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we have the capacity to choose the predestined as Adam and Eve did:

You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. and, You shall love your neighbor as yourself.

a part of which includes: You shall not murder. thus, fulfilling the law.

calvin chose his own destination and murdered some that did not believe as he did.
---aka on 10/23/11


Warwick - Did Francis really post the SDA are the one true people of God?

Probably, but not all Adventists will hold this view.

Adventists do recognize there are Christians in other denominations, however, view themselves as Reformers called to restore the church to its once pristine state that existed prior to the dominance of the Roman Church.

Officially from Questions on Doctrine, p. 197,

'God has children, many of them, in the Protestant churches, and a large number in the Catholic churches, who are more true to obey the light and to do the very best of their knowledge than a large number among Sabbathkeeping Adventists who do not walk in the light.' Ellen White, Selected Messages, book 3, p.386.
---lee1538 on 10/23/11


//On this blog, I see only the Adventist defending the keeping of the commandments of God, many of the people here reject SOME of ALL commandments of God

That is because we Christians believe the summation of the 10 commandments is love of neighbor. It clearly states that in Romans 13:9-10.

//Isaiah 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

"They" being those that believe in the Adventists message never seen prior to the 1840's.

//The only one here defending the LAW and the TESTIMONY of God are the SDA's.

That is because Christians believe salvation is in Christ, not in the Old Covenant laws.
---lee1538 on 10/23/11


Francis has a strong argument: Revelation 14:12 "Here is a call for the endurance of the saints, those who keep the commandments of God and their faith in Jesus."

Consider also 1 John 2:3 "And by this we know that we have come to know him, if we keep his commandments."

And

Revelation 12:17 "Then the dragon became furious with the woman and went off to make war on the rest of her offspring, on those who keep the commandments of God and hold to the testimony of Jesus. And he stood on the sand of the sea."

Now over to you who say God's commandments are not to be followed. What do you say to these Scriptures?
---Warwick on 10/23/11


//And Christan, CALVIN was NEVER conformed to the image of Jesus Christ. NO MURDERER is. .... You follow the teachings of a murderer who claims to know and teach the doctrine of Predestination.

Did the governing system commit these acts, or was these deeds committed at the direction of Calvin?

If you were to look at Martin Luther, did not his teachings regarding the Jews the basis for much of the holocaust that occurs over the centuries against the Jews?

Luthers teachings on the Jews caused the death of millions.

However, what is asked is whether their theology is correct in accordance to what is found in Scripture.

If we are limited to those who were sinless, what human teachers would we have?
---lee1538 on 10/23/11




You jump around like a cat on a hot tin roof with your theology and yet you deny election and predestination. You're very confusing on where you stand.
---christan on 10/22/11

And Christan, CALVIN was NEVER conformed to the image of Jesus Christ.NO MURDERED is. Anyone can clearly see that truth. Talk about confused. You follow the teachings of a murderer who claims to know and teach the doctrine of Predestination.

Predestined to be holy and without blame?, predestined to be conformed to His image?

CALVIN????

Now that will be one cat on a hot tin roof! Or worse.
---kathr4453 on 10/23/11


It is the "spiritual Israel" who's the elect, they're "every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation." Revelation 5:9//Christan

Christan, this is where many will disagree with you.

That is something only you and your theology has interjected.

WHY, because you deny God's Mercy on ISRAEL and promises to the physical descendents...JACOB.

Isaac is the Spiritual
Jacob is the Physical

Yet you continue to claim YOUR election based on Jacob the physical descendents, and not Isaac the CALLED OUT.

In Isaac will thy seed be CALLED! doesn't say elect!
---kathr4453 on 10/23/11


The bible defines the saints of God as: Revelation 14:12 they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

On this blog, I see only the Adventist defending the keeping of the commandments of God, many of the people here reject SOME of ALL of the commandments of God

Isaiah 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

The only one here defending the LAW and the TESTIMONY of God are the SDA's.

What other conclusion can a person who KNOWS what the bible says about THE LAW and the TESTIMONY, The commandments of God and faith in Jesus dreaw?

On this blog the saints can ONLY BE SDA
---Francis on 10/23/11


God gives us the options while he gives us the free will to make the right choice.The good news is that when we are confused about what choice to make at any point in our lives, we can ask him to show us the way. I have found peace and blessing in trusting him. prov 3:5 & 6 - "Trust in the lord with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding. Acknowledge him in all your ways and he shall direct your path."
---adeba5968 on 10/23/11


We need to ask Francis if he made that comment about the SDA being the real church. It seems out of character for him. Other blogs have been posted which did not come from the person named below.

Maybe Francis did write this in annoyance, in reaction to beliefs attributed to him, which he had never supported?

What do you say Francis?
---Warwick on 10/23/11




//God is giving a message to those on this blog that His church IS THE SEVENTHDAY ADVENTIST CHURCH.\\

Not the real God, Francis.

But then, SDAs have never worshipped the real God anyway.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/23/11


The Seventh-Day Adventist Church is the true church!

Rev 1:20 The mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in my right hand, and the seven golden candlesticks. The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches: and the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches.
---TheSeg on 10/23/11


Kathr the problem is you. You have no answer to what they write and the passages they give, so you resort to name calling and accusations. you cannot answer what they say, so you try to build a case against them. those are evil actions coming from you so why do you do them? Why is it that you cannot answer like the others?
---Adam on 10/23/11


You jump around like a cat on a hot tin roof with your theology and yet you deny election and predestination. You're very confusing on where you stand.
---christan on 10/22/11

Christan, I don't deny election or predestination. I just don't believe calvin's take on the subjects.

I already explained both. Unfortunately you just never understood it. Even if Adam & Eve NEVER SINNED, they would never be conformed to the image of Jesus Christ.

ONLY those being Conformed to His Image understand the true doctrine of Predestination.

I also b3lieve in eternal secutiry too.
---kathr4453 on 10/23/11


Warwick, well said. Anyway, you can decide for yourself what's humorous. Keep on keepin' on!
---God.is.everywhere on 10/22/11


I'm relieved to learn that the Seventh-Day Adventist Church is the true church. Now at least I know. :)
---God.is.everywhere on 10/22/11


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Jerry //What? I thought that was YOUR view! Isn't it you who routinely bashes Ellen White - the greatest teacher to the church since the Apostles?
---
Do you really follow all of her 'infallible' teachings?

Hot biscuit raised with soda or baking powder should never appear upon our tables. Such compounds are unfit to enter the stomach. Healthful Living by Ellen White, p.81

If we subsist largely upon the flesh of dead animals, we shall partake of their nature. p. 101

The Bible NOWHERE teaches that use of intoxicating wine, either as a beverage or as a symbol of the blood of Christ. p. 113 (Jesus sinned when He drank wine or that wine was mere grapejuice!)

White borrowed extensively from other authors.
---lee1538 on 10/22/11


Godiseverywhere, where is my sense of humour? Alive and well and a constant problem for the religious.

Are you attempting to be humourous?
---Warwick on 10/22/11


//God is giving a message to those on this blog that His church IS THE SEVENTHDAY ADVENTIST CHURCH.

Francis also has a sense of humor that makes other laugh.

What is the church? That body of all true believers that are indwelt by God's Spirit. Romans 8:9b

The church is built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone,...Eph. 2:20

But you Adventists really have a problem since NONE of the unique doctrines held by Adventists were taught by either the Apostles, Jesus Christ or the Prophets and one cannot find anything in the ancient records that support the view one must observe the dietary laws or the Jewish Sabbath.
---lee1538 on 10/22/11


It does not matter what the topic is, Seventh day adventist seem to come up.

God is giving a message to those on this blog that His church IS THE SEVENTHDAY ADVENTIST CHURCH
---francis on 10/22/11


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Warwick, where's your sense of humor? :)
---God.is.everywhere on 10/22/11


"The whole point of Romans 9:11 is that Israel is God's elect, and always will be."

If you're right, the children of Israel wouldn't have crucified their Lord. Paul wouldn't have said, "For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel. Romans 9:7. There are two kinds of Israel that Paul is teaching here. One is the natural seed after Abraham in the flesh and the other is after Abraham by faith.

It is the "spiritual Israel" who's the elect, they're "every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation." Revelation 5:9

You jump around like a cat on a hot tin roof with your theology and yet you deny election and predestination. You're very confusing on where you stand.
---christan on 10/22/11


\\Isn't it you who routinely bashes Ellen White - the greatest teacher to the church since the Apostles?\\

In the 1850s, EGW was at an Adventist conference, at which she wrote, "My angel showed me that of those present, some would be food for worms, some would be subjects of the 7 last plagues, and others would be aive to be caught up with Jesus when He returned."

Assuming there were babies being born right at that minute at the conference, they would be nearly 160.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/22/11


Lee, do not allow the tempter to get to you. Be strong in the Lord, Continue to use the word of God against her, just say as Jesus did to the devil when Jesus was tempted, "for it is written" or " get behind me satan.
---Adam on 10/22/11

The problem is Adam, Leej doesn't use the word of God, he uses the word of commentaries and Gnostics. There is no power in commentaries and Gnostic teachings. God only empowered HIS WORD.

You may want to pay attention to the conversation Adam. DON'T BE LIKE THE ORIGINAL ADAM.
---kathr4453 on 10/22/11


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Godiseverywhere, which God?
---Warwick on 10/22/11


Lee: "What I truly dislike is your view that we are not to listen to the teachers the Lord has given to His church."

What? I thought that was YOUR view! Isn't it you who routinely bashes Ellen White - the greatest teacher to the church since the Apostles?
---jerry6593 on 10/22/11


The fruit of Cain and those whom God hates were created to be vessels of dishonor (Romans 9) is UNBELIEF IN HIS WORD!

"And when He is come, He will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: of sin, because they believe not on Me." John 16:8,9////

EXACTLY CHRISTAN, AND THAT IS WHY THEY ARE CALLED MURDERERS FROM TEH BEGINNING...THEY ARE SATAN'S SEED.
John 8:44
Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
---kathr4453 on 10/22/11


Lee, do not allow the tempter to get to you. Be strong in the Lord, Continue to use the word of God against her, just say as Jesus did to the devil when Jesus was tempted, "for it is written" or " get behind me satan.
---Adam on 10/22/11


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You do get it now Christan don't you...


It's murderers who abide not in the truth. It's been that way from the beginning of time.And scriptures are steeped with those MURDERERS who hated God's People. They murdered the prophets too. And believe me when I say there were RELIGIOUS MEN doing it as well.

It doesn't get any clearer than that.
---kathr4453 on 10/22/11


The whole point of Romans 9-11 is that Israel is God's elect, and always will be.

He can do with them as he pleases, and crush them and mold them again.

WHY because of the promises he made to Abraham.

And when, after the Rapture, all Israel will be saved,WHO ARE YOU Oh Christan, markv, and leej to give God any lip about it, now or then!

Yep, if you do happen to still be here and that takes plece, you like Pharoah( arrogant gentiles) will know YOU were molded to destruction, so that GOD's Glory will riegn in proving His promises to Israel.

ZECHARIAH 12-14
---kathr4453 on 10/22/11


mike:

The very fact that we need to be told to obey, that we can choose to be disobedient proves that we are not robots. Robots would automatically obey without needing to be told.
---StrongAxe on 10/22/11


Warwick, yes, it may expose my silly game. So I'd better stay coy. God bless. :)
---God.is.everywhere on 10/21/11


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aren't we told to OBEY? and if choose to decide you are accused of DISOBEDIENCE - which is SIN.
that is why many ARE BRAINWASHED.
yet the verses given to you get you in trouble. then christians STILL ACCUSE YOU OF sin.
---mike on 10/21/11


The fruit of Cain and those whom God hates were created to be vessels of dishonor (Romans 9) is UNBELIEF IN HIS WORD!

"And when He is come, He will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: of sin, because they believe not on Me." John 16:8,9

There's no greater sin than one who does not belief in what God tells him/her in the Holy Scripture, and guess who God created to make this example. Adam and Eve and their posterity (mankind). And Paul tells us that such were created for God to demonstrate His wrath:

"What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction." Romans 9:22
---christan on 10/21/11


Godiseverywhere, the question is does anything matter to you? If so why?

Why are you so coy about answering? Do you imagine it will expose your silly game?
---Warwick on 10/21/11


9:20 But who are you, O man, to answer back to God? Will what is molded say to its molder, Why have you made me like this?///


Leej, according to your doctrine, no unregenerate depraved man could ever make such a statement in the first place since they have no knowledge of God to begin with.

So, Paul, the answer is NO, we are not robots. A robot could never ask too, why have you made me thus, since robots can't think on their own.
---kathr4453 on 10/21/11


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The Fruit of Cain,

The Murderer John Calvin
is nothing more than a descendent of Cain, who murdered his brother. Any Christian who murders in the name of God is nothing more than any religious fanatical group we see today.

Calvin MURDERED CHRISTIANS. There is no excuse for this.

Paul murdered before his salvation, but NEVER after.

Paul shows us CHANGE, Calvin shows us NOTHING!

There is nothing John Calvin can say that would ever impress me!
---kathr4453 on 10/21/11


Leej, never once since my salvation have I ever asked....Why did you put a New Heart in me. Why am I created After:

Ephesians 4:24
And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.

Colossians 3:10
And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:


I've never replied back to God, but only THANKED HIM for my NEW LIFE IN HIM!
---kathr4453 on 10/21/11


//Oh I thought you were bashing those who LOVED the PURE milk of the WORD called the BIBLE in leu of the Institutes of Calvin.

Not at all bashing those who truly love God's word, milk or meat.

What I truly dislike is your view that we are not to listen to the teachers the Lord has given to His church.

If we did study then we become more enabled to understand God's word, grow spiritually, and maybe even be of more use to His church.

You seem to have the narrow-minded criteria that you can find one interpretation you disagree with, we should denounce all of their views.

Any minister should be able to tell you that all of Calvins works are based on scripture or the work of his predessors on the scripture.
---lee1538 on 10/21/11


Kathr4453 //However the NEW CREATURE IN CHRIST is no longer CLAY, ....blab blab blab....
---
The illustration given in Romans 9 pertains to individuals NOT to the nation of Israel.

Pharaoh Romans 9:17 For the Scripture says to Pharaoh, For this very purpose I have raised you up, that I might show my power in you, ....

And Esau -

9:3 As it is written, Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated.

To man in general -

9:20 But who are you, O man, to answer back to God? Will what is molded say to its molder, Why have you made me like this?

Note he does not say, who are you, O Israel!

Kathryn should realize a personal relatioship with Jesus does not preclude one wrong interpretations. Dah!
---lee1538 on 10/21/11


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All you want to do is play the role of a fool and create dissension among others. Why should I waste my time on those who are simply not teachable and imperious to truth?
---lee1538 on 10/21/11


Oh I thought you were bashing those who LOVED the PURE milk of the WORD called the BIBLE in leu of the Institutes of Calvin.

Get your story straight leej. No one is bashing those who read the Scriptures but YOU!

LeeJ, please oh please don't waste any more time on me. Your double-mindedness is giving me a migraine!

It's Commentaries like the Institutes of Calvin that have caused dissension among others!
---kathr4453 on 10/21/11


For those that are teachable -

Romans 9 has as it illustations, Pharoah,Jacob & Esau, Moses and man in general, not the nation of Israel.

Romans 9:17 For the Scripture says to Pharaoh, For this very purpose I have raised you up, that I might show my power in you, ....

9:3 As it is written, Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated.

To man in general -

9:20 But who are you, O man, to answer back to God? Will what is molded say to its molder, Why have you made me like this?

Face it Kathryn you are simply do not like the view that God is sovereign, that He rules over man for His glory.

Do those who disagree with you lack a personal relationship with God? Dah!
---lee1538 on 10/21/11


This is for those who study the Bible !

Jeremiah 18:4
And the vessel that he made of clay was marred in the hand of the potter: so he made it again another vessel, as seemed good to the potter to make it.

Jeremiah 18:6
O house of Israel, cannot I do with you as this potter? saith the LORD. Behold, as the clay is in the potter's hand, so are ye in mine hand, O house of Israel.
---kathr4453 on 10/21/11


kath4453- That's why they have to find God in books.
---
Obviously you are a simple minded person that hates books. You may not know this but the Bible is a book.

Having been an active member of a Bible distributing society for over 30 years, I have seen many that have found God by reading a book called the Bible in a motel room.

All you want to do is play the role of a fool and create dissension among others. Why should I waste my time on those who are simply not teachable and imperious to truth?
---lee1538 on 10/21/11


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God gave us freewill. He knows what path we'll take,but lets us go anyways hopefully learinng from our mistakes. If we were robots we couldn't choose what church to go to or for some what religions to study before undestanding who he is.
---candice on 10/21/11


I hope A.W Pink read the Bible FIRST before writing anything. AW Pink found it in the Scriptures, SO CAN YOU. AW Pink can write about the Sovereignty of God SO CAN YOU. If you choose to take what you know from Scripture and Write about it , does that make you superior to someone who just reads the Bible and understands the Sovereignty of God without writing about it?
Do you actually believe God gave AW Pink something He wouldnt give you? ALL things are yours. Jesus is made unto you and me The Wisdom and Knowledge of God. Some just never read the scriptures for themselves STATING THAT FACT! Their still under the RCC mentality that only certain people can EXPLAIN the Scriptures.
---kathr4453 on 10/21/11


Even more repulsive to someone like Kathryn (who is really rebelling against the sovereignty of God) is the fact that God is the potter and we are simply the clay He chooses to mold into whatever He wishes.

Ro 9:21 Has the potter no right over the clay, to make out of the same lump one vessel for honored use and another for dishonorable use?//leej


Again, those who read the Bible know Paul was quoting from OT Scripture about Israel being "the clay". YES, a chosen people made out of the dust of the Earth.."claymations".

However the NEW CREATURE IN CHRIST is no longer CLAY, but a NEW Creature, not made out of Clay but Begotten sons through Jesus Christ. We are conformed to His Image....
---kathr4453 on 10/21/11


nowhere are we required to study the Sovereignty of God according to Calvinism!
---kathr4453 on 10/21/11


:~)
Right on!

Paul
---Paul on 10/21/11


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And of coarse the ONLY thing some know about the Sovereignty of God or God at all is what they read. No first hand knowledge.

Anyone can read my biography, but all they really know about me is what they read. THEY don't really KNOW ME.

And OH what will all those SAVED drug attics and alcoholics do that just don't have the intelligence to read after frying their brains...

Maybe what they have you don't leej is a personal relationship with Jesus Christ!

Don't you all find a WIFF of arrogance in these super intelligent people?

God gives MORE GRACE to the Humble and resists the Proud and arrogant who boast in their own achievements.

That's why they have to find God in books.
---kathr4453 on 10/21/11


//It's evident you never studied the sovereignty of God.
---
Suggested reading "The Sovereignity of God" by Arthur W. Pink.

Of course kathr4453 would not dare pick up a book on this subject since she is determined for force her own view onto what is plainly taught in scripture.

What would really angry her is to have her list the things she believes and compare them with what Calvin believed, as then she would have to admit she has much in common.

She yells 'God is not going to tell me what to do as I am the captain of my own destiny and I have the free will to do whatever I wish'.
---lee1538 on 10/21/11


It's evident you never studied the sovereignty of God.
---Mark_V. on 10/21/11

And it is evident you never studied the Gospel according to the MYSTERY!

NOW, We are to know and understand this Gospel, but nowhere are we required to study the Sovereignty of God according to Calvinism!
---kathr4453 on 10/21/11


Jed, this is what 2 Peter 3:9 says, "The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness, but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance."

Keywords: promise, us-ward, any should perish.

If God makes a promise, does He break a promise? Does "Us-ward" point to every soul of mankind or only those call His elect? Finally, "not willing that any should perish" is a "promise" only to His elect not to every mankind. If it was a promise to every soul of mankind then no-one should perish, right?

Your reluctance to cross-reference Scripture with Scripture is because of your defense in "free-will".
---christan on 10/21/11


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God sets a beginning and an end for every human and gives us the freedom to choose how we live the life in between. For those who love,trust,obey,and follow God there is the prayer of faith and the ability to ask God for our needs and even desires which he answers as we need. For those who turn from God they are left to their own devices without help. That doesn't mean we will never have troubles or trials but that God is helping us through his love and power to get through them. If everything was all mapped out,set in stone,God wouldn't answer our prayers when they change them,and he does.
---Darlene_1 on 10/21/11


//He was not WILLING that any should perish.

Even more repulsive to someone like Kathryn (who is really rebelling against the sovereignty of God) is the fact that God is the potter and we are simply the clay He chooses to mold into whatever He wishes.

Ro 9:21 Has the potter no right over the clay, to make out of the same lump one vessel for honored use and another for dishonorable use?

She really does not like God as He is God and can do whatever He wants with His creation.

If she cut out of her Bible all the truth Calvin believed on this subject, she would really have a 'holely' Bible.
---lee1538 on 10/21/11


God mandates everything in a christians life. We are to follow His precepts and commands. When we give our lives to Jesus Christ we are pleasing the Father. When we make sacrifices and obey God's will we are pleasing God. Even when it look like we are making fools of ourselves, we are to still choose Gods way. The down side: we have to be discerning and be willing to follow the leading of Gods spirit. Most christians are too weak,faithless and shallow to even know the will of God. This is why a true preacher,teachers and prophets of God, are needed. And we don't know who they truly are,these days. But this is no reason for us to give up,stop going to church or fall away from God. Only the ones who endure to the end shall be saved.
---Robyn on 10/21/11


Rhonda, you say "we are not puppets playing out a predetermined role by a divine creator". God declared: "My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure."

Puppets? Playing out? I believe in predestination and I don't see any strings attached onto me, or does a puppet feel pain and bleed or even show any signs of intelligence and emotions? Awesome right?

The sober truth about predestination is that God has already determined before time who will go to heaven and hell - and that's you hate about this doctrine. Is it going to change God's "counsel" a cubic? Most definitely not. Hopefully such a doctrine will cut you in your heart with the fear of God and beg for His mercy.
---christan on 10/21/11


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Sovereignty on Gods Covenants:
Some say God can break His Covenant promises because He is Sovereign and can do anything He wants. If that were really true, there is no assurance of eternal security with anyone, since God CAN, as they say, do what He wants when He wants just because He wants to.
There is not one Covenant in all of Scripture where God picks and Chooses anyone for Salvation. YES He Chose Israel to represent Him on earth, and Chose Israel to bring forth the Messiah. They were chosen for service, not salvation. HOWEVER Salvation is offered to Israel the same as is offered to Gentilesby faith Through Jesus Christ.
---kathr4453 on 10/21/11


There are choices that we have in this life. Here are a few great examples.
We have choice of: What type of car to drive, what school to attend, whom to marry, where to build or buy a house, what type of job to have.

But when it comes to righteous living, every thing we need to know to live a righteous life is commanded to us by God.
---Francis on 10/21/11


Warwick, why does it matter to you what matters to me? :)
---God.is.everywhere on 10/21/11


Our free will is given to us only within the will of God.
---lee1538 on 10/20/11

Oh Fabulous! And within God's WILL God said,

He was not WILLING that any should perish. SO withing God's WILL, He has extended the Gospel to whoso ever WILL!
---kathr4453 on 10/21/11


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Christian, I am in no way saying that Jesus and the Apostles wre making up stories by referencing the OT. But they did not take scripture out of context to mean something completely different. And paired scriptures that were relevent to the subject they were talking about. The verse you posted in John has nothing to do with the verse in 2 Peter.
---Jed on 10/21/11


It's evident you never studied the sovereignty of God.
---Mark_V. on 10/21/11

Mark

I try to be as respectful as possible with you , but to be quite honest, I'm really getting tired of your arrogant attitude that says if you don't agree with me you are wrong.

I have posted a statement here in the form of a question, if you would examine my post a bit more, rather than to jump to your assumptions, you would see that.

Paul
---Paul on 10/21/11


Jed, in reply to your "Going through midlife crisis" last blog, even Jesus used verses from the OT. Not to mention Paul in his epistles quoted from all over the OT to explain God's will and purposes. The entire chapters in the epistles are filled with quotations from the OT, explained in detail by Paul, Peter and John. Are you to tell me that Christ and Paul was simply just making up the Bible as they went along?

If we were to just read from one chapter without cross-referencing within the Scriptures, the result is exactly what you are sharing - NONSENSE! Salvation from God is a guarantee - only to those whom He has elected and given to His Son as John 6:37 says.

Scripture does not contradict Scripture.
---christan on 10/21/11


Godiseverewhere does anything matter to you. If so why?
---Warwick on 10/21/11


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Paul, if Rom.11:32 means anything, it's possible. :)
---God.is.everywhere on 10/20/11


Paul, if you look at Romans 1-2 you know God did not ordain or create or mastermind what you asked.

Romans 11:32 ???? accusing Israel of being ????

Really!
I see NO MERCY on Sodom and Gomrrah! Or those who perished in the Great flood.

But one can repent of this sin and be changed a NEW CREATURE In Christ.

There is hope!
---kathr4453 on 10/21/11


As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable, there is none that doeth good, no, not one.

but I have chosen you, and ordained you,
but I have chosen you out of the world,
because God hath from the beginning chosen you

Thats right not robots! You can believe the truth or not.
You think a man can choose, with freewill.
Joh_6:44

Joh_12:32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.
But you dont understand why doesnt everyone believe?
Nor will you, lift him up above all the earth.
---TheSeg on 10/21/11


Paul, you say it does matter, yes it does, to those who question the Omnipotence, Omniscience, Omnipresence of God for the purpose of getting believers to question how much power God really has, and question the very Word of God, as the serpent did, when he ask Eve, 'did God really say?".
It's evident you never studied the sovereignty of God.
Everyone has a choice in life, but that choice does not change the plan of God. He already knows all that will happen and it will happen the exact way He designed it to happen. No one will ever be able to change anything with their choices what God already knows. If they could then He is not (Omniscient) All knowing. I'm ready, start throwing the arrows against Almighty God.
---Mark_V. on 10/21/11


Do you think God made some to be oriented a specific way in their sexual preferences?
---Paul on 10/20/11

Paul, God created for boys to like girls and for girls to like boys.
---Jed on 10/20/11


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Paul, if Rom.11:32 means anything, it's possible. :)
---God.is.everywhere on 10/20/11


Do you think God made some to be oriented a specific way in their sexual preferences?

Paul
---Paul on 10/20/11


we are not puppets playing out a predetermined role by a divine creator

every decision is ours and ours alone ...we can pray for guidance however free-will given by The Father in Heaven allows us to override the right choice

if we had no choice in our lives as many lying false ministers claim then Apostles LIED instructing us to overcome

a TRUE Believers life is filled with overcoming self, the world, and Satan - it is developing the character of GOD in this life

without choice it would be impossible to develop, grow, and overcome
---Rhonda on 10/20/11


Paul, fair enough. I'll rephrase it then. It doesn't matter to me. :)
---God.is.everywhere on 10/20/11


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Paul, there's a perfect Scripture to your very question you posted here. Meditate on Isaiah 46

9 Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else, I am God, and there is none like me,

10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:

11 Calling a ravenous bird from the east, the man that executeth my counsel from a far country: yea, I have spoken it, I will also bring it to pass, I have purposed it, I will also do it.

12 Hearken unto me, ye stouthearted, that are far from righteousness.
---christan on 10/20/11


I find nothing in scripture that says that God controls everything we do. However, God's will will be done regardless of what we may desire.

Our free will is given to us only within the will of God.
---lee1538 on 10/20/11


For the last few days I've been thinking about taking the remnants of various cheeses in my refrigerator and running them through the food processor to make a cheese spread.

I finally did so just this evening. It's great.

Was this determined by God at the creation?

Glory to jesus Christ.
---Cluny on 10/20/11


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