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Rules Of The Sabbath

What rules and regulations did the ancient Jews follow in observing the Sabbath? Could they light a fire in their homes during the Sabbath (Ex.35:3)?

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francis again you've misinterpret what i said, i never said we shouldnt follow Christ's law i said that we as believers are a hundred percent free from the mosaic law.

Christ's law indicates total love for God and man. Christ law indicates total repentance of sin, and trying to earn a way to heaven.
---andy3996 on 11/3/11


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Regarding the change from the observance of the Jewish Sabbath to the Christian Sunday,

(1) Protestants, who accept the Bible as the only rule of faith and religion, should by all means go back to the observance of the Sabbath. The fact that they do not, but on the contrary observe the Sunday, stultifies them in the eyes of every thinking man.

(2) We Catholics.. frankly say, "Yes, the Church made this change, made this law, as she made many other laws,

(3) We also say that of all Protestants, the Seventh-day Adventists are the only group that reason correctly and are consistent with their teachings.

Peter R. Tramer. Editor
---francis on 11/3/11


one example Christ's law forbids us to divorce, the law of moses allowed divorceletters
another example moses law made man subject to the shabbat
Christ's law made sabbath suject to man
follow Pauls words, and you'll find that indeed Christ spoke through him.
---andy3996 on 11/3/11


give us a good reference on your view that the Roman Church was the organization that changed the Jewish Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday?
---lee1538 on 11/3/11
Had she not such power, she could not have done that in which all modern religionists agree with her - she could not have substituted the observance of Sunday, the first day of the week, for the observance of Saturday, the seventh day, a change for which there is no scriptural authority." A Doctrinal Catechism. by Stephen Keenan,pg. 174.

We observe Sunday instead of Saturday because the Catholic Church, in the Council of Laodicea (A.D. 364), transferred the solemnity from Saturday to Sunday." The Convert's Catechism of Catholic Doctrine, pg. 50, 3rd ed.
---francis on 11/3/11


Rhonda //the author of sunday is rcc even she CONFIRMS Gods HOLY SABBATH DAY is Saturday and openly tells people if you do not observe this day you disobey GOD.

Would you be kind enough to give us a good reference on your view that the Roman Church was the organization that changed the Jewish Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday?
---lee1538 on 11/3/11




Rob pardon and forgive me if I am wrong in advance but to say that "I believe if Christ was walking on the face of the earth today, just like the Pharisees, you would seek to kill him. You believe Christ broke the law and sinned, because Christ Himself, healed on the Sabbath, and also picked grain from a crop and ate it on the Sabbath."

What you claim is an assumption nothing Francis mentioned indicated that, debate through scripture that is to rightly divide the truth not post false witnesses. You have broken the commandments.

accusation and a lie at that means you are not a reliable witness!!!
---Carla on 11/3/11


It is TRADITION that dictates the Sabbath day be on Saturday.
****

no mortal man has the POWER of GOD to "christianize" ANY DAY

GOD NEVER abolished His Holy Sabbath one is foolish believing they have POWER to "christianize" any other day

the author of sunday is rcc even she CONFIRMS Gods HOLY SABBATH DAY is Saturday and openly tells people if you do not observe this day you disobey GOD

tradition of rcc is sunday

GODS Holy Sabbath is perpetual Ex 31:16 ...you LIE by stating it is a "tradition"

perpetual means continuing, enduring forever, everlasting

physical Israel has been replaced by SPIRITUAL Israel and GODS generations of promises were TRANSFERRED to US
---Rhonda on 11/3/11


---Mark_Eaton on 11/3/11

Sunday is the 1st day, wednesday is the 4th day God worked on those dyas. he only rested, blessed and sanctiied the 7th. That is why it is HIS holy day. That day cannot be on any of the days on which God worked during creation week. the sabbath is based on what God said. God said he worked six days and rested on the 7th. That is not tradition that is Gods word. Also God commanded that we rest on the 7th day of the week. That is not tradition, that is commandments of God. It is not 1/7, but the 7th day.


francis Do you deny I'm right?
---andy3996 on 11/3/11
You are very wrong. There are still laws left for followers of Christ.
---francis on 11/3/11


It is not YOUR specific day. It is God's holy day see Isaiah 58:13
---francis on 11/2/11

There is nothing in Isaiah 58:13-14 that contradicts what I stated before.

If I honor God and revere the Sabbath day as holy to Him and regard this day as His day and desist from my own ways and pleasures, why is it a contradiction if that day is Wednesday, Sunday, or Saturday?

It is TRADITION that dictates the Sabbath day be on Saturday.
---Mark_Eaton on 11/3/11


francis Do you deny I'm right?

do you feel the urge to rip out the letters of Paul?

most of us agree that in the OT indeed you WOULD make sense.
You fail to see that in CHRIST there's no law left.

another thing you fail, celebrating manmade versions of Shabbath instead of returning to the ORIGINAL FORM. Why insisting upon following personal interpretations of law according ?
as said before ANY DAY is the LORD's Day and this freedom given by God Him self i tend to keep.
on the other hand for you to keep saturday if that makes you glad. no problem. but dont try legalist faith. as mentioned, it makes you neo-Galatian (just as those insiting upon Sunday alone)
---andy3996 on 11/3/11




//Interesting that you condemn others here who do not abide by the Saturday Sabbath belief while you don't even observe the Sabbath correctly.

Even if the Adventists did observe the Jewish Sabbath correctly, scripture does not say one is justified (declared righteous) by the law.(Romans 3:20) The righteousness of Christ is imparted to all who believe (1 Cor. 1:30).

Even the Apostles Paul stated while as a Pharisee under the law he was blameless.

I am unable to see how Adventists have the view that one is saved by observance of law, our savior is Jesus, not the law.
---lee1538 on 11/2/11


truth is ANY DAY is the LORD's Day.
---andy3996 on 11/2/11
See Isaiah 58:13. Accoding to the bible, the 7th day is the sabbath of God.


why does my seventh day have to be a specific seventh day? I can make my Sabbath day every Wednesday.
---Mark_Eaton on 11/2/11
It is not YOUR specific day. It is God's holy day see Isaiah 58:13

What Ive noticed from Francis is she appears to put TOO much emphasis on the law .
---JackB on 11/2/11
Look at my post and the blog topic. See that I am only responding to a topic about LAW. P S I AM A HE


---Haz27 on 11/2/11
You need to prove your point.
---francis on 11/2/11


Francis: Read back through this blog at your responses to the points others here raised to you about how the Sabbath should be kept. Your responses show you clearly were not observing the Sabbath as you should have. Therefore you stand condemned under legalist doctrine.

Interesting that you condemn others here who do not abide by the Saturday Sabbath belief while you don't even observe the Sabbath correctly.

SDA doctrine is about having a log in your eye judging others by the law. Take out the log (legalism) out of your eye then you will see clearly,being under grace and forgiving others with specks in their eyes.
---Haz27 on 11/2/11


What Ive noticed from Francis is she appears to put TOO much emphasis on the law instead of living by the Spirit which is given to us because our sins have been washed away and we have been justified by the blood of Christ.

The law condemns. That is why we will never be justified by or saved by the law.

The Spirit of Christ gives life AND enables us to obey the law without the fear of condemnation if we slip up (which ALL Christians do).

You are either justified by faith in Christ or by obedience to the law. Not both. You gotta pick one.
---JackB on 11/2/11


Francis, again you have proven you try to keep the law because you reject Christ, and that Christ lived a perfect and sinless life.

On 10/31/11, you wrote "Because the sabbath commandments is only one out of ten, to break it is SIN.

Francis, I believe if Christ was walking on the face of the earth today, just like the Pharisees, you would seek to kill him. You believe Christ broke the law and sinned, because Christ Himself, healed on the Sabbath, and also picked grain from a crop and ate it on the Sabbath.

Jerry, you wrote I did not grow up in a SDA home. I remember having to study Sabbath School Lessons, the Pathfinders, Campion Academy, and Union College. If these things are not SDA, then what are they?
---Rob on 11/2/11


//Ezekiel 20:12
Moreover also I gave them my sabbaths, to be a sign between me and them,//
Who is them? the verses before 12 tells you, if you care to read.
---michael_e on 11/2/11


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\\That might be true. Because the apostle paul wrote:

2 Thessalonians 2:7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. \\

The "mystery of iniquity" is talking about neo-Galatians and Judaizers such as yourself.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 11/2/11


Wrong. the BIBLE says that the 7th day is the sabbath. Many people keep the first day because of the resurrection.

ORAL LAW? What oral sabbath law?
---Francis on 11/2/11

Jesus said the Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath. It is was made for me, and not me for it, then why does my seventh day have to be a specific seventh day? I can make my Sabbath day every Wednesday.

Oral Torah is called the Mishnah, which defined by Rabbis as law given by God to Moses in addition to the written Torah. It is a further definition of what God meant in the written Torah.
---Mark_Eaton on 11/2/11


francis and what about Pauls comment upon the fact that to some one day is important to others every day is the same but that these external things should not divide us.

i read one eyeopening article that condemned me as a sunday worshipper, because in my heart i had made out of Sunday a "new sabbath"

on the other hand it also condemned the SDA because you keep the old law (and not even in the correct manner but thats another discussion)

truth is ANY DAY is the LORD's Day.

let us be free indeed
---andy3996 on 11/2/11


Francis: My point to you was that you fail to observe the Sabbath as scripture says.
---Haz27 on 11/2/11

That is what you say, but you have not given one jot or tittle of proof. You statement was that SDA were keeping THE WRONG DAY. PROVE IT

I say cucumbers taste better when pickled.
---Francis on 11/2/11


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Francis: My point to you was that you fail to observe the Sabbath as scripture says.

And SDA doctrine condemns those who continually break the commandments as you do.

The fact is the law was a tutor to bring people to Christ, but SDA doctrine stubbornly hold's on to the law, thus frustrating God's grace.
---Haz27 on 11/2/11


Samuele Bacchiocchi, Adventist church historian & theologian Andrews U. has found in his research Sunday worship started as far back as 125 AD time of Roman Emperor Hadrian.
---lee1538 on 11/2/

That might be true. Because the apostle paul wrote:

2 Thessalonians 2:7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.

John wrote:
Revelation 2:9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and [I know] the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but [are] the synagogue of Satan.

So yes early in church history before 125 AD people were already falling into apostacy
---Francis on 11/2/11


-Mark_Eaton on 11/2/11
Wrong. the BIBLE says that the 7th day is the sabbath. Many people keep the first day because of the resurrection. How many of them are willing to say that tuesday is the first day?
It does not ever say any 1/7, That day / time period is blessed and sanctified. This is not done to any other day except the 7th.

ORAL LAW? What oral sabbath law?
When has man been able to make anything holy?
When has man been abel to sanctify anything?

most of your post was good.


So not only could SDA's have the sabbath day wrong,
---Haz27 on 11/1/11
Are you suggesting that the SDA keep a different day as the sabbath than Jesus did when he walked this earth?
---Francis on 11/2/11


\\Ellen White never heard of the Eastern Churches that were never part of Rome. Go to any SDA seminars and you will be told White believed all the early church was all Roman Catholic and that Constantine or the Roman Church changed the OT Sabbath to Sunday.\\

There is not ONE REFERENCE to the Orthodox or any other Eastern Church (such as the non-Chalcedonian ones) in EGW's writings. Obviously, they didn't exist in 19th century New England.

I've been to the SDA Revelation Seminars, and that's where I learned that the SDA teaches that Jesus is the Archangel Michael Incarnate.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 11/2/11


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Cluny//Furthermore, it's ALL the pre-Reformation Apostolic churches, including those that had NOTHING to do with Rome, that worship primarily on Sunday.

Ellen White never heard of the Eastern Churches that were never part of Rome. Go to any SDA seminars and you will be told White believed all the early church was all Roman Catholic and that Constantine or the Roman Church changed the OT Sabbath to Sunday.

Adventists find problems proving anything from church history. Those who studied history soon find themselves in disagreement. For instance, Samuele Bacchiocchi, Adventist church historian & theologian Andrews U. has found in his research Sunday worship started as far back as 125 AD time of Roman Emperor Hadrian.
---lee1538 on 11/2/11


The question is intended for those on the blog.
Do you believe that this is how God wants us to spend the sabbath day?
---francis on 11/1/11

No, and this is my point to you.

When you say you follow the law of the Sabbath, you imply that you follow all the OT rules, including oral law and oral exposition.

When I examine what Jesus said about Sabbath, I see a relaxed attitude about it. It is intended for MY benefit, for MY development, for MY health, and for MY relationship to God.

Any laws such as what day it MUST be on and what can and cannot be done detract from my benefit of the day.
---Mark_Eaton on 11/2/11


The sabbath was given so that we would not work ourselves to death and so that we would fully trust in God and not in our own performance.
---Scott1 on 11/2/11


Francis:
"Maybe youre not actually observing the true Sabbath after all.
---JackB on 11/1/11"

So not only could SDA's have the sabbath day wrong, they also don't correctly observe it as a day of rest as scripture describes.

Francis, since you have described such disobedience of 10 commandments as an indicator that someone is not a Christian where does that leave you?

The reality is grace and law do not go together.
---Haz27 on 11/1/11


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\\Cluny, "NO EXCEPTIONS"? Really? No oil fueled lamps to burn for light on the Sabbath? So, the lights would have to already be lit. For the Sabbath begins at sundown.\\

I've already mentioned this. Remember?

**How come you worship on a SUN >day< A specific DAY of the week?**

Only in GERMANIC languages is it called Sunday. In other European languages it's called "Lord's Day" from the Latin "Dominica Dies" or Greek "Kyriaki".

Furthermore, it's ALL the pre-Reformation Aposotolic churches, including those that had NOTHING to do with Rome, that worship primarily on Sunday.

Glory to Jesus Christ.
---Cluny on 11/2/11


If the sun stood still (earth stopped rotating) for one day in the days of Joshua, doesnt that mean that the calendars would be thrown off one day anyway? Maybe youre not actually observing the true Sabbath after all.
---JackB on 11/1/11
except that the sabbath is from sunset to sunset. So the length of the sunlight has nothing to do with it. We have long days in the summer, short days in the winter, yet the sabbath is still the same day
Howver, here is something to consider: Did God ever turn time BACKWARDS?
---Francis on 11/2/11


If the Sabbath was only given to Jews why does Exodus 20:10 say "but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the LORD your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your manservant or maidservant, nor your animals, nor the alien within your gates."

Beats me!
---Warwick on 11/2/11


The Sabbath was given only to the Jewish people as a sign of the (Old) Covenant He made only with them.
***

really? still consumed and spreading lies - where is this "jewish sabbath" in Holy Scripture?

even rcc is not foolish enough to declare GODS Holy Sabbath as a "jewish sabbath"!!!

term "jewish sabbath" is VOID in Holy Scripture

Ezekiel 20:12
Moreover also I gave them my sabbaths, to be a sign between me and them, that they might know that I am the LORD that sanctify them.

where does it say "jewish sabbath" is it written in satanic code backwards somewhere ONLY for the unbelievers those HATERS of GOD
---Rhonda on 11/1/11


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The Sabbath was given only to the Jewish people...
---lee1538 on 11/1/11
Read Isaiah 56: Acts 13: 42-44, ACTS 15: 21

And these kashuroth were NEVER obligatory on Gentiles,
-Cluny on 11/1/11
Read Genesis 7:2 Noah was not a jew
Exodus 12:49,Numbers 15:16

2 Chronicles 19:7 there is no iniquity with the LORD our God, nor respect of
persons,
Romans 2:11 For there is no respect of persons with God.

God's laws are for all Gods people REGARDLESS OF ETHNIC BACKGROUND

---Mark_Eaton on 11/1/11
The question is intended for those on the blog.
Do you believe that this is how God wants us to spend the sabbath day?
---francis on 11/1/11


Something to consider:

If the sun stood still (earth stopped rotating) for one day in the days of Joshua, doesnt that mean that the calendars would be thrown off one day anyway? Maybe youre not actually observing the true Sabbath after all.
---JackB on 11/1/11


And since it would be nearly impossible for us to determine whether or not we are actually observing the true sabbath, shouldnt it be more important that we just pick one day per week so as to honor God's command? Bickering over the Sabbath does not produce any fruit.
---JackB on 11/1/11


Frances//So of the 10 commandments ONE is Jewish? What are the others?

The Sabbath was given only to the Jewish people as a sign of the (Old) Covenant He made only with them.

Exodus 31:13 You are to speak to the people of Israel and say, Above all you shall keep my Sabbaths, for this is a sign between me and you throughout your generations, that you may know that I, the LORD, sanctify you.

Hebrews 13:8 states the Old Covenant became obsolete. If obsolete then it was replaced by something New and if so, then the provisions of the Old no longer are applicable.

You will NOT find any command or even a hint of a command to obesrve the Jewish sabbath in the New Covenant.
---lee1538 on 11/1/11


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Francis //Romans 13:9-10 says nothing about honour the father and mother, says nothing about worshiping idols, says nothing about worshiping others gods, says nothing about keeping the sabbath, says nothing about taking Gods name in vain.
Are you suggesting that we are free to violate these laws?
---
I am surprised of the extreme you go to in justifying observance of the olde Jewish Sabbath.

Suggest you read Romans 13:9 again and note that it states "and any other commandment, are summed up in this word: You shall love your neighbor as yourself.


Sorry but we can know the Sabbath was not taught in the early Gentile church implies that the Apostles & their successors did not teach it.
---lee1538 on 11/1/11


\\The BIBLE gives a description of clean and uncelan meats...\\

And these kashuroth were NEVER obligatory on Gentiles, but only on Jews and proselytes.

Romans 14:17
For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink, but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost

Colossians 2:16
Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

Hebrews 9:10
Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.

You can follow carnal ordinances if you wish, francis. I'll follow our Lord, God, and Savior Jesus Christ!

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 11/1/11


Cluny, "NO EXCEPTIONS"? Really? No oil fueled lamps to burn for light on the Sabbath? So, the lights would have to already be lit. For the Sabbath begins at sundown.
---Gordon on 11/1/11


LOL who belives this foolishness.
---francis on 10/31/11

The Orthodox Jews of today.

I have several friends who are "black hat" Jews and they walk to services (to no light the fire of a gasoline engine) on the Shabbat and eat crock-pot food that was cooked on Friday.

I expected you knew this the way you portray yourself as the 4th commandment expert. Fully keeping the Shabbat is serious and difficult business.
---Mark_Eaton on 11/1/11


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---lee1538 on 11/1/11
Stop saying that I do not answer question. You have writen ni less than 4 blogs with the same intent. I answered all. In every blog you ask the same question. I answered colosians 2 in great detail, with many many OT and NT scriptures in another blog, I have already answered in other blogs the question about Jesus saying not what goes into a man..
When you ask a question you need to read the responses and stop asking THE SAME PEOPLE THE SAME QUESTIONS
Cluny same to you

ROD how could you have grown up as a SDA and not know what SIN is, or not know what clean and unclean meats are? Did you not pay attention?
---Francis on 11/1/11


Carla //What's wrong with a Saturday, if you worship everyday good for you but tell the truth....

We worship God every day, howbeit, the established tradition by the Apostles and their successors is that we have communal worship on Sundays.

There is nothing in Scripture that commands believers to observe any day. Romans 14:5-6 is very clear on that issue, howbeit, Adventists have chosen to impose a much different interpretation of those verses in order to justify the Sabbath and condemn those who do not attend Sabbath services.

Adventists honor God's failed creation while Christians view the day of resurrection for it is because of Jesus' resurrection we also have the hope of the resurrection to come. 1 Cor. 15:20
---lee1538 on 11/1/11


Jesus ushered in the New Covenant, so as a follower of Christ, I would ask the question, why is anybody that claims to be a christian, asking about the Law? Keep your focus on Jesus and what he did for us at the cross. He took care of everything, so that we could have life!
---Laura_Harper on 11/1/11


Francis: The SDA doctrine frustrates the grace of God (Gal 2:17-21) and contradicts Col 2:16 which says let no man judge you in meat, drink...sabbath days.

And aside from this SDA's stand condemned by the doctrine they follow. They continually break the Sabbath commandment by not observing the Sabbath as scripture describes it should be kept.

Paul used to be a legalist like the SDA and he said in
Phil 3:9 it's better to be found in Jesus having the righteousness which is of God by faith.
---Haz27 on 11/1/11


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--Rob on 10/31/11
Let answer ALL YOUR question with scripture:

The BIBLE gives a description of clean and uncelan meats in Leviticus 11 and Deuteronomy 14. If I listr all it would be more than 125 words. So you read it for yourself if you are really interested.

1 John 3:4 sin is the transgression of the law

Because the sabbath commandments is only one out of ten, to break it is a SIN.

---lee1538 on 10/31/11
Romans 13:9-10 says nothing about honour the father and mother, says nothing about worshiping idols, says nothing about worshiping others gods, says nothing about keeping the sabbath, says nothing about taking Gods name in vain.
Are you suggesting that we are free to violate these laws?
---Francis on 10/31/11


Rob: "Remember I grew up in a SDA home."

It sure doesn't sound like it. If your parents fed you unclean meat, then they were NOT SDAs. Perhaps your brother was an only child.
---jerry6593 on 11/1/11


The Catholic Church is responsible for this mess and those of you who have beef...

How come you worship on a SUN >day< A specific DAY of the week?

What's wrong with a Saturday, if you worship everyday good for you but tell the truth.... SUN day is the main day of worship.

Ask yourself if that is not adhering to a specific day?
---Carla on 11/1/11


I have noticed Frances never ever has commented on those passages where Jesus stated, food does not make one unclean. Matthew 15, Mark 7.

Col 2:16 Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink, or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath.

Frances does not listen to the Bible as he is stuck under the smelly skirts of Ellen White.
---lee1538 on 11/1/11


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Francis, you wrote keeping the Commandments of God is worship, and eating only clean meats WHICH SDA do EVERY DAY.

Frances, that is an OUTRIGHT and a BOLD FACE LIE. Remember I grew up in a SDA home.

Also, what do you call UNCLEAN?

Francis, you also continue to avoid answering the question I have asked you many times, concerning if not keeping (breaking) the Sabbath is a sin.
---Rob on 10/31/11


Francis //You cannot forsake the sabbath, and say you are keeping his commandments and worshiping Him:

You really do not know much about the teachings of the Bible, do you?

There are only 2 commandments we really need to heed.

1Jo 3:23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.

The same is echoed by Paul in Romans 13:9-10, and by James -

If you really fulfill the royal law according to the Scripture, You shall love your neighbor as yourself, you are doing well. James 2:8.

When you start reading the New Testament look and see if you can find any command that says we must observe the OT sabbath?
---lee1538 on 10/31/11


As long as the light and fires are lit BEFORE the Sabbath, and the meal is cooked BEFORE the Sabbath.
---Cluny on 10/31/11

And if the fire went out, they had to remain in the cold dark house?

LOL who belives this foolishness.
---francis on 10/31/11


\\do you guys have ANYTHING NEW?
---francis on 10/31/11\\

Why give you new information when you clearly have not processed the information I've previously given you?

2 + 2 will always equal 4--but you keep coming up with different and new wrong answers.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/31/11


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francis, this is from one of your previous posts.

It should answer the questions you raised here.

Exodus 35:3 kindle no fire

Exodus 16:5 on the sixth day they shall prepare your meals so that you do not prepare meals on sabbath.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/31/11


I really have no problem with someone that wants to observe the 10 commandments, even attempting to observe the Jewish Sabbath,
---lee1538 on 10/27/11

So of the 10 commandments ONE is Jewish? What are the others?
Before you answer, remember the 10 were all written by THE SAME PERSON. and the NEW COVENANT ws made with THE HOUSE OF JUDAH and HOUSE OF ISRAEL
---Francis on 10/31/11


do you guys have ANYTHING NEW?
---francis on 10/31/11


\\You are suggesting that every night of the week, a jew could have a warm meal, warm house, a lighted house, but NOT ON THE SABBATH because they could not make a fire.\\

As long as the light and fires are lit BEFORE the Sabbath, and the meal is cooked BEFORE the Sabbath.

Obviously, you know nothing about what the Sabbath observance required, what acts the scriptures forbade, and are merely exposing your own ignorance.

And you've still not answered my question about what day the Bible forbids us to worship. Synagogues still have services on Sunday as well as the other days.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/31/11


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what day of the week are we FORBIDDEN to worship?
--Cluny on 10/31/11
Matthew 15:9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

keeping the commandments of God is worship. Whether it is not commiting adultery, not covetting, eating only clean meats WHICH SDA do EVERY DAY.

You cannot forsake the sabbath, and say that you are keeping his commandments and worshiping Him:

Matthew 15:9 {But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
---francis on 10/31/11


---Cluny on 10/31/11
you answer is just plan silly.

You are suggesting that every night of the week, a jew could have a warm meal, warm house, a lighted house, but NOT ON THE SABBATH because they could not make a fire.

How foolish is that.
Only a fool would buy that

Where is the blessing in that?
Where is the DELIGHT in that?
---Francis on 10/31/11


\\From natural sunlight. Obviously, you're unfamiliar with classical synagogue architecture.
---Cluny on 10/30/11 \\

Services were and are not held at night on the Sabbath.

If you think they were, you are projecting American protestant practice onto Judaism.

Why don't you answer my question, which I will repeat:

According to the Bible, on what day of the week are we FORBIDDEN to worship? Please give BCV in your answer.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/31/11


//a person does not keep (breaks the Sabbath), are they in sin, and what is to happen to them"?

Adventism believes that the law of God is the 10 commandments, an eternal decree binding on all humanity, that whoever breaks any of the commandments and does not confess his sin prior to death, will burn in the fires of hell - a salvation by works according to their Investigative Judgment theory.

They claim only the law of Moses is no longer binding, however, the law of Moses is also called the Law of the Lord. 2 Chr. 31:3, Lk. 2:22f.

The law is the law and scripture does not make any distinction as to types. What we have is several descriptors for the whole law. Types of law is our creation.
---lee1538 on 10/31/11


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Francis, why do you continue to avoid answering the question, "if a person does not keep (breaks the Sabbath), are they in sin, and what is to happen to them"?
---Rob on 10/31/11


From natural sunlight. Obviously, you're unfamiliar with classical synagogue architecture.
---Cluny on 10/30/11
WOW I always knew that the sabbath was very special, but sunlight even at NIGHT during the sabbath?
Was that everywhere or just in the synagogues?
Let me guess you probably think Jesus broke the sabbath when he healed on the sabath right?
---Francis on 10/31/11


Gordon, the Bible says that people are forbidden to light fires on the Sabbath.

Period. No exceptions.

As I recall, someone was executed for doing that very thing.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/31/11


Cluny, You know that two wrongs do not make a right. So, let's say the lady was definitely being a hypocrite. That doesn't mean that the Sabbath isn't really a Commmand of GOD after all. It doesn't mean that it's okay to not observe the Sabbath after all. We're to follow GOD, at the end of the day. Not watch what other people do and do like them. Not if they're in violation, that is.
---Gordon on 10/31/11


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Francis, GOOD POINTS! It more than likely depended on what the fire was for. But, it was a violation to chop, gather and carry wood to make a fire, because that would be labour, or work. But, just to have a fire lit for common, practical purposes? No. You're right. Again, the Sabbath was meant to be a pleasant experience. The Pharisees of YAHUSHUA's Time, and those "pharisees" of today were of their father the Devil. So, they take GOD's Laws, twist them into something that's unpleasant, boring and a pain-in-the-neck to observe. But, that's not GOD's Way.
---Gordon on 10/31/11


\\You mean that had no light during the sabbath...\\

The Sabbath lights and fires were lit BEFORE the Sabbath began. Ever see FIDDLER ON THE ROOF or hear of the term "Shabbas goy"?

\\In the winter...\\

As long as the fire was lit BEFORE the Sabbath. If it went out, tough.

\\The synagogue was probable cold in winter and dark, ...\\

From natural sunlight. Obviously, you're unfamiliar with classical synagogue architecture.

\\Did they have to eat cold stew? ...\\

The meal on the Sabbath day could not be reheated. And Jesus did not warm grain in His hands.

Obviously, you know nothing about how Shabbas is kept among strict observant Jews.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/30/11


Gordon //They are adding little burdensome additives that GOD Himself never put in there. That's what the Pharisees did.

And if any religious group controls like the Pharisees did during the time of Jesus, we could well expect the same kind of additives to the law.

While some denominations wish for unity, it is a real blessing to make many different christians united not by denominational affliation but in Christ.

Thomas Jefferson once made the statement that the more denominations there are, the safer is democracy. I believe he was right.
---lee1538 on 10/30/11


The could not light a fire at all. Period.
---Cluny on 10/29/11

You mean that had no light during the sabbath hours, not a candle or a lamp?

In the winter the had to remain cold, no heat from a fire to warm their house?

The synagogue was probable cold in winter and dark, how did they read with no light?

Did they have to eat cold stew? Otr did they like Jesus warm their corn in their hands?

Way to put a burden on the sabbath, nice pharasee, good pharasee.

Matthew 5:20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed [the righteousness] of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
---Francis on 10/30/11


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The could not light a fire at all. Period.
****

who are the SDA's?

WHICH FIRE?

did you even READ Exodus or just another parrot repeating ignorant teachings of antichrists? or just another HATER of Gods Holy Sabbath?

the fire GOD was referring to was the fire used in making the temple ...where does it allude to fire for cooking?

I'll help you out - it does not say fire for cooking ...truly delusional to spread that LIE

really should READ rather make up LIES and distort spin and REJECT Holy Scripture

rather than HATE GOD why not try reading HIS Holy Word as it is WRITTEN rather than reading it through the lying false ministers of Satan that you worship adore and serve 2Corin 11:4
---Rhonda on 10/29/11


Exodus 20:10 thou shalt not do any work,
Exodus 35:3 kindle no fire
Ezekiel 46:3 worship before the LORD in the sabbath
Exodus 16:5 on the sixth day they shall prepare your meals so that you do not prepare meals on sabbath.
John 19:42 preparation day
Leviticus 23:8 the seventh day is an holy convocation:do no servile work.
Jeremiah 17:21 and bear no burden on the sabbath day
Isaiah 58:13 call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable,
Matthew 12:5on the sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are blameless? ( WORK OF THE PRIEST)
Matthew 12:12 Wherefore it is lawful to do well ( GOD DEEDS) on the sabbath days.
---francis on 10/29/11


Speaking of Sabbath observance, I had a weird experience today (Saturday).

I had gone to get my monthly meds, and a friend and i were across the street having a hamburger.

A Jewish woman came up to us and criticized us for not worshipping on the Sabbath.

Yet she herself was violating the Sabbath in several ways, including eating non-kosher food, indulging in commerce, and going on a bus trip, pushing her wheel-chair in which she had her luggage.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/29/11


LEE, The majority of these Jews do not believe in GOD. They reject YAHUSHUA (JESUS CHRIST) as the Messiah. These Jews are like the Pharisees of Old. The Pharisees rejected YAHUSHUA, and therefore, they rejected the True GOD, even though they thought otherwise. They believed that they loved and followed GOD. But, if they truly loved GOD, they would have received YAHUSHUA. The Jews today are TWISTING the Rules of observing the Sabbath Day. They are adding little burdensome additives that GOD Himself never put in there. That's what the Pharisees did. They were making GOD's Laws a BURDEN for people. GOD meant for the Sabbath to be a PLEASANT experience.
---Gordon on 10/30/11


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A Jew who truly believed in and sought to observe the 4th Commandment of the Decalogue, the Sabbath commandment, would not light any fire in his home during this day (Ex. 35:3). In fact, he would labor in preparation before the sun went down Friday night and eat cold food on the Sabbath.

Today hotel elevators in Israel stop at every floor on the Sabbath so that Jews would not have to labor in pushing a button for the desired floor.

If the Sabbath keepers in this country were to rule we would see the same extreme laws concerning the Sabbath as Jesus had to deal with.
---lee1538 on 10/28/11


The could not light a fire at all. Period.

This would mean that SDAs violate the Sabbath observance as given in the Bible by driving their cars on Saturday.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/29/11


It says, "you shall do no work" and "nor your male servant, nor your female servant", in Exodus 20:10. So, this rest is not only for you but for your servants. So, I see this is a love command, for loving your neighbor as yourself, by making sure not only you but any servants get the benefit of rest. So, this is not just a commandment about practice, but about how to love.
---Bill_willa6989 on 10/29/11


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