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Carla, you forgot to mention Mother Teresa. She was really sinister!
---John.usa on 2/1/12


John.usa, that is not true...Why would God save anyone who does not believe? or who will follow the Antichrist? So be worried for them! and pray that their eyes be opened..for with out Christ, there is no saving!!!
---a_friend on 2/1/12


It is only your belief that you have the right god of many possible choices or none.

It's not a matter of flipping a coin. It more like a roulette wheel with an infinite number of slots.

So you must believe that everyone else in the world who believes in another god than yourself will be tortured forever in Hell. that is a sad sad worldview.
---atheist
There is only one true God, the one who gave his son so that we might live...all the other so called gods, are false gods..the devil loves it when people believe in the false ones.
---a_friend on 2/1/12


Carla, just think, it took an athiest to bring Truth. Don't you know how sick that is? Thanking the Holy Spirit for Athiest. Antichrist, anti-God. Both working together in a schem. What religion are you from?
---Mark_V. on 2/1/12


It took an Atheist to confirm the scripture that puts the Christianity doctrine to death
---Carla on 2/1/12

Fortunately for us Gentiles, you completely missed this verse but Jesus did not:

John 10:16 "I have other sheep, which are not of this fold, I must bring them also, and they will hear My voice, and they will become one flock with one shepherd"

I may not be of the Lost Sheep of Israel but I am definitely His lamb and I know His voice.
---Mark_Eaton on 2/1/12




PRAISE YHWH:

It took an Atheist to confirm the scripture that puts the Christianity doctrine to death Trinity, Christ-mass Paganism, celebrations of birthdays, lilly pure white jesus(Cesare Borgia)YESHUA Easter instead of passover
The lost sheep of Isreal... Thank you Holy Spirit for revealing this lost message...

Germans, Americans, Englishman, Frenchmen of Evil lies and deception(Leviticus Priests) Changed the order of the written word to hide who the real lost sheep of Israel are!

Who are the lost sheep?

Atheist, learn who is the vertical YHWH... not horizontal Gods of western society who doctored it to suit their thieving, greedy lifestyles .
---Carla on 2/1/12


God is no respecter of persons. He only cares about those whom will obey him and do his will, all whom diss him are not graced by him. That is why it does not matter whether you are Jew, Greek, African, Caucasian, Chinese, Malaysian, Russian, Indian, et cetera. For we all have the same One blood, and the same freedom of choice to either cleave to Jesus and obey him onto eternal life, or else be antiChrist and dis him onto eternal damnation. When a soul becomes born-again, they have put on Christ of the tribe of Judah, of the seed of Abraham, and heir of the promise of God.
---Eloy on 2/1/12


Who are the lost sheep of Israel? Know your roots. Let's do the research: Israel is the surname of Iaakob, whom was from Izhak, from Abraham, from Terah, from Nahor, from Serug, from Reu, from Peleg, from Eber, from Shelah, from Arpachshad, from Sem, from Noah, from Lamech, from Methuselah, from Henoch, from Iered, from Mahalaliel, from Kenan, from Enosh, from Seth, from Adam, and from Adam is which all people sprang. Therefore the lost sheep of Israel is every human being, all qualify since all came from the loins of Adam: "God has made of One blood all nations of people for to dwell upon all the face of the earth." Act.17:26.
---Eloy on 2/1/12


Atheist, you've got a point. I see you know your Bible after all! :)
---John.usa on 1/31/12


There are to be two resurrections.

The first is when Jesus returns and the dead in christ shall rise and the living shall rise together with the dead.

The second is after the thousand year reign of Christ when all the other dead shall rise and be judged from the Book of Life according to their works.

Blessed are those that rise in the first resurrection.
---Steveng on 1/31/12




For those of you who beleive that everything today is the way it always was...

Have you not read that things will will be like no other time in history? Have you not read that disasters will intensify and be greater in number? Have you not read the simile of the woman in labor pains when the pain come closer together you know the end is near?

For those of you who do not believe we are living in the end times at this very moment are in denial because you are affraid of what is about to happen because your faith is weak.
---Steveng on 1/31/12


John,

"I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel." Matthew 15:24

Most of us don't qualify.
---atheist on 1/31/12


Atheist, according to my Bible, God is the savior of all humanity. So Paul writes anyway. Somehow God will save everyone eventually, even you. So I'm not worried about your soul one bit.
---John.usa on 1/31/12


It is only your belief that you have the right god of many possible choices or none.

It's not a matter of flipping a coin. It more like a roulette wheel with an infinite number of slots.

So you must believe that everyone else in the world who believes in another god than yourself will be tortured forever in Hell. that is a sad sad worldview.
---atheist on 1/31/12


atheist, I am not taking a chance. I know whom I believe and am persuaded that He is able to keep that which I committed unto Him against that day. Just think....if you are wrong and you are wrong, you will be in hell forever and ever and ever. You are the one taking the chance...not me.
---shira4368 on 1/31/12


Shira,

Imagine that you believe in a wrong or false god?

You are taking that chance.
---atheist on 1/31/12


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Carla, what you said is true but that has been going on for centuries and centuries. Nothing has changed. There has been monster rulers all through history, and earthquakes. In fact just before the Church joined together, paganism, heathenism and worship of gods was the normal thing. Incest and child abuse, and sacrifices, adultery, were normal also. It could be that Second Coming of Christ won't be for many more centuries. No one really knows, but sin has been around from the beginning and the world has been changing all through history as far as earthquakes.
---Mark_V. on 1/31/12


One thing is certain, is the times and my guess in judging the moment, season changes, Children are certainly having children. Men and women are loving themselves more than God. The trend is not to get married. plenty of Wars and rumours. earthquakes and such. So what do you think the only other things now are the one world order, Mk of the beast, 3 yr tribulation,two witnesses YESHUA's 1000 reign the tribulation and a lot of other things, sun red, rivers to blood,stars falling from the sky,rivers turning to blood, scorpions with lionhead that sting ya for 5 months, beasts raising up something of that order lol
---Carla on 1/30/12


athiest, just imagine if you are wrong about Jesus Christ. You will end up in hell forever...are you willing to take that chance?????
---shira4368 on 1/30/12


What proof is there that atheist exists? Could it be that the words that are seen having a word atheist, evolved from a "big bang" out in space, billions of years ago, and the words and sentences that are seen have evolved into being..I jest...get some learning atheist.
---Eloy on 1/30/12


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Atheist, there is more historical evidence that Jesus lived than Alexander the Great, Plato, Socrates and many others.
Adieu
---Poppa_Bear on 1/30/12


But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness, but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. 10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
---Phyla9965 on 1/30/12


No. He is dead. Assuming that he ever lived.

Now Jesus, my Mexican gardener---that another story. Every Friday.
---atheist on 1/29/12


At one point, Jesus even said He Himself did not know when He would return (Matt 24:36 and Mark 13:32). I understand that's about 'the end of the 'generation'', but that connects with Jesus' return.

If Jesus Himself did not know, better we don't try to guess!
---Peter on 1/27/12


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This thereupon know, that in final days the people will be mockers, desecrating speakers, unholy, slanderers, not lovers of good, stubborn, puffed up, pleasure-lovers rather than God-lovers: and of these turn away from. Blessed be you all when that malign you, and will persecute and say all evil word against you, lying falsely, on account of me. Rejoice and raise high, that the bonus plenteous yours in heaven: for so they persecuted the prophets, them before you. Enough that the disciple the person be as one's Master, and the servant as one's Lord. If they called the Lord of the house, beelzebub, how much more them of his household?" Please Read- Jn.15:20.
---Eloy on 12/26/11


Is Jesus coming back soon?


---George on 10/9/11

I hope so. Because, I'm sick of almost all people looking down on their phones and using acronyms for complete sentences. Twenty years ago, you could have decent conversations. As of today, almost half of the world's population everywhere you go looks down on their ipod phone. The 21st century is degenerated.
---old-school_Saint on 12/19/11


It's clear Jesus comes back when he destroys the beast, but when that will be is another thing

I believe the last 3 1/2 years will come quite suddenly, and people in that time will have to ready beforehand because if they aren't they will take the mark and will become deceived and completely unaware of christs return
---glen on 10/21/11


Glen I agree. To me it does not really matter when Jesus is coming back because you can meet your maker at any time. Jesus may come back next year, or he may come back in a thousand years, but it would not matter if you died tonight.

An evolutionist asked me one time when I thought the world is going to end. I told him I don't know when the world is going to end, but I do know that at anytime in the next 70 years YOUR world is going to end. And when it does, you better not be found dead without Jesus Christ.
---Jed on 10/20/11


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Reba, you are right, this topic of Eloy should never come out but it has for two or three years now. I suppose it comes out when he calls someone not saved or when he claims he is a sinless God. Or when he speaks bad about his wife. I will do my best not to bring it up again. He is who he is. And by talking about him will not change him anyways. Only God can do that. So I leave you peace.
---Mark_V. on 10/20/11


Fair point Jed

I guess my main point is that most christians will have died by then and we do not generally know when we will die
---glen on 10/19/11


Comment on 'Jesus never had to clean a dirty toilet'

OF COURSE HE DID

The 'dirty toilet' was the sins of the world.

At the end he said the worst thing anyone could have to say 'why have You forsaken me' - much worse than any worldly toilet available
---Peter on 10/19/11


\\Eloy, of all the people on line, I wonder why you open yourself as a target. .. you say, your the light Jesus saw on the Cross, your sinless, your a prophet, you were seating next to God on the throne at Judgment Day pointing a finger at your wife so that God can condemn her for what she did to you, . ..... You are a good guy I know,\\

These things you mention are not the acts or words of a "good guy" or even one of sound mind, MarkV.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/19/11


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no one has got under my skin as Eloy did a long time ago. He is the only person I ever heard say, Jesus never had to clean a dirty toilet like he did. For someone to speak against what Jesus suffered for our sins, and compare his life because his wife left him, been worse then Jesus pains and suffering really got to me. But much later, I learn to forgive him. I still answer his twisted answers but I do not feel the same about him. I'm not shocked there is people like him, but I didn't think I would find one here on CN. And not shocked his wife left him either. We only hear a little, just think what his wife heard everyday.
---Mark_V. on 10/18/11


More Gossip I see.
---Rena on 10/19/11


MarkV, I just now noticed your comment on what Eloy said about having to clean a dirty toilet since his wife left. Uh... let me see if I can shed some light on an obviously, already opened, stinky can of worms here.... Could that statement be possibly saying that ONLY women should haveta clean dirty toilets??? Really charming words guys...Talk about needing a "FINISH IT HERE" Blog...YIKES:-/// Oh well, cleaning a few dirty toilets never hurt anyone, quite possibly made them better people for having done so:-))) Now, I have no idea what any of this has to do with the price of tea in China,(or this blog) but that's that. Nuff said:p))
---Reba on 10/19/11


Glen, don't you think you may be splitting hairs? I don't see how there could be any difference in the meanings of "at an hour you think not" or "when you least expect it". The English language a few centuries ago was vastly different from what we speak today. We no longer say "Come hither", we now say "Come here". We no longer say "From whence cometh thou?" we now say "Where did you come from?" We understand that these different phrases mean the same thing.
---Jed on 10/19/11


i thought i should point out that in the kjv and youngs literal, it says "at an hour you think not" the son of man comes - not "when you least expect"

very different wording there

Most christians will have died by the time christ comes - those from the past and the future, and no one knows WHEN they will die

Those words were for all christians not just those in the end times

When we die - we are no longer "thinking"

Think about it!!
---glen on 10/19/11


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Strongaxe, you are right. A sister answers questions very harshly about others when it concerns wives having problems with man. I believe a few here have caught on to that too. Thank you brother, take care and peace.
---Mark_V. on 10/19/11


Mark_V.:

Sometimes those who percieve that God has dealt with them harshly (for example, as he did with Job, by allowing evrything he loved to be stripped away) cannot concieve of God dealing with other people in anything other than a similar harsh manner.
---StrongAxe on 10/18/11


Strongaxe, I've heard thousands of answers on CN and no matter the topic and those who speak to me very bad, no one has got under my skin as Eloy did a long time ago. He is the only person I ever heard say, Jesus never had to clean a dirty toilet like he did. For someone to speak against what Jesus suffered for our sins, and compare his life because his wife left him, been worse then Jesus pains and suffering really got to me. But much later, I learn to forgive him. I still answer his twisted answers but I do not feel the same about him. I'm not shocked there is people like him, but I didn't think I would find one here on CN. And not shocked his wife left him either. We only hear a little, just think what his wife heard everyday.
---Mark_V. on 10/18/11


Jesus will also come back when you least expect it. The story of the 10 virgins 5 of which run out of oil and "I come like a thief in the night, keep watch".
---Scott1 on 10/17/11


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Yes, I am a prophet and I have heard his trumpet blowing many years ago, and even now it comes closer to that day.
---Eloy on 10/13/11
So we know what you mean by "close", what is the absolute latest that it could possibly come?
--Rocky on 10/13/11
Come on Eloy what does close mean? Will if DEFINITELY happen within 10 years? 50 years? 100 years? 500 years? What does "close" mean?
What have you prophesied about?
--Rocky on 10/14/11
Speak up Eloy, don't be shy. Tell us.
---Rocky on 10/17/11


Mark_V.:

Eloy does not care that he makes himself a target, or what others think of him. If they disagree with him, they are obviously lost. While it is good to not be deterred by naysayers when you know you are right, it is a bad thing to close your mind to just correction from others. Since Eloy believes himself incapable of error, he closes himself to correction.

I found 7 blogs here where Eloy lists URLs to his two home pages (and I am curious how, since posting URLs is forbidden by site rules). The pages are are almost identical, with a picture at the top that does not look like any picture of Jesus I have seen before, so I presume it is a picture of Eloy. The file name on one of these is "I and the Father are one".
---StrongAxe on 10/16/11


//Eloy, how can your profesy about something that is already in the bible. How utterly amazing.
---shira4368 on 10/14/11
I believe Eloy gives himself too much credit and really needs God to show him what He can do with those that are humble and not puffed up.
---lee1538 on 10/14/11


Eloy, of all the people on line, I wonder why you open yourself as a target. I know you know by doing that you will be critized when you say, your the light Jesus saw on the Cross, your sinless, your a prophet, you were seating next to God on the throne at Judgment Day pointing a finger at your wife so that God can condemn her for what she did to you, and many more, and you know how many will answer but you still do it, and I wonder why you do. Then ask them to go to your website. Do you want them to find out more of who you are? You are a good guy I know, I have seen great answers from you, for prayers and other advice. Or we not good enough to discuss anything with you? Help us understand you Eloy. Many here want to be friends with you.
---Mark_V. on 10/15/11


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Yes, I am a prophet and I have heard his trumpet blowing many years ago, and even now it comes closer to that day. The sad part is, most souls will not be ready.
****

and the sad part is many souls will be DECEIVED by LYING false prophets
---Rhonda on 10/15/11


Eloy, how can your profesy about something that is already in the bible. How utterly amazing.
---shira4368 on 10/14/11


Yes, I am a prophet and I have heard his trumpet blowing many years ago, and even now it comes closer to that day.
---Eloy on 10/13/11
So we know what you mean by "close", what is the absolute latest that it could possibly come?
--Rocky on 10/13/11
Come on Eloy what does close mean? Will if DEFINITELY happen within 10 years? 50 years? 100 years? 500 years? What does "close" mean?
What have you prophesied about?
---Rocky on 10/14/11


"and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age," Jesus says in Matthew 28:20. Now we could literally interpret this to mean that Jesus is only with "lo" (c:

He says He will come "immediately after the tribulation of that time," > see Matthew 24:21-31 > and it appears that Jesus means "tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be." He will come "after" this, and I have not seen such great tribulation unlike "ever". World wars and Hiroshima and Nagasaki have been worse than now, and Jesus has not come "immediately after" those.
---Bill_willa6989 on 10/14/11


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//"One needs realize that in every crowd you will find at least one joker!
For those who believe themselves to be God's prophet, much can be said about mental health."
---lee1538 on 10/14/11

...bears the false witness of the condemned sinner to the sanctified saint.
---Eloy on 10/14/11


The word "quickly" (ref: Rev.3:11+ 16:15+ 22:7,12,20) referring to Christs return indeed means "soon", for he spoke this word of promise over 2,000 years ago, and one day to the Lord is equal to one thousand years to man. Those days will be shortened- Mt.24:22.+ Mk.13:20+ Lk.21:20,27,28. His coming is near- Mt.24:32-35+ Mk.13:28-31+ Lk.21:29-33. I will come again. And again, a little while- John 14:3,18,19+ 16:16-22. Unpatient scoffing in the last days- Mt.24:48-51+ II Pt.3:3-14. How long? A little while- Rev.6:10,11.
---Eloy on 10/14/11


Revelation 22:6_7 And he said unto me, These sayings are faithful and true: and the Lord God of the holy prophets sent his angel to shew unto his servants the things which must shortly be done. Behold, I come quickly: blessed is he that keepeth the sayings of the prophecy of this book.

On account of verse 22:6 "which must shortly be done" I side with James that "quickly" means "soon".

Otherwise,
Has Jesus come back? He came back and was seen after the cross.
Romans 8:10 "And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin, but the Spirit is life because of righteousness."
And, if Christ be in you, what is the wait?
---Nana on 10/14/11


//Yes, I am a prophet ....
---Eloy on 10/13/11

One needs realize that in every crowd you will find at least one joker!

For those who believe themselves to be God's prophet, much can be said about mental health.
---lee1538 on 10/14/11


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James_L:

Jesus did not say "Behold, I come soon". He said "Behold, I come quickly". People often confuse these two terms.

When an event happens soon, there is a small time from now until the start of that event.

When an event happens quickly, there is a small time from the start of that event until the end of that event.

Jesus's return is not soon (after all, we have been waiting almost two millenia already). But it will be quick, as a lightning flash across the sky.
---StrongAxe on 10/13/11


Has any other prophets on this site heard the trumpet? I know when I hear the trumpet, Jesus will be here.
---shira4368 on 10/13/11


He did last May 22 2011. It was not noticed because there were only 4 real Christians in the world!
---abe3 on 10/13/11


Yes, I am a prophet ....
---Eloy on 10/13/11

Whoaaaa.
Yes you are. There are two kinds.
Head kind and tail kind.

Isaiah 9:15
The ancient and honourable, he is the head, and the prophet that teacheth lies, he is the tail.
16For the leaders of this people cause them to err, and they that are led of them are destroyed.

The leaders of this country you've upheld and defended. Yoked with sodomy and abortion. Yes, you are a hole-E profit.
---Trav on 10/13/11


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Yes, I am a prophet and I have heard his trumpet blowing many years ago, and even now it comes closer to that day. The sad part is, most souls will not be ready.
---Eloy on 10/13/11
What do you mean when you say the day is close? So we know what you mean by "close", what is the absolute latest that it could possibly come?
By the way, anyone who believes that Jesus' parables were true stories, and that he "indicated so by detailing real proper names with real places" (see "Can We Believe the Whole Bible Thread" 10/5/11) which is not true, cannot possibly be a prophet.
---Rocky on 10/13/11


Eloy, just for future reference, you are saying you are a prophet? Thanks and God bless.
---Poppa_Bear on 10/13/11


eloy, you don't have to be a prophet to know His coming is getting closer each day. If you were a "prophet", you should be able to tell us "when". On the other hand, I will just wait on the Lord.
---shira4368 on 10/13/11


Yes, I am a prophet and I have heard his trumpet blowing many years ago, and even now it comes closer to that day. The sad part is, most souls will not be ready.
---Eloy on 10/13/11


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\\I guess if soon has already been about 2,000 years, it could just as easily be 4,000 years, or more.\\
---Rocky on 10/9/11


I agree. 2,000 years ago Jesus was coming back soon.

Today, He is still coming back soon.

If He waits another 4,000 years, it will be soon to God...but not soon to humans.

That's why Peter wrote that God is not slow as some count slowness.
---James_L on 10/12/11


\\I guess it is time to cease doing evil and to start doing good. And for some heavy repentance.\\

When is it NOT time for ceasing to do evil, to do good, and to repent?

Repentance, as I've said elsewhere, is NOT a once-for-all event, but a lifestyle, a constant course correction.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/11/11


To be more precise, Charles T. Russell while at the age of seventeen he became a skeptic to the faith his parents followed who were Presbyterian, and followed the teachings of Second Adventist writings of E. White and her writings on death and hell. And in 1870 orginzed a Bible class of six members. And later expressed believes that Jesus would physically return in to the earth in 1914. At this time he became aquaninted with N. H. Barbour who let a group of Adventist who believed Christ return would be spiritual rather then physical. Russell and Barbour jointly published "Three Worlds or Plan of Redemption" The book stated that Christ's second coming began in the fall of 1874.
---Mark_V. on 10/11/11


\\In fact, the anniversary as to when Jesus was to come back to earth was to be 22 October.\\
On May 23 or thereabout, Harold Camping began saying that the end of the world (as opposed to the Rapture) will be on 21 October.
---Cluny on 10/11/11
That is soon. I guess it is time to cease doing evil and to start doing good. And for some heavy repentance. RNOBD.
---Rocky on 10/11/11


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\\In fact, the anniversary as to when Jesus was to come back to earth was to be 22 October.\\

On May 23 or thereabout, Harold Camping began saying that the end of the world (as opposed to the Rapture) will be on 21 October.

Could there be a connection?

\\The founder Charles Taze Russell had as his early mentors the Seventh Day Adventists.\\

To be more precise, CTR was influenced by the Adventist movement, which broke into several denominations, but as far as I can tell, he himself was never SDA (which is the biggest group).

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/11/11


//Is Jesus coming back soon?

This was the loud cry from Adventists back in the 1844. In fact, the anniversary as to when Jesus was to come back to earth was to be 22 October.

Of course, the big big big facesaver was their invention that Jesus went into the inner sanctum in heaven and begin to judge Christians to see who would merit eternal life.

And of course, one offshoot of the Adventist movement was the Jehovah's Witnesses who claimed He came back to earth in 1914 but invisibly to establish His kingdom. The founder Charles Taze Russell had as his early mentors the Seventh Day Adventists.

What is important is whether Jesus came into your life, not when He will return for His church.


---lee1538 on 10/10/11


Please Read Matthew 24. Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?......... 13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. 14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations, and then shall the end come.
---anon on 10/10/11


One way or the other, Jesus will come for all of us:

Either at the moment of our deaths, which is only a heartbeat away,

Or at the Parousia, and no one knows the day or hour.

Glory to Jesus Christ.
---Cluny on 10/10/11


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I'm not convinced Jesus is coming back at all. But if if does, that's okay by me. :)
---God.is.everywhere on 10/9/11


Maybe not soon according to how humans reason.
But definitely soon according to God.
--JamesL 10/9/11
I guess if soon has already been about 2,000 years, it could just as easily be 4,000 years, or more.
---Rocky on 10/9/11


//Jesus said in Revelation, "Behold, I come quickly."//

6x.

tachu

1. shortly, soon
or
2. suddenly
or
3. without encumbrance

why always 1.? considering the amount of years and the first three uses in Rev. why not 2 or 3?
---aka on 10/9/11


They've been teaching the coming of Christ for thousands of years, so I'd say "Yep, you bet'cha. His coming is much sooner now than it was then." It's time to stop putting off getting serious about God. Now's the time to get your heart right with God.
---Reba on 10/9/11


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Jesus said in Revelation, "Behold, I come quickly."

He will he here soon on the FATHER'S timetable, not ours.

In the meantime, it's "Occupy till I come."

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/9/11


Define SOON.

Paul
---Paul on 10/9/11


Maybe not soon according to how humans reason.

But definitely soon according to God.

2Peter 3

v3 Know this first of all, that inn the last days mockers will come...

v4 and saying, "Where is the promise of His coming?"

v8 But do not let this ond fact escape your notice, beloved, that with the Lord one day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years like one day

v9 The Lord is not slow about His promise, as some count slowness...
---James_L on 10/9/11


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