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How can we know if a Church teaching is the truth, or is from the Anti-Christ?

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Now lets face facts. NO ONE was ever Holy but God. Not even Adam & Eve. And no ELECT??? was ever Holy before His New Birth either.

AND EVERY SINGLE PERSON God accepts into the Family WILL BE CHASTENED. Why, because no one, no matter how "elect" one believes himself to be, IS HOLY.

We "by faith" become partakers of HIS HOLINESS....THROUGH HIS PROMISE"S" plural 2nd Peter 1.

So I would encourage all smug TULIP SNIFFERS to really understand WHAT we have been predestined to become...THAT IS--ANS:"being Conformed to His Image".
---kathr4453 on 11/6/11


It is as the Moderstor has said, the church has turned apostate: and left their first love, and have hewn themselves out cisterns, broken wells that can hold no water. They started by replacing the Holy Bible with Unholy Bibles, subverting God's words for man's, replacing truth for lie. They serve a god of money, and sensual feel-good words and entertainments which saves no one. When a church does this, Christ is no longer honored in his house, but it is turned into the synagogues of satan, a hold for every foul demon and sin known to man.
---Eloy on 11/6/11


Lee, "for by grace ye are having been saved, through faith, and this not of you-of God the gift, not of works, that no one may boast" is a word for word translation of the Greek, following Greek grammar, or word order. Therefore it may convey a different meaning than when translated into English Grammar, which reads "For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing, it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast." ESV.
---Warwick on 11/6/11


A principle of interpretation is that scripture must be interpreted with scripture otherwise you will have contraditions.
---lee1538 on 11/5/11

(Matthew 21:32)
For John came to you to show you the way of righteousness, and you did not believe him, but the tax collectors and the prostitutes did. And even after you saw this, you did not repent and believe him.


Lee
True enough, is there anyone better to confirm a teaching than Jesus Christ?
John taught the way of righteousness was through repentance.
Can one repent if they do not keep the Law?
How can you turn from sin and not keep the Law, when sin is the transgression of the Law? (1John 3,4)KJV
---David on 11/6/11


Kathr4453//for by grace ye are having been saved, through faith, and this not of you-of God the gift, not of works, that no one may boast,leej

Sounds like a poorly gramatically structured sentence..ye are having been saved? What's that?
-----
The verse is from a literal word for word Greek to English version (Youngs Literal Translation of the Greek)

Salvation is a present possession as well as a future possession. (real your TULIP)

1Jo 5:13 I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God that you may know that you have eternal life. (present tense)

---lee1538 on 11/5/11




David, All three of you say,

"
"Abraham's Faith was credited as righteousness."


and then ask why does God credit Abraham? The only righteousness that saves anyone is the righteousness of Christ. God accounted Abraham's faith with righteousness. Or have all of you forgotten that Jesus Christ is God and He imputes His righteousness on all who have receive faith. Not by works of their own, the faith is from God.
"But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness" Rom. 4:5.
Because you do not put your faith in God, you try to understand scripture with your own wisdom and most of you fail every time.
---Mark_V. on 11/5/11


David, the passage in Rom. 2:13 is true if you are under the law, not in Christ. "for the doer's of the law are just in the sight of God" if they could keep the law. But they broke the law.
Paul goes on to say them Rom. 2:17 "Indeed you are called a Jew, and rest on the law, and make your boast in God, and know His will, and approve the things that are excellent, being instructed out of the law, and are confidenet that you yourselfs are a guide to the blind, a light to those who are in darkness, an instructor of the floolish, a teacher of babes... You, therefore who teach another, do you not teach yourself?"
Paul accuse them of been teachers of the law yet broke the law themselves.
---Mark_V. on 11/5/11


//Funny LeeJ, your own WCF encourages keeping the Law after one is saved.
---
In a sense you are correct!

Section XIX, 6-7 Although true believers be not under law, as a covenant of works, to be thereby justified, or condemned, yet is it of great use to them, as well as to others, in that, as a rule of life informing them of the will of God and their duty, it directs and binds them to walk accordingly, discovering also the sinful pollutions of their nature, hearts, and lives, so as examining themselves thereby, they may come to further conviction of, humiliation for, and hatred against sin, together with a clearer sign of the need they have of Christ and the perfection of his obedience.

Howbeit not all laws are applicable.
---lee1538 on 11/5/11


David //Can someone who doesn't keep the Law be saved?
(Romans 2:13)
"It is not those who hear the law who are righteous in Gods sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous."
---
I believe one must consider the context of Romans 2:13.
One is justifed by the law depending upon complete obedience to all the law.

Gal. 5:4 You are severed from Christ, you who would be justified by the law, you have fallen away from grace.

A principle of interpretation is that scripture must be interpreted with scripture otherwise you will have contraditions.
---lee1538 on 11/5/11


Funny LeeJ, your own WCF encourages keeping the Law after one is saved.
---kathr4453 on 11/4/11

Can someone who doesn't keep the Law be saved?
(Romans 2:13)
"It is not those who hear the law who are righteous in Gods sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous."
---David on 11/5/11




Faith in the Son.
Ben in Hebrew is the word for son. Origninal pictographs are two letters.First letter bet - means tent or house- where family resides.
Second letter- nun-pictorgraph-The seed-grows and produces a new generation of life-"to continue the house".
The Son continues the lineage of the family.

Jn14:2In my Father's house are many mansions: if [it were] not [so], I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
Hebrew:
banah-"to build"
even- "stone"

HIS WORD-from WITHIN HIM-bereshyt.
1Jn1:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him, for we shall see him as he is.
---char on 11/4/11


I think we need to be careful calling anyone anti-Christ because they believe in thithing or don't believe in it.

Anti-christ is clearly stated as one who denies Christ came in the Flesh.

Nothing about tithing.

Funny LeeJ, your own WCF encourages keeping the Law after one is saved.
---kathr4453 on 11/4/11


And the Word was God.
Jn1:1
Abraham's Faith was credited as righteousness-He knew the Word of God as God-An intimate relationship.
1Jn2:3
And by this we may be sure that we have an intimate relationship with him, if we preserve his directions.

Gods' instructions are accurate-If you follow them you end up Within Him.
Revere-yarah
One meaning-but-two applications. Yara means "flow out of the gut"
.
Torah derives from
Yarah and means teaching.

What flows out of the gut of Yahweh?
His teachings and character.

Prv9:10
The flowings[yirah-torah] and character[ru'ahh] is the beginning of wisdom[Hhakhmar[distinguish between good and bad] with the special one [Qadosh] is understanding.
---char on 11/4/11


//How can we know if a Church teaching is the truth, or is from the Anti-Christ?

Usually those churches that teach the Old Testament tithing are the ones that distort the truth of the Bible. They are really money-faced and refuse to trust the Lord for the ministry they are engaged in.

Are they really anti-Christ? Not always but they distort the gospel for their own glorification.

Php. 1:15f Some indeed preach Christ even of envy and strife, and some also of good will: The one preach Christ of contention, not sincerely, supposing to add affliction to my bonds: But the other of love, knowing that I am set for the defence of the gospel.
---lee1538 on 11/4/11


God knows the false word is out here and can lead to death-the whole point of the death and resurrection- one Can repent when they see-- The Truth.

Heb 13:11Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

you need to know WHO Christ is-
Y'sha-Jesus Christ.
From beginning to end---The Same.

And the Word was God...

Jn1:1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

That does not change.
You either believe it or not

Matt9:13 But go ye and learn what [that] meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for [I am] not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

Death and Resurrection-repentance unto remission
---char on 11/4/11


What is Faith?
In the story of Abraham, God commanded Abraham to sacrifice Isaac.
Abraham did as God commanded, but why?
Was it obedience?
Yes, but did that obedience come out of fear, or out of Trust?
Abraham did what God commanded him to do, because he trusted God, believed in the promise that God made to him concerning the future of Isaac.(Hebrews 11:17-19)

Do you believe Jesus is the Way to Heaven?
If you do, you must trust in his word, and do what the word commands you to do.
"Obedience out of fear equals works, obedience out of trust equals Faith", and that obedience which comes out of Trust is the Faith which God credits as righteousness.
---David on 11/3/11


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David, faith is a gift but not everyone, probably a very small minority exercise that faith.
---Warwick on 11/1/11

True enough Warwick.
I think this is because the majority of folks don't really understand what Faith is.
Their doctrines have turned an act into a thought. If they conceded Faith was an act and not a thought, they would have to abandon their doctrines and start all over again.

I believe they misunderstand the word "Free", as in Gifts, because of some of the things Paul wrote.
The gift of the Holy Spirit is also free, but we are required to do something to receive that gift as stated in (Acts 2:38), that requirement which is an act of Faith that brings us into the favor of God.
---David on 11/2/11


for by grace ye are having been saved, through faith, and this not of you-of God the gift, not of works, that no one may boast,leej


Sounds like a poorly gramatically structured sentence..ye are having been saved? What's that?

Jesus Christ death on a cross was GOD's Gift..

For GOD so loved the World HE GAVE....AND, wow and what a gift of GIVING that was.

Without FAITH it is impossible to please God...


So without MONEY BOYS it is impossible to please ME.. Lots of money boys....

OH but Boys, here, let me give the Boys I LIKE MY MONEY so YOU can please me. Here come and spend ALL MY MONEY ON ME!!!

Makes sense Right?
---kathr4453 on 11/2/11


Ephesians 2:8 reads "For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith--and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God." The gift from God is faith. There is no doubt that God the Son gave Himself to die upon the cross, however I believe this Scripture speaks of the faith that is given to every man. Whether we exercise it or not is our choice. As I see it when you take into account the difference in Greek and English Grammar the 'literal' Greek means the same as the English.


See Gill's Exposition of the Entire Bible which says "and this faith is not the produce of man's free will and power, but it is the free gift of God, and therefore salvation through it is consistent with salvation by grace,"
---Warwick on 11/2/11


Why would God credit Abraham for something God did?
---David on 11/1/11

Exactly, and if God already chose those He saved, there would be no need for faith at all. UNLESS you believe you are saved BY FAITH through Grace. And although these guys deny this is what tehy are saying...THIS IS exactly what they are saying.
---kathr4453 on 11/1/11


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One red flag we need to heed is when a pastor or church spends much of its time in criticizing other denominations, in doing so they focus on others and not themselves.

If all others are wrong, then only we can be right is the underlying assumption.
---lee1538 on 10/26/11


What about those here on line that obsess over criticizing others personal intimate faith in Jesus Christ? Doesn't the same principle apply?

Let's MOVE ON to Maturity not laying over and over and over again and again the elementary princilpes of salvation. BECAUSE if that's all you have, that's all you will ever have if you continue to stay in baby mode.

GROW UP into the Grace and Knowledge of Jesus Christ.
---kathr4453 on 11/1/11


If you examine literal English from the Greek New Testament it would say the following:

for by grace ye are having been saved, through faith, and this not of you-of God the gift, not of works, that no one may boast,

So you are correct, God is the gift.

On the other hand -

Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
---lee1538 on 11/1/11


David, faith is a gift but not everyone, probably a very small minority exercise that faith. Faith is not a static thing but something the believer uses. Abraham is definitely one who exercised his God given faith.
---Warwick on 11/1/11


"Abraham's Faith was credited as righteousness."
Why would God credit Abraham for something God did?
---David on 11/1/11

Most excellent point!
---Nana on 11/1/11


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Mark, this is all I will post and Im done with the matter. If you dont believe now, then your argument is with God

2 Peter 2:20-22

For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning. For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them. But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again, and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.
---CraigA on 11/1/11


The passage reads.
"For by grace you have been saved through faith, and not of yourselves, it is a gift of God, (grace faith is a gift of God) Not of works, (that grace and faith was not by your own works) lest anyone should boast" .---Mark_V. on 10/31/11

Mark
I can see how someone could read the passage the way in which you do, but you forget, "Abraham's Faith was credited as righteousness."
Why would God credit Abraham for something God did?
---David on 11/1/11


Chapter by Chapter-verse by verse

Rev 2:8-11 vs 8 know thy works: behold, I have set before thee an open door, and no man can shut it: for thou hast a little strength, and hast kept my word, and hast not denied my name. vs 9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and [I know] the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but [are] the synagogue of Satan.
Rev 3:7-13
vs 9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie, behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.
---char on 11/1/11


Truth is, Grace comes by Jesus Christ,
Salvation again comes by and through Jesus Christ, stated many times in scripture, but these guys hang on a verse THEY can manipulate to also say Faith too comes by and through Jesus Christ.

The PROBLEM IS, all TRUTHS come in THREE's, and they will NEVER find two more to PROVE their mis-interpretation. That's WHY God put truths in Threes, SO THAT WE DON'T

But it is to THEIR OWN destruction they willingly allow themselves to be deceived.

If faith were actualy a Gift, there would be no need to write Galatians, or Hebrews.

Falling from Grace is falling from FAITH IN CHRIST.

Galatians 3:12
And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.
---kathr4453 on 11/1/11


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Craig, I didn't expect anything less from you. You read the Word, but you reject it's truth. You say you have free will, but even with your free will, you are unable to understand God's Word. You don't understand that Grace, Faith, repentance, or gifts of God? Here is proof,

"For who sees anything different in you? What have you that you did not receive? If then you received it, why do you boast as if it were not a gift?" 1 Cor. 4:7.

Here, you are not only boasting this are not gifts, but boast they come from you. In order to understand the Word of God and not reject it, a person has to be born of the Spirit. God does everything Craig, and you may understand that one day.
---Mark_V. on 11/1/11


How can people understand the word of God in English if they dont understand the english language very well?

Youre misinterpreting Eph 2:8,9 because of poor English skills.

The Bible is very clear that the GIFT of God is forgiveness, righteousness and eternal life.
---CraigA on 10/31/11


David, I never said,
"Mark You teach that we are Saved by Grace through Faith, and that Faith through which we are Saved is without Deeds, Deeds which you call "Works"
The passage reads.
"For by grace you have been saved through faith, and not of yourselves, it is a gift of God, (grace faith is a gift of God) Not of works, (that grace and faith was not by your own works) lest anyone should boast" Those who think that grace and faith comes from them or very wrong. They only want to boast that it does.
Works without faith is sin.
"For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good work" Good works are those done by genuine faith, bring glory to God.
---Mark_V. on 10/31/11


\\Know the Scriptures, and research the subjects taught and then you will be able to know if the things being taught are from Christ or from the antiChrist.
---Eloy on 10/29/11\\

That's the procedure the Pharisees used, and they missed Jesus.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/30/11


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---char on 10/28/11
Amen
---Chria9396 on 10/29/11


MarkV, "Chria, I'm happy I misunderstood you." Me too, glad that's cleared up As always, God bless you
---Chria9396 on 10/29/11


And in the end they will only hear what tickles their ears, and prechers will preach so.
They will preach the traditions of men as doctrines of G-d.

And every "church" from the Orthodox to the latest Rock and Roll entity have their traditions.

And they will defend those traditons of Heresies, Blaphemies, and Apostasies even against the Throne of G-d Himself.

And Yeshua said...

When I come will I find the faith of Earth?

Sadly the answer is NO!

(Happy Birthday L-rd Jesus, born on Sukkot(This year Sukkot was Oct 13th +/-)
---John on 10/29/11


David, the only way we can know is to compare what they teach to the Word of God not what denomination teaches---Mark_V. on 10/29/11

Mark
You teach that we are Saved by Grace through Faith, and that Faith through which we are Saved is without Deeds, Deeds which you call "Works".
How can one be saved through Faith that is without Deeds, when James taught that Faith without Deeds is W-o-r-t-h-l-e-s-s?
---David on 10/30/11


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No, not one, worldly denominational church teaches the truth - or the whole truth anyway. The teaching of the truth comes only from the Holy Spirit and given to man through teachers and prophets not through a denominational church. The last two prophets mentioned in Revelation will be killed, even by christians, the same as the Jewisih people didn't recognize Jesus the first time he was here.
---Steveng on 10/30/11


God sent out-His Word-He sworn and testifies-of them.Is45:23,55:11 Jesus (Y'sha) is the Word of God in flesh Jn1,1-14. To mankind God gave the letters aleph To tav, written by His finger-for a purpose.Duet 9:10 If you're not Taught by God tesifing of His Word in Spirit you can be deceieved.
Jn5:30-32 (All)31 If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true. 32There is another that beareth witness of me, and I know that the witness which he witnesseth of me is true.
Bereshyt Elohym bara [at-aleph-Tav].Gen1:1
Each letter was formed by God that testifies of His Word.
Rev 22:13,
Is 44:6

The Word of God In FleshJn8:18
I am one that bear witness of [ Myself], and the Father that sent me beareth witness of me
---char on 10/28/11


David, the only way we can know is to compare what they teach to the Word of God not what denomination teaches. If we do not find what they say in Scripture, then we should know it is not fact since only the Word of God is Truth. If we hear something not according to Scripture we should ask why they taught something not found in the Word. For Scripture interprets Scripture. If you are not allowed to ask then you are in bondage to what they teach. If a person has a passion for the Truth, the Spirit will convict you, and you will sense right away when something is wrong.
---Mark_V. on 10/29/11


Know the Scriptures, and research the subjects taught and then you will be able to know if the things being taught are from Christ or from the antiChrist.
---Eloy on 10/29/11


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1. How can a sinner judge another sinner?
2. How can a Liar call someone else a Liar?
3. Why do Christians believe in false teachings?
---David on 10/28/11

1. By first removing mote in his own eye?
2. He lives the lie. By 2 or more witnesses.
3.Marketed with ear ticklers.
10 with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish, because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11 for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
Isa 63:8 For he said, Surely they are my people, children that will not lie: so he was their Saviour.
---Trav on 10/28/11


Thank you all for your helpful comments, they help those who read these blogs and want to learn.

How can a sinner judge another sinner?
How can a Liar call someone else a Liar?
It's because they make men their measure of Righteousness, and not Jesus Christ, the one sent by God to be that measure.

Why do Christians believe in false teachings?
It's because they have made the teachings of men their measure of Truth, not the Truth sent by God through his Son, to be that measure.
(John 1:17)
For the law was given through Moses, grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.
Comments??
---David on 10/28/11


Chria, I'm happy I misunderstood you. Praise God. I too was a Catholic. What I find wrong in the RCC is,
Jesus has taken a back seat to so many others. His been taken off the Throne. Also, in order to follow what they wanted to teach, they, through their own traditions, the Bible stop been the only Truth, what their Church teaches is also Truth. When they compromise, their traditions stand above God's Word. In the early Church, heathen and pagans were been converted to the RCC and with them came many pagan practices. The practices they use to believe in, they introduced to the Church for the cause of the Church in order to get other pagan and heathens converted. The pagans felt comfortable because they didn't have to change much.
---Mark_V. on 10/28/11


Wow, David said it all. Good answer.

I would just add "If you continue in MY WORD, then you are my disciples indeed, and you shall know the truth and the truth will make you free" John 8:31-32.

So when we study and learn from the words of Jesus we will know the difference between truth and lies.
---barb on 10/27/11


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David, there is only one gospel that saves, the gospel of Jesus Christ. There is evidence of Grace in every dispensation. When Adam and Eve sinned, God graciously intervened, promised a Redeemer, and made immediate provisions for their acceptance before Him in their sinful condition. In the dispensation of conscience Noah found grace in the sight of God (Gen.6:8) In the dispensation of goverment man rebelled by building the tower of Babel. God did not destroy the rebellious creation, but continued to work in the hearts of men like Abraham and Melchizedek by extending a gracious promise that He would bless the whole world through Abraham. Read ( Heb. 4:1,2) and (Gal. 3:8,9).
---Mark_V. on 10/27/11


MarkV, "Hello sister Chria, let me see if I understood what you said.
Are you saying that they don't confess to the preacher in a booth, confess their sins to him, call him father, I have sinned, and then the preacher says to you, your sins are forgiven, say 5 or as many as he tells you to do, hail Mary's and our fathers?" Im not saying that at all. Sorry if unclear. Note that I quoted Clunys response to you.
I was FORMERLY Catholic, and despite what Cluny says, we WERE taught as you say, which now I do not agree with. A Catholic priest is NOT my mediator or Father. I dont know what they do now, but I know some who weekly go to confession, so I imagine it is much the same.
---Chria99396 on 10/27/11


If it's the Orthodox Church, it teaches the truth.
All others are up to question.
---Cluny on 10/26/11

An internet snippet.
Orthodox have not been willing to participate in any redefinition of the Christian faith toward a reduced, minimal, anti-dogmatic and anti-traditional Christianity.
Christianity for the Eastern Orthodox is the Church, and the Church is Orthodoxy nothing less and nothing else.
Therefore, while Orthodox ecumenism is "open to dialogue with the devil himself", the goal is to reconcile all non-Orthodox back into Orthodoxy.

(Sounds like Catholic/Universal...just not Roman. But still some Icon's thrown in here and there)
---Trav on 10/27/11


If a place states they are the only place that teaches truth for starters.
God knows His Word He Spoke.
If you follow the true Word of YHVH -you'll end up within Him.
Alph to Tav-
Hos 13:4 Yet I [am] the LORD thy God from the land of Egypt, and thou shalt know no god but me: for [there is] no saviour beside me.

The name Y'sha-[Heb],is defined-YHVH is Savior-Jesus the Christ[annointed]-son of God.
Is 43:11, Is 44:6-8

ehhad'-a unit from within a unity-or a one and only.'

Zech 14:9 And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one.

There is only one true Word of God---came out of His mouth-
came from within Him.

You either believe them or not.
---char on 10/27/11


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"There were many being saved in the book of Acts before Paul's conversion.
Question:
Whose teachings were saving them?
Was it the teachings given to the disciples, by Author of Salvation?
Comments??"
---David on 10/27/

David,

I only want to make one, Amen!
---Nana on 10/27/11


\\confess their sins to him, call him father, I have sinned, and then the preacher says to you, your sins are forgiven, say 5 or as many as he tells you to do, hail Mary's and our fathers?\\

THIS is what you said earlier:

\\If you think your forgiven for confessing your sins to a preacher and doing a few acts of merit by saying a few hail Mary's, it is the wrong church.\\

Nowhere is this called "a few acts of merit" in RC doctrine.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/27/11


Hello sister Chria, let me see if I understood what you said.
Are you saying that they don't confess to the preacher in a booth, confess their sins to him, call him father, I have sinned, and then the preacher says to you, your sins are forgiven, say 5 or as many as he tells you to do, hail Mary's and our fathers? If they don't do that anymore then it means they change their practices. I was a Catholic, who did all that. Not every week but some times every month. And during the week I went and did those sins again, and confessed later again. I could do them and confess them every week if I wanted. Glad they don't do that anymore, it is a great change. I also had my idol, Saint Martin, to guide me.
---Mark_V. on 10/27/11


There were many being saved in the book of Acts before Paul's conversion.
Question:
Whose teachings were saving them?
Was it the teachings given to the disciples, by Author of Salvation?
Comments??
---David on 10/27/11


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Orthodox baptize by immersion.
Neither Orthodox nor Roman Catholic churches have idols, but when I was a Baptist, we said prayers to pieces of cloth, which IS idolatry.
Nowhere do any of the RC catechisms say that saying Hail Marys give merit, and the Orthodox never taught the western doctrine of "merit". This is one of RC's innovations after she broke from Orthodoxy..
Nowhere has the Roman Catholic Church ever said that the Pope was Jesus.

So you are wrong, Mark.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/26/11


The books of 2 Peter and Jude teach us how to know false teachers.

False teachers can appear in any church, even if the church itself is teaching truth. Knowing how to spot a false teacher can help us steer away from the wrong teachers, preachers, and churches.

In a nutshell, false teachers play on our senses and sensuality to introduce lies in their teaching. These lies will ultimately lead you away from Jesus toward something that deals with our senses, lust, or greed. These lies will lead you away from the truth and should set off alarm bells in the Spirit who is in you. If you feel "uneasy" about what a church or teacher is promoting, stay away from them.
---Mark_Eaton on 10/26/11


"\\If you think your forgiven for confessing your sins to a preacher and doing a few acts of merit by saying a few hail Mary's, it is the wrong c\\

BTW, Mark, if you think the Roman Catholic Church teaches this, well, you are using a straw man argument, because it doesn't, either."
The RCC is a huge umbrella for a many different "parishes", and individually they may teach things Cluny claims the RCC does not. I know the one I was raised in most definitely taught the above and more. The preacher, was the priest, mediator...
---Chria9396 on 10/26/11


Cluny, lets see here, I went to mass on Sundays. I was told the bread was the literal flesh of Christ. I was taught that when we get baptized with the sprinkle of water, I have a new life. I saw that the Catholic church permitted idols and the worship of idols especially Mary, and on their website they gives reasons why they do. I have their catechisms and they tell me you are wrong. And since your denomination broke from them, only a few things have changed, but not much. They still follow the traditions of man and with a Jesus they created in this earth, the pope, the new head of the church. So you are wrong.
---Mark_V. on 10/26/11


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One red flag we need to heed is when a pastor or church spends much of its time in criticizing other denominations, in doing so they focus on others and not themselves.

If all others are wrong, then only we can be right is the underlying assumption.
---lee1538 on 10/26/11


\\If you think your forgiven for confessing your sins to a preacher and doing a few acts of merit by saying a few hail Mary's, it is the wrong c\\

BTW, Mark, if you think the Roman Catholic Church teaches this, well, you are using a straw man argument, because it doesn't, either.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/26/11


Actually, Mark, rethinking the matter, since we don't do these things you are accusing us of, then according to your OWN criteria, Orthodoxy is the RIGHT Church.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/26/11


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If your church teaches to worship Mary, it is the wrong church.
If your church teaches that you are reborn by some preacher sprinkling water on your head, it is the wrong Church.
If you church worships saints and has idols and sell candles to light up to those saints, it is the wrong church.
If you have mass, it is the wrong church.
If you think your forgiven for confessing your sins to a preacher and doing a few acts of merit by saying a few hail Mary's, it is the wrong church.
If your church thinks they have the truth and do those things, you are completely in the wrong church. For there is no truth found in those churches.\\

But we don't do these things, so you're wrong.
---Cluny on 10/26/11


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Cluny.
If your church teaches that you literally eat the flesh of Christ, it's the wrong church.
If your church teaches to worship Mary, it is the wrong church.
If your church teaches that you are reborn by some preacher sprinkling water on your head, it is the wrong Church.
If you church worships saints and has idols and sell candles to light up to those saints, it is the wrong church.
If you have mass, it is the wrong church.
If you think your forgiven for confessing your sins to a preacher and doing a few acts of merit by saying a few hail Mary's, it is the wrong church.
If your church thinks they have the truth and do those things, you are completely in the wrong church. For there is no truth found in those churches.
---Mark_V. on 10/26/11


If it's the Orthodox Church, it teaches the truth.

All others are up to question.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/26/11


(John 8:45)
Yet because I tell the truth, you do not believe me!

The opposite of True is False.
The opposite of the Truth is a lie.
If you have the Truth, nobody can cause you to believe their lies,...can they?

If one believes in Jesus Christ, they must believe that what he says is the Truth.
Agree or disagree?
---David on 10/26/11


Read and study the Bible often for yourself so that you can discern between truth and err when you hear it.
---Jed on 10/25/11

This is the best advice Jed. I'm so disgusted with preachers that it comes out. I went humbly to a lot of preachers 15 years ago asking for scriptural help. Most didn't know their scripture. They were intrigued, always going to get back with me. Well it's been 15 years none have so far. Found out this is a sure way to out one out....quiz him about scripture. If it makes them mad you have another answer.
Discernment as said Jed....is the best.
---Trav on 10/26/11


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Thanks Trav. Guess that clears it up. God bless. :)
---God.is.everywhere on 10/25/11


Who is the antichrist, if I may ask?
---God.is.everywhere on 10/25/11

Who is actively against Christ. Who has been against Christ since his arrival.
The answer is simple. The evidence is where you find it.
Matthew 12:30
He that is not with me is against me, he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad.
1 John 2:22
Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
---Trav on 10/25/11


If your church teaches anything other than the written Word of God, it is anti-christ. If it does not line up with God's Word, better leave it alone.
---shira4368 on 10/25/11


Pastors sometimes get angry with people that do study the Bible and take courses in theology because all too much of what they preach is extrabiblical or cannot be defended from Scripture alone.

Some have this idea that we should entrust all we are to know to them alone.

For instance, many pastors will teach tithing but where is the command in the Bible that commands Christians to tithe? The tithe was strictly an OT injunction designed to support the Levitical priesthood and the Temple. All the New Testament has to say is that we are to give in accordance to how God has blessed us. 2 Cor.9:
---lee1538 on 10/25/11


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Read and study the Bible often for yourself so that you can discern between truth and err when you hear it.
---Jed on 10/25/11


How can we know if a Church teaching is the truth, or is from the Anti-Christ?
---David on 10/25/11
SIMPLE:
Isaiah 8:20 To THE LAW and to THE TESTIMONY: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

Revelation 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman( THE CHURCH OF GOD), and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD, and have the TESTIMONY OF JESUS CHRIST

Revelation 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints( the church): here [are] they that KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD, and the FAITH OF JESUS
---Francis on 10/25/11


THERE ARE NONE!!!
---John on 10/25/11


There are open handed statments (we get to decide) and closed handed issues (doctrine from God).
1) Does the statement by the church encourage, rebuke, help the local believers.
2)How important is this statement. Is it foundational or more of a choice.
3) Does the scripture used to make statement make sense.
4) Does other scripture back statement. All scripture supports itself.
5) Does previous statements allow you to trust church until you can do 1 thru 4.
6) Realize that maybe you are wrong or confused and need to ask for clarification or details then start process over again with new information. Maybe God wants to expand and stretch you.
7) Then and only then look at church being false and does this happen often.
---Scott1 on 10/25/11


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David, we study God's Word on our own, and ask the Holy Spirit to teach us Truth. That is how we discern if something being taught is the Truth.
---Trish9863 on 10/25/11


Well, I need to not assume that I must be so right. So, I need to trust God to make sure I do not fool my own self, like I can. It has been good for me to know things in the Bible, and the overall message and meaning, not to pick out only certain verses and make everything fit with how I understand some one or two verses. And then compare what I have with what a preacher says.

But, better than intellectual understanding, is to see how God has me become in His love, and discover His love meaning for the Bible, so I am not just going after knowledge, but how God has me loving as His meaning. And see who are my examples of this (1 Peter 5:3).
---Bill_willa6989 on 10/25/11


Who is the antichrist, if I may ask?
---God.is.everywhere on 10/25/11


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