practice of burning people, 'sons and daughters' with a view to killing them is detestable to God. Appears Aka, Paul & MarkV agree burning people in fire is ok as long as its not children.

Hellfire teachers want us to believe God not only sends people to burn in a hell, but to keep them alive forever to experience this pain & torture. What a horrid wicked 'God' these people believe.
---David8318 on 10/6/11


Andy3996 fleshly mind cannot comprehend God's love. His understanding of God's love ends when his pagan hell indoctrination takes over.

This is clearly demonstrated in andy's comment, 'how did Jesus preach to a bunch of eternal unconsious ones?' (andy3996 10/5/11)

Who said they were 'eternally' unconscious? I didn't. I believe in the resurrection! Where do the scriptures say Jesus must preach to everyone, dead or alive? Andy's fleshly thinking cannot grasp Christ's sacrifice is not just for the living, but also for those who have died and 'returned to the dust'.

Thus, 'there will be a resurrection of both the righteous and the wicked'- Acts 24:15 (NIV).

'But the wicked are burning in hell!' shouts the pagan.
---David8318 on 10/6/11


Thus, while ancient false religions believed in eternal torment,the Israelites however believed that 'All go to the same place, all come from dust, and to dust all return'- Eccs.3:20 (NIV).
---David8318 on 10/5/11

Already explained eternal torment...just read Jeremiah yourself.

Ecclesiastes 12:7 (NIV)
and the dust returns to the ground it came from, and the spirit returns to God who gave it.

seems the Israelites also recognized spirit.
---aka on 10/5/11


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Casting humans alive into fire is something abhorrent & detestable to God, an activity 'not in His heart'-
---David8318 on 10/5/11

So I suppose God is simply a God of love and has no wrathful side at all, you may want to see Heb 10 28:31, or was that one removed at will as well?

What was Jesus referring to in Mark 9 :43-48?

Your JW non-sense truly is laughable.

I suppose their is no Heaven either and the grass is not green nor the sky blue, I yeah yeah

Paul
---Paul on 10/5/11


is not all spirit in a holding pattern until the day of judgement? Paradise, Hades

Rev_20:15 And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.

Seems like "hell" is a future destination.
---aka on 10/5/11


\\So, will you please, then, tell us all here where Hell really is? Otherwise it's simply your words against mine.\\

Please see my initial post.

I have nothing to add to what St. John Chrysostom, the inventor of expository preaching, said.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/5/11


//'not in His heart'- Jer.7:31, 19:5, 32:35.

Jer 7:31 And they have built the high places of Tophet, which is in the valley of the son of Hinnom, to burn their sons and their daughters in the fire, which I commanded them not, neither came it into my heart.

what was not in Jehovah's heart was child sacrifice in high places like Tophet in the valley of the son of Hinnom (Gehenna)

Jesus' use of Gehenna was to compare the spiritual pain to those who reject the Truth as those sacrificed in the valley of Gehenna.

jer 19:5, 32:35 also child sacrifice in high places of Baal in the same valley.

know the words and the Word shall know you.
---aka on 10/5/11


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Harold, The Spiritual Realm is more tangible and "physical" than the physical world we see and live in today. The Spiritual substance is just as real as the present physical matter that we can now see and touch, except that it lasts forever. Our spiritual bodies, in both Heaven and Hell, are more real. The 5 senses are hightened in these two places. Which makes Heaven more enjoyable and Hell that much more unbearable. The Spiritual world is being unjustly minimized by some people. They assume that because it's called "spiritual" and the Spiritual is presently invisible to us, that then, they assume, that it must be "less tangible". That is the furthest thing from the Truth. The Spiritual World is MORE REAL!
---Gordon on 10/5/11


Cluny, You're so certain that all that I said was "wrong". So, will you please, then, tell us all here where Hell really is? Otherwise it's simply your words against mine.
---Gordon on 10/5/11


And Yhwh said, For fire is kindled in my wrath, and will burn to the bottom of hell, and will consume the earth and its increase, and set on fire the foundations of the mountains. And they will go forward, and look upon the carcases of the humans that have transgressed against me: for their worm will not die, neither will their fire be quenched, and they will be an abhorring to all flesh. And the smoke of their torment ascends up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night. And whosoever was not found written in the book of Life was cast into the lake of fire. Dt.32:22+ Is.66:24+ Rev.14:11+ 20:15. Please Read- Mt.25:41-46.
---Eloy on 10/5/11


For the Christian, he believes in the Kingdom of God by faith, though he has yet to see it, but because of the gift of faith from God, he sees God's kingdom. He has hope through faith which God the Father has promised him in Jesus Christ. And not only does he believe in heaven, he also believe that there's a place called the Lake of Fire, prepared for the reprobates, in those whom God never loved. And when the Day of the Lord comes, the Christians will remember the Song of Moses.

The reprobates simply mock at the existence that has been prepared for them when Christ returns. They are merely doing what God has predestined them to do - mock at His warnings. This is simply call, unbelief. Just like Adam and Eve did from the beginning.
---christan on 10/5/11


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Heaven and Hell are both creations of God, that exist on the spiritual realm. The Bible teaches that the lake of fire will burn forever. It also teaches in Revelation that the physical realm will be destroyed. The very elements will melt with a great heat. If the 1st and 2nd heaven, earth, and all physical creation is destroyed then hell, the lake of fire, can not be in a know physical location. Stop looking for in in this realm. If hell is not real, then where will Satan who is an angel and cannot die, spent eternity.
---Harold on 10/5/11


\\It's a gaseous or liquid form, I don't remember which. \\

Wrong. The core of the earth is a solid nickel-iron sphere.

\\But, around that sphere of heated substance is where Hell is. \\

Wrong again. Hell is a reality, to be sure, but not an earthly one.

\\YAHUSHUA (JESUS), at His Death, descended to the "heart of the Earth", which was THEN both the Tormenting Hell and "Paradise". \\

Wrong the third time.

Other than these three mistakes, you're right on target.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/5/11


David, you twisted the passages in Jeremiah. you said,
"Casting humans alive into fire is something abhorrent & detestable to God, an activity 'not in His heart"
The activity they did was sacrificing children as a burn offering to Baal"
Complete different meaning then what you said.
God was going to do worse to them for what they did. God was going to make that place disolate and give them plaques and He says to them,
"And I will cause them to eat the flesh of their sons and the flesh of their daughters, and everyone shall eat the flesh of his friend and in the siege and in the desperation with which their enemies and those who seek their lives shall drive them to despair"
---Mark_V. on 10/5/11


We make our own hells right here on earth.
---God.is.everywhere on 10/5/11


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David the Israelites however believed that 'All go to the same place, all come from dust, and to dust all return'-
so you confound the physical death with spiritual death?

also the JW's are too carnal to see a spiritual hell?

how did Jesus preach to a bunch of eternal unconsious ones?
---andy3996 on 10/5/11


Where is hell? Hell is found in ancient Egyptian, Hindu, Jain, Buddhist and Zoroastrian religions.

The ancient Egyptians believed in the immortality of the soul, and they had their own concept of the afterworld. The New Encyclopedia Britannica states: 'Egyptian funerary texts depict the way to the next world as beset by awful perils: fearsome monsters, lakes of fire, gates that cannot be passed except by the use of magical formulas, and a sinister ferryman whose evil intent must be thwarted by magic.'

Thus, while ancient false religions believed in eternal torment, the Israelites however believed that 'All go to the same place, all come from dust, and to dust all return'- Eccs.3:20 (NIV).
---David8318 on 10/5/11


Amen, Cluny!!!
---Reba on 10/5/11


I consider Hebrews 12:29 > "For our God is a consuming fire." Fire can burn what is trashy in nature, and rubber tire of those who are wheeling and dealing and burning out . . . burning rubber can make quite a stink.

But if you use the same fire to roast a chicken, this is yummy and with a nice aroma.

And you can sit around a campfire and enjoy love, or lurk like a predator in the dark, afraid of that loving fire.

So . . . hell is the effect of love on an anti-love person's nature, maybe. People can get so burnt about just the idea of forgiveness.
---Bill_willa6989 on 10/5/11


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David8318 * the dead are 'unconscious'- Eccs.9:5.

It also says "neither have they a reward any more"

if it is absolutely true that the dead 'have no futher reward' why all the NT verses about rewards (Mt 5:12, Rev 22:12, etc..etc)?

David8318* To Jesus' listeners, they would have known what 'Gehenna' meant. It wasn't eternal torture,

And Jesus listeners would know that 'Gehenna' was a place that burn night and day!

David8318* Casting humans alive into fire is something abhorrent & detestable to God, an activity 'not in His heart'- Jer.7:31, 19:5, 32:35.

But it was in his heart to destory all who were against him in the OT, go figure!(Gen 15:41, Deut 1:41, Prov 20:18,etc..etc..)
---Ruben on 10/5/11


Hellfire of eternal torment and damnation does not exist. The idea is a pagan Egyptian myth.

Everlasting life is a 'gift' given only to righteous ones who exercise faith in Christ- Rom.6:23. Prior to this 'gift', the dead are 'unconscious'- Eccs.9:5.

Jesus used the word 'Gehenna' which many promoters of the pagan hellfire doctrine have changed to read 'hell' in their Bibles at Matthew 5:22,29,30, 10:28, 18:9, 23:15,33, Mark 9:43-47 and Luke 12:5.

To Jesus' listeners, they would have known what 'Gehenna' meant. It wasn't eternal torture, but eternal destruction with no hope of return.

Casting humans alive into fire is something abhorrent & detestable to God, an activity 'not in His heart'- Jer.7:31, 19:5, 32:35.
---David8318 on 10/5/11


"...right here on earth." Interesting view Chria. Are you saying the spirits (ghosts) of physically dead people are trapped in the earth realm? If so, are they the only ones trapped (held captive)? What about the physically embodied but spiritually dead (unregenerated, not "born again") people living on earth today?

So, you got jokes Iggie? Have you ever heard of a place called Lago (HELL)? Where is it? :)

That's traditional religious mythological goobledygook Gordon.
---Leon on 10/5/11


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