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God Said Give To The Poor

From a Christian blogger (not these):

"Yes! I would like to hear more of: "God told me to sell everything i have and give to the poor." Nope. you don't hear THAT one too often!"

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StrongAxe, Jesus was talking about LITTLE CHILDREN in that verse. Not grown adults who ought to know better. This is the kind of thinking that has got this country off track. That's why we have people protesting in the streets demanding everything for nothing and blaming other people for where they are in life. We could do that all day long, everyone could find someone else to blame for everything if they wanted. The truth is, no one can really make you do anything, and if you do feel pressured by people, it was your choice to associate with those people anyways. When people start realizing that they are where they are in life because of choices and actions that they made, then we can see less poverty. You are responsible for what you do.
---Jed on 11/23/11


Jed:

If the devil makes you do it, it is both your fault, AND the devil's fault.

Matthew 18:6 (also Mark 9:42 and Luke 17:2) [NIV]
"If anyone causes one of these little ones - those who believe in me - to stumble, it would be better for them to have a large millstone hung around their neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea."

He did not say that all the blame rested entirely on those who stumbled (even though they ought have known beetter). The majority of the blame went to those who caused them to stumble.
---StrongAxe on 11/22/11


StrongAxe, there are pushy people everwhere, but that does not take away the consumer's ability and responsibility to make a good choice. So are you trying to tell me that it would not have been your fault if you took the loan you couldn't have afforded simply because you were encouraged to do so? Or that if your friend went ahead and got the new car and couldn't pay for it, it would have been the dealer's fault because he pressured her and she didn't say no? The 'devil made me to it' excuse hasn't worked for a long time. There are temptations and pressure everywhere in life, but that doesn't take the blame off the person that gives in to them. Nobody ever said making the right choice was easy. It's called it making tough choices.
---Jed on 11/22/11


Jed:

The last time I opened a bank account, the banker tried to get me to take out a homeowner's line of credit, even though I had no interest in doing so.

Also, a friend recently took a relative to a car dealership. The dealer tried to get her to trade her car in for a newer model. After she expressed no interest, he refused to return her car keys three times, trying to offer her something else. Only when my friend insisted very vocally that the keys be returned did the dealer finally return them. This dealer was not interested in her welfare, only his own commission.
---StrongAxe on 11/22/11


StrongAxe, banks don't coerce anyone into getting a loan. As I pointed out earlier, banks don't go knocking on people's doors to give them loans. People go to them. And they are very selective of who they give loans to. Banks turn away most people who apply for loans. And even those who do get loans get one for a much lower amount than they were seeking. And as I also said, the government has forced banks to give loans to people who have bad credit, then blame the banks when people default on their loans. Your assertion that salesmen are responsible for people buying things they can't afford is absurd. People should have the ability to use self control to make good choices when deciding whether or not to buy something.
---Jed on 11/21/11




Jed:

I am saying it is morally wrong to try to cause someone to do something that is against his own interests. (i.e. you wouldn't want them to do it to you, so you shouldn't do it to them).

As such, it is wrong for someone to try to coerce you to buy something he knows very well you don't need , or will cause you harm.
---StrongAxe on 11/21/11


Rhonda, the fact is I don't send anyone to hell. Those who are already going that way is Adam's fault. Those who are saved is because God reached out and saved them. Where ever you are heading, only God knows already. I have no control over that. I only have control on how I respond to your answers that people are stupid, but you are not. Jesus did ask the rich man to sell everything, not to help the poor but to convict his heart that there was still sin in his heart. So no, God doesn't ask anyone to sell everything, but then again, maybe He did ask some that we don't know, and they did. Only God knows.
---Mark_V. on 11/21/11


Rhonda:

You said: God did not tell ANYONE to sell everything and give to the poor that is a LIE from Satan ...

You forgot:

Matthew 19:21 (also Mark 10:21)
"Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me."

You said: people make financial mistakes GAMBLING their futures away by taking on EXCESSIVE debt

NOTHING in life is certain. Stupidity depends on whether a choice is reasonable. People make choices (like mortgages) assuming their jobs won't suddenly disappear. If THAT is too risky, how about the Pilgrims sailing to the new world? Should they have stayed home?
---StrongAxe on 11/20/11


StrongAxe, I just want to make sure I'm getting this right. You are saying that it is wrong for people to try to sell you something you don't need, right? And you are also saying that it is their fault if a consumer doesn't exercise self control to make good choices? You're making it sound like it's wrong to make a profit. Are you one of those that thinks capitalism is evil?
---Jed on 11/20/11


Maybe the reason God didn't tell you to sell everything and give to the poor, you were too smart to do that.
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God did not tell ANYONE to sell everything and give to the poor that is a LIE from Satan who sells that LIE to the false ministers of this world keeping many in abject poverty with NO HOPE

too bad your on a high horse trotting away to never-never-land Mark you MISSED most of my points to SELL YOUR bogus idea's about me

nothing NEW from you hey if your not swimming in your self-professing "christian LYING love" sending people to hell you just make up LIES about them because you are emotionally immature
---Rhonda on 11/20/11




However, you can't just assume that everyone in that situation is stupid.
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YES I can and so should you ...how much more backwards can America become?????

people make financial mistakes GAMBLING their futures away by taking on EXCESSIVE debt and these people point their fingers whine cry and carry on (much like Mark did in his post) and people like you pander to their irresponsibility

America will NEVER WAKE UP the people in this country have collectively become a welfare nation ...demanding more yet doing less

easy to see when majority SUPPORT those who are financially irresponsible getting on the band-wagon pointing fingers for them so they don't have to take responsibility for their mistakes
---Rhonda on 11/20/11


Rhonda:

I was not spinning anything. I was merely replying to your comment about people being stupid in taking out mortgages. Yes, it is true that some people take on obligations they have no business taking on, and over-extend themselves. However, you can't just assume that everyone in that situation is stupid. There are many people who plan wisely, but are unfortunate enough to work for others who don't (like the big auto makers who needed billions in bail-outs), or who invest in seemingly legitimate companies that embezzle their money (like Enron). You might as well blame the people who lived during the Great Depression in the 1930s for being so stupid to choose to be born at such a time.
---StrongAxe on 11/20/11


Rhonda, well then you should praise God you are smarter then those who got swindled. You should be thankful nothing like that can happen to you. What you should do is be a little humble here Rhonda, give them a break, they were just not born as smart as you. If they knew what you know, they would not be in the spot they are in. Lets blame God, because He didn't give them the brains He gave you. Maybe the reason God didn't tell you to sell everything and give to the poor, you were too smart to do that.
---Mark_V. on 11/20/11


Rhonda:

Yes, people who had jobs decided to buy houses, and expected those jobs to pay them wages with which to pay off their mortgages.
*****

spin spin spin and more spin

the original post was about banks LENDING too much

NOTHING about people loosing their jobs

stick with the TOPIC rather than introducing spin

but to add to your ignorance NOTHING guarantees a job forever
---Rhonda on 11/19/11


These people that bought the mortages didn't know they were going to be over their heads. The banks did
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more financial ignorance?

so these poor people were too stupid too understand their mortgage payment was absurd in comparison to what they made?

economic spin ...bad economy WORSE if unprepared financially for those CHOOSING more house then they could afford ...WANTED bigger house banks made it happen - people GAMBLED on a good economy INSTEAD of being financially responsible choosing a smaller house smaller mortgage payment and SAVING money for future

REALITY of the self-appointed victims irresponsibility ...ZERO responsibility equals point finger at anyone or anything other than ones own choices
---Rhonda on 11/19/11


God said give to the poor so fannie mae and freddie mac put pressure on banks to loan money to people the banks knew couldn't pay. Now, the poor have all these expensive homes and they are in forclosure. I wonder is thats what God meant? I doubt it. The poor are not the lazy.
---shira4368 on 11/19/11


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Jed:

I didn't blame workers. They are told what scripts to read.

It depends on the company. While there's nothing wrong with offering options (i.e. customers are best served by being well informed), it's a different matter if a company takes an active role trying to sell someone something they don't need, especially with high pressure tactics.

For example, when you buy computers (with narrow profit margins), companies try to sell you add-ons and warranties (with higher margins) whether you want them or not. In this way, they are serving themselves AT THE EXPENSE OF their customers.

As for electronics, you could say the same for food. Nobody NEEDS fancy food. Yet Jesus never complained about wine or feasts, etc.
---StrongAxe on 11/18/11


StrongAxe, So the McDonalds workers are to blame also if someone chooses to buy fries when they are offered? Banks don't seek people out to give them loans, people go to the banks and are often times seeking a larger loan than the bank will give them. Salesmen are greedy if they try to sell something you don't need? That would make most business evil. All electronics stores are evil because no one really NEEDS a TV or a CD player. Candy stores are evil because people certainly don't need that junk food. Soda companies too. How can a business be responsible for offering a service some people can't afford. No one is forcing these people, just giving them the option which they can say no to. People make their own choices.
---Jed on 11/18/11


Jesus said WORK. Noah was not saved before he worked to build the ark, but after, after obeying God's Commandment to Work. Like a self-serving buffet, some people pick and choose only those items that they like to eat, rather than a complete balanced meal. Some select only the "love" verses, and some the "blessing" verses, but very very few select the "work", the "do" and the "obey" verses. "This we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should they eat." II Thes.3:10.
---Eloy on 11/17/11


Rhonda:

Yes, people who had jobs decided to buy houses, and expected those jobs to pay them wages with which to pay off their mortgages.

How foolish and naive of them to assume that their jobs would actually last, especially people who worked for companies like the auto makers (who got themselves into WAY more debt than any private mortgage holder, and who OUGHT to have had executives who knew better).


Jed:

A responsible store sells people what they actually need. A greedy store convinces people they need things they don't need, just to sell more. Sales workers are mandated from above to try to upsell. Ever heard "Do you want fries with that?"? If I NEEDED fries I would have ASKED for them.
---StrongAxe on 11/18/11


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Strongaxe, I completely agree with you and most certainly disagree with Rhonda again. These people that bought the mortages didn't know they were going to be over their heads. The banks did. I know of three people that got loans thinking they could cover them, and when their payments went up they could not afford their homes anymore. And that was before the prize of houses went down. I suppose the people don't know what really happens to their mortage after they get it from their banks. Those mortages are sold to others for money. The bank makes money on every loan they sell out.
---Mark_V. on 11/18/11


Our recent financial fiasco is due, in large part, because banks offered mortgages to people they knew could not afford them.
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how sad you mean these people were too stupid to figure out they WANTED more house then they could afford?? sorry I don't buy stupidity as an excuse unfortunate you do

comes right back to RESPONSIBILITY!!!

just because a bank OFFERS more than one can truly afford for a mortgage does not mean one must take the higher mortgage ...NOBODY is twisting your arm to take a ridiculous mortgage that leaves you house rich and cash poor NOBODY

irresponsibility is the trademark of the BLAME GAME
---Rhonda on 11/17/11


Banks do everything they can to encourage people to borrow. Our recent financial fiasco is due, in large part, because banks offered mortgages to people they knew could not afford them. -StrongAxe 11/16/11

Of course banks encourage people to borrow, that's the business their in. Just like a shoe store will encourage people to buy new shoes. Or an electronics store will encourage people to buy a TV. Are these people to blame if someone who could not afford it buys a new TV or pair of shoes?Also, banks have been under pressure from the fed to give loans to people who wouldn't normally qualify. In fact, right now Obama is pushing banks to give new loans and refinancing to people who have defulted on their previous mortgages.
---Jed on 11/17/11


Jed:

Banks do everything they can to encourage people to borrow. Our recent financial fiasco is due, in large part, because banks offered mortgages to people they knew could not afford them.

There was an article on CNN just a few days ago about banks complaining about how MUCH cash they had. When a bank has cash on hand, thaat money gains no interest. The more liquid a bank is, the worse it is for the bank. The banks WANT to loan money. They NEED to loan money. As many loans are insured, it is in the bank's interest to loan money to people whether they can afford them or not, because it's a win-win situation. If they repay, the bank gets interest, and if they don't, the bank's losses are covered by insurance.
---StrongAxe on 11/16/11


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Jed: 'Actually it's the complete opposite. The rich are the ones who pay taxes......... 'In most ways it is. But the real question is WHAT DOES GOD WANT? Acts 4:32 No one claimed that any of his possessions was his own, but they shared everything they had.

I DO NOT THINK this will work in a large community, but it worked in Acts. Just giving MONEY to the poor is a long-term failure.

What about giving opportunities? Taking someone in (homeless) saying you'll be here,for six weeks, then find a job (address is ESSENTIAL).

I know, Jed, I've never done it!

But I've helped someone to buy food each week - a partly disabled woman with three children. Now they call me 'father' (their real father is DEAD)

Opportunity
---Peter on 11/16/11


The west works by taking from the poor and giving to the rich. -StrongAxe 11/14/11

Actually it's the complete opposite. The rich are the ones who pay taxes and the money is re-distributed to the poor through welfare and other social programs. The poor pay no taxes at all, and the rich receive no money. As for the banks getting the poor in debt, the banks cannot force someone to take a loan. People make bad choices and get loans and buy things they cannot afford. You can't blame someone for loaning them money. The people to blame are the ones who irresponsibly buy things on loans and live beyond their means with no intention on paying it back. Welfare and social programs are ruining our people by enabling this behavior.
---Jed on 11/16/11


Jed:

You spoke of witnesses to going to the bathroom. Most truths do not have such such witnesses. Truth is established by 2-3 witnesses, i.e. to have any authority to convince others so they may rely on it.

If someone says he has a car, good for him. But if he says God wants us all to stand on our heads, he better have proof.


The west works by taking from the poor and giving to the rich. Banks get people into debt, then milk them for interest and fees. Wealthy nations do the same to poor nations.

Similarly, government make welfare hard to leave. If welfare recipients get jobs paying even a fraction of what welfare pays, they lose health insurance, that costs much more than the difference.
---StrongAxe on 11/14/11


Pro 1:22 How long, ye simple ones, will ye love simplicity? and the scorners delight in their scorning, and fools hate knowledge?
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AMEN many are fools for lack of knowledge preferring to believe the LIES the poor "have short-comings" and are "victims" and MANY will even use Satan as the BLAME

Christ said HE came so we can have life more abundantly

religion society and the liberal agenda TEACH the big lie "rich" are to blame for "poor"

fact is religion teaches many it is pious to live in abject poverty a bold lie contradicting Christs very words

big difference between being broke (temporarily without money HAVING hope) and the acceptance of a life of poverty
---Rhonda on 11/12/11


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rest of us JUST LOOK AROUND and can VERIFY truth by a simpleton process..---Rhonda on 11/10/11

Pro 1:22 How long, ye simple ones, will ye love simplicity? and the scorners delight in their scorning, and fools hate knowledge?

keep throwing stones at things you cannot verify by sight.

Eph_6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

Please forgive others as God forgives you for your shortcomings (which you continually make very evident.)
---aka on 11/12/11


Some people are poor because of circumstance. Others are poor because they are lazy and wait for the government to give them money every month. I would give a poor person in a bad circumstance anything I have but I wouldn't give a penny to someone too lazy to work.
---shira4368 on 11/11/11


I asked that because it was an accusation against a large number of people.

Accusations against groups of people need your 'countless witnesses to testify of that truth'.
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"no truth" because of impossibility of collecting "countless witnesses" to testify only for those who prefer LIES ...rest of us JUST LOOK AROUND and can VERIFY truth by a simpleton process ...seeing comprehending reality that MAJORITY of poor have want-i-tis ...wanting more material things then their money can buy

choice of poverty stems from irresponsibility often hundreds of wrong or no actions THEN pointing finger blaming anyone or any circumstance ...society plays into the victim mentality with the countless witness theory
---Rhonda on 11/10/11


Jed, if you only want to count the people in the states then you are very close to been right. Every opportunity is given here. I believe that is the problem, just too much freedom and people want things for free. We even have people from other countries studying here for free and then go back with an education paid by those who pay taxes. Yet, even then there are some who don't ask to be born very poor. I am talking about those who are born. Not those who are grown up and can work.
---Mark_V. on 11/10/11


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MarkV, I agree about that as far as people being born in other countries like Africa. I live in the U.S. so I only speak on experience in the U.S. With that being said, in the U.S. poverty is a choice for adults, the ones who are complaining about it. Most people in the U.S. do not know what poverty really is. I was born and grew up in poverty but as an adult am building a successful life. It certainly has not been easy but it was done through tough choices. At times I chose to save money rather than eat in order to get ahead, so I don't always feel the need to give to those who have less than I do because they chose to buy things I did without. I do give alot to those who are really trying and sacraficing to build a better life.
---Jed on 11/10/11


Peter, I do agree with you concerning the poor. We should not group them all together. Maybe not even the rich. When I hear about the love of God and how He loves everyone and wants everyone to be save, I know right away that is not true at all. He permits people to be born in countries with no food found, and millions die. He permits many to be rich. Also permits the gospel to be close to some, and not close to others. In the Old Testament, only Israel was privileged to have the gospel. Millions died without that gospel presented to them. So things are not equal by any means. He still loves the world He Created. By our persception of love, it's wrong, but not by God's.
---Mark_V. on 11/10/11


Jed, I agree with you on the rich people but disagree with you on the many of the poor. Millions don't choose where to be born, and they are born in poverty. They didn't choose to born there. In the country of Africa, children are born where there is no food or water. Millions die everyday. Not only there but in other countries. Another thing to consider is, "what is poor?" how much less should a person have to be called poor? In the U.S, it could be different then in other countries. Just something I thought about while reading your comments. I agree on the part of the rich, and also with Rhonda, because many rich people give, and don't announce it to be proud.
---Mark_V. on 11/10/11


But I agree that a large portion is poor, not because they 'chose' but because they were unable to sort things out properly (lifestyle or responsibility)

But don't class everyone in that group
---Peter on 11/9/11

God did not create people to live the irresponsible and ungodly lifestyles that lead to poverty, that is something that people choose to do. Every moment, every action is a result of choice, and those choices have consequences, good or bad. Many that are successful got to where they are by chosing to give up luxuries and wants, even neccessities like meals or healthcare, in order to save money or invest it. Some people think they should have it all without having to make those tough choices.
---Jed on 11/9/11


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Jed: I like your bathroom comment, but I feel it is not actually relevant. If I say that, it can be assumed by common sense.

I asked that because it was an accusation against a large number of people.

Accusations against groups of people need your 'countless witnesses to testify of that truth'.

That is the most common way, but it doesn't apply to everyone

Your comment is much better, though I feel that we cannot class ALL the poor in that group.

But I agree that a large portion is poor, not because they 'chose' but because they were unable to sort things out properly (lifestyle or responsibility)

But don't class everyone in that group
---Peter on 11/9/11


James, have you used the bathroom today? We can all assume you did but without the verification of two or three witnesses we could all call you a liar, right? Since you are one who demands witnesses for everything thats said. As far as poor being a choice, that is a truth that has been known for millenia with countless witnesses to testify of that truth. Many think that if all the wealth were taken from the rich and given to the poor then the poor would be better off. That's not the case, the poor would still be poor because the problems was never an income problem to begin with, it's a lifestyle problem, a choices problem, and often times a pride problem. The rich giving all their money to the poor just makes everyone poor.
---Jed on 11/8/11


I question Franklin graham's salary of $1.2 million/year. who is greedy now
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you personally KNOW how much of his salary is given away and to WHICH charities

many "rich/wealthy" NEVER need to announce, proclaim, or have their names splashed all over the headlines with money they give

TRULY impossible to calculate what a wealthy person gives if they GIVE as GOD commanded - because anything one does including giving away money should be done for GOD not to have their own name in lights

because "giving" gets you NOTHING including salvation if it is all for show

many who "give away" all they have "for a god" OFTEN remind others of their piousness
---Rhonda on 11/3/11


Rhonda: 'many who are "poor" choose to be poor'

What evidence do you have? Do you have the two or three witnesses?

If not, do not judge.
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interesting YOU are the one who ASSUMED I "judged" the poor

fact is I simply made a statement

the EVIDENCE??? are you serious? just look around - unless you bury YOUR HEAD in the sand and PRETEND it is not EVIDENT!!!

poor is a CHOICE to make any other claim is irresponsible ...it is amazing how so many pander to others and the choices they have made in life ...no small wonder children today have a difficult time assessing right from wrong when the lines of RESPONSIBILITY have become so blurred
---Rhonda on 11/3/11


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Rhonda: 'many who are "poor" choose to be poor'

What evidence do you have? Do you have the two or three witnesses?

If not, do not judge.

Remember you may suspect, but that's not a reason to accusse
---James on 11/2/11


Sell everything and give to the poor: only to some is this said.

But BE READY to give: A permanent commandment.

The church I go to, we had a former Al Qaeda (spelling) member, in the US to make bombs. His car crashed, two Christians met him at the hospital, paid his medical bills (large, I'm sure) sheltered him for months.....

What is he now? A missionary to the Muslims

It may come to you, too: A case where you must give all or most of your belongings to someone, when God gives you a need in another
---Peter on 11/2/11


charity has become BIG business. you see many charity organization making billions & its CEOs are making millions.

who is that ME? I don't hear that from rich televangelist like Pat robertson hinn, mayer, copeland & other rich televangelists sell everything & help the poor. the suffering is big business big profit. I question Franklin graham's salary of $1.2 million/year. who is greedy now. who is a cafeteria christian. these philantropist love their money & position. BUT DON'T JUDGE THEM.
---mike on 11/2/11


atheist:

Since you do not believe God exists, what criteria do you use to determine what God would and would not do?
---StrongAxe on 10/30/11


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"God would never tell anyone to sell their possessions and give to the poor.God does not believe in forgiveness or charity of any kind. You should expect to be punished by hell fire for even thinking such thoughts. I your brother is down from starvation kill him, it will be one less mouth to feed. If your brother was willing to work he could eat and feed his family. Kill them too."-atheist on 10/22/11
--Wow, atheist, you have natural selection and survival of the fit down in a nutshell, awesome testimony of life without God.
---micha9344 on 10/28/11


atheist:

If God does not exist, there is no absolute objective source of morality. The best you can have is personal opinion. For example, you might believe that "anything that promotes common weal is good", but that is just an opinion - you can't objectively prove that the benefit to humans is, say, is more important than benefit to animals, or plants, or the ecology, etc. Without an objective set of values, the word "should" is meaningless, as is any value judgment that prefers one action over another.
---StrongAxe on 10/28/11


\\further God is NOT instructing anyone to sell all they have and give to the poor ...many who are "poor" choose to be poor and EXPECT and often demand handouts because they cry poor\\

How many such do you know, Rhonda?
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MANY - it is CALLED welfare

MANY MORE it is called ungratefulness for having a little and hating those who have more - and that can simply be found in the workplace

NOTHING instructs mankind to give ALL to the poor - ONLY RCC sold that to its blinded followers - how clear that is - she is THE RICHEST sovereign nation because many believe her LIES to give all they have to HER
---Rhonda on 10/26/11


Look people, no one is forced to give anything or everything. In fact you don't have to give nothing. When Christians give, they give from the heart, because they are convicted to help. If you find all kinds of reason why not to help then don't. In the end we are all judge by our actions motives and desires, whether for rewards at "the Judgment Seat of Christ," or for our sinful actions at "the Great White Throne of Judgment."
---Mark_V. on 10/26/11


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Why did Jesus tell the rich young ruler to sell what he had and give it to the poor? Because the young ruler could not take care of business and follow Jesus at the same time. Jesus also told the rich ruler to keep the commandments and the man said he already kept them. This fellow lost out because although he kept the commandments of God, he did not follow Jesus. He had too much money and too many possessions and he refused to get rid of them so that he could follow and learn from the Lamb of God. Rev. 14:12, Rev. 12:17 and Matt. 19:16-26.
---barb on 10/23/11


Steven, have you given up everything you have? Sold everything? Car, motorcycle, house, clothes, and given all your money away, Or have you kept some things for yourself? What says you?
---Mark_V. on 10/23/11


Hey, Atheist, you're back. You keep us on our toes. Blessings to you! :)
---God.is.everywhere on 10/22/11


God would never tell anyone to sell their possessions and give to the poor.God does not believe in forgiveness or charity of any kind. You should expect to be punished by hell fire for even thinking such thoughts. I your brother is down from starvation kill him, it will be one less mouth to feed. If your brother was willing to work he could eat and feed his family. Kill them too.
---atheist on 10/22/11


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Steveng:

The command to sell all one's possessions and give all the proceeds to the poor was not given to all, but to one specific rich man. That command was not given for the benefit of the poor (since, no matter what we do, the poor will be with us always), but rather for the benefit of that rich man himself. He allowed his riches to rule over him, and he needed to be freed from that particular bondage. While it is true that there are many in the same position, there are many others who have possessions that do not possess them, but who may have other forms of bondage that they need to be freed from.
---StrongAxe on 10/22/11


Will denominational churches give up and sell all of its worldly possessions to give to the poor?
---Steveng on 10/21/11


If God really speaks to someone and command him or her to sell everything and give to the poor, we are to do that. But I doubt if that will happen in these days and ages. In those days things were very different. There were not many social agencies and help around as it is today. There are million of ways to seek help now. If someone need anything, they only need go a few blks from their home in most cities and towns in the US. In 3rd world and undeveloped countries,that's another story. But God is able to take care of his own.We are to do for ourself, as much as lies within our power. God takes care of the rest.
---Robyn on 10/21/11


The poor will always be with us. He wants us to have compassion on those who are less fortunate in the world. For those who help the poor will reap the benefits of the Lord's blessings upon them. Stay Bless!!!
---kimbe7395 on 10/21/11


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hello! again- I think the spirit of the Lord,really came through the text here by our Sis.Reba,that's how my grandma taught home church a small child! My best friend (Sis.Angel) she did give up everything! 'n her life(never a husband) no cash,no apt. She literally took vs.Sell all ...Giv to the poor... she ended up missing,no one knows if she dead or alive.. I look'd for any news...nothing! She not even take care of her self..The poor meant more!
---ELENA on 10/20/11


further God is NOT instructing anyone to sell all they have and give to the poor ...many who are "poor" choose to be poor and EXPECT and often demand handouts because they cry poor

if all the worlds rich gave to all the worlds poor today the poor would STILL consume it all and want more and the rich would figure a way to earn money again ...many "poor" have not learned and don't care to learn how to earn a living
---Rhonda on 10/20/11

Rhonda, I am going to have to give that one of the biggest AMENs I've ever give on this site. You said it plainly and accurately.
---Jed on 10/20/11


Darlene //God deals with each person on an indiviual basis. You can't buy salvation or God's favor.
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Amen!

And one may say that one cannot raise up a child to be a Christian as each must decide for themselves.

You can teach a child all about God, but ultimately the decision is his to accept God's offer of salvation or to reject it.

As to whether we need give all we have to the poor is really a matter of what God leads us to do. All too often those blessed with wealth are those who contribute the most to charity.
---lee1538 on 10/20/11


hello! Everyone,yes! Cluny I had a very close friend,Sis.Angel (not her real name) in N.Y.C. when I lived there,she actually,was from a very rich family and she got very much into the word,she talk'd alot like yourself Cluny 'n she left a prestigeousposition on Wall St. & she lead a Movement,gave up even family! 1970 -1989 alot helping the homeless,poor & prison ministries across the East Coast.she gave everything she had to help people!
---ELENA on 10/20/11


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\\further God is NOT instructing anyone to sell all they have and give to the poor ...many who are "poor" choose to be poor and EXPECT and often demand handouts because they cry poor\\

How many such do you know, Rhonda?

**When Christ told the man to sell all he had and give to the poor it was to a very rich man and relevant to that one person not a general order.**

Really?

Jesus told this to the rich man with the condition, "If you will be perfect," and you cannot deny that the Sermon on the Mount was addressed to everybody--a general order, if you like--with the precept, "Be perfect."

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/20/11


God deals with each person on an indiviual basis. You can't buy salvation or God's favor.
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Amen Darlene

the illustration is about how one man was UNABLE to walk away from his riches to follow Christ

the test was about cares of the world and its things more than Gods Kingdom

further God is NOT instructing anyone to sell all they have and give to the poor ...many who are "poor" choose to be poor and EXPECT and often demand handouts because they cry poor

if all the worlds rich gave to all the worlds poor today the poor would STILL consume it all and want more and the rich would figure a way to earn money again ...many "poor" have not learned and don't care to learn how to earn a living
---Rhonda on 10/20/11


When Christ told the man to sell all he had and give to the poor it was to a very rich man and relevant to that one person not a general order. Christ wanted to test him to see if he loved riches more than he did God. If he had given them up he would have shown God was the most important not the wealth but he couldn't let go and follow Jesus completely and was dropped by the way like many others who don't give up things God tells them to. Giving all to the poor however doesn't apply in a general statement to everyone. God deals with each person on an indiviual basis. You can't buy salvation or God's favor.
---Darlene_1 on 10/20/11


Sometimes throwing money at the poor only helps them to feel that they are some charity case who is incapable of existing without hand-outs. Also, often money is the easiest thing to give, and we would rather horde our time and attention than our money, so giving can be confusing and complex as we grow in our Christian love and desire to minister with our resources. Being a wise Stewart and a compassionate giver doesnt happen overnight. I have seen money given freely cause more bad than good, but a little time and a thoughtful act of charity can go further than a piece of paper with Benjamin Franklyn on it sometimes.
In His grip
---Poppa_Bear on 10/20/11


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True story: A building contractor in town was "converted" and became over zealous, sold his business and valuables....his wife divorced him and he ended up bankrupt and in a mental health institution!
Does Jesus' statement apply to a "family man"?
I doubt it!
---1st_cliff on 10/20/11


Luk_11:40 Ye fools, did not he that made that which is without make that which is within also?
Luk_11:41 But rather give alms of such things as ye have, and, behold, all things are clean unto you.
Luk_11:42 But woe unto you, Pharisees! for ye tithe mint and rue and all manner of herbs, and pass over judgment and the love of God: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

Mat_5:23 Therefore if thou bring thy gift to the altar, and there rememberest that thy brother hath ought against thee,
Mat_5:24 Leave there thy gift before the altar, and go thy way, first be reconciled to thy brother, and then come and offer thy gift.

Your brother come first.
---TheSeg on 10/20/11


I really feel, although it sounds he is saying sell what you have.
It never the things of this life, this world, but more the thing as you get.
Joh_14:27 Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid.

Because really what do we have? I mean that is truly ours.
Rev 3:17 Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing, and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:
Rev 3:18 I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich...
Pease
---TheSeg on 10/20/11


Reba, agree. Matt 6:21
"For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also." Although I believe this applies to more then our pocketbook...Blessings
---chria9396 on 10/20/11


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Two questions I would ask of blogger to explain content of post.
1) Are you the poor or are you trying to rally people to give like you are doing?
2) Why do you want to hear more of "..." and not do.
---Scott1 on 10/20/11


Even though we may have not actually sold everything & given to the poor, I feel certain that the true Christian, who's heart belongs to God, would be willing to do that should God ask them too. That's all God wanted from the young,rich man. God wants our sincere love. He wants our heart. Unfortunately, with most of us, our hearts are tangled up in our pocket book. When we give God our pocket book, we give Him our heart & that's the real meaning behind that scripture. Are we willing to give whatever amount God lays on our hearts? All I can say for myself is, I want to be, hope to be, & ask God to help me be the kind of person that loves Him more than life itself.
---Reba on 10/20/11


"Take heed that ye do not your alms before men, to be seen of them: otherwise ye have no reward of your Father which is in heaven.

Therefore when thou doest thine alms, do not sound a trumpet before thee, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may have glory of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.

But when thou doest alms, let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth:

That thine alms may be in secret: and thy Father which seeth in secret himself shall reward thee openly."
Matthew 6:1-4
---christan on 10/20/11


Is that what Cluny has done? lol!
---Elder on 10/20/11


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If God tells you to do it GO. "No, Lord." is an impossible statment.
---Scott1 on 10/20/11


Good point. We know (I hope) that its better to give then receive. Contrast:
Prov 22:16
"One who oppresses the poor to increase his wealth and one who gives gifts to the richboth come to poverty" and Prov 28:27
"Those who give to the poor will lack nothing, but those who close their eyes to them receive many curses."
However: 1 Cor 13:3
"If I give all I possess to the poor and give over my body to hardship that I may boast, but do not have love, I gain nothing."
Will add, Jesus said "Go, sell everything you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me." Knowing it impossible for this man. Obeying law, works not enough, does not save
---chria9396 on 10/20/11


I think God expects us to apply this with sound judgment. First, be sure you know the definition of "poor." Second, in many cases the poor are poor from spendidng on drugs or alcohol, so goods are better for them than money. Third, God expects us to care for our own family basics.
---Geraldine on 10/20/11


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