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Pat Robertson said that OBAMA is inciting "Occupy Wall Street". Is this true.

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Jed:I pay $720 a month in COBRA payments in order to have medical benefits. My Social Security checks are too much for Medicaid. I went without my retirement check for four months last year, and could not afford to pay my bills during that time, between my rent, COBRA and other expenses. I feel sorry for the people who do not have a retirement check to supplement their Social Security. They won't qualify for Medicaid, and it takes two years on Disability to qualify for Medicare.
---Trish on 10/28/11


Jed, our liberal/Left government here in Australia is simialr to yours in the US. They claim to represent the interests of the poor, etc but it's all just political rhetoric.

They throw money at Aboriginals but their plight gets worse.
Another example of our government's "compassion" is the inappropriate spending of $300,000 on a private jet to fly illegal immigrants to a funeral for loved ones who died in their efforts to come to Australia.
But contrast this with their cutting funding on scientific research that saves lives.

The liberal/Left FEIGN compassion for the poor etc, for political advantage only.
---Haz27 on 10/28/11


StrongAxe, I came from a very poor family. These protestors have no idea what it is to be poor. My family was homeless at times and we regularly got our food out of grocery store dumpsters. We did not have the latest gadgets or health insurance, but we survived, and we never expected anyone to give us a dime we didn't work for. And my mother never blamed some rich banker for her troubles. She accepted responsibility for her actions and decisions that led us to that point in life. However, I am now building a successful life through hard work and responsible choices. We do not waste our money on gadgets and games. But even if we did, we are not the ones saying we can't afford to pay our own bills while buying toys for ourselves.
---Jed on 10/28/11


Nursey: Are you a marxist as well? Don't you, as a Christian, condemn covetousness?
---jerry6593 on 10/29/11


There are many poor people in the US but while observing some of the younger people, they all have cell phones, lap tops, designer clothes and while they are destroying the very hand that feeds them (or maybe not), they continue to buy expensive tents and food. When you are poor, you eat dried beans, potatoes and corn bread. We didn't have money to spend on tents, gas to protest whatever, or money to buy food outside of our home. Mom made our clothes but at the same time, I thought I was rich. I thought everyone was like us. My Dad and Mom worked hard and never took a hand out. The bible tells us if we don't work, we shouldn't eat either. This generation of young folks (not all of them) are raised to get everything they want when they want it.
---shira4368 on 10/29/11




Ok, Jed, lets look at the numbers

Man get laid off. Has a wife/2 kids. Assuming he can find jobs he works 80hrs a week at minimum.

Salary about $30k a year. The cut off for elegibility for Medicaid $14,637 (NY state) so even if working 1 full time job at minimum wage you are NOT eligible.
Payroll deductions: $4500 (15%),
Housing: $7200 ($600/month).
Food: $3600 ($300/month).
Utilities $1800 ($150/month).

These do not include transportation and they gave up all the niceities (you know, computers, video games, Ipads, cableetc..) That leaves $12,900.

The average cost of health insurance premiums for a family was $13,375 in 2009.

Do the math, Jed. Your numbers dont add up.
---NurseRobert on 10/29/11


Jed:

I had a close friend who needed a triple bypass operation earlier this year. He had the donor veins marked out and was scheduled to go in for surgery the next day, when the state decided to cancel his health insurance so he couldn't have the operation. He had a heart attack and died a few months later.

So yes, he died becuase he didn't have health insurance.

I also have a friend who has a degenerative eye condition and was scheduled to go in for necessary eye surgery, but his employers were self-insured and didn't want to pay for it out of their pockets, so they found a pretext to fire him a couple of days before his surgery, which he couldn't afford on his own, so he didn't have it and is now almost blind.
---StrongAxe on 10/29/11


Jed: Many of the Occupyers are recently unemployed, and probably bought their gadgets when they were working.

The unemployment rate in some parts of this country is 16%, and those are just the ones collecting benefits. The statistics about unemployment only count the people on benefits, not the people whose benefits ran out, nor the veterans who come back from active service.

There are NOT enough jobs to go around. Factories are closing and businesses are downsizing. It is NOT the fault of the unemployed that they are out of work.

My sister works in the unemployment department of the state of New Jersey, and she is constantly working overtime because of the number of people who are out of work.
---Trish on 10/29/11


Also, your blanket statement that the poor have "video games...etc, is hyperbole at its worst. Your cynicism amazes me..
---NurseRobert on 10/28/11

The ones complaining on Wall Street certainly do. Look at any photograph of the protestors and you will without doubt see about 100 laptops or ipads. Just like the egyptian protestors.
---Jed on 10/28/11


You could be working two or three minimum wage jobs and make too much money to qualify for medicaid -NurseRobert 10/28/11

If you make too much money to qualify for medicaid than you can pay for your own healthcare. And yes, I buy private health insurance, not from an employer.

Trish, did your children die from not having health insurance? Also, if both you and your husband worked where did all your money go if you did not have anything? Even people on minimum wage jobs can still afford to go to the doctor if they prioritize and budget for emergencies. I have worked minimum wage jobs before without health insurance and paid out of pocket when I needed to go to the doctor. Did you decide to have kids or were they forced on you?
---Jed on 10/28/11




Jed:

Where do you fit into the economic spectrum? Do you have a decent job, and are you able to afford food and health insurance, and the latest gadgets? If not, you are either proving my point, or invalidating your own. And if so, you should remove the iPod out of your own eye before criticizing those of others.
---StrongAxe on 10/28/11


Jed, not everyone can get medicaid. You could be working two or three minimum wage jobs and make too much money to qualify for medicaid, and still not have health insurance. Have you priced the cost of private (not employer sponsored) health insurance. I comes down to eating and having a roof over your head or having insurance...

Also, your blanket statement that the poor have "video games...etc, is hyperbole at its worst. Your cynicism amazes me..
---NurseRobert on 10/28/11


Jed: My family went without health insurance from 1980 to 1988. We worked, but at jobs that did not offer medical benefits. The only insurance we afforded was catastrophic hospital coverage. It did not pay for doctor's visits if our children got sick. Nor did it pay for the prescriptions of antibiotics or other medications necessary.

We did not qualify for Medicaid, and the only clinic available was too far away to drive to. Plus, if we took a day off from work to take our kids to the clinic, that was money we lost in income.

We did not have any luxuries, not even cable TV. We did not go out to eat, nor did we go to movies. Vacations were out.

Your stereotype of the poor is just plain wrong.
---Trish9863 on 10/28/11


This is absolutely untrue. The current medicaid system provides innoculations. Actually, medicaid covers more than most private insurance does. And for those without medicaid, county and city health departments offer innoculations free of charge for those that cannot pay.

Also, take a look at the people who are considered poor in this country. They've got the latest video games, computers, ipads, and all kinds of toys. If these so called "poor" really wanted health insurance, they could afford it with a little budgeting and prioritizing. Very few people have to choose between food and healthcare. Most just have to choose between health insurance and the latest gadget, and latest gadget wins every time.
---Jed on 10/28/11


Yes, Jed, I do believe that's ok. Who do you think pays for the health care of those who do not have insurance, weather they can afford it or not? The rest of us, in higher insurance premiums and higher health care.

Of course government funded programs are paid for by the taxpayers. These are done for the public good. Who do you think pays for the infrastructure? The national defense? Public schooling?
Remember "promote the general welfare" clause of the Preamble.
---NurseRobert on 10/28/11


Jed:

Without insurance, those who are poor and cannot infored innoculations get sick and spread diseases to everyone else. We now give such people only emergency care. We know fixing problem is much more expensive than taking preventative measures, so this costs MORE than paying for preventative care for them.

Or, we can do what we used to decades ago - let sick people without insurance die on the hospital steps.

Do you think THIS is OK?

As far as Bachman's gaffes go, a few mistaken comments are no big deal. But she frequently pontificates at length about subjects where she is grossly misinformed. If she shows such poor judgment as the chief executive, the results could be disastrous.
---StrongAxe on 10/28/11


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Jed, have you READ the health care bill? If you had, you would know that everyone is required to purchase insurance. Those who cannot afford it would be subsidized by the government. -NurseRobert 10/27/11

And you think this is okay?
---Jed on 10/28/11


Those who cannot afford it would be subsidized by the government. -NurseRobert 10/27/11

NurseRobert, the first thing you need to understand is that the government can't pay for anyone's healthcare because the government doesn't have any money because the government isn't a person that works at a job. So when you say government money you are actually talking about taxpayer's money. So to put it in proper perspective, your statement should read "Those who cannot afford it would be paid for by other people". Other people being the rich as the lower 51% of all wage earners do not pay any taxes at all. All government funded programs are paid for by other people.
---Jed on 10/28/11


... protest his Obamacare bill that has actually caused insurance premiums to go up. ---Jed on 10/27/11

It most certainly has not and there is not one valid shred of evidence that proves otherwise.

Jed, have you READ the health care bill? If you had, you would know that everyone is required to purchase insurance. Those who cannot afford it would be subsidized by the government.

Its called the "Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act" (PPACA). Its about 1000 pages and Im sure you are smart enough to understand it.

Perhaps you would enlighten us as to what you call socialize medicine because what you call "obama" care is certainly not it.
---NurseRobert on 10/27/11


StrongAxe, so you're saying Bachman couldn't be president because she mistook John Wayne's hometown and other mistakes as trivial as this? Obama has made a fool out himself and our country many more times, and over things of much more importance than some actor's hometown. If things so trivial as this are the defining factor of who you choose to support rather than moral and idealogical issues, it's no wonder you're a liberal.
---Jed on 10/27/11


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StrongAxe, I agree about the medical insurance premiums being too high. So perhaps the protestors should be standing in Obama's front yard to protest his Obamacare bill that has actually caused insurance premiums to go up. What is your solution, socialized healthcare in which the rich will pay for everyone's health insurance? Anyways, how are the bankers and Wall Street to blame for insurance premiums being too high?
---Jed on 10/27/11


Jed:

Yes, everyone has the right to pay for medical insurance. Unfortunately, in many cases, the cost of medical insurance is so high that people in low-paying jobs (i.e. ones that pay the legal mininum wage) end up spending the money they earn after taxes on important things like food, rent, electricity, water, etc. and can't afford the insurance premiums. When you have to choose between being able to eat but not having insurance, or being covered in the remote chance you might be hit by a truck (assuming you live long enough without food), which would you choose?
---StrongAxe on 10/27/11


Reganomics, Trickle-down economics, Supply side economics, voodoo economics.. what ever you call it did not work as we were told.

If you look at the numbers, before Reganomics, you will find that percentage increase in income was pretty equal across all income levels, however, AFTER Reganomics, there was a massive upturn for the very wealthy, while the lower income had much smaller growth.

Please feel free to look it up. 125 words is not enough.
---NurseRobert on 10/27/11


is this the result of bush tax cuts for the rich?

premise of bush tax cuts for the rich is 'trickle down' economy & then it will create jobs. BUT the rich got richer so it is a 'trick'le up economy.
---mike on 10/27/11


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Jed:

I heard it directly from videos of Bachman's speeches. You can't make this stuff up.

For example, when speaking at her home town of Waterloo, Iowa, she said it was also John Wayne's home town, and she wanted to see an America run by John Wayne's values.

However, the actor John Wayne (whose name was actually Marion Morrison) was born in Winterset Iowa. The John Wayne who WAS born in Waterloo, Iowa was John Wayne Gacy - the notorious serial killer. I, for one, don't want to live in an America dominated by HIS values.

This is an example of plain sloppiness - even more so because it was HER OWN HOME TOWN. There are many other examples of her making similar or even worse errors of fact, that will not fit in 125 words.
---StrongAxe on 10/27/11


And there is a big difference between being unable to work, and being able to work but refusing to do so. Social programs are intended to help those who are unable.
---StrongAxe on 10/27/11

Regardless of intent (which can also be argued) that is not what social programs actually do. Very few people on social programs are actually fully incapable of doing anything to earn money. As for the intentions of social programs, do you not think the desire for more government control plays a part?
---Jed on 10/27/11


Trish, these people do not have medical benefits because they don't PAY FOR IT. Every U.S. citizen is allowed to buy medical insurance, but you have to pay for it. Expecting someone else to pay for it is free-loading. And you say that these people can't afford to support themselves but they can afford expensive laptops, iphones, and other gadgets? Some of the people down there accually said they quit their jobs to join the protest. And if they have lost a job due to companies out-sourcing, then they should be out looking for a job rather than forming a mob. Or they can correct whatever it is about themselves that keep employers from wanting them, like their attitude or work ethic. Theres nothing wrong with having to compete for your job.
---Jed on 10/27/11


What a lot of you do not understand is that the Occupy Wall Streeters are not free-loaders. They are people who have been jobless due to the decisions of big business to outsource jobs. They are people who work but get no medical benefits. They are people who work, but cannot support their families, much less themselves. All they want is a chance to support themselves and have medical benefits. That is not covetousness, nor is it Marxist.
---Trish9863 on 10/27/11


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I've noticed that spoiled suburban darlings participating in the various OWS demonstrations are wearing Che t-shirts or carrying his picture.

Don't they realize that they will be the first up against the wall if Che's ideologues were to take over?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/27/11


John:Of course not. Caesar was much worse than Obama, yet Jesus did not revile him.

Social programs are intended to help those who are unable.
---StrongAxe on 10/27/11

Caesar ruled because Israel's punishment time was not over yet. The New Covenant came into effect after Christ's death. Second coming will be different.
Poser is only "social-ist" trick or treat is for votes to remain in political power.
Buying his disciples/ apostles like yourself with worker's toil, sweat and blood. He is not a GOD to distribute fairly. But,a poser in every aspect.

I'll say it again. Churches/community's could have handled social programs with love and care money....some still attempt and do to some extent.
---Trav on 10/27/11


John:

Of course not. Caesar was much worse than Obama, yet Jesus did not revile him. Rome taxed both citizens and non-citizens alike, and used that money to fund idolatrous pagan temples and wars of conquest against other nations, from whom they in turn extracted more tribute. They didn't take from the rich and give to the poor. They took from the rich and poor alike and gave to themselves.

And there is a big difference between being unable to work, and being able to work but refusing to do so. Social programs are intended to help those who are unable.
---StrongAxe on 10/27/11


Nursey: Are you a marxist as well? Don't you, as a Christian, condemn covetousness?
---jerry6593 on 10/27/11


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People, all candidates are sinners. All have an agenda. Not one of them knows everything. Presidents are only as good as the people they have around them. Sin roams in every office in goverment. Man look out for himself, no matter who is in office. One thing we should worry about is which one has more to give concerning God and His values. That is what is important to us Christians. We ourselves are judge by God for our motives and decisions in life. Whoever makes it to be president it is because God allowed him or permitted him to be there. It is all known by God already. If the president leads us all to damnation with world war, it is already known by God. It will not change what He already knows and permits.
---Mark_V. on 10/27/11


Ron paul is the only sane cahdidate
---duane on 10/26/11


lee1538:

Jesus spoke against Jewish religious leaders (Pharisees) and the Jewish secular leader (Herod). However, he did not speak against Roman religious leaders (pagan temple priests) nor Roman secular leaders (Caesar, Pilate).
---StrongAxe on 10/26/11


StrongAxe, where do you hear this garbage from?
---Jed on 10/26/11


mmmm.... just about ever time she opens her mouth.
---NurseRobert on 10/26/11


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//Which secular leader of His earthly sojourn did Jesus speak against?

Luke 13:31 At that very hour some Pharisees came and said to him, Get away from here, for Herod wants to kill you. And he said to them, Go and tell that fox, Behold, I cast out demons and perform cures today and tomorrow, and the third day I finish my course.

Guilty of name calling?
---lee1538 on 10/26/11


I am very afraid of the idea of President Bachman. Not because I dislike Republicans, but because she simultaneously espouses very strong opinions, and also frequently puts her foot in her mouth as far as the knee when she states them. She frequently gets simple facts dead wrong. br>
While such rashness of speech is disturbing for a politician in high office, it is downright diastrous in a commander in chief, who has the power to start wars (and even nuclear ones). She could press The Button based on an incorrect opinion.

George W. Bush had the same problem, but she has it much worse.
---StrongAxe on 10/26/11

StrongAxe, where do you hear this garbage from?
---Jed on 10/26/11


Cluny, I did not specify that they were secular leaders. I said he spoke out against the evil leaders of his day. Jerusalem in Jesus time, as it still is in most of the middle east, religious law was the law of the land. And religious leaders enforced the law, they even had the authority to put people to death. Jesus was very outspoken throughout his entire ministry against these wickedness of these leaders.
---Jed on 10/26/11


\\Jesus sure didn't keep his mouth shut when it came to the corrupt leaders in his day. To the contrary, he was quite boldly outspoken against them.
---Jed on 10/25/11\\

Which secular leader of His earthly sojourn did Jesus speak against?

Name please, along with BCV.

Thanks.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/26/11


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John:

I am very afraid of the idea of President Bachman. Not because I dislike Republicans, but because she simultaneously espouses very strong opinions, and also frequently puts her foot in her mouth as far as the knee when she states them. She frequently gets simple facts dead wrong.

While it's no sin to be uninformed, it is very unwise to confidently spout nonsense about things you are wrong about.

While such rashness of speech is disturbing for a politician in high office, it is downright diastrous in a commander in chief, who has the power to start wars (and even nuclear ones). She could press The Button based on an incorrect opinion.

George W. Bush had the same problem, but she has it much worse.
---StrongAxe on 10/26/11


Jed: Many of the Occupy Wall Streeters are the working poor. People who work full time, but only earn minimum wage and get no medical benefits. That is what the Occupy Wall Street is all about.

My son-in-law is a carpenter who does not get medical benefits with his job. My daughter has to work half-time at her teaching job to pay for medical benefits for their children and themselves. She would rather stay home with her children, but can't. There is a six month waiting list for CHIP benefits for children in Michigan.
---Trish9863 on 10/26/11


\\Oh yes! I sense the fear and trembling of the Left. Doing all you can to discredit her. BUT YOU WILL FAIL!\\

And should Bachmann not even be nominated by any party, John?

Then what?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/26/11


StrongAxe, are you seriously trying to equate Caesar with Barack Obama? Our governments are completely different. Tea partiers are in no way suggesting they should have anything of Obama's. What they are angry about is the governement taking money that belongs to other people and giving it to someone else. There were no socialist programs in Jesus' times that took money out of working people's pockets and gave it to non-working people. The apostle Paul clearly stated what should happen to people who refuse to work.
---Jed on 10/26/11


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All this "hate the rich" rhetoric is nothing but classic marxist class warfare. ---jerry6593 on 10/26/11

blah, blah, blah.,..

Why is it only called class warfare when the poor start fighting back?
---NurseRobert on 10/26/11


Jed:

Yes. Not how much Jesus complained about the idolatrous war-mongering anti-semitic Roman Caesear. Oh wait. He didn't. He said "render unto Caesar what is Caesar's". He didn't revile the Roman governor Pilate either.

The only leaders he chastized were his own - the Jewish religious leaders (Pharisees) and Jewish secular leader (Herod).
---StrongAxe on 10/26/11


All this "hate the rich" rhetoric is nothing but classic marxist class warfare. What is shocking is that many Christians do not recognize it by its biblical name - COVETOUSNESS!
---jerry6593 on 10/26/11


Haz, concerning election, you said,

"Very true. Even here in Australia I could see that Obama got in on the racially prejudiced vote and the mis-informed."

The verdict of O.J. good example, even members of the jury were happy.
The real problem is Sin. No matter the president. Sin doesn't escape presidents. There is more Liberals then genuine Christians. The illigals root for what they can get, the unions, the abortionist, the women rights, they are all thinking about what they can get. Even half Christians are liberal. They want their rights but also want to stand for God. We cannot forget we have been bought with the blood of Christ. We have a different constitution. A different bill of rights. That of God.
---Mark_V. on 10/26/11


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The apostle Paul never bad-mouthed Emperor Nero, but rather urged people to pray for him. But apparently he gave Christians of later centuries, like us, permission to bad-mouth their leaders. That's how I understand it from these blogs. :)
---God.is.everywhere on 10/25/11

Jesus sure didn't keep his mouth shut when it came to the corrupt leaders in his day. To the contrary, he was quite boldly outspoken against them.
---Jed on 10/25/11


Jed said: "And of those 38%, a portion couldn't care less about politics and still support him simply because of his race. And another portion are simply misinformed by the liberal media's lies about what he says".

Very true.
Even here in Australia I could see that Obama got in on the racially prejudiced vote and the mis-informed.

Sadly, elections here work the same way.
---Haz27 on 10/25/11


The apostle Paul never bad-mouthed Emperor Nero, but rather urged people to pray for him. But apparently he gave Christians of later centuries, like us, permission to bad-mouth their leaders. That's how I understand it from these blogs. :)
---God.is.everywhere on 10/25/11


politics makes people say the darnest things.
---shira4368 on 10/25/11


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lololololololol Ok, Jed . . . I don't watch TV. But what he actually said and how he said it could make the difference between inciting and encouraging them that they have the right to assemble and demonstrate, or whatever.
---Bill_willa6989 on 10/25/11

Well perhaps you should look it up and see for yourself before suggesting otherwise. If you had actually seen the footage or heard his speech, you would hear him show clear support for the protestors, without question.

As far as the origional intent of the first amendment, I do not believe that the freedom of speech and assembly was intended to be used to destroy capitalism, the republic, or the American way of life.
---Jed on 10/25/11


Back to my statement about all politics (Jed, I hope my other post got through, but with some of these moderators, I'm not sure it will).

Congress (which is 55% republican) has a 12.8% approval rate. Bohner's rating is 34% (btw, Obama's average rating is 44% as of Monday)

The simple fact is, Americans don't like ANY of the people running this country.

And BTW, John, if the election was held today, Obama would beat Bachmann by 14 points, and he would beat all the current republican frontrunners..
---NurseRobert on 10/25/11


John, Bachman cant open her mouth unless its to change feet. She isn't going to be in the running.
---NurseRobert on 10/25/11

Any conservative candidate could run circles around Obama.
---Jed on 10/25/11


John, Bachman cant open her mouth unless its to change feet. She isn't going to be in the running.
---NurseRobert on 10/25/11

Oh yes! I sense the fear and trembling of the Left. Doing all you can to discredit her. BUT YOU WILL FAIL!

Nurse you should be practicing how to spell and say...

P-R-E-S-I-D-E-N-T B-A-C-H-M--A-N-N!

Your new Commander and Chief Exec!

:)~
---John on 10/25/11


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lololololololol Ok, Jed . . . I don't watch TV. But what he actually said and how he said it could make the difference between inciting and encouraging them that they have the right to assemble and demonstrate, or whatever.

They have the right, according to how now the Constitution is interpreted, but maybe not according to the originally intended purpose and therefore the rightful interpretation.

"Do not curse the rich, even in your bedroom,
For a bird of the air may carry your voice,
And a bird in flight may tell the matter." (in Proverbs 10:20)

If they catch criticism, this can keep some amount of criticism and attention away from the President, maybe.
---Bill_willa6989 on 10/25/11


NureseRobert,

So Ford, Carter, Reagan, Clinton, and Obama are all about the same approval rating, within one or two points, which can change depending on the poll. Some polls actually have Obama closer to 36%. So basically out of the 44 presidents, only 4 were disliked more than Obama. I did not say he has the lowest approval rating, but one of the lowest approval ratings, even if you consider him to be 9th from the bottom rather than 5th. A rating of 36%-38% proves that the majority of Americans do not support his agenda. And no, I don't support pro-life advocates marching on the front lawns of doctors homes, when did this happen?. And there were no legit reports of racial slurs at tea parties.
---Jed on 10/25/11


..one of the lowest in any president's history -Jed on 10/25/11

Well, lets see, last 8 presidents, at their lowest:

Nixon - 24% (8/2/74)
Ford - 37% (3/28/75)
Carter - 28% (6/29/79)
Reagan - 35% (1/28/83)
Bush I - 29% (7/31/92)
Clinton - 37% (5/26/93)
Bush II - 25% (10/31/08)
Obama - 38% (10/17/11)

Jed, which one is he lower than? And you dont think Tea Partiers were shouting racial epitaths? You need to spend a little bit more time looking. Also, did you feel the same about the anti abortion crowd standing in front of doctors houses threatening and harassing them?

John, Bachman cant open her mouth unless its to change feet. She isn't going to be in the running.
---NurseRobert on 10/25/11


And of those 38%, a portion couldn't care less about politics and still support him simply because of his race.
So only a remaining very tiny portion actually agree with his socialistic and marxist ideas.
---Jed on 10/25/11

Amen.
I pray that it goes to 0% for poser.
---Trav on 10/25/11


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pat robertson - these 'clowns' are ANTI AMERICAN... who attack the rich successful, who use jets for business...
we have to build an economy & the people who are making jobs don't need to be vilified by the president

people making job? robertson does not want to talk about the evils of greed, wall st/bank bailout & still there are layoffs.

socilism? hey pat you ask for money to get rich & what's worst is you are using god for your own personal financial gain & that's socialism TOO.
---mike on 10/25/11


President Bachmann will repeal ALL of Obama's Marxist policies.

The only true conservative running.
---John on 10/25/11


The overwhelming majority of Americans are frustrated with the president, and are oppose the protestors and their socialist ideals
---Jed on 10/24/11

Jed, I disagree. -NurseRobert 10/24/2011

Obama's current approval rating is around 38%, one of the lowest in any president's history, and it continues to decline every day. And of those 38%, a portion couldn't care less about politics and still support him simply because of his race. And another portion are simply misinformed by the liberal media's lies about what he says, does, and believes, so they have no idea his goal is to destroy captialism and the Western way of life. So only a remaining very tiny portion actually agree with his socialistic and marxist ideas.
---Jed on 10/25/11


The deadbeats who are on wall street are sick sick sick. Didn't barney frank put pressure on the banks to lend money to people who did not have the means to pay back a mortgage? It isn't all the bank...look further up the ladder. Of course the politicians squirmed out like they always do and leave someone else holding the bag. Oh well, I am poor by standards of today but I managed to pay off my home and vehicle. I just didn't buy something I knew I couldn't pay for, neither did the government bail me out.
---shira4368 on 10/25/11


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\\They didn't complain about not having money and not being able to pay back their loans while typing on $5,500 macbooks and iphones.\\

It is ironic, as more than one has observed, that the OWS protesters rage against corporations on the products they produce.

Do you remember the comic strip Lil' Abner by Al Capp? He had a student protest organization called SWINE--Students Wildly Indignant About Nearly Everything.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/25/11


Trish, I never said the protestors didn't have a constitutional right to protest. They do, and though I do not agree with their message of hatred and free-loading, I will however, defend to the death their right to free speech and assembly. You also need to recognize though that free speech and assembly does not give you the right to public nudity, gather in front of people's homes and threaten and harrass them, obstruct traffic and businesses, and camp out in tents trafficking drugs. And thier message has nothing to do with social justice. It has everything to do with hatred and free-loading. The actual meaning of the term justice is getting what you deserve, hardly the message you hear from them.
---Jed on 10/25/11


Hey Jed: Have you ever heard of the Bill of Rights. You know, that document that gives you freedom of religion? Well, the same amendment that gives you the freedom of religion, gives the Occupy Wall Streeters freedom of speech. That same amendment gives them the right to assemble.

I thought you said you were a social worker. I learned about social justice when I went to graduate school.
---Trish9863 on 10/24/11


Tell me, why is it when the tea partiers protested that was fine, but when the OWStreeters protest its a bad thing? -NurseRobert 10/24/11

Big difference between the tea partiers and the protestors. The tea partiers were peaceful and didn't shout racist, anti-semetic names at those passing by. They didn't gather in front of individuals houses and threaten them in their own front yard. They din't obstruct traffic and businesses. They didn't complain about not having money and not being able to pay back their loans while typing on $5,500 macbooks and iphones. They didn't camp out in the streets for days without bathing. They had a coherant message to restore the Constitution, not a message of hate for people that have things you don't.
---Jed on 10/24/11


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The overwhelming majority of Americans are frustrated with the president, and are oppose the protestors and their socialist ideals
---Jed on 10/24/11

Jed, I disagree.. People are are fed up with ALL politicians. Tell me, why is it when the tea partiers protested that was fine, but when the OWStreeters protest its a bad thing?

And with your "its a lie" line, you are sounding just like Rocky. You two planning on hijacking this thread too?
---NurseRobert on 10/24/11


If Pat is accusing the president of secretly promoting the thing, "By the mouth of two or three witnesses every word shall be established." (in 2 Corinthians 13:1) Who are his legal witnesses? Has he honored our Apostle Paul's requirement, by providing two or three eye witnesses?
---Bill_willa6989

He has not secretly encouraged or supported the occupy wallstreet protestors, he has done this PUBLICLY on national television. There were not two or three witnessness, but millions. He stated that the protestors accurately demonstrate the frustration of the American people, which is a lie. The overwhelming majority of Americans are frustrated with the president, and are oppose the protestors and their socialist ideals
---Jed on 10/24/11


Obama also said that the protestors have started a revolution he hopes to see continue for years to come. In addition to showing public support for the protestors, he has also encouraged them indirectly by fueling and igniting their hatred for conservatives, capitalism, American principles, and the American way of life as we have known it for centuries.
---Jed on 10/24/11


yeah. Obama has been pushing for the successful people to support the unsuccessful people. yes 1% of the people do own a lot of the wealth in this country but that is the nature of a free market. In the USSR it was even more of a difference because the government owned everything.
---Scott1 on 10/24/11


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Obama probably doesn't mind the movelemt, afer all they are largely leftists like the president. Beyond that, I can't see anything more.

I don't really like them, but I guess they have some greivances.....
---Peter on 10/24/11


Well spoken Cluny. I agree with every word.

Anyway it's just over a year until Bachmann becomes President.
---John on 10/24/11


Pat Robertson agreed with Jerry Falwell that the liberals, feminists, etc. were to blame for 9/11. He wanted do assassinate Venuzuelan president Hugo Chavez. He wanted to nuke Foggy Bottom (i.e. State Department headquarters). And now he says Alzheimer's is grounds for divorce.

I used to like and respect Pat Robertson, but unfortunately I have been unable to take anything he has said in the past decade seriously.
---StrongAxe on 10/24/11


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