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Is sin simply a violation of law or is sin much more than that?

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Is sin simply a violation of law or is sin much more than that?

Our so-called Sabbath keepers really do NOT keep the Sabbath but only what they have made of it, namely a day of worship and necessary work.

It is very clear that if you wish to keep the Jewish Sabbath, then you MAY NOT light a fire in your house to cook your food or to heat your house on the Sabbath.

Ex 35:3 Ye shall kindle no fire throughout your habitations upon the sabbath day.

And I think there was a travel restriction as well.
---lee1538 on 10/28/11


Exactly Christan, in Romans 9 they were the not just gentile egyptians and not just Israel.

Romans 9:18-21 So then he has mercy on whomever he wills, and he hardens whomever he wills. You will say to me then, 'Why does he still find fault? For who can resist his will?' But who are you, O man, to answer back to God? Will what is molded say to its molder, Why have you made me like this?Has the potter no right over the clay, to make out of the same lump one vessel for honored use and another for dishonorable use?

It is the view of the sovereignity of God that prevents many from submitting to the Lordship of Christ as they believe God has no rights over His creation.
---lee1538 on 10/28/11


Circumcision is Abrahamic covenant, not Mosaic covenant.
Yet, even circumcision was commanded for a select group of people.
Same God, different commands under different covenants.
---micha9344 on 10/28/11


Romans 9 speaks about God's sovereignty in His blessed election to salvation.

Granted that all Israel came out of Egypt but did all Israel saw the promise land? Let alone, do you really think that all born of the line of Israel are now in heaven? That only the Jews saw salvation? That only the Jews loved God? That their love for God was manifested in condemning His Son at Calvary?

Your understanding of Romans 9 is really bizarre because Paul did say, "Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel. That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed."
---christan on 10/28/11


Sin in contrast to what you believe is far more than violating the law or the 10 commandments.
---lee1538 on 10/28/11

Can we at least agree that violating the ten commandments i sin?
---Francis on 10/28/11




Jerry //Can you show me the scripture that supports your belief that MY Christ is wrong?
---
Easily !

Galatians 4:24-25 Now this may be interpreted allegorically: these women are two covenants. One is from Mount Sinai, bearing children for slavery, she is Hagar.
Now Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia, she corresponds to the present Jerusalem, for she is in slavery with her children.
---lee1538 on 10/28/11


Francis - James 2,10 10 For whoever keeps the whole law but fails in one point has become accountable for all of it.

I do not think you are correct in believing that James 2:10 refers to only the 10 commandments but to ALL the law including the Decalogue.

In the previous verses, James is admonishing those who make distinction between poor and rich.

2:9 But if you show partiality, you are committing sin and are convicted by the law as transgressors.

Sin in contrast to what you believe is far more than violating the law or the 10 commandments.

I believe that since God is love, what He has written on our hearts is love of others as that fulfills the law does it not? Romans 13:10
---lee1538 on 10/28/11


Let me put it bluntly to you, go study Romans 9 and those whom God created as vessels of dishonor is because He hated them from eternity, and these are also known as dogs and swines, and better still goats. And this included a multitude of Jews in the mix.
---christan on 10/27/11


Exactly Christan, in Romans 9 they were the gentile egyptians and not Israel.

Where on earth do you come up with..."there were a multitude of Jews in the MIX."

ALL Israel came out.

Talk about really twisting scripture.



---kathr4453 on 10/28/11


---lee1538 on 10/27/11

James here is talking ONLY about the law of God. James 2:11 For HE THAT SAID, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill.

Going back to the blog of LAW OF GOD and LAW OF MOSES we see that God ONLY spoke the TEN COMMANEMENTS:

Deuteronomy 5:22 These words the LORD spake unto all your assembly in the mount out of the midst of the fire, of the cloud, and of the thick darkness, with a great voice: AND HE ADDED NO MORE. And he wrote them in two tables of stone, and delivered them unto me.

So God only SAID/ SPOKE the ten commandments he DID NOT ADD CIRCUMCISION, thus james 2 is ONLY about ten commandments not Moses Law
---Francis on 10/27/11


Lee: "The real difference between what we believe and what you beleive is simply that you hold the position the Christian must observe laws that are not applicable to the Christian walk."

I guess that we must be following two different Christs. MY Christ said:

Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Can you show me the scripture that supports your belief that MY Christ is wrong?
---jerry6593 on 10/28/11




Trav, ...When Christ was on earth, 99% of His time was spent rebuking the children of Israel - who by the way never believed Him - except a remnant.
---christan on 10/27/11

As a doubting Thomas...i need proof. Hist witnesses are there for Canaanites.
Perhaps99% of Judah/Judeans/jews never believed Christ.
Lost Sheep believed him or you would be saying Christ failed. Scriptures you hold were made available by them and their heart. But you can't find them,neither care or know nothing of them? Largest House of Israel was not nor ever will be Judean/jews.

Matt 10:6
But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Matt 15:24
...said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
---Trav on 10/28/11


Francis //The problem is YOU, think only 9/10 commandments apply to christians, while the BIBLE speaks about THE WHOLE LAW (james 2:10) applying to christians.

While James states we disobey any law, we are guilty of all the law.

However, is not physical circumcision a law? If so then should we not go down to the rabbi and get all of our male children circumcised?

Your problem is you attempt to impose laws onto the church that are not applicable to the Christian thinking the New Covenant is nothing more than an extension of the Old Covenant.

Suggest you go to the forum topic on what was required of Gentile converts and make your assertion there that that laws that are strictly Jewish were imposed on the church.
---lee1538 on 10/27/11


Trav, you want to believe that the dogs and swines refers to a particular race in mankind. If that's your understanding, you are no better than a racist. When Christ was on earth, 99% of His time was spent rebuking the children of Israel - who by the way never believed Him - except a remnant. So, how do you even justify that the Jews themselves were not the dogs and swines that Christ was referring to?

Let me put it bluntly to you, go study Romans 9 and those whom God created as vessels of dishonor is because He hated them from eternity, and these are also known as dogs and swines, and better still goats. And this included a multitude of Jews in the mix.
---christan on 10/27/11


Using Matthew 7:8, "Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine,....

The dogs and swines here refers to the unbelievers and who was Christ rebuking at this point of the Gospel?

Dogs and swines here does not refer to a particular human race but unbelievers.
---christan on 10/26/11

Swine are those that wallow in the filth of the world, and will eat anything thrown too them.
Dogs, can mean male/female prostitutes,Sodomites. (Kelebs)in Hebrew. Canaanites, known for this may be why he called her that.
We don't see him calling others dogs.
He does use animal terms though for people: goats, Foxes,serpents,Vipers,Wolves,Sheep and Doves.
---Trav on 10/27/11


Stop arguing people. Law stands, God's Law of righteousness stands before and during and after Christ. And according to this Law- "Be Good and be holy" determines whether a person is in right or righteousness, or whether a person is in sin or sinuousness. The Spirit does not excuse nor give license to sin, instead the Law of the Spirit Commands all to follow the Law of Righteousness, else be condemned. No Holy Spirit says, Disobey the Law, nor does the Holy Spirit say disregard the Law, instead the Holy Spirit from Christ Commands all to obey the New Covenant or New Testmanet Law from Christ, the Almighty.
---Eloy on 10/27/11


Stop arguing people. Law stands, God's Law of righteousness stands before and during and after Christ. And according to this Law- "Be good and be holy" determines whether a person is in right or righteousness, or whether a person is in sin or sinuousness. The Spirit does not excuse nor give license to sin, instead the Law of the Spirit Commands all to follow the Law of Righteousness, else be condemned. No Holy Spirit says, Disobey the Law, nor does the Holy Spirit say disregard the Law, instead the Holy Spirit from Christ Commands all to obey the New Covenant or New Testament Law from Christ, the Almighty.
---Eloy on 10/27/11


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lee1538
The problem here is that YOU, seem to think that only 9/10 commandments apply to christians, while the BIBLE speaks about THE WHOLE LAW ( james 2:10) applying to christians.
In James 2 the examples given are murder and adultery, and then James says if we offend in one point we trangress the WHOLE LAW for HE WHO SAID do not murder also said do not commit adultery. I gaurantee that he who siad do not kill and commit adultery IN THE SAME BREATH said keep the sabbath day, He who WROTE do not kill and do not commit adultery WITH THE SAME FINGER ON THE SANE TABLET wrote keep the sabbath day.

Do you know what the symbolism and expression " WRITTEN IN STONE" means?
---francis on 10/27/11


Jerry, I don't tell you how to live your life, or what you should do with it. You are responsible for your own decisions. I'm responsible for mine. As I say again as before, you want to leave your life to the letter of the law, go for it. I do not. I want to live my life to the Spirit of the Law. I'm not a legalist, but a believer in Christ. I believe the Spirit guides us to all Truth. We are not along anymore as we were when we were under the law. You want to be along, that is ok by me. I have submitted my life to Christ and He controls it for He bought it with His blood. For greater is He that is in me that he who is in the world.
---Mark_V. on 10/27/11


Jerry //to defend obedience to God's handwritten law, rather than reasons why you are justified in breaking it..

The real difference between what we believe and what you beleive is simply that you hold the position the Christian must observe laws that are not applicable to the Christian walk.

Acts 15 did not mandate any laws that are strictly Jewish in nature to Christians, the sabbath being a law given ONLY to the Jewish nation. We are free to observe any day and eat any type of food we desire. Romans 14 is very clear on these points.

All of us promote moral law, that we should do all we can in our walk pleasing to God but that essentially means we are to walk in His Spirit not in the law.
---lee1538 on 10/27/11


MarkV and Lee: When I see on this site that you guys have begun to defend obedience to God's handwritten law, rather than reasons why you are justified in breaking it, then I will admit that I was wrong about you. But, I expect to see that right after I see a herd of pigs fly overhead.
---jerry6593 on 10/27/11


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lee, Righteousness means "full of right". It is the opposite of sinuousness, which means, full of sin. "Sinuous" (from Fr: "sinueux", a bend, crooked)- not straightforward, devious, crooked, morally crooked, deviating from right.
---Eloy on 10/26/11


"To one that knows to do good and does not, to that one it is sin. Wisdom better than weapons of war, but one sinner destroys much good. Evil pursues sinners, but to the righteous good will be repaid. And together will be the destruction of the transgressors and of the sinners, and consumed they that forsake Yhwh. Note, the day of Yhwh comes, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he will destroy the sinners thereof out of it. Now we know that God hears not sinners, but if any person be a worshipper of God, and does his will, that person he hears. Let every one that names the name of Christ depart from sin." Jms.4:17+ Ecc.9:18+ Pv.13:21+ Is.1:28+ 13:9+ Jn.9:31+ II Tm.2:19.
---Eloy on 10/26/11


Francis //Francis - what does Adventism teach about the ultimate destiny of those who do not observe the Jewish Sabbath?
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WE TEACH THE SAME AS THE BIBLE

1 John 3:4 sin is the transgression of the law.
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Thank you. So what you are really saying is that it is a sin for the Christian to disobey any of God's law even if they are not applicable to the Christian walk.

Should we go and get ourselves circumcised? After all the law tells us to. And if the law does not command us to observe the jewish Sabbath, need we to observe it?

Perhaps we should cut out Acts 15, and Romans 14 as neither chapter supports your viewpoint.
---lee1538 on 10/26/11


Nana, you continue to argue against Christ's teachings when He declared that salvation is impossible for man, but for you who treasure the "free-will", you say it is possible. Such contradiction reminds me of a passage between Christ and the Pharisees.

"And some of the Pharisees which were with him heard these words, and said unto him, Are we blind also? Jesus said unto them, If ye were blind, ye should have no sin: but now ye say, We see, therefore your sin remaineth." John 9:40,41

The only truth you said is Scripture does not contradict Scripture. However, Scripture contradicts your understanding.
---christan on 10/26/11


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Warwick //You need to note she was not saying Sabbath observance was a prerequisite to be saved.

While they say you are not saved by observing the Sabbath, out of the other corner of their mouths they tell you must observe the law in order to be saved.

You really need read about what Ellen wrote about the theory of Investigative Judgment (The Great Controversy, chapter 28). It is totally a works alone soteriology.

There is no way one can conclude she did NOT believe you must observe the Sabbath in order to be saved eternally.

All too often you try to defend someone elses position without any study of your own, probably because you like Adventists and most are good people much like our Mormon friends.
---lee1538 on 10/26/11


Francis - what does Adventism teach about the ultimate destiny of those who do not observe the Jewish Sabbath?
---lee1538 on 10/26/11

WE TEACH THE SAME AS THE BIBLE

1 John 3:4 sin is the transgression of the law.
James 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
Romans 6:23 the wages of sin is death

1 John 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us [our] sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
---Francis on 10/26/11


Lee as recorded in Matthew ch. 22 Jesus was asked which is the greatest commandment. He replied "Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind," Quoting from Deuteronomy 6:5. And also "Love your neighbour as yourself," quoting from Leviticus 19:18. He then said "All the law and prophets hang on these two commandments. An inspection of the 10 Commandments will show they all cover loving God, and loving your neighbour.

Therefore His reply did relate to the decalogue. This does not mean He was not referring to other commandments as well. However He was ratifying the relevance, for us, of the 10 Commandments.
---Warwick on 10/26/11


Lee, as you say Ellen White wrote "these are they who have once kept the Sabbath and have given it up."

You need to note she was not saying Sabbath observance was a prerequisite to be saved.

You say her statement means she believes "one has to observe selected OT law in order to merit eternal salvation." Unwaranted speculation. Do you imagine she would have believed differently about those Christians who gave on obeying the other Commandments? Would she not say the same of those who had given up obeying God's prohibition against lying, stealing, making idols, misusing the Lord's name etc?

Here I am not defending her so much as defending the truth of the matter. That which you are bending out of shape!
---Warwick on 10/26/11


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christan,
I called you not a hypocrite and only asked to accentuate, "Ye fools, did not he that made that which is without make that which is within also?
But rather give alms of such things as ye have, and, behold, all things are clean unto you."

"You offer me no answers and you call me a hypocrite."
No, you said,
"Your quarrel is with the teachings of Paul. Scriptures do not contradict Scriptures."


2 Corinthians 7:1, 2Cor.6:17_18 and James 4:8 and Jesus, all agree. It is
you who question the Word of God and blame me!

Matthew 5:48 "Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect."
You have no argument, try again.
---Nana on 10/26/11


Francis - what does Adventism teach about the ultimate destiny of those who do not observe the Jewish Sabbath?

Ellen White had this vision "Then I was shown a company who were howling in agony. On their garments was written in large letters - thou art weighted in the balance, and found wanting. I asked who this company were. The angel said 'these are they who have once kept the Sabbath and have given it up' (Ellen White, Early Writings, p. 37)

In other words, she truly believed one has to observe selected OT law in order to merit eternal salvation.

While sin may be a violation of law, are we saved if we do not observe a law that is not applicable to us?
---lee1538 on 10/26/11


Nana, so now I'm a hypocrite for asking you how you can cleanse and make yourself Holy before a righteous God? You offer me no answers and you call me a hypocrite. I think you had better stand in front of your mirror and say that before yourself.

"When his disciples heard it, they were exceedingly amazed, saying, Who then can be saved? But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible, but with God all things are possible." Matthew 19:25,26

What Christ declares is impossible, you by your "free-will" says it's possible. I learned this from Christ, so guess who you are calling a hypocrite?
---christan on 10/26/11


While Jesus did not tell us to keep the 10 commandments, anyone with good sense would realize that there is a great practicality in observing moral law as expressed in the Decalogue.

What is the greatest of all the commandments, they asked Jesus. He did not reply with any of the Decalogue (Matthew 22)and that would mean they cannot be paramount. Thus there is a greater command than expressed in the Decalogue.
---lee1538 on 10/26/11


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Francis, it is you who is impossible. Why do you question my life? Why not look in the mirror concerning your own life and your own sin. How do you live life yourself, do you not sin. or you perfect and without sin? Who are you to look at someone elses life, when there is sin in yours? No one speaks for sin. You do. You accuse others of sinning. In your conscience to not do Saturday is sin. In my conscience it is not. To you it is sin, but not to me. Don't push your legalism on me, I don't want to sin and be like you. Be perfect and sinless, then you have a right to judge others. You go right ahead and live your life to the letter of the Law, I will live my life to the Spirit of the Law.
---Mark_V. on 10/26/11


Francis, my answer was that Jesus never told believers to keep the Ten Commandments.
---Mark_V. on 10/26/11

You are imposible
Look at what it mens NOT TO KEEP THE TEN COMMANDMENTS:
It means:
1. worshipping other gods.
2. worshipping idols.
3. misusing God's name.
4. Not keep the Sabbath holy.
5. dishonoring your father & mother.
6. murdering
7. committing adultery.
8. stealing.
9. lying.
10. covetting
Is this how you live your christian life?
---Francis on 10/26/11


Jerry//like others on this site are more interested in finding excuses for disobeying God than they are in pleasing Him by their obedience.
---
Adventists really have constructed a ethical system by which they can compare themselves to others and that by forcing onto the church laws not found within the New Covenant nor taught in the early church. = food laws, sabbath observance, beliefs not found in the Bible,etc. etc. etc.

Co 10:12 Not that we dare to classify or compare ourselves with some of those who are commending themselves. But when they measure themselves by one another and compare themselves with one another, they are without understanding.
---lee1538 on 10/26/11


Jerry, you are a good example as to why I answer Warwick the way I do. No one promotes sin. I have not seen anyone doing that. You promote legalism. And since you are a sinner yourself, you have no right to speak about the sin you think you see in others. When you become perfect then you can talk. Remove the plank from you eye before you try to judge others with your SDA believes.
---Mark_V. on 10/26/11


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Thanks, Francis. MarkV, like others on this site are more interested in finding excuses for disobeying God than they are in pleasing Him by their obedience.
---jerry6593 on 10/26/11


christan,
Do you know what a hypocrite is?

Jesus said:
Luke 11:39_41 "And the Lord said unto him, Now do ye Pharisees make clean the outside of the cup and the platter, but your inward part is full of ravening and wickedness.
Ye fools, did not he that made that which is without make that which is within also?
But rather give alms of such things as ye have, and, behold, all things are clean unto you."

Paul said:
2 Corinthians 7:1 "..., let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God."

Need more?
2Cor.6:17_18

James 4:8 "... Cleanse your hands, ye sinners, and purify your hearts, ye double minded."
---Nana on 10/26/11


Francis, my answer was that Jesus never told believers to keep the Ten Commandments. Jesus told the rich man who was not save that in order for him to have eternal life he was to keep the Ten Commandments and gave them to him. The rich man said he kept them all, not admitting his own sin. Jesus said in order for him to be perfect was to sell everything, and give to the poor. Jesus was exposing the young man's true heart. The rich man left, he could not do what he was told because of the love of money and possessions. He lacked faith in Christ. Because without Christ he could never keep himself perfect. Jesus didn't have to mention that to believers, only to love God and love neighbor. They are already justified.
---Mark_V. on 10/26/11


1: The New covenant ws made with Jews: Hebrews 8:8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the HOUSE OF ISRAEL and with the HOUSE OF JUDAH:

2: God has commanded that everyone has ONE LAW. Numbers 15:16 One law and one manner shall be for you, and for the stranger that sojourneth with you.

3: are these laws for jews only? Romans 13:9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet, and if [there be] any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
---francis on 10/26/11


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Nana, if you are right, kindly explain how:

1. can evil put away evil?
2. one who is under sin wash himself clean, making himself Holy before God?
3. an evil man make himself righteous before a Righteous God?

You have failed to realize and acknowledge that when God commands mankind to obey him, it is impossible to fulfill His commands. Adam failed with flying colors on ONE command, and we who are after Adam can do what our father couldn't?

God declared, "Be Holy for I am Holy", are you telling me, we who are dead in sins and trespasses can be Holy? If you seriously think that you are able to do all these, then I am sure Jesus Christ did not die for you - since you can achieve righteousness on your own.
---christan on 10/25/11


Francis //Matthew 19:17 And JESUS said unto him, if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. ...

Jesus was a Jew under the Old covenant Laws. He was circumcised, did the temple ordinances with His parents, and participants in all the national festivals.

But should we also put ourselves under the Jewish laws?

Galatians 4:4-5 But when the fullness of time had come, God sent forth his Son, born of woman, born under the law, to redeem those who were under the law, so that we might receive adoption as sons.

2Co 3:14 But their minds( also those of Adventists) were hardened. For to this day, when they read the old covenant, that same veil remains unlifted, because only through Christ is it taken away.
---lee1538 on 10/25/11


christan ,
Are you saying that to undestand the writings in Isaiah I need to find its context in Paul's writings?
I quoted the word of God as given though Isaiah and you find fault?
Even a 5 year old understands:

1. God was angry at their doings,
Isaiah 1:14 "Your new moons and your appointed feasts my soul hateth: they are a trouble unto me, I am weary to bear them."

2. God gives them a way out,
Isaiah 1:16_17 "Wash you, make you clean, put away the evil of your doings from before mine eyes, cease to do evil,
Learn to do well, seek judgment, relieve the oppressed, judge the fatherless, plead for the widow."

See your wrong? God spoke straight, no reviving, no giving of faith
---Nana on 10/25/11


Jerry, no where does Jesus say that you are to keep the Ten Commandments. ---Mark_V. on 10/25/11
Matthew 19:17 And JESUS said unto him, if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Matthew 4:10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.
Matthew 15:19 blasphemies ( using Gods name in vain)defile a man
Matthew 12:12 Wherefore it is lawful to do well on the sabbath days.

all are COMMANDED by Jesus,
---Francis on 10/25/11


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Jerry, no where does Jesus say that you are to keep the Ten Commandments. The Commandments He talked about where two. Love God, and love neighbor. Lee has answered you with love and so have I, yet you insist everyone else is a sinner but you. At least that is what you imply. Again, as I ask another, before you judge others take the plank out of your eye. Lee explained his conduct in life very well, but it was not good enough for you, you want him to live his life like you, going to church on Saturdays. As if you were without sin. As if going to Church on Saturdays cleans you from all your unrighteousness. So why don't you stop and behave like a Christian.
---Mark_V. on 10/25/11


Nana, your accusation that it's my own notion all man born after Adam are dead and incapable is wrong, "Wherefore, as by ONE MAN sin entered into the world, and DEATH by sin, and so DEATH PASSED UPON ALL men, for that ALL have sinned." Romans 5:12.

Paul then reminds the converted Christian of his state before the Holy Spirit regenerated him, "And you hath he quickened, who were DEAD in trespasses and sins." Ephesians 2:1 - if man were alive why would the Spirit need to quicken him?

As for Isaiah 1, if you read the epistles with care, you will understand the context of Isaiah's rebuke of Israel. Your quarrel is with the teachings of Paul. Scriptures do not contradict Scriptures.
---christan on 10/25/11


Lee: " I strive to do everything He would ask of me and then some."

ROFL! He asked you to do Ten simple things, and you refuse to do them because you are "free from the burden of HIS law".

Joh 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

1Jn 2:3,4 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
---jerry6593 on 10/25/11


Whoever doesn't believe all descendants of Adam are born spiritually dead is because there is no light in them like Nicodemus.
Jesus answered and said to Him, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God" And you like Nicodemus don't understand spiritual truth.
For,"That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Do not marvel that I said to you, you must be born again"
For, "The unspiritual man does not receive the gifts of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned" And here is where you find yourself.
---Mark_V. on 10/25/11


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christan,
Don't you go around saying that all men after Adam are born dead and incapable, without faith and basically withot sense or notion of justice or love?
What I am saying is what I always have said, that you generalize too much
when you want to impose your understanding on others.

But the fact is:
As stated in Isaiah 1 God described a former state of Israel AFTER ADAM!
He declared, "How is the faithful city become an harlot! it was full of judgment, righteousness lodged in it, but now murderers."
Against the 'dead' you preach, God declares that they were faithful, full of
judgement where righteousness dwelt.
---Nana on 10/24/11


Nana, as usual, you make no sense when you use Isaiah 1:21 to discuss what I've said or quoted in John 4:24. What I do know is Isaiah was persecuted when he rebuked and commanded Israel to repent of their ways, because God was angry with them.

Still, I have the faintest idea of what you are trying to imply when you quoted Isaiah 1:21. I never spoke anything about Isaiah 1:21 and yet you say, "But you say that they never were so."

I have given Scripture backings to support my belief and you take offense with them. Is it because you hate what I'm saying or what I belief in that you find it difficult to accept that you find joy in trying your best to prove my understanding wrong?
---christan on 10/24/11


//If you don't know what that means, then ask yourself this: Would you do it in front of Jesus? Would you smoke that funny stuff in front of Jesus and blow smoke in his face? Would you committ adultery in front of Jesus? Would you steal Jesus's shoes? Would you spit at someone in front of Jesus? Would you cuss in front of Jesus?

It is not bother me in the least bit if I were to offer Him a glass of the best wine I could buy as I understand that He really loved wine. And I would probably invite Him to my church which mets on Sundays.

However, I really would not feel too much of a need to change my behavior as I strive to do everything He would ask of me and then some.

I rarely drink as it impacts my meds.
---lee1538 on 10/24/11


"Nana, if there's anything "cuckoo", it's your sad doctrine that "dead" man is able to communicate with God. "God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth." John 4:24
christan 10/20/11

"Testifying and witnessing the Gospel will always come with persecution, especially when you speak the Truth."
christan on 10/24/11

You speak not the Truth for God said, Isaiah 1:21 "How is the faithful city become an harlot! it was full of judgment, righteousness lodged in it, but now murderers."

But you say that they never were so. Who is right? You or the written word of God?
---Nana on 10/24/11


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Sin is all unrighteousness.

If you don't know what that means, then ask yourself this: Would you do it in front of Jesus? Would you smoke that funny stuff in front of Jesus and blow smoke in his face? Would you committ adultery in front of Jesus? Would you steal Jesus's shoes? Would you spit at someone in front of Jesus? Would you cuss in front of Jesus?
Some think sin is just the big sins like murder, stealing, adultery, and lying. James said all sin is the same. If you lie, you're also a murderer. OH NO, really?
---anon on 10/24/11


Adam, the Lord always tells His people "Fear not and be of good courage". Testifying and witnessing the Gospel will always come with persecution, especially when you speak the Truth. Remember, they are not persecuting us but our Lord Jesus Christ. "If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you." John 15:18

We are merely the mouthpiece that God has chosen to bring forth His Word of Truth. And when His Word goes forth, He declares, "So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it." Isaiah 55:11
---christan on 10/24/11


Christan my response to the blog was right on, and the evidence is this guy or girl name Nana. he/she responded to Haz by calling him looney, he/she responded to you by calling you and idiot. this are the answers of those who would like to make you sin. the bible is far from their hearts. they are not sheep, but wolves. wolves don't hear the words of jesus. so they respond by attacking you, they are evil. be careful of wolves. they cater to works, and their intention is to eat you alive if they could.
---Adam on 10/24/11


Nana, amazing! You have proved me wrong. Dead people and walls do talk after all.
---christan on 10/23/11


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BIBLE says
1 John 3:4 sin is the transgression of the law.

Which law:
Romans 7:7 I had not known sin, but by THE LAW: for I had not known lust, except the THE LAW SAID, Thou shalt not covet.
James 2:11 he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.

THIS LAW
1. Do not worship other gods.
2. Do not worship idols.
3. Do not misuse God's name.
4. Keep the Sabbath holy.
5. Honor your father & mother.
6. DO NOT MURDER.
7. DO NOT COMMIT ADULTERY.
8. Do not steal.
9. Do not lie.
10. DO NOT COVET

LAW OF MOSES does not define sin, it tells How God deals with our sins to redeem us
---Francis on 10/23/11


"But many do not belief they have fallen along with Adam and are born into this world totally "dead in sin and trespasses". They deny the state they are in and still say they can please God on their own."
---christan on 10/23/11

And if they are as you say, why are you such an idiot to concern yourself with what they say?
After all, aren't you saying that they are dead, lost, in ignorance? Do you like to hear yourself
talk or talking to the wall or to the dead?
---Nana on 10/23/11


One of the professors in one of my religion courses defined sin as idolatry or disbelief.

While that is one definition, I beleive sin is anything that would displease God.
---lee1538 on 10/23/11


"Sin is all rebellion against God who is Holy." Adam

What an excellent and blessed answer! And this rebellion is unbelief in the Word of God. Adam did not belief God when He commanded him not to disobey Him, for there would be dire consequence in unbelief. This contributed to the fall of man and Paul declared,

"Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin, and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned."

But many do not belief they have fallen along with Adam and are born into this world totally "dead in sin and trespasses". They deny the state they are in and still say they can please God on their own.
---christan on 10/23/11


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1 John 3:4 sin is the transgression of the law

All forms of SIN is a violation of Gods law.

If I were to do something that showed lack of Faith in God it would be a violation of the first commandment where by I choose not to trust in GOD as my only God and make myself a God

Romans 14:22 Hast thou faith? have it to thyself before God. And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever is not of faith is sin.

Blashpemy is a sin, because it is a violation of the third commandment.

1 Timothy 6:1 that the name of God and his doctrine be not blasphemed.
---Francis on 10/23/11


Agree Darlene, good post.
---Chria9396 on 10/23/11


Jerry, I see no one answering your questions rewritting Scripture. In fact they interpret Scripture more correctly then you. Your problem is, that you look at someone else's sin greater then your own sin. So you judge others by your own sins. As if saying, "Look at you, you are a sinner but I keep the Saturday Sabbath" as if that releases you from all your sins. You are still a sinner but with much pride. Sin is also an action performed by people. You sin because you think you are holier then others that don't do Saturday Sabbath, but Sunday. Which is pride. All because you want others to do what you do. Go under the Law. But we have the Spirit of the Law with us.
---Mark_V. on 10/23/11


Whatsoever is not of faith is sin Romans 14:23--everything that does not come from faith is sin. This is speaking of food but is true for all areas of our lives. As Christians we are to walk by faith,praying about the things we do in our lives,making sure our lives line up with God's Word,the Bible. The closer we draw to God the farther we move away from sin. Prayer,praise,worship,Bible study and filling our minds with pure thoughts and fighting the good fight of faith,walking in God's love every day. We don't worry about breaking religious laws but about breaking God's heart and falling from his grace by not living by the Law of Love.
---Darlene_1 on 10/22/11


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Jerry //The Bible defines sin as the transgression of the LAW (1John 3:4).

Would you say only those laws applicable to the church? It is a sin in the OT not to be physically circumcised.

Mosaic laws?

Civil laws pertaining to Israel alone?

Ceremonial laws?

Laws governoring national festivals?

Did the saints at the Jerusalem council Acts 15 err when they did not mandate distinctive Jewish laws to Gentile believers?

Is breaking the OT sabbath laws a sin? Where in the New Covenant does it say breaking the Jewish Sabbath is sinful.

There is a listing of sins in the NT in Mt 7:21f, Romans 1:29f, Gal 5:19f, and 2 Tim 3:1f. Breaking the Jewish sabbath is not among them.
---lee1538 on 10/22/11


It should also be noted that the wages of sin is death.
But when we accept Christ we are cleansed of sin and righteous in him.
We're set free from sin John8:36, Rom 6:7
We're dead to sin Rom 6:11
Ceased from sin 1Pet 4:1
Cannot sin 1John3:6-9.

But to sin is to be without Christ.
To sin is being a servant of sin John 8:34
To sin is being under the law establishing your own righteousness Rom 10:3
To sin is being of the devil 1John3:8

For Christians we WERE servants of sin but NOW are servants of righteousness Rom 6:17,18
---Haz27 on 10/22/11


Ive only seen 2 definitions on scripture.

The transgression of the law.

Doing something you know in your heart is wrong.
---CraigA on 10/22/11


Sin is missing the mark of the "high calling of God in Christ Jesus," and so not share in the prize of that calling.
---Josef on 10/22/11


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The Bible defines sin as the transgression of the LAW (1John 3:4). But blasphemy (usurping the prerogatives of God) is also regarded as sin. Thus, anyone who deliberately tries to rewrite God's handwritten law to suit his own preferrences commits blasphemy, and is therefor doubly sinful. Such rewrites are common on this website.
---jerry6593 on 10/22/11


Sin is all rebellion against God who is holy. Sin can be recognized easy when someone here continues to argue even when you show the word of God, and makes up things in their own minds just to get you to sin just as they do.
---Adam on 10/22/11


God's definitions of sin are the only ones to use.

DEFINITION 1: Sin is transgression of the law 1John3:4 .
And what the law says it says to those under it Rom3:19
BUT we are SET FREE from the law Rom8:2,
Law is not made for righteous (Christians) but for...sinners.1Tim1:9
Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone that believeth Rom10:4
So where there is NO LAW there is NO TRANSGRESSION (sin) Rom 4:15.

DEFINITION 2: UNBELIEF in Jesus. John 16:9

To be under the law is unbelief as it is seeking to establish your own righteousness and not submitting to the righteousness of God Rom 10:3
---Haz27 on 10/22/11


Sin is much more than the violation of the ten commandments. Jesus, Himself made that very clear when He said that he who hates, has committed murder.

Moreover, Romans 14:23 says, ..."Whatsoever is not of faith is sin." That raises the standard for what is sin and it is written in the Bible.

That definition makes it clear that even those things professing christians call "good" may be sin as well the traditional ideas of sin.

This greater understanding of what is sin ought to humble all of those who claim righteousness by their own works.
---Allan on 10/22/11


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Sin is indeed violating GOD's Law of the Ten Commandments. But, really, Sin is any act of rebellion against GOD. It's any act that stems from a lack of Faith in GOD, and from a mistrust in HIM. It's any act of disobedience to HIM. For example, if GOD tells you to lend your leaf rake to your next door neighbour, and you don't do it, that is sin! It's really that simple.
---Gordon on 10/21/11


Sin means to "Miss the Mark" It's refers to an archer who shoots an arrow and misses the target. God has established a "mark" via the OT and humans were not able to "hit the mark", so He sent His Son who could "hit the mark". God has also established a "mark" for each Christian, and if you don't hit that "mark", it's sin.
---wivv on 10/21/11


Then said I, Lo, I come!
(in the volume of the book it is written of me,)
To do thy will, O God!

I can of mine own self do nothing:...
but the will of the Father which hath sent me.

For whosoever shall do the will of my Father...

Even so it is not the will of your Father which is in heaven, that one of these little ones should perish!
And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing,...

All things are delivered unto me of my Father:...

The only sin left is disbelief!
And you can't even commit this one!
Well, forgive me, but I just don't see how.
---TheSeg on 10/21/11


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