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What is meant by 'commandments of God' in Revelation 12:17, 14:12 and 1 John 2:3. Do these verses refer to the 10 commandments?

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Francis, I never said that Jesus Christ was a replacement of the Sabbath. What I said was, the Sabbath was POINTING TO JESUS CHRIST. There's a great difference between replacing and pointing.

Just like:
- the lamb without blemish that Abel and Israel sacrificed, the lamb was pointing to Christ
- the ark Noah build, it was pointing to the elect being in the Body of Christ.
---christan on 10/30/11


. Some SDA's don't push the law, but most do in order to get you to do Saturday Sabbath like they do. ---Mark_V. on 10/29/11

You need to STOP pretending that SDA are the ones who claim that the sabbath is the 7th day ( SATURDAY) Open your eyes, remove the blinders and READ THE WORD OF GOD FOR YOURSELF:
Genesis 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made, and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it:
Exodus 20:10 But the seventh day [is] the sabbath of the LORD thy God:

Has it not occured to that the reason why SDA keep SATURDAY is because SATURDAY is infact THE SEVENTH DAY.
---Francis on 10/29/11


"I do not observe any Jewish holiday or the Sabbath."
God instituted the Sabbath for his people, I am of the
people who were not His people. Grafted in. The Sabbath
is not mandated on me, Acts 15.

Romans 14:4 "Who art thou that judgest another man's servant?
to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up:
for God is able to make him stand."

Great of you to harp on one point, one sin while at the same time
call yourself sinless! To Christ and to God I am held accountable.
I need not make you understand, all I say is for the benefit of
the rest of the people that God willing it may help them.
Have you made your mind wheter you're Meixican or Australian?
---Nana on 10/29/11


Genesis 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made, and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

The verse merely states that God rested on the 7th day, there is nothing about a law being given to observe what was much later designated the Sabbath. The Sabbath was not even heard of prior to the time of Moses, nor was it observed.

Of course Sabbath means 'rest' and Hebrews 4 states that those who believe enter into that rest typified by God in the 7th day of creation.
---lee1538 on 10/29/11


StrongAxe, your analogy of yourself being "lord" over everything in your home and stove is not even close to the Sabbath and the Lord of the Sabbath. You make no sense with your stove analogy.

Back to the Sabbath and the Lord of the Sabbath (Jesus Christ). What's the similarity here? REST! Rest from what? Rest from works, which both you and Francis seem so bent on trying to fulfill for salvation.

If one has to work the works of law even after he is "saved by grace", Paul declared, "Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt. But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness." Romans 4:4,5
---christan on 10/30/11




Francis, you didn't explain anything you haven't already, same passages from the Old Testament given to Israel. We have moved on to the New Covenant of Grace. You are still behind. You need to leave the works of the law. The Galations didn't understand that God does not look for the external and material things, but faith working through love. The one who lives by faith is internally motivated by love for God and Christ. you are like those Galatians who wanted to get circumcise and Paul told them "You have become estranged from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by law, you fallen from Grace. They lost all prospects of God's gracious salvation. Their real desertion of Christ only proved their faith was not genuine.
---Mark_V. on 10/30/11


Francis, for a moment let's assume you are right and Christians should go to church on Saturday. Now what, can we focus on Christ, or are there other rules to start following?
---Rod4Him on 10/30/11


Nana said: "A mans love should not violate any commandment."
AND
"Blessed be the man which observes the Sabbath"

BUT you also said in another blog:
"I do not observe any Jewish holiday or the Sabbath."
AND you also supported your friend's adultery (Mark 10:12).

Perhaps you can explain these contradictions to help me understand your position.
---Haz27 on 10/28/11


Francis //and the sabbath was instituted before sin.

NOT at all true since sin was in the world long before the giving of the law. ---lee1538 on 10/28/11
Genesis 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made, and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

THIS HAPPENED BEFORE SIN

Exodus 20:11 For [in] six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them [is], and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it

THIS POINTS US BACK to THE DAYS OF CREATION BEFORE SIN
---Francis on 10/28/11


---christan on 10/28/11
Let me give you 4 biblical reasons why Matthew 11: 25-30 does not replace The sabbath with jesus

1: Based on your interpretation of matthew 11, the sabbath beings "labour and is heavy laden."

Let us see what GOD says about His sabbath:

Isaiah 58:13 my holy day, call the sabbath a DELIGHT, the holy of the LORD, honourable,
Exodus 20:10 shalt not do any work,
Genesis 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it:

See how what God says it is different from your view?
God says do not work, he said REST, he said it is a delight, honourable, it is blessed, hallowed, and sanctified. Thus it is not a burden or heavy laden.
---Francis on 10/28/11




Rod4him, they also forget if they break the law, which they do because they sin, it brings death. I don't see any SDA dying for sinning. Some SDA's don't push the law, but most do in order to get you to do Saturday Sabbath like they do. They are not happy resting in Christ every day, they only want to do it on Saturday's. Christ is only good for one day, not 24/7.
---Mark_V. on 10/29/11


---christan on 10/28/11
2: the sabbath commandments is part of the ten commandments, also called
James 1:25 the perfect law of liberty,
James 2:12 the law of liberty.

LIBERTY cannot be a yoke.

And because the sabbath commandment is part of the ten, Jesus would NEVER say to anyone do not keep the ten commandments, but believe in me instead. He would be asking them to SIN ( TRANGRESS THE LAW) to believe in Him.

That is not christlike.
It would mean that he came to destroy the law. and Jesus did not come to destroy the law, but rather to fulfil the prophecies
---Francis on 10/29/11


christian:

Jesus is the Lord of the Sabbath. But that does not make him the sabbath himself, any more than the fact that I am lord of everything in my house, including my stove, makes me a stove.
---StrongAxe on 10/29/11


Not at all. Because all whom keep the dead old testament commandments are under the old testament curse. But the "commandments of God" in the live New Testament are exactly the Commandments of Jesus Christ, whom is indeed God: "Go you all and make disciples of all nations: teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you. For we must all appear in front of the Judgment throne of Christ, that every one will receive the things in body, according to what we have done, whether good or bad." Mt.28:19,20+ I Cor.5:10.
---Eloy on 10/29/11


Mark 7:20_23 "And he said, That which cometh out of the man, that defileth the man.
For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, ..."


Mark 14:38 "Watch ye and pray, lest ye enter into temptation. The spirit truly is ready, but the flesh is weak."

christan,
FYI, Christ's Words:
Matthew 19:17: "And he said unto him, "Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God:
but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments."

If only you would concern yourself in what the Lord tells us to do instead of what you 'think with your heart'...
---Nana on 10/29/11


3: christan Take the time to compare these two scriptures:

Daniel 7:23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth,.. And he shall.. think to change times and laws:


Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

WHO DOES THE BIBLE SAY tries tto CHANGES THE LAW AND TIMES of God: JESUS or THE BEAST?
---francis on 10/29/11


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"....but it does not tell us that Jesus is the sabbath." Francis

"And He said unto them, The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath: Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the Sabbath." Mark 2:27,28

"But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God... that thy manservant and thy maidservant may rest as well as thou." Deuteronomy 20:14

"Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me, for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light." Matthew 11:28-30

Can't you see who the Sabbath really was?
---christan on 10/28/11


"...but it does not tell us that Jesus is the sabbath." Francis

And finally, it was Paul who taught, "Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: Which are a shadow of things to come, but the body is of Christ." Colossians 2:16,17

That is to say, the lamb Abel sacrifice, the ark that Noah was saved in, the ark of the covenant, the tabernacle, even the sabbath day - was pointing to the perfect man of Jesus Christ. The OT concealed the NT and the NT revealed the concealment of the OT. Or is it still being concealed for you even after the apostles wrote the Epistles?
---christan on 10/28/11


"A mans love should not violate any commandment. One cannot "love their neighbour" and violate God's commandments." - Nana

And yet the very same apostle wrote: "For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me, but how to perform that which is good I find not. For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do." Romans 7:18,19

But he concluded and acknowledged, "I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God, but with the flesh the law of sin." Romans 7:25

For Francis and Nana, it's possible to serve the law in the flesh.
---christan on 10/28/11


Francis //and the sabbath was instituted before sin.

NOT at all true since sin was in the world long before the giving of the law. Romans 5:13

The is no basis to believe that anyone observed the Sabbath prior to the time of Moses.

And it is not a sin to break the Old Testament Sabbath since such a law was given only to the Jews as the sign of the covenant (agreement) He made ONLY with them.

There is no mention in Revelation that the commandments the saints obeyed had to be the 10 commandments but simply whatever commands came from God.
---lee1538 on 10/28/11


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Now, just considering the love of neighbour, Christ did say "A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another, as I have loved you, that ye also love one another."
However, elsewhere He said, Mark 10:19 "Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Defraud not, Honour thy father and mother."
A mans love should not violate any commandment. One cannot "love their neighbour" and violate Gods's commandments."
Paul gives specifics (I Corinthians 6:9,10). There is no avoiding the specifics.

Spare me the anti SDA remarks. Blessed be the man which observes the Sabbath but as for me, I am not even circumzised.
---Nana on 10/28/11


christan, Shadows only began AFTER Sin to show us the plan of redeemption, and the sabbath was instituted before sin. The bible says that Jesus is: the bread, his body is the veil, he is the high priest, he sarves in the real sanctuary, the passover lamb, all things in the earthly sanctuary, but it does not tell us that Jesus is the sabbath. If it was a shadow it would have passed away with Jesus' death, but we see it through the NT ( acts 15, act 13, Revelation 1:10) and in the new heavens and new earth (Isaiah 66:23)

Hebrews 8:5 Who serve unto the example and SHADOW of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the TABANACLE:

It is the earthly tabanacle and it's serves that was the shadow
---francis on 10/28/11


Nana //How convenient for you to stop at James 10. If you accept James 8_10 you must accept the rest which say:

James 11_17,
"For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.
----
It is doubtful if James was given an exhaustive list of what he considered to be sin.

Fulfillment of ALL the law is simply love of neighbor.Romans 13:9-10

I can beat you to an inch of your life and not violate the 10 commandments, but sin is defined more than just breaking the 10 commandments.
---lee1538 on 10/28/11


"Nana //So lee1538, Haz27, Mark 5, christan, do you fulfil the Royal Law? Either fulfil or do not claim it.
---
you need to ask the likes of Francis as they are the ones that are obsessed with obeying commandments instead of fulfilling the Royal Law."
---lee1538 on 10/27/11

How convenient for you to stop at James 10. If you accept James 8_10 you must accept the rest which say:

James 11_17,
"For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.
So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty... "
---Nana on 10/28/11


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James 13_17,

"For he shall have judgment without mercy, that hath shewed no mercy, and mercy rejoiceth against judgment.
What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?"
If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,
And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled, notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body, what doth it profit?
Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone."

Truly stated in James as Jesus told it Matthew 22:40 "On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets."

You have no cloak!
---Nana on 10/28/11


1Jo 3:23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.
John 13:34 A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another, as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.
Exo 17:1 And all the congregation of the children of Israel journeyed from the wilderness of Sin, after their journeys, according to the commandment of the LORD.
Exo 27:20 And thou shalt command the children of Israel, that they bring thee pure oil olive beaten for the light, to cause the lamp to burn always.
--The point is that God never changes, but gives different commands to different people at different times.
---micha9344 on 10/28/11


The summation of the 10 commandments is found in Romans 13:9-10.

The commandments, You shall not commit adultery, not murder, not steal, not covet, and any other commandment, are summed up in this word: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. Love does no wrong to a neighbor, therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

One may by love of neighbor fulfill the law and not observe a particular day.

Howbeit, Romans 14:5-6 permits one to observe a particular day or none at all. "Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind".


My conviction is that since the Sabbath was not taught by the Apostles in their Epistles nor by their successors in the early church, it is not required of Christians.
---lee1538 on 10/28/11


Francis: Do you agree that the Sabbath mentioned in the OT was a shadow of things to come now found in the person of the Lord Jesus Christ? He is now the final rest for all His people who has found grace in Him? The Christian now worship God 24/7 in Spirit and Truth, and not on a particular day like a Sunday or Saturday.
---christan on 10/27/11


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Francis:

Leviticus 23:3 mentions rest and convocation, but nothing about worship

Acts 13:44 mentions hearing the word, but nothing about worship

Isaiah 66:23 says worship would be from one new moon to another, from one sabbath to another. It does not say it will happen specifically on the new moons or the sabbaths - just that it will continue forever.

Ezekiel 46:3 mentions people OF THE LAND - i.e. inhabitants of Israel, not all nations.

Also, the laws given to the Jews applied to Jews living in Israel, Jews living in other nations, strangers living in Israel, but not strangers living in other nations.
---StrongAxe on 10/28/11


Levitius 23:1, "The Lords appoints times (plural).." I didnt know the SDA kept all the feasts and followed the New Moons. Do they bring a sheaf in and wave in on the day after the Sabbath (Sunday) for Passover?

Ezekiel 46: "gate opened on the new moon...on Sabbaths and on new moons."

Isaiah 66:23, is explaining that everyday people will bow down to God.

When does the SDA Sabbath start and end? What are the rules to "keep it," and how does one know if they kept it properly? Just gather somewhere?

Colossians 2:16 means what?

I guess since I go to a church on Saturday, walking 4.5 miles sometimes, I am good for going, but bad for walking too far on the Sabbath.
---Rod4Him on 10/28/11


Francis, it isn't the law you are promoting and the way of life of believers, it is the Saturday Sabbath, not just the Sabbath, but Saturday at that. And you want everyone to do as you do. All the talk about the law and passages given are just a smoke screen. You want others to do as you do. By saying Saturday you make it a law, we are not under the law.
Paul Explained, "Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: Curse is everyone who is hung on a tree" (Gal. 3:13). The Sabbath was "a shadow of the things that were to come, the reality, however, is found in Christ" (Col. 2:17). Sorry, but you just don't get it Francis.
---Mark_V. on 10/28/11


Francis, the law which God gave was never going to justify you or anyone.
---christan on 10/27/11

Have i suggested in any way shape or form that the law justifies anyone? Look at the blog question. My post only serve to answer that question.


The command to observe the Sabbath was ONLY given to the Jewish nation. ---lee1538 on 10/27/11

That is a LIE, no suprise it comes from you. I have ansered that with scripture on another one of your blogs. But to repeat: MOST TIMES God commands the sabbath he EMPHASISES that THE STRANGER should keep the sabbath also, and an entire bible chapter ( ISAIAH 56) is devoted to the stranger NON JEW and EVERY ONE keeping the sabbath. Every proselytes kept the sabbath and all of Gods laws
---Francis on 10/27/11


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Francis, the law which God gave was never going to justify you or anyone.

"And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us, And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.

Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear? But we believe that through the grace of the LORD Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they."
Acts 15:8-11

You walk with a yoke around your neck and you're trying to put it on those who have already found grace in Jesus Christ. Just like the Pharisees. Good for you, you'll go where the Pharisees go.
---christan on 10/27/11


Francis //The Bible commands that we keep the 7th day holy and worship together on that day.//

yes, and God told Noah to go build a boat? Should we do the same?

The command to observe the Sabbath was ONLY given to the Jewish nation. Any Jew would tell you that. But there is viritually not even a hint for Christian to observe any day as holy. If you can find one, then please provide it as you will be the first in history to be able to do so.
---lee1538 on 10/27/11


The Bible commands that we keep the 7th day holy and worship together on that day.//
Where is the later part of this statement found?
---Rod4Him on 10/27/11

Leviticus 23:3 Six days shall work be done: but the seventh day [is] the sabbath of rest, an holy convocation,

Ezekiel 46:3 Likewise the people of the land shall worship at the door of this gate before the LORD in the sabbaths and in the new moons.

Acts 13:44 And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.

Isaiah 66:23 And it shall come to pass, [that] from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.
---Francis on 10/27/11


Nana - James 2:8-10 addresses the issue of how we should treat people on the criteria of social status.

I like the more modern version on this verse.

2,8-10 NLT Yes indeed, it is good when you obey the royal law as found in the Scriptures? Love your neighbor as yourself, But if you favor some people over others, you are committing a sin You are guilty of breaking the law
---lee1538 on 10/27/11


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Nana //So lee1538, Haz27, Mark 5, christan, do you fulfil the Royal Law? Either fulfil or do not claim it.
---
you need to ask the likes of Francis as they are the ones that are obsessed with obeying commandments instead of fulfilling the Royal Law.
---lee1538 on 10/27/11


you're just not going to answer my question about which day the Bible FORBIDS us to worship God, are you?
---Cluny on 10/27/11

I ANSWERED on 10/26/11


Legalism exalts law above Grace. ---Mark_V. on 10/27/11

The blog question is about what is mean by the commandmentsof God, all my post have to do with the commandments of God. If the question was about grace I would answer with references to grace. You need to check yourself, your churches teached 9/10 commandments why do you not consider that legalism? How is 9/10 grace, but 10/10 legalism?
CHECK YOURSELF!!
---francis on 10/27/11


//The Bible commands that we keep the 7th day holy and worship together on that day.//

Where is the later part of this statement found?

Lee is right. SDA type sabbath keepers have redefined what keeping the sabbath means. Perhaps one of them could tell us how "they keep the sabbath and when it starts and is over." And which Rabbi gave the explanation of "how to keep it."
---Rod4Him on 10/27/11


"Disregard love and what you have is another Pharisee, the Sabbath observing law keepers who hated Christ."
---lee1538 on 10/27/11

No, disregard love and what you have done is be "convinced of the law as transgressors."
That "love" is the "Royal Law".

James 2:8_10 "If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well: But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.
For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all."

So lee1538, Haz27, Mark 5, christan, do you fulfil the Royal Law? Either fulfil or do not claim it.
---Nana on 10/27/11


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I really have no problem with someone that wants to observe the 10 commandments, even attempting to observe the Jewish Sabbath, however, the summation as expressed in Romans 13:9-10 should be in focus for our Christian walk.

Romans 13:9-10 The commandments, You shall not commit adultery, not murder, not steal, You covet, and any other commandment, are summed up in this word: You shall love your neighbor as yoursef. Love does no wrong to a neighbor, therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

Disregard love and what you have is another Pharisee, the Sabbath observing law keepers who hated Christ.
---lee1538 on 10/27/11


francis, you're just not going to answer my question about which day the Bible FORBIDS us to worship God, are you?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/27/11


Francis, Legalism is the opposite of antinomianism. Whereas antinomianism denies the significance of law, Legalism exalts law above Grace. The legalist in Jesus time were Pharisees, and Jesus reserved His strongest criticism for them. The fundamental distortion of legalism is the belief that one can earn one's way into the kingdom of Heaven. The Pharisees believed that due to their status as children of Abraham, and to their scrupulous adherence to the law, they were children of God. At the core, this was a denial of the gospel. And added to the law their own traditions. That kind of legalism didn't end with the Pharisees, it plagues the Church in every generation. Catholic, SDA's, Mormons, Jehovah Witnesses, Isalm, some protestant churches.
---Mark_V. on 10/27/11


So don't push your SDA legalism on me,
---Mark_V. on 10/26/11
please explain how THIS is legalism:
1. Do not worship other gods.
2. Do not worship idols.
3. Do not misuse God's name.
4. Keep the Sabbath holy.
5. Honor your father & mother.
6. Do not murder.
7. Do not commit adultery.
8. Do not steal.
9. Do not lie.
10. Do not covet

and THIS is not:
1. Do not worship other gods.
2. Do not worship idols.
3. Do not misuse God's name.
4.
5. Honor your father & mother.
6. Do not murder.
7. Do not commit adultery.
8. Do not steal.
9. Do not lie.
10. Do not covet

I bet anything that you cannot
---francis on 10/26/11
---Francis on 10/26/11


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//Hopefully you will see the light before it is too late.
---Pierre on 10/26/11
Golly I have been a ardent student of the Bible for the past 50 years and have had many many experience with the Lord. If I do not know the truth by now, I would have to be the most pitied of all people.

However, it is plain to see that Adventism draws most of their unique doctrines from the Old Covenant and ignores what is plainly taught in the New. Verses in Romans, Galatians,Colossians and other books have to be interpreted in ways not known to the church as a whole.

Yes, we can agree that without freedom of speech, there would probably be little if any hope for you.
---lee1538 on 10/26/11


I don't know if you are the same francis or not, but same goes to you. Why do you question my life? Why not look in the mirror concerning your own life and your own sin, or do you claim to be perfect and without sin? Who are you to look at someone els's life, when there is sin in yours? No one speaks for sin. You do. You accuse others of sinning. In your conscience to not do Saturday is sin. In my conscience it is not. In my conscience your legalism is sin. So don't push your SDA legalism on me, I don't want to sin and be like you. Be perfect and sinless, then you have a right to judge others. You go right ahead and live your life to the letter of the Law, I will live my life to the Spirit of the Law
---Mark_V. on 10/26/11


---Mark_V. on 10/
please explain how THIS is legalism:
1. Do not worship other gods.
2. Do not worship idols.
3. Do not misuse God's name.
4. Keep the Sabbath holy.
5. Honor your father & mother.
6. Do not murder.
7. Do not commit adultery.
8. Do not steal.
9. Do not lie.
10. Do not covet

and THIS is not:
1. Do not worship other gods.
2. Do not worship idols.
3. Do not misuse God's name.
4.
5. Honor your father & mother.
6. Do not murder.
7. Do not commit adultery.
8. Do not steal.
9. Do not lie.
10. Do not covet

I bet anything that you cannot
---francis on 10/26/11


Lee: 1538
This morning I just about let the devil have his way in that I was about to go off on you for the untruths
you come up with on these pages but I was reminded that we live in a country where we still enjoy free speech. So
have at it! Hopefully you will see the light before it is too late.
---Pierre on 10/26/11


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\\Isaiah 66:23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.\\

And Rev. 21 makes it plain there is no sun or moon in the World to Come, so there can't be a new moon.'

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/26/11


It is clear that the sabbath observance was given to Jews alone.
---Cluny on 10/26/11
Old Covenant and New Covenant made with Israel and judah. Anyone who enters the new covenant is entering a VERY JEWISH covenant.
Now, in all the commandments about keeping the sabbath God is VERY particular about THE NONE JEW keeping the sabbath.
because God is no respector of persons.
Deuteronomy 5:14 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: THE STRANGER
Isaiah 56:6 Also the sons of THE STRANGER, EVERY ONE that keepeth the sabbath

EVERY ONE CANNOT BE JEWS ONLY
---Francis on 10/26/11


\\that does not even make sense.
You are desperate now.
how does the bible command it without a command?\\

francis, YOU are the one not making any sense.

It is clear that the sabbath observance was given to Jews alone. For the time being, we will ignore the question of why SDAs pick and choose which of God's sabbaths they observe.

YOU are the one being desperate when you pick out the "one law for the stranger" verse, as you take it out of context. It is given only TWICE--when observing the Pesach, and offering sacrifices at the Tabernacle and Temple.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/26/11


While the Bible does indeed command the Jewish nation to observe the Sabbath, there is virtually NO COMMAND or even a recommendation in the Bible to observe the Sabbath.
---lee1538 on 10/25/11

that does not even make sense.
You are desperate now.
how does the bible command it without a command?
---francis on 10/26/11


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If we, which will never happen, became SDA's we would also be teaching legalism. And would be under the law. But when Christ saves sinners, they are not under the law, and those who are in Christ, are guided by the Holy Spirit and will never turn to SDA's.
---Mark_V. on 10/26/11


If we all became Seventh-Day Adventists, it would certainly simplify things around here! :)
---God.is.everywhere on 10/25/11

Not to worry, those who make it to heaven will get to enjoy the blessing of the sabbath just as seventhday adventist do today, things will be simple:

Isaiah 66:22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain.
Isaiah 66:23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.
---francis on 10/26/11


If we all became Seventh-Day Adventists, it would certainly simplify things around here! :)
---God.is.everywhere on 10/25/11


Francis //The Bible commands that we keep the 7th day holy and worship together on that day.

You really need to read your Bible more slowly to see what it really has to say.

While the Bible does indeed command the Jewish nation to observe the Sabbath, there is virtually NO COMMAND or even a recommendation in the Bible to observe the Sabbath.

What you are pitching is known as Adventism, not the truth found in the Bible.
---lee1538 on 10/25/11


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Adventists believe we must convert to Judaism to be a legitimate Christian as they choose to believe the New Covenant is just a rehash of the Old Covenant.

They must deliberately ignores the decrees of the Jerusalem council that laws that are strictly Jewish were not imposed on the Church. Acts 15 must not be in their Bible, Church history is also ignored.

But such is the plight of the poor blind legalist who beleive one must be obedient to law to be saved eternally.

While they claim one is saved by grace, grace to them is simply a provision that enables them to obey the law.
---lee1538 on 10/25/11


A covenant is a sovereign pronouncement which God establishes a relationship of responsibility 1) between himself & an individual, 2) between Himself & mankind in general, 3) between Himself & a nation, or 4) between Himself & a specific human family.
A covenant in one category may overlap others...The covenants are normally unconditional, that God obligates Himself in grace, by the unrestricted declaration, 'I will' to accomplish certain announced purposes, despite any failure of the person or people with whom He covenants. The human response is always important, leading to blessing for obedience and discipline for disobedience. Human failure never abrogates the covenant or block its fulfillment." (C.I. Scofield)
---lee1538 on 10/25/11


Cluny, I will you but you will NEVER answer me.

The Bible commands that we keep the 7th day holy and worship together on that day. While the bible does NOT forbid congrgational worship on any day, It specifically commands it on the sabbath.

OBEDIENCE is WORSHIP. Romans 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey, whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

When we keep the sabbath we are worshiping God.
When anyone chooses not to keep the sabbath and to make another day his sabbath, he is living IN SIN and not worshiping God

Mark 7:7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
---Francis on 10/25/11


\\Where in the bible is any command to observe the 8th day? or even the 1st day?
---Francis on 10/25/11\\

On what day of the week are we FORBIDDEN to worship, Francis?

Please give book, chapter, and verse.

Or else have the courage to admit you don't know the answer.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/25/11


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You can celebrate a fallen creation if you wish, Francis.
We Christians will celebrate a new cycle of the redemption and re-creation of a NEW World on the Eighth Day.

---Cluny on 10/25/11

SCRIPTURES, I actually use SCRIPTURES

Jesus celebrated the sabbath in a fallen world:
Luke 4:16 And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read.

SO WHY NOT ME
How does the death of Jesus, ( AND WHICH SCRIPTURE) undo the fact that God created in 6 days and rested on the 7th?

Where in the bible is any command to observe the 8th day? or even the 1st day?
---Francis on 10/25/11


//You can celebrate a fallen creation if you wish, Francis.

If one were to determine how the Sabbath according to the Bible is to be observed, I would reckon even Francis, Warwick, or any of their cronies really do NOT observe the Sabbath. So all they have done is to change the Sabbath into a day of communal worship.

For instance, the LAW states one is not to light a fire in your home on the Sabbath, but all SDAs do just that. So while they claim to observe the Sabbath, they really do not.

Ex 35:3 You shall kindle no fire in all your dwelling places on the Sabbath day.

And this was an instruction that God gave Moses for the children of Israel which God wrote on believers hearts in the new covenant?
---lee1538 on 10/25/11


The theology of John was quite different from the theology of Paul, and often conflicted with it. :)
---God.is.everywhere on 10/23/11

Eph 4:7 But unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ.

2Pe 3:16 As also in all [Paul's] epistles, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

things that seemingly conflict depending on our understanding (or lack thereof). despite two vastly different audiences...Eph 4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism
---aka on 10/24/11


Gods elect are those that He chose prior to the creation billions of years ago as stated in Epths. 1: 3-23. The only way to be a member of the family of God is to be chosen By God the Father.
---Blogger9211 on 10/24/11


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\\It is THE 7TH DAY OF EVERY WEEK, BLESSED, SANCTIFIED and HALLOWED by God as a DAY of REST, AND CONVOCATIONAL WORSHIP to his people. God called it His Holy Day and Honouranble day.\\

You can celebrate a fallen creation if you wish, Francis.

We Christians will celebrate a new cycle of the redemption and re-creation of a NEW World on the Eighth Day.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/25/11


---Rob on 10/24/11
Genesis 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made, and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.
Exodus 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work
Isaiah 58:13 the sabbath, holy day, the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable,

It is THE 7TH DAY OF EVERY WEEK, BLESSED, SANCTIFIED and HALLOWED by God as a DAY of REST, AND CONVOCATIONAL WORSHIP to his people. God called it His Holy Day and Honouranble day.
---Francis on 10/24/11


lee1538, good points
You said: "Better to interpret these "commandments" as being any command from Jesus that would depict His righteous Lordship."

Now that would be 1John3:23:
"And this is His commandment: that we should believe on the name of His Son Jesus Christ and love one another, as He gave us commandment."
---Haz27 on 10/24/11


God's commandments include "Do all things without complaining and disputing, that you may become blameless and harmless, children of God without fault in the midst of a crooked and perverse generation, among whom you shine as lights in the world, holding fast the word of life, so that I may rejoice in the day of Christ that I have not run in vain or labored in vain." (Philippians 2:14-16)

So, by not complaining and arguing, we can "become blameless and harmless . . . without fault in the midst of a crooked and perverse generation". God commands this. So, I would say He considers this to be a realistic expectation for His children.
---Bill_willa6989 on 10/24/11


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two different messages to two different peoples.
Gal. 2:9And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship, that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision.
---michael_e on 10/24/11

Two different houses/peoples. Judah/Benj and their Divorced of GOD ethno's/brothers. Word "heathen" in the Grk below.
Ethnos of who?
Matt 10:6
But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

ethnos
eth'-nos
Probably from G1486, a race (as of the same habit), that is, a tribe, specifically a foreign (non-Jewish) one (usually by implication pagan):
---Trav on 10/24/11


Francis
//Acts 2:32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.
3:15 And killed the Prince of life, whom God hath raised from the dead, whereof we are witnesses.
5:30 The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree.

True of his resurrection! And that is at the heart of what we view as the Gospel.

2:32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.

Romans 1:8 First, I thank my God through Jesus Christ for you all, that your faith is spoken of throughout the whole world.

Faith, but not works of the law for the righteous will live by faith (1:17) nor did he commend the Romans for their adherence to anything we find in the Old Covenant laws.!
---lee1538 on 10/24/11


Francis, why won't you answer the question I asked you earlier on another blog about what is the Sabbath?
---Rob on 10/24/11


lee1538I
Acts 2:32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.

Acts 2:33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted

Acts 3:15 And killed the Prince of life, whom God hath raised from the dead, whereof we are witnesses.

Acts 5:30 The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree.

Romans 1:8 First, I thank my God through Jesus Christ for you all, that your faith is spoken of throughout the whole world.

"God" as most often used in the Bible does not refer to Jesus, but the father

and commandments of God are the tne commandments

cluny I cannot miss Jesus he created in 6 days and rested on th 7th, try not to miss Him
---Francis on 10/24/11


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Francis, the Pharisees made a big to-do over the Sabbath as well--and what good did it do them?

They missed Jesus.

Beware, yourself!

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/24/11


//The theology of John was quite different from the theology of Paul, and often conflicted with it. :)
---God.is.everywhere on 10/23/11//
two different messages to two different peoples.
Gal. 2:9And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship, that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision.
---michael_e on 10/24/11


The theology of John was quite different from the theology of Paul, and often conflicted with it. :)
---God.is.everywhere on 10/23/11

Judean Christians understood the commandments. But, many of divorced Israel understood them also. (Note woman at the well. She was a Lost Sheep of Divorced Israel. Knew of the messiah who would come. Her father Jacob dug the well she said)

Are two legal distinctions while Christ is alive. The still married..Judah/Benj and the divorced Northern House of ten. 10 Virgins.
Being cleansed/free by law, through Christ's Death. Paul addresses in Romans. Judah, will be made jealous by this renewal.

(Post some of the confliction....I don't need any either if it's there)
---Trav on 10/24/11


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