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There are people who reject the Bible the TRUE, ACCURATE, and COMPLETE Word of God. They reject that CHRIST is GOD manifested in the FLESH. Yet, these very people claim they are CHRISTIANS. What are your thoughts?

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Even though they might claim to be Christians they are not. You have to believe 100% of the bible or you do not accept God for his word. Which Christ is the word of God in the flesh. If you do not accept Christ then you are not a Christian. The true definition of the word Chrsitian is deciple of Christ.
---Ken on 10/30/11


MarV 10/28
you have not shown one passage that is in err
See my two posts on 10/27 and 10/28 responding to Trav's on 10/27
Again you apparently equate the term Word of God with Bible, but when I ask you about that you won't answer simple questions. Why not? What are you afraid of? Why are you taking me to task for not providing information when you haven't provided answers to specific questions I asked earlier on this thread?
You do have faith in the Mormons, and advice others to the teachings of Hinduism. Now there is where your faith is in.
More lies like before. Pathetic, unchristian behavior. Thou shalt not bear false witness.
---Rocky on 10/29/11


Mark V: 'and continue to say the Bible is inerrant'

Mark, you should look at a dictionary before you post things. From my home dictionary (Oxford, I find the same definition online) inerrant: incapable of erring.

So you complain Rocky claims the Bible has no errors?

No, you just don't know enough English
---Peter on 10/29/11


\\Jesus Christ believed in the 6-day Creation and the universal flood of Noah.\\

Try again, jerry.

While Jesus believed there was A flood at the time of Noah, it does not follow that the available NT data indicate that He necessarily believed in a UNIVERSAL flood.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/29/11


Mark V: One obvious "error" in scripture is in Josh 10 where it says the sun stood still for one day!
That's when they thought that the sun rotated around the earth.
If the earth suddenly stopped rotating ,at present 1,000 miles per hr., there would be no life left on earth!
Besides , where is the book of Jashar???
---1st_cliff on 10/29/11




really this is a no-issue
1 the bible confirms that the Spirit gave us the bible
2 the bible confirms that it is godgiven (therefore cannot be in error)
3 we are not talking about the different translators of which all translators accept their work still needs improvement.
All Christians agree about the canon of faith
5 non who ever read the apocrypha has ever accepted it as canon. you have fallen in the trap of rocky trying to show a proof, the only proof is the bible, so whoever doesnt accept the word as inerrant can not accept the proof. "Abraham said they have the law and the prophets, if they not listen to them, even if a angel from heaven comes down, they will not believe (from lazarus and the rich man)
---andy3996 on 10/30/11


//There are people who reject the Bible the TRUE, ACCURATE, and COMPLETE Word of God. They reject that CHRIST is GOD manifested in the FLESH. Yet, these very people claim they are CHRISTIANS. What are your thoughts

When a prominent minister was asked if he thought someone was a Christian, he replied that the only one he could be sure of being a Christian was himself.

It is a good idea to simply believe one is in Christ in accordance to his testimony, but he may not have all the correct theology.

The wheat and tares grown together and they all look so very similar.

Adventists will quickly tell you that even if you are saved by grace you are going to hell if you worship God on the wrong day of the week. Go fiugue!
---lee1538 on 10/30/11


Mr. Way: "the earth might have been 10 or 20 times smaller"

Do you have any idea how scientifically ludicrous that sounds?
---jerry6593 on 10/28/11
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haha finally found that poster had to sift through THE ROCKEY SHOW to find it (Rocky has some 25++ posts on this topic alone!!!!) maybe he's a MODERATOR ,)

all hail Rocky ...maybe Rocky's here to recruit with mini-sermons???

amazing people will believe ANYTHING including earth is NOW 10 times bigger than it "used to be" ...are these bigger-earth-quacks one in the same with the flat-earth-theory people - you know there are still some very sad people who insist the earth is flat!!!
---Rhonda on 10/29/11


There are people who reject the Bible the TRUE, ACCURATE, and COMPLETE Word of God. They reject that CHRIST is GOD manifested in the FLESH. Yet, these very people claim they are CHRISTIANS. What are your thoughts?
---Rob on 10/24/11

Matthew 7:20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
Matthew 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven, but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Matthew 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Matthew 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity
---francis on 10/28/11


Rocky, since you mentioned my name again, and continue to say the Bible is inerrant, to this day you have not shown one passage that is in err, one context of a passage that is in err, one sentence where the writer of Scritpure was in err when he wrote what he did. Not one. You want to confuse the issue by submitting that there is many kinds of visions of the Bible and that because of that they are in err. But they might be explained differently but they are not in err.
The inspired Word of God is not in err. You are in err. You have not faith in the Word. The faith of someone is determined by what they support. You do have faith in the Mormons, and advice others to the teachings of Hinduism. Now there is where your faith is in.
---Mark_V. on 10/28/11




Rocky: "First, I believe that we should not accept that any word comes from God until it has been proven so. The burden of proof is on those maintaining its truth, not those challenging it."

Bunk!

Isa 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

2Ti 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

Jesus Christ believed in the 6-day Creation and the universal flood of Noah. I think He's a better athority than you. The burden is on YOU to prove that Jesus and the scriptures are lying!
---jerry6593 on 10/29/11


Some may be comfortable with the new fandangled versions of the so-called "bibles" on the market today, but I am not, because in them are written too many deviations from the true words. And if a person never compares a copy of the original Hebrew and Greek scriptures with their new English version, then how will they know that their English version is inaccurate, or worse yet, incorrect?
---Eloy on 10/29/11


\\Protestants have quite a few different versions of the Bible. Further Roman Catholics, Russian Orthodox, Syriac Orthodox, and Ethiopian Orthodox each have versions of the Bible with different books. Are they all inerrant?\\

No.

Only the Orthodox version is inerrant.

To answer the question about the TR versus the Alexandrian text of the NT--

The actually differences are few, even if significant. The TR is the text that the Greek-speaking Churches--that is, the Orthodox ones--have preserved and accept.

The only English versions of the NT based directly on the TR are the KJV and NKJV.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/28/11


Does removing, let's say, Matthew or Isaiah make any other books of the Bible less accurate or inerrant?
Do any of the books give complete information about any one individual or group?
exhaustive?..no
grammatical errors?..maybe
inerrant?..yes
---micha9344 on 10/28/11


What is your position on some of the differences between the Textus Receptus and And Nestle-Aland Greek ...---Rocky on 10/28/11

Kist principle for me. Kept It Simple Trav. (yes i know, i like mine better,ha)
As you point out all are touched by men. So simpliest search is the most researched,K.J.. Scanned other versions and find/know that K.J....being connected to concordances,heb/grk answered with multiple witnesses almost all my life concerning questions. Mine. Perhaps not yours.
From there it is additional info as aquired.
For instance, this first three day theory of urs, in Genesis...is a "shelved to find truth/witness" about it as can/time.
Noah's Flood, found thousands of witnesses doc'd enough for me.
---Trav on 10/28/11


--Trav 10/27 (2/2)
Let me repost my question to Mark (not answered) which raise the issue of inerrancy and point to some specifics:
Protestants have quite a few different versions of the Bible. Further Roman Catholics, Russian Orthodox, Syriac Orthodox, and Ethiopian Orthodox each have versions of the Bible with different books. Are they all inerrant?
How did Christians have one inerrant Bible for 1000 years then drop out 12 books and still have an inerrant Bible? Was the first or second one in error?
What is your position on some of the differences between the Textus Receptus and And Nestle-Aland Greek Texts of the Bible, including the Pericope Adulterae, the Comma Johanneum, and the longer ending in Mark 16?
---Rocky on 10/28/11


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You've yet to post or prove the errant parts, are errant that bug you so. You presume your logic and personality carry all the weight?
--Trav 10/27/11
First, I believe that we should not accept that any word comes from God until it has been proven so. The burden of proof is on those maintaining its truth, not those challenging it.
Second, I have asked repeated questions of those apparently espousing Bible inerrancy, including MarkV, Rob, Jim and others, and almost without exception they choose not to answer. They choose not to defend that, their own belief.
Third, I have posted before some of my issues and summarized them for you in two other posts since you requested.
---Rocky on 10/28/11


Oh course he knows. He told us he sent the Spirit for guidance. He never said he was sending a book called the Bible.
... I also questioned if the flood at the time of Noah should be considered literally.
(continued)
---Rocky on 10/27/11

You made me look....
Gen 5:1
This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him,
Concordance "book" pretty interesting. You made me look at it from your point of questioning. I still agree that men touched it. But, they can't prevent the spirit/proof if we ask,seek.

Flood? I'm convinced of it. On an "Erets" scale of country or area of land, very large. But, not Global.
---Trav on 10/28/11


Rocky...why don't you tell us which parts of the Bible are not true.
---JIM on 10/28/11


Rocky// That is pretty weak\\

What i see that is weak is your faith. Your lack of faith that God orchestrated the putting together of the Bible the way He did is evident. All scripture is inspired by God, not some of it. Rocky...ask the Lord for more faith. He will give it to you.
---JIM on 10/28/11


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--Trav 10/27
But, sir do ya think that GOD above did not realize what you're saying?
Oh course he knows. He told us he sent the Spirit for guidance. He never said he was sending a book called the Bible.
You've yet to post or prove the errant parts
I have commented on them. I said I don't know if the Genesis creation story is meant to be taken literally or not. As you recall, I also questioned if the flood at the time of Noah should be considered literally.
(continued)
---Rocky on 10/27/11


Mr. Way: "the earth might have been 10 or 20 times smaller"

Do you have any idea how scientifically ludicrous that sounds?
---jerry6593 on 10/28/11


What is becoming clear to me
... I should think Christians would want to know a little more about such an important book that is directing their lives.

.... helps explain why there can be so much doctrinal dispute on key points, such as Bible inerrancy itself.
---Rocky on 10/26/11

But, sir do ya think that GOD above did not realize what you're saying? Would a GOD U/I believe in not provide a way to be certain?

You've yet to post or prove the errant parts, are errant that bug you so. You presume your logic and personality carry all the weight?

It's ask an you recieve, seek and you find. Those that don't.....won't. And it is one step away from being that simple.
---Trav on 10/27/11


I like how fundamentalists say that Peter accepted Paul as "blessed?" and leader of the group.
Consider that Peter wrote his epistle more than 20 years after Paul "took over" plenty of time succumb to his charismatic nature!
Jesus denounced Pharisees as "offspring of the devil"
Paul's "glib tongue" won them over!
Fundamentalists say "God's word says..." then they quote Paul...Really?????
---1st_cliff on 10/27/11


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JIM 10/26/11 (2/2)
Jim, you say maybe the reason the Apostles did not write a Bible was because they were killed or executed. That is pretty weak. If an inerrant Bible were important God could have extended their life to compile it then, or at least have one say that one was coming or anything? Since instead Jesus said God was sending the Spirit and never mentioned a book, the more logical assumption is that the Bible was never blessed as inerrant.
You still have not explained why you consider it inerrant or your proof for that. Are you going to explain and answer the other questions I asked or is that it?
---Rocky on 10/27/11


I beleive the Word of God down to each letter defines Him-He said so.

Translations are difficult.

By the finger of God...Ex 13:18,Deut 9:10 he wrote them Himself, He formed them Himself.
Bereshyt 1:1
Bereshyt Elohym bara [alph Tav]

There is a reason for this, He gave each letter as witness to who He is.

Alph to Tav-beginning and end of all things.
---char on 10/27/11


Peter classed Pauls writings with Scripture and2-Pet,3 14 So then, dear friends, since you are looking forward to this, make every effort to be found spotless, blameless and at peace with him. 15 Bear in mind that our Lords patience means salvation, just as our dear brother Paul also wrote you with the wisdom that God gave him. 16 He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction. Also, Eph 2-20 Together, we are his house, built on the foundation of the apostles and the prophets. And the cornerstone is Christ Jesus himself.
---Poppa_Bear on 10/27/11


When Paul wrote that "all scripture is inspired..." he was referring to the OT,not his writings!
When Jesus sent out the evangelists (Mat 28) "go therefore and make disciples.." there was no NT!
Who has/had the authority to declare Paul's writings "inspired text?"
Consider, All scripture was written by "Semitics" with the exception of Luke,for some reason I find this "strange?" He was neither an Apostle nor Jewish.
---1st_cliff on 10/26/11


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MarkV 10/26/11 (2/3)
Nothing I say, will make any difference to you.
Nothing? Another obvious exaggeration and lie. I consider everything you say. You are just trying to deflect attention from the fact you have not and apparently cannot answer the simple questions I ask.
Look, you want to support Mormonism, Hindusim, and believe the Word of God only when it suits you
More bogus personal attacks. I am the one that has tried to focus on real issues while you instead lie, deceive, distort, and make personal attacks . You prove in this post what I have been saying all along. Why won't you answer the questions?
---Rocky on 10/26/11


JIM 10/26/11 (1/2)
Paul received the gospel by revelation from Jesus. He wrote 13 epistles maybe 14.
Such nonsense you say about they were not told to write a book.

I didnt say he was not told to write those epistles. But where was he told to compile them in a Bible? When you write "book" above are you talking about the Bible? If so please show where Paul or any other Apostle was told to write the Bible or did actually compile it.
(continued)
---Rocky on 10/26/11


Rocky....How about you tell us which parts have errors.
---JIM on 10/26/11


Rocky, give it a rest man. How many people have to tell you the same thing before you listen?
---Jed on 10/26/11


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Rocky// Where is your scripture saying that work was inerrant? Or that God even intended it to be?

***The scripture is the Holy Bible***
Paul received the gospel by revelation from Jesus. He wrote 13 epistles maybe 14.
Such nonsense you say about they were not told to write a book.
You also say//why did none of the Apostles coordinate an effort to write and compile the Bible in their lifetime if it was so important?

**maybe because they were killed or executed**
---JIM on 10/26/11


What is becoming clear to me is that many Christians who consider the Bible the center of their life actually know very little about its history - how it was copied and recopied from numerous individual manuscripts that had many differences, compiled with various books at over time, and later translated and revised. I should think Christians would want to know a little more about such an important book that is directing their lives. And it certainly bears on the issue of Bible inerrancy and helps explain why there can be so much doctrinal dispute on key points, such as Bible inerrancy itself.
---Rocky on 10/26/11


MarkV 10/26/11 (3/3)
And even though I answer, you will come out with some excuse or other then tell me I distort things.
Only when you distort things as you've shown again in THIS POST that you do. If I wrongly attack you then my wrongful attack will condemn me. But you again complain about me attacking you for distorting things and then in the very same post continue with multiple lies and distortions, proving me right. Do you really just not understand what truth is? You have only shown that you will not answer honest questions about the issues but prefer instead to hide behind lies about me, distort what I say, and make derogatory personal comments.
---Rocky on 10/26/11


MarkV 10/26/11 (1/3)
Rocky, I already answered your questions
Not the questions I asked again. That's another lie. Where for instance did you answer this questions I've asked several times:
If Bible inerrancy or infallibility, do you believe, as many Christians, that it only applies to the original autographs of manuscripts or extends to all later translations and revisions?
Likewise you lie when you say you have answered the other questions I posted above. If you have just point to where, easy enough right?
your millions of post, you have lost me.
That is an obvious exaggeration and another lie that shows youve no interest in truth but continue to distort things as I have said all along.
(continued)
---Rocky on 10/26/11


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JIM 10/26/11 (2/3)
Remember....without faith it is impossible to please God.
Why report the obvious over which there is no disagreement, as if it bolsters your case. More DECEIT.
Three parts, all full of DISTORTION AND DECEIT.
Please stop PUTTING WORDS IN MY MOUTH, and engaging in MISDIRECTION, DISTORTION, AND DECEIT as shown above. Very despicable behavior. Not Christian at all.
Why won't you participate in an honest discussion without all that garbage? It's impossible to have a reasonable discussion whenyou employ such deceitful tricks. Why try to hide the truth?
(continued)
---Rocky on 10/26/11


JIM 10/26/11 (3/3)
if All scripture is given by inspiration of God and is profitable for doctrine
The scripture given by God is the authentic manuscripts written by his Apostles and any others He chooses. But there is 2,000 years of handling by man with a multitude of copying, selection, and translation decisions made. Where is your scripture saying that work was inerrant? Or that God even intended it to be?
If God so intended, why did Jesus or none of the Apostles talk about it? Jesus promised us the Spirit to guide us but not a book. Why? And why did none of the Apostles coordinate an effort to write and compile the Bible in their lifetime if it was so important?
---Rocky on 10/26/11


Rocky...Here you say:"Nowhere in the Bible does it say you have to believe the Bible is inerrant ."

If you believed that all scripture was given by inspiration of God you would not make a silly comment like that.
---JIM on 10/26/11


CHRISTAN PLEASE RESPOND TO THIS EARLIER POST FROM EXPLAIN EPHESIANS
christan 10/24/11 (1/3)
How about you showing us Scriptures that support your very claims that your Vulgate or Protestant versions are what God tells us to read and belief in?
How about your first showing where I made that statement. I never made it. Beginning with a lie and PUTTING WORDS IN MY MOUTH is not a good way to start an honest post.
But prey tell, when you wrote "The Bible is also known as the Word of God", which specific Bible were you talking about?
Is that the only Bible that's the Word of God?
Why?
Do you believe in Biblical literalism, inerrancy, or infallibility?
Why?
---Rocky on 10/26/11


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Christan, please answer some of the question I asked you earlier on the Explain Ephesians thread:
What is your explanation for why Ephesians says he gave some prophets if you say there were none after Jesus?
Where does it say God revealed everything he wanted man to know after he finished the 66 books of the Bible?
Why are we doomed if there are new prophets of God or the Bible is not everything God wanted man to know?
How did John add his Revelations warning to the end of the Bible when the Bible did not exist for another 200 years?
Do you believe Johns commandment was violated when the KJV was translated and books deleted? Which do you use?
---Rocky on 10/26/11


SOME VERSIONS of scripture may be MORE accurate about events, etc. than others. SOME SCRIBES may have been more accurate than others, and SCRIPTURE may not be AS ACCURATE as a history text (such as the writings of Josephus,...who may have written according to his PERCEPTION).

Scripture is true ("TRUTH", you just have to accept...FAITH), but if you won't accept it on "FAITH", then don't bother nitpicking it about "ACCURACY" (you're simply unwilling to HAVE FAITH).

In matters of FAITH, intellectual attitudes are self-defeating (you have made your choice).

It's a waste of time to show that scripture verifies itself because if a person is simply unwilling to "HAVE FAITH", it is pointless.
---more_excellent_way on 10/26/11


This blog sounded judgmental to me while reading through. My first thought is, does this blogger have any particular person in mind? Having said that I'd say we need to present the message of the Bible in love. To be a christian definitely means believing in the Bible and Christ. Let's just be patient with people who might have things mixed up or are still avoiding facing the TRUTH. Pray for such a person and lovingly point them to the the amazing things in the Bible.
---adeba5968 on 10/26/11


The scriptures are no longer a learning tool but an idol to be worshiped!
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interesting

so you claim the WRITTEN HOLY WORD of GOD is an idol?

so Christ is an idol?

lest you forget the WORD IS Christ Jesus!

the spoken WORD of Christ is the written WORD documented by the Apostles

REJECT the Holy Word as an idol one simply rejects Christ

sadly the contradiction lies within your misunderstanding of WHO Christ IS
---Rhonda on 10/26/11


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Rocky, I already answered your questions but with your millions of post, you have lost me. And even though I answer, you will come out with some excuse or other then tell me I distort things. In fact you tell everyone that. You will believe what you want to believe. Nothing I say, will make any difference to you. Look, you want to support Mormonism, Hindusim, and believe the Word of God only when it suits you, go for it. You have my attention. I say, do what you please.
---Mark_V. on 10/26/11


JIM 10/26/11 (1/3)
Rocky...I see that you still do not have faith in God that He could orchestrate what is to be His Holy word.
That is a lie. I never said or indicated that God "could" not. There is a huge difference between "could not" and "did not". PLEASE STOP DISTORTING AND PUTTING WORDS IN MY MOUTH AND ATTACKING ME FOR YOUR WORDS,
Without the bible how would you know anything about Jesus?
Why do you ask? I never suggested we were without the Bible or that it did not give us a substantially accurate report of Jesus' life and teachings. In fact I have written that it does. More MISDIRECTION AND DISTORTION.
(continued)
---Rocky on 10/26/11


Rocky...I see that you still do not have faith in God that He could orchestrate what is to be His Holy word .
Without the bible how would you know anything about Jesus? As to who He is, and why He came. Or would you just believe what people told you?
Remember....without faith it is impossible to please God.
Rocky...if All scripture is given by inspiration of God and is profitable for doctrine, for correction and instruction for righreousness would you not think it is ALL truth instead of picking what to believe and what not to believe.
---JIM on 10/26/11


Presently, the earth rotates once every 23 hours 56 minutes. Over time, the earth has become it's present size because of earthquakes and volcanoes. When Noah gathered the animals, the earth might have been 10 or 20 times smaller. "TIME" would be DIFFERENT in the Garden of EDEN.

Even still, a "CREATION day" might be 100 years, 1,000 years, or 1 million years, scripture does not specify. There were also FAR, FAR FEWER SPECIES.

Also consider, to God, one day is as a thousand years.

The inability to understand "creation days" will not interfere with the faith of a Godlover.
---more_excellent_way on 10/26/11


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Rob carryover from Ephesians 4:11-12
--Rob 10/23/11 (1/3)
Rocky, those who are TRUE CHRISTIANS, indeed believe the BIBLE is the TRUE AND ACCURATE WORD OF GOD!!!
Nowhere in the Bible does it say you have to believe the Bible is inerrant in order to be a Christian or follower of Jesus. He Himself certainly never said a word about it among all the other commandments and guidance he gave. Many people consider themselves Christians without believing the Bible is inerrant.
What is your right to define what a Christian is? Or what authority do you call on?
How do you explain all of the books deleted from the Bible when Protestants re-translated the Bible? Was the old Bible wrong, the one used for about 1000 years?
---Rocky on 10/26/11


MarkV (1/3) Questions from Ephesians Thread, you didn't answer there and they're relevant here.
Do you believe in Biblical literalism, inerrancy, or infallibility?
Why?
If inerrancy or infallibility, do you believe, as many Christians, that it only applies to the original autographs of manuscripts or extends to all later translations and revisions?
Where is the inerrancy or whichever recorded? Who or what is it you have faith in when you say you have faith that the Bible is inerrant.
If having a written Bible is so important, why didn't the original Apostles coordinate an effort to collect their own writings and letters and compile some scriptural work?
(continued)
---Rocky on 10/26/11


MarkV (2/3) More Carryover Questions You Did Not Answer
Protestants have quite a few different versions of the Bible. Further Roman Catholics, Russian Orthodox, Syriac Orthodox, and Ethiopian Orthodox each have versions of the Bible with different books. Are they all inerrant?
How did Christians have one inerrant Bible for 1000 years then drop out 12 books and still have an inerrant Bible? Was the first or second one in error?
What is your position on some of the differences between the Textus Receptus and And Nestle-Aland Greek Texts of the Bible, including the Pericope Adulterae, the Comma Johanneum, and the longer ending in Mark 16?
(continued)
---Rocky on 10/26/11


MarkV (3/3) Even More Carryover Questions You Did Not Answer
Does God protect everyone translating of the Bible from error? The Bible has been translated into 450 languages and with over 1,000 more currently in process. Are all divinely protected from inerrancy?
Why do they keep doing new translations after comparing multiple sources, some not even available when the first Bibles were written? How does that happen if they are inerrant to start with?
---Rocky on 10/26/11


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Exo 20:11 ....Is this statement true or false? It can't be both. If it is false, and the process took millions of years rather than 6 days, then God intended to deceive us when He wrote it.
*****

REJECT Gods Holy Word ignoring GODS INSTRUCTIONS in Isa 28:10? Does John 1:1 contradict Gen 1:1 both say "In the beginning" - of course not!!

through understanding Gen 1:2 phrase "without form" properly translated as a type of desolation or ruin because earth already existed GOD was RENEWING earth in Genesis AS CONFIRMED in Psalms 104:30

Holy Scripture not a novel - GOD DOES NOT DECEIVE which is why GOD stated "here a little, and there a little" Genesis understanding spans several books
---Rhonda on 10/26/11


If it is false, and the process took millions of years rather than 6 days, then God intended to deceive us when He wrote it.
jerry6593 10/26/11
Or he spoke in allegories as a teaching method, perhaps minds of the time were incapable of understanding the full truth, just like Jesus spoke in parables so each listener could learn according to his understanding.
How smart, or not smart, were people back then? Their neighbors still attributed many natural forces, and human difficulties, to a plethora of gods. Writing was little known and there were no books. What did people talk about? No internet, IM, or iPhones. Schools? What would they have taught, or taught with?
---Rocky on 10/26/11


What happened to all those "The Bible is the Word of God" accurate and complete crowd that were repeatedly raking me over the coals on other threads for saying the Bible is not inerrant?
Why are the silent on a thread devoted specifically to that subject after being so loud on other threads and hijacking them?
Why don't they come and explain why they believe that way and answer a few questions about it?
---Rocky on 10/26/11


everywhere: "A lie is a statement meant to deceive. I don't think the Bible is attempting to deceive anyone."

God wrote with His own finger:

Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is

Is this statement true or false? It can't be both. If it is false, and the process took millions of years rather than 6 days, then God intended to deceive us when He wrote it.
---jerry6593 on 10/26/11


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How can a book (actually our bible is 66 books) put together by "committee" be accurate and complete?
Where or when did God declare our present bible "His word"?
Is the Douay version His word? Is the Syrian Orthodox bible His complete word?
What a tiny little world we live in!
The scriptures are no longer a learning tool but an idol to be worshiped!
---1st_cliff on 10/25/11


//The Church was functioning in all her fullness--if Acts 2 is to be believed--before ONE WORD of the NT was written down.//'

Israel only, the jerusalem church was ending, not functioning in it's fullness, gentiles were not included.
---michael_e on 10/25/11


ALL SCRIPTURE (however decided to be in the canon) is inspired by God. God decided to put "What is truth?" in scripture so that we could learn ("because they refused to love the truth AND SO BE SAVED"). The original manuscripts are true and accurate except for the intentional or unintentional 'mistakes' of the scribes. The word "bible" is not divinely inspired (not in scripture).

'GOD IN ENTIRETY' was revealed to humanity when the WORD OF GOD was sent to be the sacrificial lamb. The holy writings that we read are the "WORD OF TRUTH" that we are to use PROPERLY...

2 Timothy 2:15 "rightly handling the word of truth".

THE GOSPEL of salvation is named in Ephesians 1:13.
---more_excellent_way on 10/25/11


People deny God. What else is new? I now understand that God does with us His meaning of the scriptures, better than we can understand and get ourselves to do. Jesus is the "Word of God" (John 1:1-14, Revelation 19:13). Jesus is the living meaning of God's word, all that He means and desires for us, including how Jesus in us has us loving, as the real meaning of His word. This is accurate and without error. So, why decoy ourselves with whether or not words are technically correct, when we need to first deal with how to live in God's love?
---Bill_willa6989 on 10/25/11


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Rocky..I see you are one of those pick and choose people who chooses what to believe in the Bible and what to throw out as false.
Once again this stems from your faith.
Answers to your questions:
1) God does not work on your time frame.
2)Jesus never said that a book would not be put together either.
3)Once again, Gods ways are not your ways.
---JIM on 10/25/11


But I don't believe the Bible is totally accurate, either historically or scientifically. :)
---God.is.everywhere on 10/24/11

I don't either. Man touched it.
The neat thing is, it is exactly what a searcher needs to establish truth. When one finds the touched by man parts...they stand out like neon blinkers. The witnesses are still there. GOD provides for the seeker,searcher. Men can't outsmart GOD. They outsmart themselves. As I've said before what is not said.....says all at times. What is said requires a witness. Sometimes the witness is in the original language. Or in the mistranslated language. Latin word Gentile as example.
Has never been easier age to research. You would think more would. Irony?
---Trav on 10/25/11


Some relevant facts about just the NT:
1) There are over 5,600 Greek manuscripts containing all or part of the NT
2) No two manuscripts are identical, except in the smallest fragments
3) Manuscripts with NT texts differ among themselves with some estimates of 200,000 to 300,000 differences among various manuacripts
4) The earliest fragments of a NT book date only to the mid-second century
5) The oldest complete copy of the NT dates to the 4th century and includes two other books not in the current versions of the NT
6) The NT was not officially canonized until 692AD.
The source is Wikipedia, a convenient place to read more about Bible history.
---Rocky on 10/25/11


The Bible records the truth about Jesus and His message in all important parts. But its not inerrant. Those speaking on this subject should clarify if they think the bible is literal, inerrant, infallible, or other and explain why the believe this.
I believe it is mostly infallible but not inerrant. I dont think it is inerrant because:
1)The long process involved in its compilation with numerous manuscripts, translators, and others involved in the process.
2)Jesus never said he would leave us a book, much less that it would be inerrant. Instead that he would leave us the Spirit.
3)Clearly if an inerrant Bible were needed, He or the Apostles not only would have said something but accelerated the process to compile one.
---Rocky on 10/25/11


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\\even worship and adore them\\

Rhonda, how many people do you actually know who really do that?

Or are you just saying this as another excuse to vent your spite?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/25/11


The O.T. is NOT the 'basis' for our salvation, "Christ and Him crucified" is. Jesus is the ETERNAL sin sacrifice AND the giver of The Father's spirit (John 7:39).

The "Day of Atonement" was for "purification of the flesh", but gifts and offerings "cannot perfect the conscience of the worshiper" (Hebrews 9:9,...Jesus is the "doctrine of Christ" COMMANDMENT SIN offering/sacrifice). On the cross, Jesus only purified THE FLESH, but if we learn from the Spirit He left us, our conscience will be clear every day (FULL salvation) because we have learned to always 'do the right thing'.

We have to understand what was said to ancient uncivilized pagan societies and what is relevant to us.
---more_excellent_way on 10/25/11


The Bible records the truth, but for various reasons people do not accept it: 1) Peoples understanding and comprehension are immature. Ex: My earthly father, when he was a child, thought that the value of a nickel was worth more than the value of a dime just because the size of the nickel was larger. 2) cross-over translating from one language, namely, Hebrew or Greek, into another language, namely, English, can create inacurrate or imprecise translations of words. 3) One word has many different definitions, and the correct definition must be applied according to the scripture's context of use in the passage. 4) The Scriptures are inspired or spoken by God, and therefore the reader must also be in-spirited in order to perceive the words rightly.
---Eloy on 10/25/11


A cookbook is a marvellous guide to baking a cake, but useless to play football from.

Would you call a cookbook full of lies because it would not help you play football?
*****

EXACTLY

which is why many who live in their counterfeit christianity serve their lying false ministers - even worship and adore them YET have no understanding of BASIC topics in Holy Scripture ...simply because the collection of books called Holy Scripture is useless in their man-made doctrines ABOUT "a christ" 2Corin 4:11

only those who follow EVERY Word of GOD would find the information in Holy Scripture useful and I guess "understand" how to play football and bake a cake GODS WAY
---Rhonda on 10/25/11


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Jerry, calm down old boy! A lie is a statement meant to deceive. I don't think the Bible is attempting to deceive anyone. Lies and inaccuracies are two different things. God bless you. :)
---God.is.everywhere on 10/25/11


Because they like a "god" who is not completely defined. This allows the "god" to change to fit the individual or when it suits their needs. "Did God really say..."
---Scott1 on 10/25/11


\\everywhere: "But I don't believe the Bible is totally accurate, either historically or scientifically."

Then you must believe that the Bible is part lies. Which parts do you believe are lies?
---jerry6593 on 10/25/11\\

Non sequitur.

A cookbook is a marvellous guide to baking a cake, but useless to play football from.

Would you call a cookbook full of lies because it would not help you play football?

In the same way, the Bible is useless and inaccurate when you use it for purposes for which it was not intended.

For example, you use it to force us into your neo-Karaite Judaism that you may glory in our flesh.

Glory to Jesus Christ.
---Cluny on 10/25/11


Identify the people and fully explain (or is it your harsh/judgemental opinion of them?).

To BE "JUDGEMENTAL" means to judge harshly.

You will never know the REAL truth about the "Prince of PEACE" until you stop being harsh with your fellow human being.

(it's not possible for someone to call themselves "Christian" and deny Jesus as GOD).

I know that the true name of Jesus devotion is called "THE WAY" (look it up in Acts), but I am not "JUDGEMENTAL" about anyone wanting to be called "Christian" (NEITHER IS GOD "JUDGEMENTAL", I DISCERN "truth", not "judge" PEOPLE)...knowing the REAL truth requires having a peaceful heart.
---more_excellent_way on 10/24/11


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They are deceived!
---Leon on 10/24/11


They are under the great delusion, for one is not Christian and antiChrist also. Many false religions and false ways believe in Christ, but they do not give the honor due to him as God Almighty, but instead they dis him and relegate him to some status and position lower than Almighty God. Some call him a prophet, some call him the son of David, but he is proven to be the Everlasting Lord God Almighty, raised from the dead, and is high and lifted up, and he holds the keys to hell and death, and will judge every soul according their works.
---Eloy on 10/25/11


It depends on what word you are speaking of, since many books identified in the KJV are missing from it's contents. You have a book that is cut from I believe the second or third chapter then Continued in the Apocrypha?

Book of Enos, Jasher ect
We are told some books did not follow a specific pattern, but untill you understand that christianity is so diverse in it's doctrine and adaptation of man made myths,traditions and isms Not listed in the manuscripts close to the Greek or Hebrew interpretations, the rest is by the wayside.

Gods word is found through reading line up on line precept upon precept every book that was written according to his promise and that is not any easy task to find or do.
---Carla on 10/25/11


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