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Do Mormons believe that Jesus is God or even believe that Jesus is the Son of God? Would you vote for Mitt Romney in spite of his beliefs?

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\\They believe that for the most part the Bible is translated correctly, which is why the KJV is still scripture and the Joseph Smith revision is not.\\

1. What part of the KJV does the LDS--Utah church, specifically--not consider translated correctly?

2. Why have they not issued corrections?

3. If their deceased Living Prophet Joseph Smith had such great authority, why is his corrected translation (which goes only through the opening chapters of Genesis) not accepted?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/16/11


The Problem with the term cult is that it has two definitions. The more modern one is a group that follows a Charasibatic leader who seperate themselves from the rest of society. Which is what Joseph Smith did orisinally. But the LDS no longer do.

The second is a relgious group that denies the trinity, the supremacy of Scripture and deies salvation by Grace alone.

Many LDS tell me that their Bible includes the Book of Mormon, Doctrine and Covenants and the writings of the Prophets. Are you saying this is not true Rocky?
---Samuel on 10/16/11


i believe john 4-4 greater is he that is in u, than he who is in the world
---tom2 on 10/16/11


Wrong again Rocky, Mormonism IS a cult. They teach...
---Jason1072 on 10/14/11
So a cult is determined by what some group teaches? And how different it is from Protestantism or what? Is Catholicism a cult? Islam? Atheism? Deism? The Republican Party? The Democratic Party? Evolutionists? The Chess Club? The followers of Ayn Rand? How are you defining what a cult is?
---Rocky on 10/14/11


\\Rocky, Im trying to figure out where youre coming from. You chose to defend a church with cultish beliefs.\\

Correcting misperceptions is NOT the same thing as defending them.

This is a distinction that I've noticed many people here can't grasp, as when they post misinformation--or disinformation--about Roman Catholicism (or Orthodoxy, for that matter), and then criticize me for pointing out their mistaken views.

It COULD be that many Mormons in the pew don't know about certain teachings of Mormonism, such as what Christians call the Virgin Birth of Jesus Christ, Mormons from their deceased Living Prophet Joseph Smith on down, call it that by courtesy only.

But that's another issue.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/14/11




they believe Jesus is the son of God. Voting on Mitt Romney has nothing to do with his chrisitan background. it is up to God to decide if he's a true chrisitan or not. Politics and religion shouldnot and do not mix
---candice on 10/14/11


Marc stated, "LDS believe the Bible AS FAR AS IT'S ACCURATELY TRANSLATED...
Rocky says, "That is not true. They believe that for the most part the Bible is translated correctly."
Now arent these statements the same in content?
Rocky is trying very hard to make people believe the lies of the LDS/Mormon cult that he claims he left because he couldn't believe some of their teachings.
Why is it that so many issues come on CN that are full of lies yet Rocky defends this Cult? He says he has left the LDS. Yea... sure.... and those pink elephants flying around his head are guardian angels.
---Elder on 10/15/11


Rocky...I don't believe you have ever been LDS. And, by the way, that would be Reorganized LDS, not Reformed. You are right. LDS does not use the Inspired Version because they do not own the copyright. I have read the Inspired Version in my search for the "true church." However, I found the True Savior in Jesus and not in a cult. It is sad that an LDS person cannot have assurance of salvation until death according to how their "works" are judged. I have assurance of my salvation now!!!!
---KarenD on 10/15/11


Rocky:

LDS believe the Bible is the Word of God, in as far as it is translated correctly. They also believe the Book of Mormon is the Word of God. However, they do NOT add "in as far as it is translated correctly" to the Book of Mormon, since they take it on faith that it is translated correctly. This puts it on a higher level of inspiration than the Bible, because it makes the Bible a legitimate subject of textual criticism, while the Book of Mormon is not.
---StrongAxe on 10/15/11


why would it matter what a mormon believes when their doctrines contradict majority of Holy Scripture?

mormons choose to be "mormon" just like baptists choose to be baptists ...methodists choose to be methodists and so on

why not choose to believe EVERY WORD from God and follow Christ instead?

As for Mitt Romney True Believers do not vote in the governments of this gods world 2Corin 4:4
---Rhonda on 10/15/11




Joseph Smith was a freemason and many of the temple rituals were borrowed from freemasonry.
---Jason1072 10/14/11
I have also heard that, usually spread by those attacking Mormons. Have you seen both the freemasonry and Mormon temple rituals and know the similarities from first hand observation or are you parroting allegations of others? What do you have against freemasons? Many great Americans have been freemasons: Presidents George Washington, Buchanan, Garfield, Harding, Andrew Johnson, Lyndon Johnson, McKinley, Monroe, Polk, and both Roosevelts, Ben Franklin, John Hancock, Paul Revere, Justice Hugo Black, Generals Pershing and Bradley, and foreigners like Winston Churchill and the King of Britain
---Rocky on 10/15/11


There is no salvation without Joseph Smith, according to literature some Mormons gave me some years back.

But this contradicts Acts 12:4 "there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved".

I would think this LDS claim associating salvation and Joseph Smith also would quality them as a cult.
---Haz27 on 10/15/11


1)LDS believe the Bible AS FAR AS IT'S ACCURATELY TRANSLATED...which isn't that far.
2)Rocky, in LDS-speak, what are 'works'?
---Marc on 10/14/11
1) That is not true. They believe that for the most part the Bible is translated correctly, which is why the KJV is still scripture and the Joseph Smith revision is not. It's really amazing the number of misconceptions people have, without having the slightest inkling that they could be wrong.
2)"Works" broadly refers to the works or acts of ones life, or in other words, leading a righteous life obedient to the God's commandments, including the ones not only to cease to do evil but also those to do good.
---Rocky on 10/14/11


1) You are only admitting to your own ignorance. You either have no idea what a cult is or know very little about the Mormon church. They dont come close to being considered a cult.
---Rocky on 10/14/11

Wrong again Rocky, Mormonism IS a cult. They teach:
1) That there are many gods Book of Abraham 4:3
2) That we can become gods and goddesses D & C 132:19-20 and have spirit babies who will worship and pray to them - Gospel Principles p. 320
3) That God the Father was once a man like us and progressed to become a god and has a body of flesh and bone - D & C 130:22

Continued
---Jason1072 on 10/14/11


Rocky...What about the Inspired Version of the Bible by Joseph Smith?
---KarenD on 10/14/11
What about it? The manuscripts and copyright were the property of the Reformed LDS Church, not the Mormons. The Mormons use the KJV as their Bible "but the explanations and changes made by the Prophet Joseph Smith provide enlightenment and useful commentary on many biblical passages".
---Rocky on 10/14/11


Rocky,

LDS believe the Bible AS FAR AS IT'S ACCURATELY TRANSLATED...which isn't that far.

Rocky, in LDS-speak, what are 'works'?
---Marc on 10/14/11


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Rocky...What about the Inspired Version of the Bible by Joseph Smith?
---KarenD on 10/14/11


Rocky, if you believe Mormons are Christians and not a CULT, you are clearly among those who are deceived.
---Rob on 10/14/11
I am addressing the cult issue in other posts on this thread. How do you define who are Christians and why do Mormons not qualify?
---Rocky on 10/14/11


Teachings of Mormonism (continued):
4) That God himself has a father, grandfather, ad infinitum - Teachings of Prophet Joseph Smith p.373
5) That Jesus, angels, Lucifer, all demons and all humans were originally spirit brothers and sisters - Abraham 3:22-27
6) That eternal life is earned through obedience to all the commands of Mormon Church including exclusive Mormon temple rituals - Gospel Principles p. 303-304, Pearl of Great Price third article of faith
7) Baptism of the dead so that those deceased may enter the Kingdom of God - D & C 124:29-39
Theres much more, but Ill leave it at that for now.

Btw Joseph Smith was a freemason and many of the temple rituals were borrowed from freemasonry.
---Jason1072 on 10/14/11


Does a liar deserve to be our next President of the United States?
Oh come on now!
If a President of the United States cant lie does he deserve to be President?
The truth and you know it is.
---TheSeg on 10/14/11


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Rocky, if you believe Mormons are Christians and not a CULT, you are clearly among those who are deceived.
---Rob on 10/14/11


Because, Rocky, Im trying to figure out where youre coming from. You chose to defend a church with cultish beliefs.
---NurseRobert on 10/14/11
Why is it peculiar to defend someone from lies? I find it peculiar that you don't. Just because I dont believe their teachings why should I overlook people lying about them? Why do you find honesty peculiar?
--Rocky 10/12/11
I defend fellow Christians that I believe are being falsely attacked by others. I am not defending bad doctrine but defending them from others' lies. I would not be a good Christian if I turned my back on them. I still love Mormons as much as Catholics, Protestants, or even non-believers.
---Rocky on 10/14/11


Because, Rocky, Im trying to figure out where youre coming from. You chose to defend a church with cultish beliefs.

They believe: They are the only true church and everyone else is corrupt. (D & C 1:30, Pearls of Great Price 1:19). There are many gods who create and rule over other worlds, (Teachings of Joseph Smith, 346-7. The nature of these gods is the same as nature of man, so these humans had to become gods. (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, 345). Humans were all born to heavenly parents in the celestial kingdom prior to this earthly life (POGP, Abraham 3:2226).

Based on these beliefs (and there are many like these) it's hard to say Mormonism isnt a cult
---NurseRobert on 10/14/11


1) I still believe it's a cult.
2) How can a religion take away the diety of Jesus,
---Donna5535 on 10/13/11
1) You are only admitting to your own ignorance. You either have no idea what a cult is or know very little about the Mormon church. They dont come close to being considered a cult. You should really learn to check out your statements before making false ones like that or hold your tongue about subjects you know so little about.
2) They do not take away the diety of Jesus.
---Rocky on 10/14/11


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multiple children from those wives.
Nursie Roberts on 10/1311
You snuck a new one in. When I read those other links you provided, none said that he definitely had children by any other marriage and some said that it had not been proven. What is your support for this new item?
---Rocky on 10/14/11


Mormons are mormons and have their own manmade writings, but Christians are Christians and we have The Holy Scripture.
---Eloy on 10/14/11
That is a stupid comment because Mormons are Christians too and have The Holy Scripture - the Bible - as well.
---Rocky on 10/14/11


Marc on 10/14/11
The quotations you provided are consistent with what I posted earlier. Mormons believe salvation is a gift of God but that God still requires people to live righteously. To believe otherwise is foolish. Why else did Jesus spend so much time speaking about what was required to lead a righteous life?
So what is your issue?
---Rocky on 10/14/11


Mormonism is definitely a cult...period. They're a cult so Rick Perry lied just to please man. Does a liar deserve to be our next President of the United States?
---Donna5535 on 10/14/11


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Now what are you babbling about? Mormons believe the NT and OT are scripture. They believe in Jesus, that he died on the cross for us, and is the only way to salvation. They believe in faith, repentance, baptism, and the gift of the Holy Ghost. They believe in the literal Bible stories of the creation and the flood. On all of the important topics they believe much the same as other Christians.
(continued)
---Rocky on 10/13/11

Gee, sounds good, so why'd you leave?
---Jason1072 on 10/14/11


One major problem with Mormonism is that many of them use Christian terms, knowing that their definitions are different that mainstream Christianity. That is deception.
---Rod4Him on 10/14/11


Mormons are mormons and have their own manmade writings, but Christians are Christians and we have The Holy Scripture. No, I would not vote for him.
---Eloy on 10/14/11


1
Joh_3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his (only begotten Son,) that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
2
Joh_4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in (truth.)
3
1Co_14:38 But if any man be ignorant, (let him be ignorant.)

Why are you here?
---TheSeg on 10/14/11


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Rocky,

Mormon salvation's by works.

''Grace cannot suffice without total effort by the recipient.'' (LDS Bible Dictionary, p. 697)

President Harold B. Lee:''Spiritual certainty that's necessary to salvation must be preceded by maximum individual effort.''

''One of the most fallacious doctrines originated by Satan and propounded by man is that man's saved alone by God's grace, that belief in Jesus alone's all that's needed for salvation.'' (Spencer Kimball, BoM Student Manual, p. 36)

''Salvation by grace alone and without works, as taught in large segments of Christendom today, is akin to what Lucifer proposed in pre-existence. They both come from the same source, they are not of God.'' (Bruce R. McConkie)
---Marc on 10/14/11


\\Some voted for Jimmy Carter a proclaimed born again Christian and he was about the worst president we ever had. \\

Bush fils ran on his piety, too, remember?

Let's remember we are electing a commander-in-chief, NOT a pastor-in-chief, theologian-in-chief, and much less a propet-in-chief, which last Bush fils claimed to be. Remember when he claimed that God told him to invade Iraq? I'm sure the native Iraqui Christians had definite feelings about that.

He didn't make their lot any better.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/14/11


1) Rocky, the Mormons accept Jesus as the son of God, but they also accept Satan (Lucifer) as the son of God.
2) The Mormons also say that God had a physical body.
3) Do you believe this?
---NurseRobert on 10/13/11
1) I dont know and have no desire to waste time on it.
2) Same here, although I guess God can have whatever body he chooses to have or not have whenever he so chooses.
3) Why does it matter to you what I believe?
---Rocky on 10/13/11


lee1538:

The reason you can't get such a conviction for polygamy is that that state of affairs is legal both in terms of mormon church law (i.e. they are married by a bishop), and by state law (only one woman is legally married, the other is merely cohabiting), and while plural marriage is not legal, there is no law against cohabitation.
---StrongAxe on 10/13/11


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Rocky, the Mormons accept Jesus as the son of God, but they also accept Satan (Lucifer) as the son of God.

The Mormons also say that God had a physical body.

Do you believe this?
---NurseRobert on 10/13/11


Rocky...My friend was born in 1956. Her father was a polygamist. The church did not excommunicate him.
---KarenD on 10/13/11


What is still peculiar with some Mormon families is that you will find a household containing 2 women, one married legally with license from the state and the other married only by one of the bishops.
---lee1538 on 10/13/11
Unbelievable. The lies continue. As stated before, Mormons outlawed polygamy long ago and excommunicate members for practicing it. Some other break-away sects still practice it, but not Mormons. I challenge you to provide the names and location of where a single case of that is happening with Mormons. Its disgusting how people who call themselves Christians can propagate such lies and bear false witness that way. Add one more member of this site to the list of evil doers.
---Rocky on 10/13/11


and sway so far away from scripture
---Donna5535 on 10/13/11
Now what are you babbling about? Mormons believe the NT and OT are scripture. They believe in Jesus, that he died on the cross for us, and is the only way to salvation. They believe in faith, repentance, baptism, and the gift of the Holy Ghost. They believe in the literal Bible stories of the creation and the flood. On all of the important topics they believe much the same as other Christians.
(continued)
---Rocky on 10/13/11


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Donna (continued)
Perhaps the biggest differences are that they spend a lot more time at church than most other Christians, both on Sundays and regularly going other days, emphasize family and family time together, any males and some females give 2 years of their life to go on Church missions, they have a high rate of tithing, and they regularly fast and make fast offerings. By most measures they are better Christians than most other denominations. Look to that beam in your own eye.
---Rocky on 10/13/11


I read news today that one of Warren Jeffs wives has fled/escaped the community. I cant help but wonder what happens to these women.
---Chria9396 on 10/13/11


What is still peculiar with some Mormon families is that you will find a household containing 2 women, one married legally with license from the state and the other married only by one of the bishops. Kids are all over the place. It is almost impossible to get any conviction on the charge of polygamy.
---lee1538 on 10/13/11


This blog was very educational to read because Rick Perry said he does NOT believe Mormonism is a cult, but after reading these responses, I still believe it's a cult. Do you?

How can a religion take away the diety of Jesus, believe in pologamy, etc., and sway so far away from scriputre and think they are correct in their beliefs? I must be naieve.
---Donna5535 on 10/13/11


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Mormons ultimately believe works are what saves you.
---Marc on 10/13/11
They believe, like many Christians, that salvation is a gift given by the grace of God. They also believe, like many other Christians, that God chooses to give it only to those that meet several requirements that he has widely published, such as loving Him, loving others, having faith, repenting for sins, and leading a righteous life (obeying his commandments and gaining a pure heart). Why are so many, on this site and elsewhere, unable to understand the concept that grace can be freely given by God, not "earned" by works, but that he can also require certain things of us in order to gain salvation?
---Rocky on 10/13/11


Rocky, I know you like to quote Wikipedia,
---Rocky on 10/13/11
I quote it because its more objective than most other sites on the net, it contains a lot of relevant facts, and others can easily find and verify what's written. I have no objection to other objective sites. It's unfortunate that this site bans providing web addresses. However one must take care as the Internet has many subjective sites run by people with an axe to grind. I try to avoid offline documentation simply because the other party may not have access to the source, like your citation of the Widtsoe book. The online source you cited has an apparent bias, although I accept that the quote may be valid.
---Rocky on 10/13/11


Rocco.. it's very simple. Joseph Smith had multiple wives and multiple children from those wives. He married women that were already married to other men. The Mormon church believes it and it is their offical stand.

You are going to believe what you want to believe. Go for it.
---NurseRobert on 10/13/11


Mormons ultimately believe works are what saves you.
---Marc on 10/13/11


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1)Official Web site of The LDS... states that Smith practiced polygamy.
2)Familysearch... under Joseph Smith, lists 24 of his wives.
---NurseRobert on 10/12/11
1)I found site and the statement that Smith practiced plural marriage.
2) I found the "Ancestral File" entry for Joseph Smith listing 24 wives. It states at the bottom "The information has not been verified against any official records. Since the information in Ancestral File is contributed, it is the responsibility of those who use the file to verify its accuracy." Further, seven of the marriages listed don't even list a marriage date and for four others, the dated listed is one or more years AFTER JOSEPH SMITH DIED. Another file page lists one wife.
---Rocky on 10/13/11


Rocky, I know you like to quote Wikipedia, but its not the most reliable source around. Articles in wiki are written by anyone who wants to publish an article and unprotected pages can be changed by anyone to say anything.

Good example were Michele Bachmann's supporters who changed a couple of articles, putting in false information, to cover for her public gaffs such as John Wayne being born in Waterloo instead of Winterset, and calling John Quincy Adams a "founding father".

While there is good information on Wikipedia, you really need to verify facts you get fron there.
---NurseRobert on 10/13/11


Rocky, the quote comes from the book "Evidences and Reconciliations" written in 1943 by John A. Widtsoe. You can find the quote on the site wivesofjosephsmith (dot org).

As far as Smith being a poligamist, go to the LDS website and from there to Mormon dot org. Its listed as Official Web site of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Look in the FAQs/Poligamy. It states that Smith practiced poligamy. You can also go to familysearch (its a dot org, a website run by the LDS church specfically for geneology) and, under Joseph Smith, it lists 24 of his wives.

While I realize you believe that Joseph Smith did not practice poligamy, but it is the official stand of the LDS church that he did..
---NurseRobert on 10/12/11


1)My friend's father was LDS and had temple privileges. He was not part of an offshoot of the LDS. Polygamy WAS practiced in the Midwest
2)I find it pecular that you would defend a cult that you left
---KarenD on 10/12/11
1)Then he practiced polygamy without the churchs knowledge, as before the beginning of the 1900s they clearly outlawed the practice and excommunicated those who practiced it. The record is clear on that
2)Why is it peculiar to defend someone from lies? I find it peculiar that you don't. Just because I dont believe their teachings why should I overlook people lying about them? Why do you find honesty peculiar? And shame on you for calling them a cult. More lies.
---Rocky on 10/12/11


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The Mormons have experienced a long history of violent persecution. They have some unique beliefs that many might disagree with, but it does not justify violent persecution in this country. Along with the persecution came many false beliefs about them and false attacks, something Christians have alternatively been both guilty of and the victims of throughout the centuries since Jesus lived. The Mormons were violently forced to move repeatedly from one state to another, finally ending in what would become Salt Lake City because no one else wanted the desolate place. Along the way their first leader, Joseph Smith was killed by an angry mob. It's sad to see some Christians continuing the lies and persecution today.
---Rocky on 10/12/11


Rocky...Let me make it specific. My friend's father was LDS and had temple privileges. He was not part of an offshoot of the LDS. Polygamy WAS practiced in the midwest and by Joseph Smith. Even the Community of Christ (formerly RLDS) has finally admitted that. I find it pecular that you would defend a cult that you left because you lost faith in their beliefs. Temple garments - you show me yours, I'll show you mine.
---KarenD on 10/12/11


Rocky,

Since you like wikipedia so much, wiki "List of the wives of Joseph Smith" - it lists over 40 women. FYI polygamy started BEFORE the trek east. You don't seem to know the history of Mormonism or do you and they have something to hide? What denomination did you say you belonged to, just curious?
---Jason1072 on 10/12/11


Rocco, google "The Wives of Joseph Smith."
---NurseRobert on 10/12/11
I did and found many sites, none that I saw were particularly credible. Given all the lies and distortions on this subject there was no reason to consider them credible. Please identify which you think is credible and why.
I did see one that listed the alleged wives of Joseph Smith, with the support for most just being someone's claim with no support to back it up. It also noted that 8 children claimed to be of the lineage of Joseph Smith but the only DNA testing completed as of 11/07 proved that three were not. Those claims were disproven. Apparently in 4 years there hasn't been update on the others.
---Rocky on 10/12/11


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So, Is Widtsoe a lier too?
---NurseRobert on 10/12/11
I am not familiar with the quote you provided and have no way of knowing if it was actually made or was reported correctly. Can you provide an online reference from a reliable site with that quote?
---Rocky on 10/12/11


1) when they defend a cult
2) defend with statements like the following? "But in the years I was a member I learned their beliefs quite well and it makes me sad to see so many people trash them this way.."
3)Revealing truth is "trashing" to those who support the Mormon doctrine
---Elder on 10/12/11
1) it's a religion not a cult, such a bogus claim by itself proves your bad judgment and bias
2) more distortion - that obviously was not a defense but a statement showing my knowledge about the subject and a condemnation of people like you for lying about Mormons as you did
3) I proved they were lies not truth, so just more lies by you
(Continued)
---Rocky on 10/12/11


4) why you are not a member any longer?
5) Put on your Mormon religious protective underware before
---Elder on 10/12/11
4) Simply because I lost faith in their beliefs
5) Another gross error by you, a childish personal attack, and more proof of bias
To keep piling on the lies and distortions only further prove what I said before, that you are poorly informed and have shown poor judgment and now have further damaged what little credibility you had left. You just keep piling it on while I keep showing you are wrong, biased, and foolish.
---Rocky on 10/12/11


Rocco, google "The Wives of Joseph Smith."

In 1943, Apostle John A. Widtsoe (member of the Quorum of 12) said "Members of the Church unfamiliar with its history, and many non-members, have set up fallacious reasons for the origin of this system of marriage among the Latter-day Saints.

The most common of these conjectures is that the Church, through plural marriage, sought to provide husbands for its large surplus of female members. The implied assumption in this theory, that there have been more female than male members in the Church, is not supported by existing evidence. On the contrary, there seem always to have been more males than females in the Church..."

So, Is Widtsoe a lier too?
---NurseRobert on 10/12/11


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Rocky:

Regardless of whether polygamy was practiced in OT times, Mormons initially believed it was the "unchangeable law of God", yet later, when Utah was offered statehood, they oh-so-conveniently changed their minds, even expelling members who clung to polygamy. So one can come to one of two conclusions:

1) The first revelation was correct, so the prophet who revealed it was false.

2) The first revelation was false, so the prophet who revealed it was false.

3) Both were false.

In any case, if the church is so blind to never repudiates that false prophet, how can you trust ANYTHING that ANY subsequent officially sanctioned prophet says?
---StrongAxe on 10/12/11


Joseph Smith had at least 25 wives... the Mormon church outlawed poligamy because they could not get statehood for Utah if they didn't.
--NurseRobert 10/12/11
I am surprised at you as I had found most of your post till this time worth reading, but your statement about Joseph Smith is an out-and-out lie. He had ONE wife. Just read "Joseph Smith" in Wikipedia, the section titled "Family and Descendants".
Yes, the polygamy stopped only because it was outlawed. So? Polygamy was practiced during OT times. It was restarted by Mormons when their trek east resulted in many more male deaths and a substantial excess of widows and unmarried women with no man to head the household or provide for them.
---Rocky on 10/12/11


How do you even begin to trust a person like Rocky when they defend a cult with statements like the following? "But in the years I was a member I learned their beliefs quite well and it makes me sad to see so many people trash them this way.."
Revealing truth is "trashing" to those who support the Mormon doctrine/Fairy tale faith.
Rocky did you become a god as a Mormon and now have gone out to establish your own religion and planet? Is that why you are not a member any longer? If not, why did you leave?
Put on your Mormon religious protective underware before you answer this. I'll bet you still have them.
---Elder on 10/12/11


What lies are those Rocco?
--NurseRobert 10/12/11
I have been very specific about many. You make no attempt to address or refute what I wrote and proved before, you just throw up a host of new questions and statements, again mixing lies and innuendo with a few facts - a technique of propagandists. Obviously you are not interested in truth, but only in smearing other Christians.
---Rocky on 10/12/11


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What lies are those Rocco? That Mormons believe you become a god? Or that Mormons believe God resides near a star (or planet, depends on which mormon you talk to) called Kolob. Or the the Jaredites died out circa 600 BCE in a massive battle at Hill Comorah with NO archological proof. Or the second and third migrations occurred circa 600 BCE and the "immigrants" established huge civilizations that stretched from sea to sea (again historical proof?). Or that Joseph Smith had at least 25 wives, many who were married to other men at the time.


And BTW, the Mormon church outlawed poligamy because they could not get statehood for Utah if they didn't. If that had not been forced on the church there would still be pologamy.
---NurseRobert on 10/12/11


1) Rocky your statements prove nothing without Mormon explaination. ("1 We believe in...., Jesus Christ...")
2) Explain who Jesus is to you.
3) and as we are God was.
---Elder on 10/12/11
1) As I said, those are not my statements but official Mormon statements about their own beliefs.
2) Why explain who he is to me when I am explaining Mormon beliefs, not mine.
3) Wrong, Mormons do not believe that.
(continued)
---Rocky on 10/12/11


4) Every term that a Mormon claims must be explained as to what they mean by it.
5) they don't accept Him as being the Creator God.
---Elder on 10/12/11
4) Same as for any religion, I have seen many arguments on this board resulting from different uses for the same term.
5) Wrong, they believe Jesus is the creator of this world.
And one more poster joins the list of poorly informed posters spreading lies and distortions. Now I have to question about every post he makes since his credibility is damaged and he has shown such poor judgment.
---Rocky on 10/12/11


There is absolutely nothing in the Book of Mormon about Jesus' being Satan's brother, or about secret temple rites. And it absolutely condemns polygamy. All that stuff was added later after Brigham Young and his people arrived in Utah. If you read the Book of Mormon as fiction and not as scripture, you will find little that would offend a normative Christian.
---God.is.everywhere on 10/11/11


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Rocky, are you a mormon?
---NurseRobert on 10/11/11
I used to be, but not anymore. But in the years I was a member I learned their beliefs quite well and it makes me sad to see so many people trash them this way with obvious lies. People sure like to believe evil about others, not realizing that the only evil is in their own hearts. Some are quite clever, mixing true facts with lies and distortions. It makes it easier to see who speaks on other threads with truth and understanding and who is blowing smoke.
---Rocky on 10/12/11


What difference does it make what anyone believe?
Am I wrong? No one can believe unless faith is given.
No one can come to Christ unless God draws him.

So, does this mean we can forget the word of God?
No! This means you should understand the word of God.
But, how can you, if you dont believe it.

You talk and talk to someone till your blue in the face.
But he still doesnt believe. So, you think hes lost.
Guess what, your right!

So whats the first thing you think? Oh, I hope he finds God.
Well, there you have it. You are in complete disbelief of God.
No, Im not talk to you. Im talking to him, about you!
Think Im wrong?
---TheSeg on 10/12/11


Rocky your statements prove nothing without Mormon explaination. ("1 We believe in...., Jesus Christ...")
Explain who Jesus is to you. Mormons, such as yourself, believe that He is the elder brother of Satan and a created being that became a god of many gods. Also you believe that as God is we shall become, and as we are God was.
Every term that a Mormon claims must be explained as to what they mean by it.
Sure they "believe" in Jesus but they don't accept Him as being the Creator God.
Do you want to speak of the "special" underware that Mormons dress in? Smith was a Mason and much of his Mormon belief comes right from the Masons to include these special (protective) underware garments.
---Elder on 10/12/11


A few things, Satan and Jesus are brothers.
The book of Mormons is Holy inspired as the last revelation of God, Bible incomplete.
In paradise will have many wives and own dominion.
Jesus had many-wives.
Jesus born from Marry and God-physical union.
Mo-Jackson-County was the real Garden of Eden.
God-father and god-mother make spirit babies through physical union making souls for earth.
Souls who fought bravely against Satan received white skin, others dark skin.
Baptism of the dead to be saved in paradise.
Their beliefs, not mine.
---Poppa_Bear on 10/11/11


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Rocky, are you a mormon?
---NurseRobert on 10/11/11


Again, my friend is 55 years old and she was part of a polygamous family in the LDS church.
--KarenD 10/11/11
If the Mormon church knew about it they would be excommunicated according to their own rules. There are several rebellious spinoff off churches that are NOT part of the Mormon church but use names like Reformed LDS and some still accept or encourage polygamy, but not the Mormons. Shame on you for continuing to spread lies. And they are not a cult as you allege. You do not speak the truth about them but your lies and bogus attacks prove your bias and shame.
---Rocky on 10/11/11


Rocky....What do you think they did with all their extra wives and children? They continued living in polygamy. As a former Mormon who found Jesus Christ, I believe I can speak the truth about this cult. Again, my friend is 55 years old and she was part of a polygamous family in the LDS church.
---KarenD on 10/11/11


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