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In Genesis 1, animals are created before man. In Genesis 2:15-25, man is created first, then the animals, then woman.
If one is not literally true (and both cannot) how do we know that either is literally true. Could neither be literal?

Moderator - Read a little closer since that isn't what the scripture states if you read the full chapters.

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...my point was not so much any particular verse, ...
There are so many things that are totally unknown to modern English speaking believers that it would take me sevral posts to even list them.
My point is the more you know about these cultures and their languiages the more you understand scripture. ---John on 10/26/11

Post them, the unknowns you've discovered.
Some of us requring witnesses are open to truths supported by same.
I've enjoyed and understand your Berean type of searching.
Someone has too.
Sciences are probing the milk of the Preachers today.
I'll not let science/education have my babies to protect failing denom doctrines of confused men of no witnesses.
---Trav on 10/27/11


John, you explained Hebrews used block logic "Block logic is where the order of events all fall within a parameter, parenthesis/block. However, within the block there is no particular order. NOTE: Genesis also has the Sun Created after the Earth."

However Genesis 1 is obviously ordered showing God created over 6 24hr days. Exodus 20:8-11 shows He did this to set a pattern for the human week.

I see no evidence the sun being created on day four is any break in that order. God first created light, which made the first ever day then replaced this light with the sun. Quite reasonably God purposefully left the sun till day 4 to show it is just another created thing, not something to be worshiped.
---Warwick on 10/27/11


Warwick, my point was not so much any particular verse, but that Ancient Hebrew is very distant from Modern Day English, that it is extremely diffcult for one of us to understand what is truly being conveyed to us.
These cultures existed 6-10,000 years ago in a distant land. Hebrew is read in reverse of English and there are no verbs. And that modern Hebrew. There are so many things that are totally unknown to modern English speaking believers that it would take me sevral posts to even list them. My point is the more you know about these cultures and their languiages the more you understand scripture.

TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA..

Looks at English spoken by You, The Brits, and the Yanks.

Now imagine Hebrew of 10,000 years ago.
---John on 10/26/11


John, step and block logic aside Genesis records that God created "light" on day one saying "And there was evening and there was morning-the first day", day one. This same phrase is used of all of the remaining five days of creation.

The sun was indeed created on day four but it would be an unwarranted assumption to say this was out of step order. God has written His word to convey truth, for good reason. Many people believe that God delayed creating to sun to show it is only another created thing, not to be worshipped.
---Warwick on 10/26/11


Also the Hebrews purposely did NOT have sciences. Never questioned G-d. This was a Greek concept which sadly has contaminated modern Christianity. We question, Theoryalize, philosophize Scripture.
---John on 10/21/11

Good info John.
Contaminated Christianity? You had to search these facts to know them. To the Bereans it was counted....

If you created an airplane...and I wanted a ride....you more than anyone has my attention. You know your creation.
Jeremiah 31:37
Thus saith the LORD, If heaven above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, I will also cast off all the seed of Israel for all that they have done, saith the LORD.

Someone is searching.....
---Trav on 10/21/11




//---John on 10/21/11//
To this I agree.

We need to go back to the original perspective, Elohiym chose to use for His purpose.
He did not use the western perspective [which He could have-but didn't.]
Greco-Roman influence is all over tranlations. As every title translated in OT proves: Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus etc... The original did not have titles, the perspective is given with the very first words of the context.

Bereshyth Elohyim Bara...
InBeginning (no article) God formed...

Hebrews understood [cycle within time]
Bereshyth is chiastic structure

//Never questioned G-d.//
---Love this.

They just nourished off His Word---like child to parent.

El Shaddai-
Aleph to Tav.
---char on 10/21/11


What's not understood by Christians is The Hebrews used what is called Block Logic. Today we use Step logic.

Block logic is where the order of events all fall within a parameter, parenthesis/block. However, within the block there is no particular order. NOTE: Genesis also has the Sun Created after the Earth.

Step Logic is when the chronological order is emphasized. 1,2,3...

Past, present, future tenses were not considered important during these writings. As in the Greek it was all within an "Aorist" non-tense.

Also the Hebrews purposely did NOT have sciences. Never questioned G-d. This was a Greek concept which sadly has contaminated modern Christianity. We question, Theoryalize, philosophize Scripture.
---John on 10/21/11


"Genesis Ch.2 is man-centered, recapping the creation of the man and woman, providing details not provided in Ch.1. It is definitely not another creation account as it doesn't mention the creation of the earth, sun, moon, stars, seas, land, sky, sea creatures, creeping creatures etc. " Warwick on 10/15/11
"And it does say, "Out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field and every bird of the air, and brought them to Adam to see what he would call them," in Genesis 2:19. It does not say, here, when God created them (c:"
---Bill_willa6989 on 10/14/11.
In regard to these posts I say Amen and Amen.
---Josef on 10/20/11


Genesis 1 and 2 are not 2 conflicting versions of creation. As recorded in Matthew 19: 4-6, and Mark 10:5-9 Jesus combines Genesis 1:27 and 2:24 to say man was made at the beginning of creation and that Adam and Eve became one flesh. No suggestion there that He the Creator thought they were two conflicting versions of creation.

Genesis Ch. 1 covers the creation of everything, chronologically.

Genesis Ch.2 is man-centered, recapping the creation of the man and woman, providing details not provided in Ch.1. It is definitely not another creation account as it doesn't mention the creation of the earth, sun, moon, stars, seas, land, sky, sea creatures, creeping creatures etc.

Pet theories are interesting but should be Biblical.
---Warwick on 10/15/11


Genesis 2:15 > God put Adam in the Garden of Eden. Apparently, the Garden was already created with its plants, so God could put him there! (c:

And it does say, "Out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field and every bird of the air, and brought them to Adam to see what he would call them," in Genesis 2:19. It does not say, here, when God created them (c:
---Bill_willa6989 on 10/14/11




Blogger9211
The fact these creation accounts... are just stories does not limit Gods creation ability all it does is show as the true manor of creation is not recorded in scripture

the purpose of recording God creating heavens and earth is to show us that there are no records of how God created heavens and earth????

WOW.

and then they say the literal interpreters are confused.

To me the first Genesis was the actual creation and Genesis 2 shows the order of authority. God placing man, man naming beast, and woman comming out of man. God is the boss of mankind, who rules nature
Job & Psalms is a description of God's power and supriority therefore it does not need a specific order.
---andy3996 on 10/14/11


Alot of the details are not given to us in scripture that's why we accept the things we don't understand by faith. Trust God in all things. Even the ones that are not understood. The Holy Spirit will guide you to an understanding. Accept that God is all knowing, wise & wants us to accept Him with the faith of a little child. Complete trust.Mark 10:15 & Luke 18:17. For now our understanding is limited.1Cor.13:12, For now we see through a glass, darkly,...now I know in part... We should never expect or rely on translations, commentaries or people tell us the answer to all our questions about God. Depend on the Holy Spirit to guide you in your search. That's the only way to have peace of mind & spirit.
---Reba on 10/13/11


//The first few chapters of Genesis-Creation chapters- are some of the easiest in the whole Bible to understand//

Then why so much debate about it. This will really blow your mind. They have found translations 400 years before Christ that said. In the beginning, the firstborn, God created... meaning Jesus (2nd part of trinity) is in the creation story. Also the Lets make human in the image of us. There is a lot than what meets the eye at first glance.
---Scott1 on 10/13/11


Jennifer,

There is nothing wrong with the scriptures at all. You are correct, the animals were created before man in Genesis 1. The context of Genesis 2:15-25 is in the Garden of Eden. God created man, placed him in the Garden and then created more of each kind of animal in the presence of Adam for him to name. It was important for Adam to see the creative hand of God otherwise Satan could say that he did it. This is probably why Satan went to Eve instead of Adam because Eve didnt see God create.
---Jason1072 on 10/13/11


The reason they are different as they are different tribal stories of creation Genius 1 - 2:4a as one story. I was created as an oral tradition to teach the young that Elohiym was greater than all other gods for only he can BARA and the reason for the Sabbath rest.

The story starting at 2:4 b is a different tribal story older than the first, it is a single day account, the creation of Man as a living creature and the story of the fall of man.

The fact these creation accounts and other in Psalms, Job and John are just stories does not limit Gods creation ability all it does is show as the true manor of creation is not recorded in scripture.
---Blogger9211 on 10/13/11


The first few chapters of Genesis-Creation chapters- are some of the easiest in the whole Bible to understand.(In my opinion)-- It only takes a child-like faith to believe & accept what you read to be truth. No more/no less. JUST BELIEVE IT.Romans 3:4,...yea, let God be true, but every man a liar, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, & mightest overcome when thou art judged. You can't understand it with the human mind. 1 Cor.2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, for they are Spiritually discerned.
---Reba on 10/13/11


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Jennifer, the Holy Scripture declares:

Day 1: God created the heavens and the earth.
Day 2: God separated the firmaments.
Day 3: God covered the earth with water, land, trees.
Day 4: God divided the day from the night.
Day 5: God created the creatures in the water and the birds.
Day 6: God created the animals of the earth after which He created man.
Day 7: God rested.

The moderator was being diplomatic when he said "Read a little closer..."
---christan on 10/12/11


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