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Are These True Prophets

During the 1800's, people like Joseph Smith(1800-1844), Ellen G. White(1827-1915), Charles Russell(1852-1916), and E.W. Kenyon(1867-1948), claimed to be Prophets of God. Are these true prophets?c

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christan, I am still hoping for answers to all those questions I asked on 10/23 on this thread. If you don't know the answers or just refuse to answer, please let me know.
---Rocky on 10/27/11


Jed 10/25/11
The last thing I would want to do is put words in God's mouth that he did not say
Rocky 10/26/11
That surprises me since you have no problem putting words in my mouth and acting like I said them. You did it repeatedly, such as on 10/21, 10/23, and again on 10/24 just on the Government Controlling Churches thread.
Jed 10/26
Real mature Rocky, making up bogus attacks. Also trying to equate the importance of your word to God's Word.
OK, There are the relevant posts for all to read. Wherein did I EVER equate the importance of my word to God's. Not by any stretch of the imagination except of Jed's who has lied repeatedly to attack me.
---Rocky on 10/27/11


Jed 10/27/11
I did not say that you wrote anything. I said that you equated the importance of your word with God's.
You didn't say I wrote anything? What about the words you talked about in the very next sentence. Where those words I hollered at you over the Internet or wrote in a post? Wow you usually don't make it so easy to prove your lies.
---Rocky on 10/27/11


God sent the greatest prophet of all...His Son. Why would He need to send another?

It is easy to spot a false apostle or prophet if you have studied the words of Jesus. Does the prophet add to the words of Jesus or does he/she take away or change the message God gave His Son to bring to the world?
---barb on 10/27/11


I want everyone to read how I did not write what you said, you lied. -Rocky 10/27/2011

I did not say that you wrote anything. I said that you equated the importance of your word with God's. I did not say you actually wrote that your word was as important as God's. So now you lie for accusing me of such. You and I both know that there is both a direct and an indirect way of saying something. You have often called people liars and distortionists for calling you on things you have said indirectly, or things that you actually did say, but with slightly differnt words. Like when you said that the Bible and the Word of God are not the same, but called me a liar for saying you do not believe the Bible is the Word of God.
---Jed on 10/27/11




--Jed on 10/27/11
I never equated the importance of my word to God's like you wrote. -Rocky on 10/26/11
The post is there for everyone to see.

Yes, I already wrote that. I want everyone to read how I did not write what you said,you lied. You could have just quoted more of my post.
Rocky on 10/26:
And anyone reading my earlier post can see that I never equated the importance of my word to God's like you wrote.
I am still waiting for your response to the many questions I asked you, especially why you said you would respond to no more of my posts but obviously never stopped.
---Rocky on 10/27/11


I never equated the importance of my word to God's like you wrote. -Rocky on 10/26/11

The post is there for everyone to see.
---Jed on 10/27/11


Real mature Rocky, making up bogus attacks. Also trying to equate the importance of your word to God's Word.
--Jed 10/26/11
Such GAUL, and two more lies. I did not make a bogus attack, on my post I listed the location of three posts where you did put words in my mouth so anyone can check. I presented evidence and all you do is lie again.
And anyone reading my earlier post can see that I never equated the importance of my word to God's like you wrote. Unbelievable. The lies, distortions, and bogus personal attacks continue, just as I said before. Such unchristian behavior.
---Rocky on 10/26/11


The last thing I would want to do is put words in God's mouth that he did not say
Jed 10/25/11
That surprises me since you have no problem putting words in my mouth and acting like I said them. -Rocky on 10/26/11

Real mature Rocky, making up bogus attacks. Also trying to equate the importance of your word to God's Word. Very Christian of you. You are the one who lies about your own statements.
---Jed on 10/26/11


--christan 10/23/11 (3/ 3)
For you to say John's warning was only pertaining to Revelation and not the whole Holy Bible is again mind-boggling.
--Rocky 10/23/11
Why? I made a clear logical argument that there's no reason to assume it applied to the whole Bible which didn't exist when Revelations was written. You offer no refutation or evidence, to the contrary, you just belittle with no support.
To the above I add that Biblical scholars agree other books were probably written after Revelations, that it was not always the last book in the Bible as it evolved, and that which books were included evolved for several hundred years. Since you haven't answered, I ask again, why is it so mind-boggling?
---Rocky on 10/26/11




The last thing I would want to do is put words in God's mouth that he did not say
Jed 10/25/11
That surprises me since you have no problem putting words in my mouth and acting like I said them. You did it repeatedly, such as on 10/21, 10/23, and again on 10/24 just on the Government Controlling Churches thread.
---Rocky on 10/26/11


Jed, You said,
"francis, I hear you. Some think a prophet has to be perfect all the time or he is not a true prophet, but then they would not be a prophet,"

The fact is that when a prophet speaks for God he has to be perfect all the time he speaks for God. He does not have to be perfect when he speaks for himself.
Nathen was speaking for himself. Until God told him to speak to David and tell him what God wanted him to do.
---Mark_V. on 10/26/11


Trav, very true. I also don't know if this is actually blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. But I can definately see where some would reason that, since it is actually bearing false witness about the Holy Spirit. I don't know. I'm not going to say it is or it isn't. But I do believe people that do this are skating on very thin ice. Whenever I think God may have told me to do something I tell people something like "I feel God wanted me to do this" not "God told me", and even then I am careful about even doing that. The last thing I would want to do is put word's in God's mouth that he did not say.
---Jed on 10/25/11


//People really need to think twice before they say God told them something if he did not.

And people need to recognize that what some think is God speaking to them may be the result of a medical condition.

For instance, olde Ellen White had a head injury that probably enabled her to have visions. As she was among that religious revival movement in the early 1800, there is a more plausible explanation for her visions.
---lee1538 on 10/25/11


francis, I don't believe you got what Jed said correctly and what Craig was trying to say. Jed is not agreeing with you. ---Mark_V. on 10/24/11

You have a comprehension problem
i asked a question, He gave the corerect answer

Take the time to read my post again, then read Jeds post
---Francis on 10/25/11


People really need to think twice before they say God told them something if he did not.
Many consider this to be blasphemy of the Holy Spirit.
---Jed on 10/24/11

You got that right. I think some just get emotionally overcome. Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit? Don't know....but, it sure didn't go well for the prophets who prophesied their own prophecy's in the OT.
---Trav on 10/25/11


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Nathan ws dead wrong, God did not want David to build a house.
Does that mean nathan was not a true prophet?
---Francis on 10/24/11

Seems like Nathan was 1/2 right. GOD was with David.

Nathan didn't say GOD told him this. Nathan was guilty of men's logic by appearances.

David,a man after GOD's own heart....but, he didn't have GOD's heart.
There was no peace until Solomon. This peace, actually after he fulfilled Davids death bed decree's.
1 Kings 5
2 And Solomon sent to Hiram, saying,

3 Thou knowest how that David my father could not build an house unto the name of the LORD his God for the wars which were about him on every side, until the LORD put them under the soles of his feet.
---Trav on 10/24/11


francis, I hear you. Some think a prophet has to be perfect all the time or he is not a true prophet, but then they would not be a prophet, they would be Jesus, as he is the only man who was perfect. But if someone claims to have a word from the Lord and it is not, they are a false prophet and I would not believe any prophecy they bring. People really need to think twice before they say God told them something if he did not. Many consider this to be blasphemy of the Holy Spirit.
---Jed on 10/24/11


francis, I don't believe you got what Jed said correctly and what Craig was trying to say. Jed is not agreeing with you. Nathan was not prophecing to David when he told him to go do what he told him to do. But that doesn't make him a false prophet. And when prophets speak for God they say so. Thus saith the Lord. He was not speaking for God but was speaking from himself. He told him God was with him because God was always with David.
---Mark_V. on 10/24/11


---Jed on 10/24/11
I agree with everything you said concerning Nathan and other prophets
---francis on 10/24/11


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2 Samuel 7:3 And Nathan said to the king, Go, do all that [is] in thine heart, for the LORD [is] with thee.

Nathan ws dead wrong, God did not want David to build a house.
Does that mean nathan was not a true prophet?
---Francis on 10/24/11

When Nathan said this he was speaking on his own behalf, he never claimed it to be a prophecy or what God had said. Later that night God did give him a prophecy which Nathan then went back to David and corrected himself with what God had said. No one is right all the time, and we can't expect them to be. But when someone claims that the Lord has spoken to them and they report a prophecy wich proves to be false, they are not a true prophet.
---Jed on 10/24/11


Any prophet who gets one of their prophecies wrong, is NOT that of God.
---CraigA 10/24/11

2 Samuel 7:3 And Nathan said to the king, Go, do all that [is] in thine heart, for the LORD [is] with thee.

Nathan ws dead wrong, God did not want David to build a house.
Does that mean nathan was not a true prophet?
---Francis on 10/24/11


Any prophet who gets one of their prophecies wrong, is NOT that of God. That was established in the old testament.

These people are cursed for immitating a prophet of the Lord. Just as all the others before them.
---CraigA on 10/24/11


--Rob 10/23/11 (2/3)
Further many people consider themselves Christians without believing the Bible is inerrant. What is your right to define what a Christian is? Or what authority do you call on? Jesus never said these are three great commandments: to Love God, Love one another, and Believe in the inerrancy of the Bible.
I accept that you believe that, but for you to say someone is not a Christian because they dont believe it with you is STUPID and ARROGANT. By the way, how to you explain all of the books deleted from the Bible when Protestants re-translated the Bible? Was the old Bible wrong, the one used for about 1000 years?
(continued)
---Rocky on 10/23/11


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--christan 10/23/11 (3/ 3)
For you to say John's warning was only pertaining to Revelation and not the whole Holy Bible is again mind-boggling.
Why? I made a clear logical argument that there's no reason to assume it applied to the whole Bible which didn't exist when Revelations was written. You offer no refutation or evidence, to the contrary, you just belittle it again with no support. Obviously you have no refutation for the truth. Furthermore on the issue, scholars agree that Revelations was written earlier than some other NT books. You are saying the warning applied to books not even written yet. That makes no sense.
You repeatedly substitute distortion, name calling, and belittling for evidence and rational discussion.
---Rocky on 10/23/11


--christan 10/23/11 (1/3)
Using Ephesians 4:11,12 as proof that there are still more prophets after the Holy Bible is lame. First, the issue was "are there more prophets after Jesus" not after the Bible, you start right off trying to twist and distort.
Ephesians clearly states that He gave prophets:
"Eph 4:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man"
This is a direct statement there were prophets after Jesus. It's clear proof. You offer no evidence to the contrary, you just label it as "lame." Your saying my point is "lame" is baffling and obviously another false attack that reflects poorly on you.
(continued)
---Rocky on 10/23/11


Christan, EPHESIANS 4:11-12 and I CORINTHIANS 14 most certainly are proof that GOD has Prophets in the Church today. You know, some people who call themselves Christians absolutely amaze me. For, whenever I bring up a subject that seems controversial, those same Christians get on here and DEMAND that I show them where, the subject that I'm presenting, is mentioned "IN THE SCRIPTURES", as if to say that "If it's not in the Scriptures then it's not of GOD". Well, Here, I'm giving BLACK AND WHITE SCRIPTURE that plainly and emphatically states that Prophets are a part of the Church, and STILL you're not going to believe. Not even the Word of GOD. But, there are others who will believe and see the Truth. For THEM I continue.
---Gordon on 10/23/11


--christan 10/23/11 (2/ 3)
This is not even a prophesy!
That is also totally irrelevant and intended to deceive. So what if it is not a prophesy? It clearly states he gave prophets.
you're trying to convince us that there are still prophets popping out after Jesus Christ. Goodness gracious.
Ephesians clearly states there were. And your resorting to terms like "popping out" and "Goodness gracious" only prove that you are trying belittle with sophistry rather than search for truth. Belittling that way reflects poorly on you, all the worse since you are clearly wrong from the start.
(continued)
---Rocky on 10/23/11


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To prove that any of there are prophets, we would have to find examine their life and teaching:
Isaiah 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.
Revelation 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

If they do not teach the law and testimony, nor keep the commandments of God and have faith of Jesus, then I would dismiss them immediately as a prophet of God because they have failed the first test.

If they pass the first test, then examine their prophecies see if ANY of them have come true

Otherwise this entire blog is a waste of time, just a reason to Gossip and bash.
---Francis on 10/23/11


Rocky, isn't the Holy Bible from Genesis to Revelation? Or is it only Revelation or Ephesians? Using Ephesians 4:11,12 as proof that there are still more prophets after the Holy Bible is lame. This is not even a prophesy!

Can't even discern the difference between what is and what's not a prophesy, and you're trying to convince us that there are still prophets popping out after Jesus Christ. Goodness gracious.

For you to say John's warning was only pertaining to Revelation and not the whole Holy Bible is again mind-boggling. However, I understand you have to say that to justify your "new prophets". If that's your conviction, "God's will be done in earth, as it is in heaven."
---christan on 10/23/11


That seeing they may see, and not perceive, and hearing they may hear, and not understand, lest at any time they should be converted, and their sins should be forgiven them.
And he said unto them, Know ye not this parable? and how then will ye know all parables?


But last of all he sent unto them his son, saying, They will reverence my son!
But when the husbandmen saw the son, they said among themselves, This is the heir, come, let us kill him, and let us seize on his inheritance.
And they caught him, and cast him out of the vineyard, and slew him.
When the lord therefore of the vineyard cometh, what will he do unto those husbandmen?

Mat 21:42
It is!
---TheSeg on 10/23/11


"For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book." Revelation 22:18
---Christen 10/22/11
At most that applies to the Book of Revelation since the independent manuscripts were never combined into the Bible until hundreds of years after Revelations was written. You still have provided no evidence to support your claim that Jesus was the last prophet and there neither have been nor would be any since Him. Where is your support for that claim?
---Rocky on 10/22/11


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Jesus Christ is the last prophet sent by God to speak to man after which those whose call themselves prophets of God are false prophets. Christ warns us,
--christan 10/20/11
Eph 4:11 And he gave some, apostles, and some, prophets, and some, evangelists, and some, pastors and teachers,
Eph 4:12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ
---Rocky on 10/22/11


No these are not true prophets. God's true prophets
never missed a prophecy, and never disagreed. These "so called prophets" could barely agree on anything.
---michael_e on 10/22/11


"I AM is what is translated here [Jn 8:58] as 'Jehovah'" Marc

Really? Exactly what translation is Marc using?

The divine name does not appear at Jn 8:58.

Additionally it is trinitarian special pleading to connect Jn 8:58 with Ex 3:14.

The JPS Tanakh, Jewish Study Bible, Oxford Edition says:

"God's proper name, disclosed in the next verse [15], is YHVH...

...here [vs 14] God first tells Moses its meaning, ehyeh-asher-ehyeh, probably best translated as "I will be what I will be" meaning: "My nature will become evident from my actions." JPS Tanakh, Jewish Study Bible, Oxford Edition.

NOT "I am".
---scott on 10/22/11


Gordon, you quote John 21:25, was that a prophesy that God was implying He was going to send prophets to fulfill that verse? This is a prophesy:

"The LORD thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me, unto him ye shall hearken." Deuteronomy 18:15 - and this prophesy came to pass when Jesus came.

Find me a prophesy that's similar in the NT. If there are indeed "new prophets" to come, the very same apostle John wouldn't have admonish us, "For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book." Revelation 22:18
---christan on 10/22/11


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Rocky, you ask What's your source?
--christan 10/21/11
Yes, what is your source? The question was what showed that Jesus was the last prophet and that there would or have been none since. Nothing you wrote showed that. You know it by faith? Faith in what? Where is it written? If we dont have the same spirit, you wrote, then you have a false one.
---Rocky on 10/22/11


--JIM 10/21/11 (Part 2 of 2)
Rocky...do you to believe the bible to be the authoritative word of God?
As I have oft stated, I believe the Bible to be the Word of God as far as it is translated correctly, and for the most part it is. But Jesus said he would leave the Holy Ghost to us for guidance. In contrast, He never said a single word about leaving a book of His teachings behind.
---Rocky on 10/22/11


Rocky, since you don't believe in the Bible, why do you call yourself a christian?
Jim (yes lower case Jim this time) 10/21/11
But I do believe the Bible. Like many other Christians, I just don't believe that it is inerrant.
But you seem to imply that believing the Bible is the primary requirement for being a Christian, It is not. The Devil not only believes, but knows the Bible is true (where it is not inerrant), probably better than any person. But last time I checked he was not a Christian.
---Rocky on 10/22/11


Rocky, You seem to understand well that although GOD has Prophets today, it does not mean that the Holy Scriptures are somehow "incomplete" or "imperfect". Rather, it means that GOD is in control of WHAT is revealed, and WHEN. In the generations that followed the completion of the Canonical Scriptures, GOD has raised up Prophets in HIS Church to prophecy about certain things, and certain SPECIFICS, which He saw fit NOT to have recorded in the Canonical Scriptures beforehand. For whatever reason HE saw fit! Therefore, who we to question what GOD can and cannot record in HIS Holy Written Word? And, who are we to question what HE can and cannot prophecy about today or WHENEVER? So, Blessings to you!
---Gordon on 10/22/11


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Christan, The Holy Bible is complete in and of itself as GOD saw fit to have it written. But, GOD can have more things to say today. About specific events and specific people of today. Everything there is to know is not in the Holy Scriptures. It is just like what the Apostle John stated in JOHN 21:25 (Please read it!). Was there ANYTHING that YAHUSHUA said or did that was not important? But, yet not all that He said and did was recorded in Scripture. There are important things to be revealed and stated today by GOD, through His Prophets, that He did not record in the Canonical Scriptures. You do not, then, believe the Scriptures as recorded in EPHESIANS 4:11-12?? Well, GOD's modern Prophets are warning America of her coming Judgment.
---Gordon on 10/21/11


Jed, well, that's the best answer I can come up with. Sorry. God bless. :)
---God.is.everywhere on 10/21/11


Come on Rocky. Where is your faith in God. Do you not think that He could Orchestrate the putting together of His Word.
JIM 10/21/11
Of course He could, but He never said He would or did. But what was said by Jesus was that He provided the Holy Spirit to guide us.
---Rocky on 10/21/11


Come on Rocky. Where is your faith in God. Do you not think that He could Orchestrate the putting together of His Word. That would be a cake walk compared to creating all that exist....Don,t you think.
---JIM on 10/21/11


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Witnesses and "prophecy"

Cluny is mistaken.

As the preface to every Watchtower magazine for the year 1972 says (including April 1, 1972...not March):

"No, 'The Watchtower' is no inspired prophet, but it follows and explains a Book of prophecy... - Which Book? The Sacred Bible of the Holy Scriptures, written by inspiration in the name of the creator of heaven and earth, the only living and true God."

Dr. Robert Young's highlights the only sense that Witnesses view themselves as "prophets".

"PROPHET - one who (professedly) announces the will or celebrates the works of God...it is applied to...preachers." Young's Analytical Concordance
---scott on 10/21/11


Speaking of false prophets, remember that after the non-rapture of 21 May this year, Harold Camping said the end of the world would come on 21 October--that is, today?

Now what?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/21/11


Rocky, you ask, "What is your source for that statement?", for the sake of your soul, the source is: "God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds." Hebrew 1:1,2

What's your source? You ask "How do we know that? The NT was put together over 200 years after Jesus death and men decided what books to put in and leave out."

What separates you and I believing the Word of God according to what's written is FAITH. Either your faith is true and mine false, make no mistake, we don't have the same Spirit.
---christan on 10/21/11


Jed, okay, I'll put it another way. Joseph Smith is actually a prophet according to Mormons. Muhammad is actually a prophet to Muslims. Most Christians would deny that either of those two were prophets. Christians would recognize the Old Testament prophets, and I don't know who else. :)
---God.is.everywhere on 10/21/11

Again, that is not the question that was asked. Being considered a prophet does not make you one.
---Jed on 10/21/11


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Candice, well spoken "Only God knows whom his true prohets are." But Iet's take this a step further according to the revealed Word of God. When one is born of the Holy Spirit, he's becomes a Christian through faith. Since the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are One, wouldn't the Spirit tell the Christian who's a false prophet?

From this we know, that OT prophets and saints were also born of the Holy Spirit and were also operating through faith. One can fool a man who does not have the Holy Spirit indwelling in him but he cannot fool the saint who has the Holy Spirit. And that is a solid promise from God.

"Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth..." John 16:13
---christan on 10/21/11


Rocky, since you don't believe in the Bible, why do you call yourself a christian?
---Jim on 10/21/11


For those of you who believe that prophets no longer are needed will be the ones who will exchange gifts with one another when the prophets mentioned in Revelation are dead in the streets because they did not conform to worldly denominational church doctrine.
---Steveng on 10/21/11


--JIM 10/21/11 (Part 1 of 2)
2 Tim. says that all scripture is God breathed. If you had faith you would believe that.
I do. I also know that when it was originally written there was no book called the NT or the Bible. Over 200 years later, many independent documents, some conflicting with one another, were collected and over another century they were compared by various people and finally select texts were consolidated into a book.
If someone else were to add a book to the Bible and call it scripture would it apply to that as well?
(continued)
---Rocky on 10/21/11


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1)There MUST be a biblcal standard to test whether or not someone is a true prophet.
2)Start with the most obvious: Do their prophecies come true.
---Cluny 10/21/11
1)There isnt a standard for testing alleged prophets coming after the Bible, if that is what you mean. But we were given the Holy Ghost for guidance.
2)That would be a minimum test but not a definitive one. Some non-prophets could make predictions and be right without being prophets. Further the test does not help with regard to prophecies that happen in a future that has not yet occurred.
---Rocky on 10/21/11


Rocky//---christan on 10/21/11
Everything God wants to tell us is already complete in His Bible given.
Rockys reply:How do we know that?

This goes to show Rocky that you are lacking Faith. 2 Tim. says that all scripture is God breathed. If you had faith you would believe that.
Rocky...do you to believe the bible to be the authoritative word of God?
---JIM on 10/21/11


Only God knows whom his true prohets are.Even the prophets in the bible, and torah got laughed at. I believe 2 of the 4 was used as Gods vessels, this being a personal experiance, but they didn't claim to be prophets(joseph smtih and charles russell) Society said they were prophets,and people whom appointed them.
---candice on 10/21/11


\\There MUST be a biblcal standard to test whether or not someone is a true prophet.
Start with the most obvious: Do their prophecies come true.\\

Ellen G. White's prophecies did not.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/21/11


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Cluny, I have been in the Jw's for off/on 4yrs. Charles Russell would never approve of what they do. They're actually founded by Rutherford. I have all the original writings of C.T.Russell and he never said he was a prophet. He was a teacher,and people apponited him as a pastor as well.After reading his orignal writings God did use him,and today setting aside Jw's his writings are still benifiting many people and they are baptized unto Christ.
---Candice on 10/21/11


---christan on 10/21/11
Everything God wants to tell us is already complete in His Bible given.
How do we know that? The NT was put together over 200 years after Jesus death and men decided what books to put in and leave out. But beyond that there may be other things God wanted to tell us later. Also which Bible do you mean?
If there are still prophets then the Bible is not complete, right?
Only if some rule says the Bible SHOULD have all the words of his prophets. Do you know of any such rule? The Bible has what a group of men decided it would have.
---Rocky on 10/21/11


Instead of trying to judge if those people are true Prophets look at their doctrine and see if they line up with the Bible completely and are they even Christians in the true sense of the word? Gods Prophets walk in Gods will and according to his Word and it isn't hard to look at people and see if they line up with that. False doctrine is like bad fruit,it stinks,true doctrine has the sweet smell of God's love with all the good fruits of that love.
---Darlene_1 on 10/21/11


There MUST be a biblcal standard to test whether or not someone is a true prophet.
Start with the most obvious: Do their prophecies come true.
Many people have prophecied that Jesus will come again, Thus far he has not, does that make them false prophects? No. Some prophecies are in the distant future

Number 2 test:
Isaiah 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.
---Francis on 10/21/11


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christan 10/20/11
Jesus Christ is the last prophet sent by God to speak to man
What is your source for that statement? I believe that after Jesus left us with the Gospel and the Holy Ghost we had less need for prophets than times of old. But I have read no scripture saying that Jesus was the last. And you quoted none.
For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets Matthew 24:24
Just because we were warned of false prophets does not mean there would be no true prophets. That is very faulty logic.
---Rocky on 10/21/11


Gordon, using 1 Corinthians 14 to tell me that there a still prophets after Jesus Christ is not what Paul was teaching. Paul was rebuking the Corinthians for their unruly behavior whenever they came together. Which in today's context is till happening but even worse than in Paul's time with the Corinthians.

Tell me, outside of prophesying all the words in the Holy Scripture that's given by God through Jesus Christ, what more is there for God to bring forth more prophets? After all they never believed in His prophets before and even worse, they crucified His Son.

Everything God wants to tell us is already complete in His Bible given. If there are still prophets then the Bible is not complete, right?
---christan on 10/21/11


\\The only references to Witnesses and 'prophecy' would be (as the word prophet can imply) in reference to their evangelizing efforts.\\

In March 1972, the lead article in WATCHTOWER, "They shall know that a prophet was among them," the JFWs claimed to be prophets, just as Jeremiah and Ezekiel were.

In 1986, in their book REASONING TOGETHER FROM THE SCRIPTURES, the JFWs said they were NOT prophets.

Question: when did the organization lie?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/21/11


Jed, okay, I'll put it another way. Joseph Smith is actually a prophet according to Mormons. Muhammad is actually a prophet to Muslims. Most Christians would deny that either of those two were prophets. Christians would recognize the Old Testament prophets, and I don't know who else. :)
---God.is.everywhere on 10/21/11


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Christan, Read I CORINTHIANS 14. The whole Chapter. It expounds abit on EPHESIANS 4:11-12. There are modern Prophets in the Church today. Of course, Satan has many false prophets that he has planted, that appear to be christian prophets, but, are really not. He planted those phony prophets in the Church to discourage people from believing the Words GOD has from HIS true Prophets. So, GOD does have HIS own true holy Prophets today. Read the Scriptural reference I gave at the top, here. It's all in HIS Written Word regarding HIS Prophets of today in HIS true Church.
---Gordon on 10/21/11


Jehovah's Witnesses (including C. Russell) never claimed to be prophets.

"We have not the gift of prophecy." WT January 1883, page 425

Nor to be infallible:

"Nor would we have our writings reverenced or regarded as infallible." WT, December 15, 1896, page 306

The only references to Witnesses and 'prophecy' would be (as the word prophet can imply) in reference to their evangelizing efforts.
---scott on 10/21/11


1Jo 4:1 Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world.
---lee1538 on 10/20/11

There it is. These falsie's have caused a lot misery. With their lies. Not a new thing. Avoid em, shine a light on em. Blood suckers can't take light.
Jeremiah 5:31
The prophets prophesy falsely, and the priests bear rule by their means, and my people love to have it so: and what will ye do in the end thereof?
Jeremiah 23:21
I have not sent these prophets, yet they ran: I have not spoken to them, yet they prophesied.
Jeremiah 23:31
Behold, I am against the prophets, saith the LORD, that use their tongues, and say, He saith.
---Trav on 10/21/11


No, they are not true prophets. Christan is right, Jesus Christ was the last prophet. All others are fake, self-proclaim, or given the title by churches. Not by the will of God. They might been made prophets by their denomination in the name of Christ, but that does not make them true prophets ordained by God Himself. There would be no way of them proving that they were ordained by God, only their own word.
---Mark_V. on 10/21/11


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I don't think the question is whether these men are CONSIDERED prophets. I think the poster is asking were they actually prophets. Big difference. I think we all know they are considered prophets by some.
---Jed on 10/20/11


Jed, it means that Mormons consider Joseph Smith a true prophet, and Adventists consider Ellen G. White a true prophet. And that's okay by me. Each religion has its own prophets. That's how it works. :)
---God.is.everywhere on 10/20/11


they were all true prophets within their own faith traditions.
---God.is.everywhere on 10/20/11

What does that even mean?
---Jed on 10/20/11


No, I believe that all those mentioned are really founders of a different gospel and have taught another Jesus than what we find in the Bible.

We are warned to be careful whose teachings we would receive.

1Jo 4:1 Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world.
---lee1538 on 10/20/11


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The last prophet taught in the Holy Scripture is Jesus Christ as declared,

"God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds" Hebrews 1:1,2

Jesus Christ is the last prophet sent by God to speak to man after which those whose call themselves prophets of God are false prophets. Christ warns us,

"For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders, insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect." Matthew 24:24
---christan on 10/20/11


They are all truly false prophets, showing a greater or lesser degree of prelest.

Some of them, like EGW, weren't even honest.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/20/11


I don't know who E.W.Kenyon was, but as for the others, yes, they were all true prophets within their own faith traditions.
---God.is.everywhere on 10/20/11


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