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Are Denominations Wicked

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The concept of denominations, in and of itself implies divisions. Paul addressed this issue in 1 Cor. 1:11-13 "It has been reported to me .. that there is quarreling among you, my brethren. What I mean is that each one of you says, "I belong to Paul," or "I belong to Apol'los," or "I belong to Cephas," or "I belong to Christ." Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Or were you baptized in the name of Paul", [or the baptist , or the Pentecostals, or the catholics, or the charismatic, or the orthodoxy founders? There is only one true church, the body of Christ, both individually and collectively, the Church of the Lord Jesus, The Christ. Note verses 2-9 same chapter.
---josef on 10/21/11


These sheep, are God's elect. ---Mark_V. on 10/21/11


No MarkV, THOSE SHEEP are Israel, God's Elect. David said, "The Lord is MY Shepherd".

Now there were false shepherds in the OT,
Isaiah 56:11
Yea, they are greedy dogs which can never have enough, and they are shepherds that cannot understand: they all look to their own way, every one for his gain, from his quarter.
---kathr4453 on 10/21/11


Gentiles were never sheep that strayed from the Shepherds flock or fold. They are never called lost sheep. But Israelites are called sheep, whether they are saved or not, according to the Bible.
---kathr4453 on 10/21/11


Kathr, if you read John 10:1-32 carefully you might hear Jesus words,
He is talking about His sheep. He calls His own sheep by name. They and they only hear His words. They by no means follow a stranger, but will flee from them. Then He said that all others who called themselves shepherds that came before Him were thieves and robbers. "But the sheep did not hear them" So this sheep were around before Christ came and saved them. Then He says, He came that they may have life, and that they may have it more abundantly. These sheep, are God's elect. They were chosen by God. The assumption is that the sheep are already His sheep even before He calls them by name. And only the sheep hear His voice. All others do not hear His voice.
---Mark_V. on 10/21/11


Lee, those who can count know that verse 45 comes directly after verse 44 and 32. I call it the concluding verse.

But if you want to twist and shake things up, IGNORE verse 45.


John 6:44No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

45It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.
---kathr4453 on 10/21/11




John 12:32
32And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me


Now it is very important to understand that in chapter 6 Jesus was talking to Jews BEFORE teh Cross.

However THIS TRUMPS John 6:44-45

Today After Jesus death and resurrection ((did you hear Jesus Words )) Jesus said I WILL draw all men unto ME!

That is IF I be lifted up.

Who does the lifting up?

WE DO when we preach the Good News to all!

Any correct Lee, anyone who comes to Jesus of their own free will, He will in no wise cast them out!
---kathr4453 on 10/21/11


To conclude with Ephesians 1.

It is presumptuous to read that scripture and find limited atonement or individual selection of anyone. It's just not there.

The New Creation, unlike the first will be Holy, blameless and no evil will be able to enter in.

If God wanted sinless Holy and blameless creatures in the first creation, He could have done that.

BUT He would never have had BEGOTTEN SONS through Jesus Christ....a totally different creature.

The universe is SOOOO BIG, believe me, there is more than enough room for everyone. TOO bad everyone hasn't accepted and received Jesus Christ to become a part of the New Creation.
---kathr4453 on 10/21/11


"Your view that salvation is in your hands and not in God is totally unscriptural. Howbeit in His love towards His creation He continually seeks those that will accept His gift of salvation."
---lee1538 on 10/20/11

You should be arguing with your sisters Mark V. and christan. They deny any of that "accept His gift of salvation", That when God says "Come", that he does not mean it, that man can't.

"... salvation is in your hands and not in God is totally unscriptural."
Stop whinning, "Mark 10:28 Then Peter began to say unto him, Lo, we have left all, and have followed thee."

Man must follow Christ else there is no salvation. Following your own nose is not Biblical.
---Nana on 10/21/11


Everyone here is distorting scripture to fit their own views. That's the nature of this place. That's sums up Christian history.
---God.is.everywhere on 10/20/11

G.i.e o
It is only clear if GOD opens it. You see stages of. He provides two or more witnesses for every question you will have.
First he has to call you. You're here so he may have.
Second...you have to want more than anything...anything! 2 B free from the confusion you perceive.
3rd...you've got ask,knock,seek.
You'll have to repent as you go of former foolishness n belief once it's clear it is....by GOD's Witnesses. Not us. And you will.
As the evidence mounts...be hot! Not cold. Be free of all men! All men's opinions,theory's and blindness!
---Trav on 10/21/11


Everyone here is distorting scripture to fit their own views. That's the nature of this place. That's sums up Christian history. :)
---God.is.everywhere on 10/20/11




kathr4453// the remainder of what Jesus said concerning this conversation is: ALL that have been taught of the Father come to me. He said they were taught through the Prophets and the Law.

You are distorting scripture again to fit your own erroneous viewpoints.

John 6:37 All that the Father GIVES ME will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out.

Matthew 19:25b -26Who then can be saved? But Jesus looked at them and said, With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.

Your view that salvation is in your hands and not in God is totally unscriptural. Howbeit in His love towards His creation He continually seeks those that will accept His gift of salvation.
---lee1538 on 10/20/11


For Jesus says, "No man can come unto Me, except it be given unto him of the Father"
---Mark_V. on 10/20/11

Yes MarkV, and the remainder of what Jesus said concerning this conversation is: ALL that have been taught of the Father come to me. He said they were taught through the Prophets and the Law.

Would you care to share with us MarkV exactly what Prophets and what IN THE LAW you learned from God the Father that you came to Christ.

So faith still comes by hearing correct! Tell us what YOU FIRST HEARD!

Can you find any verse that says faith comes by election?
---kathr4453 on 10/20/11


Eph. 1:4-6 For he chose us in him before the creation of the world to be holy and blameless in his sight to be adopted as his sons and daughters through Jesus Christ, in accordance with his pleasure and will
to the praise of his glorious grace, which he has freely given us in the One he loves.
Yes God FREELY gave Jesus Christ so whosoever will could become THROUGH CHRIST, Holy and Blameless sons and Daughters in the New Creation. God forordained the whole plan.

He knew men would sin, and at that time planned to redeem men through Christ alone.

Praise God.

WHOSOEVER will, can chose Life in Christ and be changed to be HOLy and blameless in Christ alone, not their self effort of works and bragging.
---kathr4453 on 10/20/11


Kathr, You have a real problem with God. Paul and Peter, quoted the exact words God spoke about Israel and applied them to believers in Christ. They both taught believing Jews and non-Jews, together, are "the people of God" the "elect of God" and "the Israel of God" (1 Peter 2:9,10).
Peter was speaking to God's Church. Paul also called true believers in the Messiah-both Jews and Gentiles-"the elect of God" ( Colossians 3:11,12).
Jesus said, "All that the Father giveth Me shall come unto Me" refers to the elect of God chosen before the foundation of the world.
For Jesus says, "No man can come unto Me, except it be given unto him of the Father"
---Mark_V. on 10/20/11


Eph. 1:4-6 For he chose us in him before the creation of the world to be holy and blameless in his sight. ---

God is speaking here. Did God choose Adam and Eve to be begotten sons and daughters through Jesus Christ at the time he created themm out of the dust of the earth? NO. Adam was not a BEGOTTEN son through Jesus Christ. He was a CREATED son out of dust.

What is the message of Ephesians? God's plan to bring to Himself BEGOTTEN SONS and Daughters INTO GLORY Through Jesus Christ. To be conformed to His Image.

God never chose anyone because they were already Holy and blameless, but Chose us TO BE Holy And blameless. THAT can only be done THROUGH CHRIST.
---kathr4453 on 10/20/11


Those who have turned to Christ after frying their brains on drugs & alcohol are least likely to ever succeed in this life and will always trail behind those in His church that have endeavored to become educated in His word.
---lee1538 on 10/20/11


That kind of talk is as cheap as it comes!!!
---kathr4453 on 10/20/11


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Kathr4453 //Anyone can SAY they are "the ELECT," talk is cheap.

O how we all pray that you would realize that and end your cheap talk.

The Elect are those God has chosen from the foundation of the world.

Eph. 1:4-6 For he chose us in him before the creation of the world to be holy and blameless in his sight. In love he predestined (don't you just HATE that word?)us to be adopted as his sons (and daughters) through Jesus Christ, in accordance with his pleasure and will
to the praise of his glorious grace, which he has freely given us in the One he loves.

Kathr4453 likes us to think that we chose Him, not the other way around as we are the captains of our own salvation.
---lee1538 on 10/20/11


Warwick confuses God with man- obviously! Warwick's consistent contradictory rhetoric is for all to see. In one post he knows God is outside time- 'is eternal', but in another Warwick believes God needed a 24 hour break!
---David8318 on 10/18/11

Red Racer resides in Genesis and cherry picks elsewhere is because it is essential doctrine that he be Adamic or of Noah---Israel. NO Sheep Dog work for dis OK corral owner. Herder titles only. But doesn't search for a sheep??
Da dinero,hobbies and Self Esteem cannot degrade to a servant position.
Hmmm. Perceive....by what is not stated....what is said.
While I do not know if it is a 24 hour day or not. You make a fundamental question.
---Trav on 10/20/11


steveng, Today's Churches do not preach on being Overcomers. Only those IN THE BODY of Christ are overcomers. The only church.

I'd rather be called an overcomer than the Elect. WHY? The overcomers ARE the Elect! And look at all the promises to those who overcome.

Are you an overcomer just by having your name picked out of a hat?

Not according to Scripture.

Anyone can SAY they are "the ELECT," talk is cheap.

If you say you have a faith NO ONE ELSE HAS...prove it by being an overcomer.
---kathr4453 on 10/20/11


Kathr, again you do not understand. I never said what you said I said or believed,

"What I have a problem with is MarkV CLAIMING he "CHOSE" to become one of the Elect."

That is such a rediculous statment. I'm not God, how can I chose to become one of the elect. God does the election. What you don't like is for Him to have that right. It takes away your free will right you think you have. And you will not let go of your free will over God. You want to be the originator of your salvation. You have no rights over God.
---Mark_V. on 10/20/11


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THIS is why I'm being attacked by the self appointed mentally confused Elect,who are Chosen because of how much MORE education they have than others, when MarkV said "we refuse to be a part of it". I ASKED: "REALLY?" I thought God Sovereign RIGHT excluded us from it!


And these guys call themselves TODAY'S SPIRITUAL ROCKET SCIENTISTS!

Read MarkV's words the BRILLIANT LeeJ defends.....

I see why you guys do not believe there is a remnant today, you refuse to be part of it. --Mark_V. on 10/18/11

Really MarkV One can CHOOSE TO BE PART OF IT???

So CHOOSING to be part of it or not is not free will?
---kathr4453 on 10/18/11
---kathr4453 on 10/19/11


MarkV: 'You worship man's works, I worship God Almighty.'

The comment 'I worship God Almighty' has also been said by people who did not, please remember that.

I do NOT say that YOU DO NOT. But it is a statement that is dangerous to make, because by saying it, you make your views the same as God's views.

Remember that you may also be making errors in your worship, too.

Please don't be offended. I just mean it is dangerous to make such sweeping comments about how right we are
---Peter on 10/19/11


so if denominations are unbiblical then there must be one original church. i challenge everyone to name me "the denomination that is of the LORD. trick, you cannot use your own denomination, that would be favorism.
oke at the end of this blog i'm reposting the same question, apparently nobody can answer it

therfore God gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in His name will not perrish but have eternal life.

believe Christ is God that died and rose again, live according and you'll be saved.
---andy3996 on 10/19/11


YES!!!!!!!!!!
---John on 10/19/11


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Her problems seems to be with the doctrine of Election - that God may do whatever He wishes with His creation.

---lee1538 on 10/18/11

leej, I have no problem with the "scriptural" doctrine of election.

What I have a problem with is MarkV CLAIMING he "CHOSE" to become one of the Elect.

Yet he/you claim we have no choice in the matter.
---kathr4453 on 10/19/11


\\ I know His nature,\\

You might know things about God's nature--whether they are right or wrong is another issue.

But if you really knew God's nature, you would BE God.

\\You worship man's works,\\

Wrong again, as in everything else you say about me.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/19/11


While we may not LIKE what we read in Scripture, we should understand what the position of Scripture really is.
---lee1538 on 10/18/11

Hardest argument/debate I was ever in, was with myself. I lost. Ha.
Reflecting that I lost, I won.

Greatest reward by humbling arguments/debates I ever lost were with scripture. My idea's,concepts,faulty logic learning's were dung,trash. Made so by the multiple witnesses in scripture.
GOD's hand picked Prophets.

If my faith is in GOD....why would I go against his hand picked spokespersons. Witnesses.
GOD does what GOD wants. I'll take a crumb or whatever he allows. If a sheepdog..... I'll be the sheepiest sheepdog of sheedogs. Ruff,ruff,woof,woof,bark,bark.
---Trav on 10/19/11


Cluny, I have no problem with the Sovereignty of God. I know His nature, character and attributes. He is the center of my life. No man can ever seat on the Throne of God. I never have any trouble understanding my position before God.
His nature, character, and attributes never change at the expense of sinful man. God is the same yesterday, today and forever. No amount of works of man, or will of man, can change who God is. He is Omnipotent, and Ruler of all things. You worship man's works, I worship God Almighty. Two very different theologies. Mine is God centered. And only God deserves all the glory and honor. The miracle is not that God saves some, but that He saves anyone in the first place for they all deserve death for their rebellion.
---Mark_V. on 10/19/11


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\\While we may not LIKE what we read in Scripture, we should understand what the position of Scripture really is.\\

Scripture says, "It is not the will of God that ANY should perish, but that ALL be saved and come to a knowledge of the truth."

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/19/11


"Kathy reminds me of the child who picks a fight with his teacher but does not realize that the teacher is far more trained and knowledgeable."
lee1538 on 10/18/11

A 70 yr old cannibal is well trained and knowledgeable in how to eat a human being. It is the same as those who take a tangent to an otherwise straight path. They may be wandering upwards of 40 yrs, or forever never arriving!
---Nana on 10/19/11


// really wish those calvinists could READ all and not cherry pick their nose hairs!

Kathy reminds me of the child who picks a fight with his teacher but does not realize that the teacher is far more trained and knowledgeable.

While she damns Calvin, she really does not realize that she has more in common with Calvin's beliefs than she would like to admit.

Her problems seems to be with the doctrine of Election - that God may do whatever He wishes with His creation.

I suspect that is because she really does not understand the scripture support for this doctrine.

While we may not LIKE what we read in Scripture, we should understand what the position of Scripture really is.
---lee1538 on 10/18/11


\\That is what you have been doing but your problem is not that you cherry pick or twist scripture, and make a lot of religious statements as a smoke screen to sound like you know what you are talking about, it is that you just don't understand it. Because you don't understand God. \\

None of this, of course, EVER applies to you, does it, MarkV?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/18/11


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MarkV, can you find any scripture that a Gentile can CHOOSE to be a Remnant of Israel according to the Election of GRACE??

No you can't. And because of your silly statement, you call me names?

Who's smoke screen here? You simply canbot answer the question, but call names instead.

Did you actually CHOOSE to be a remnant of Israel according to the election of Grace? WHEN did you make that choice?
---kathr4453 on 10/18/11


Kathr, you said,
"I really wish those calvinists could READ all and not cherry pick their nose hairs!"

That is what you have been doing but your problem is not that you cherry pick or twist scripture, and make a lot of religious statements as a smoke screen to sound like you know what you are talking about, it is that you just don't understand it. Because you don't understand God.
Such a God cannot be found out by searching. He can be known only as He is revealed to the heart by the Holy Spirit through His Word. For the God of Scripture can only be known by those to whom He makes Himself known. That is what you cannot understand.
---Mark_V. on 10/18/11


By refusing to be a part of the remnant you who reject grace are still under the law of works, and the reason that to you grace is no longer grace, but works. Rejecting the election of God by grace, is the reason most of you answer for free will,
---Mark_V. on 10/18/11

The SCARRY part of your comment here MarkV is: You insist one cannot choose Christ, or choose LIFE in Christ, yet you say you can CHOOSE to be the Elect Remnant.

Is thar really all their is to it...Just Choose to be the Elect and walla, you are, and be saved by Grace to boot? All by Choosing to believe in CAlvinism.

I always thought that's what you meant. Glad to see you clarifying so.
---kathr4453 on 10/18/11


I really wish those calvinists could READ all and not cherry pick their nose hairs!

Romans 11
1I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.

2God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel saying,

---4But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.

5Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

6And if by grace, then is it no more of works: ---.
---kathr4453 on 10/18/11


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I see why you guys do not believe there is a remnant today, you refuse to be part of it. Very simple. Paul said,
"Even so then, at this present time there is a remnant according to the election of grace. And if by grace, then it is no longer of works, otherwise grace is no longer grace.". By refusing to be a part of the remnant you who reject grace are still under the law of works, and the reason that to you grace is no longer grace, but works. Rejecting the election of God by grace, is the reason most of you answer for free will,
---Mark_V. on 10/18/11

Really MarkV One can CHOOSE TO BE PART OF IT???

So CHOOSING to be part of it or not is not free will?
---kathr4453 on 10/18/11


\\Greek word "kyridakon" is not found in the NT and only came into being in the 16th Century long after NT times.\\

I think the word you're looking for is KYRIAKON, which existed in NT times.

Actually, the English word "church" is cognate of the German word "kirche"--compare with the Scots word "kirk", which means "assembly".

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/18/11


I see why you guys do not believe there is a remnant today, you refuse to be part of it. Very simple. Paul said,
"Even so then, at this present time there is a remnant according to the election of grace. And if by grace, then it is no longer of works, otherwise grace is no longer grace.". By refusing to be a part of the remnant you who reject grace are still under the law of works, and the reason that to you grace is no longer grace, but works. Rejecting the election of God by grace, is the reason most of you answer for free will, your rights over God's, that is what I've been saying for a long time, Sorry, but "you can do nothing without God."
---Mark_V. on 10/18/11


//The only place "remnant" is used in the Bible is to refer to the believing faithful Jews, NEVER the Church.//

amen
---michael_e on 10/14/11

OT Scriptures have many remnants listed. Of Israel and of Judah and others. NT mainly Israel.
Divorced Israel, made up the early gatherings and more so the latter. Of Ben/Judah some of the disciples surely were.
"Church"by
Cooper P. Abrams, III
.English dictionary reveals that the Eng word "church" which is used in our English Bible is taken from the late Greek word "kyridakon" not"ekklesia."(6)Greek word "kyridakon" is not found in the NT and only came into being in the 16th Century long after NT times.
---Trav on 10/17/11


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//The only place "remnant" is used in the Bible is to refer to the believing faithful Jews, NEVER the Church.//

amen
---michael_e on 10/14/11

I'll second that!
---kathr4453 on 10/17/11


\\The real question, though, is whether Orthodoxy considers itself to be the ONLY denomination to be Christ's church.\\

As I've repeatedly said, we are denominational, but PRE-denominational.

We are the first and original Church. Draw your own conclusions.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/17/11


Mat_24:1 and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple.
Mat_24:2 See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

Joh_2:19 Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
Joh_2:21 But he spake of the temple of his body.

Act_7:49 Heaven is my throne, and earth is my footstool: what house will ye build me? saith the Lord: or what is the place of my rest?

Mal_1:4 They shall build, but I will throw down,

Act_7:48 Howbeit the most High dwelleth not in temples made with hands, as saith the prophet,

Readily apparent to the mind
Peace
---TheSeg on 10/16/11


//The only place "remnant" is used in the Bible is to refer to the believing faithful Jews, NEVER the Church.//

amen
---michael_e on 10/14/11


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\\Cluny, I beginning to realize either you don't read and study the same bible I do, or you interpret the bible the way YOU want to interpret it.\\

And you, NEVER interpret the Bible the way YOU want to interpret it, do you, Donna?

\\You are the one who is wrong, but who cares? God knows who His Bride is and who isn't.\\

No, YOU are wrong, and what's more, YOU are not God.

\\There is a remmant, you may not be a part of it\\

You don't actually think that YOU are part of it, do you, Donna?

(See how you sound?)

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/14/11


Cluny: 'I KNOW that Orthodoxy is the same as Christ's Church.'

I do not know enough about Orthodoxy to comment. The real question, though, is whether Orthodoxy considers itself to be the ONLY denomination to be Christ's church.

The first statement, I will not argue with. But the ONLY part, I very much doubt
---James on 10/14/11


Bill-willa, your right interpreting 1 Cor. 1 and 3 concering Saints quarreling. I believe that most of the denominational churches teach the essentials of the Christian faith, but disagree on some of the none-essentials. And of course not the whole church is the remnant, only the wheat are the remnant. There is many none-saints or none Christains in the Churches today just as there has always been. Jesus talked about that. Many denominations do have many worldly rituals brought down from the Universal Catholic Church, and from other ideas. The teaching of works for salvation is found in many believers and almost all denominations, and salvation by grace through faith was the only thing that divided us from those who teach works for salvation.
---Mark_V. on 10/15/11


Almost every Church Epistle was focusing on doctrinally different topics showing the separate focus of many NT-Churches.
---Poppa_Bear on 10/14/11

I see the 7 letters as focusing on one issue...FALSE TEACHERS in the church.

And the same promise through out each and every one....OVERCOME. What then are we to overcome? 1st John tells us exactly who the overcomers are.

Young men have overcome the evil one. OUR FAITH in Christ alone and His word are who overcomes.
---kathr4453 on 10/15/11


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Blogger9211, who told you this rap?

here in africa we have alot of nondenomiational churches that actually advance in every domain, that you say we will fail. fact is the succes of the programms more often depend on the organisational tallents of the staff rather then the denomination. i do agree however that denomination are allready more advanced , but ever y denomination today started as a nondenominal christian comunity EVERY.
---andy3996 on 10/15/11


How much longer will you believe that your worldly conventicle is the same as Christ's Church, Steveng?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/15/11


I am a bible student. however I attend different churches and hear different speakers.I fellowship with different members of Christ, but I am not a baptist or methodist or pentacostal. I am just a servant of God, a bible student living my life and following scriptures.
---Candice on 10/15/11


Independent churches exist but that is about all they do ...they will continue to be impotent members on the Christian screen.
*****

"independent" SHOULD BE impotent to spreading the message of FALSE christianity!!

Christ stated HIS flock will always be a LITTLE flock - TRUE Believers understand it is GOD who calls to worship in Spirit which is very different from the ideas from the "christian scene"

Truth is The Father in Heaven calls those to HIM and denominations call people to THEM

money and political power NEVER defined the Apostles ...interesting how many cannot grasp that concept yet love to talk about how much money their church has and how much "good" their church does
---Rhonda on 10/15/11


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Good points Blogger9211. However, that's a bit like saying the light bulb would never have been invented without Thomas Edison.
---Rod4Him on 10/15/11


Christianity has advanced in the world through denominations. Individual churches lack the resources to implement change and the sustainability to survive over time. Unless they become large foundations they will never be able to found seminaries, hospitals or be able to engage international mission activity, or disaster relief. Most of your Christian education material are produced in publishing houses owned by denominations. Do you thing the American Bible Society or the United Bible Society are the product of an independent church? Independent churches exist but that is about all they do as their contribution to the advancement of Christianity is negligible, they will continue to be impotent members on the Christian screen.
---Blogger9211 on 10/14/11


The thing about denominations, they allow people to understand that they are attending a Church that holds the same understanding of the bible as they hold. This can be a safe guard in many cases, just because a building has a Cross above it and a bible up front doesnt mean they are preaching truth. At the same time denominations do divide in many ways and this is the reality of sins destructive nature, separating us even through Gods Holy word. Last thought, the 7 Churches in Rev could be called separate denominations according to the differences they possessed. Almost every Church Epistle was focusing on doctrinally different topics showing the separate focus of many NT-Churches.
---Poppa_Bear on 10/14/11


Donna 5535: Are you sure the 'remnant' is just a fragment of the church? I took it to mean the whole of the church, which at that time was only a tiny fraction of the people
---Peter on 10/14/11


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hi,well I agree with bro.Andy 9396.... I am continue read,study...this is a very important blogg! thanks.
---ELENA on 10/14/11


Well, I do not believe that a group that is worldly is God's church. But Paul told the Corinthians that they were carnal because of their divisions. But he also called them "the church of God which is at Corinth . . . those who are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints," in 1 Corinthians 1:2. So, he did not say they were not Christ's church. But they were "carnal", he says, by being divided. Ones were clever enough to divide themselves by saying, "I am of Christ", in order to divide themselves from other carnal ones who'd name apostles.
---Bill_willa6989 on 10/14/11


Romans 11:5 - Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

Revelation 12:17 - And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ
---Donna5535 on 10/14/11


THe comment about 'your worldly denomination' is not exact for all.

Most people have a denomination, but accept that people in other denominations (at least some other denominations) are also in Christ's Church
---Peter on 10/14/11


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Cluny, I beginning to realize either you don't read and study the same bible I do, or you interpret the bible the way YOU want to interpret it.

You are the one who is wrong, but who cares? God knows who His Bride is and who isn't.

Mark_V is correct. He gives an excellent explanation and it's biblical, based on scripture.

There is a remmant, you may not be a part of it Cluny and maybe that's why you don't know about it. "The secrets of the Lord are for those who fear him."
---Donna5535 on 10/14/11


St Paul is very clear in I Corin 1, "...that there are quarrels among you. [12]Now I mean this, that each one of you is saying, "I am of Paul," and "I of Apollos," and "I of Cephas," and "I of Christ." [13]Has Christ been divided?"

The divisions are in the minds of those who feel divided wherever they fellowship, assuming they fellowship.
---Rod4Him on 10/14/11


so if denominations are unbiblical then there must be one original church. i challenge everyone to name me "the denomination that is of the LORD. trick, you cannot use your own denomination, that would be favorism.

ANYONE ABLE?

fact is that before christianity there was this division,
the pharisees, the zealots, the saducees wher three sects in the same religion, when Jesus came, it started a new sect called the Nazireans... soon people disagreed.

however i agree that we are one in Christ but nobody ever agrees with his brother, because most of us believe that it is our doctrine that will save us, and not Christ.
---andy3996 on 10/14/11


Cluny, I disagree with your answer to Donna. In fact there was a remnant of Israel by God, but there is also a remnant today as far as the Word of God is concern. ( Romans 11:4-8). Israel in spite of their religious zeal, of Paul's day had failed to obtain God's righteousness, but the elect, those whom God graciouly had chosen in turn sought and found righteousness (9:30: 10:4). By a judicial act of God the rest were blinded. "Even so then, at this present time there is a remnant according to Election of grace" all under Grace are the remnant of God, the Elect.
Second, God has given us the Spirit to discern when truth is spoken. All genuine believers have the Spirit of God, born of the Spirit saved by Grace through faith.
---Mark_V. on 10/14/11


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\\God is calling out a remmant to become His Bride. The true Bride will smell carnality in a church and most likely leave that church.\\

Wrong on two counts, Donna.

The only place "remnant" is used in the Bible is to refer to the believing faithful Jews, NEVER the Church.

And Jesus could tell the carnality among His followers--but never rejected them on that basis, as you suggest we should do.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/13/11


My denomination is part of Christ's church and if you are saved you are also part of the bride of Christ. If I didn't believe in my denomination, I would change to another. I am what I am because of what I believe.
---shira4368 on 10/13/11


donominations are christians who cannot agree with one another.
cathlics believe in mary, purgatory, sabbath is SUNDAY

7th adventist believe that sabbath is saturday

mormon believes in having many wives
jehovahs witness believes that christ is a teacher

one thing that many have in common. the almighty dollar.
---mike on 10/13/11


In order for the Christian faith to be spread, in order for Christians to fulfill the Great Commisssion, there must be organization.

And that is why it is necessary to have denominations.
---lee1538 on 10/13/11


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I don't believe that at all.

Christ's church is the Bride of Christ.

God is calling out a remmant to become His Bride. The true Bride will smell carnality in a church and most likely leave that church.

There is a difference between the Bride of Christ and the Daughters of Jerusalem. The Bride is spotless, without wrinkle and made clean by the Word. The Daughters compromise the Word of God, stay in churches who preach watered down word to satisfy the flesh of the people. I think Pastors pet the sheep instead of feeding the sheep for fear of losing their congregation. I know I'll get attacked on this answer, but I believe it's the truth.
---Donna5535 on 10/13/11


I KNOW that Orthodoxy is the same as Christ's Church.

What I don't understand is where you got the idea that the modern conventicle you attend is the same as Christ's Church.

How's that?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/13/11


Not very many people can completely agree on every part of the Bible. However, Hebrews 10:25 tells us to assemble together for worship. So, my way of looking at denominations is groups of assembler's who's belief's are similar/ close enough to be an encouragement to one another in the Lord. Denomination is not the important thing here. It's, does your denomination(church) teach the Word of God in Spirit & truth? Do you come together to worship God, Honour God & do you exhort one another in the Lord? Do they reach out to the community to help the needs of others? That's what a church should do no matter what the title.
---Reba on 10/13/11


Not all denominations are worldly: some denominations are founded upon Christ, and following his Commandments.
---Eloy on 10/13/11


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Well Steveng, I belong to the Body of Christ, and that IS Christs church. As for denominations, I mostly attend a nondenominational church, although I've been to many others from time to time. Within both, there are the saved who make up the BOC. There are also the unsaved which do not make up the BOC, but who's to say whether or not they may be saved, hearing the Word within those around them? Pray for all.
---chria9396 on 10/13/11


Steveng what denomination do you go to? Most of the traditions and minor beliefs that separate denominations are based on personal open handed questions where a church denomination stress idea A more than idea B. Idea A is no more important than B or vice versa. This is the beauty of the Church that we get to while being scriptually truthfull different. 1 Corinthians 12.
---Scott1 on 10/13/11


StevenG, is that a rhetorical question? I will believe my worldly denominational church is the same as the church of Christ until I die, which will be quite soon. :)
---God.is.everywhere on 10/12/11


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