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Is The Bible Trustworthy

Scripture says God has preserved His Word, how do you personally know that the Bible you are using is trustworthy?

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Big boy pants, Rocky. Big boy pants.
--jerry6593 11/6/11
Your third personal attack on me just on this thread.
Why such unchristian behavior?
Why do you choose to talk the talk but not walk the walk?
Wouldn't it be better to walk with Jesus instead of deny his word by your actions?
It's easy to see who would have thrown the first stone, even though not without guilt.
---Rocky on 11/6/11


--MarkV 11/6/11
Rocky, You don't believe the Bible by faith and that is ok.
And the lies and personal attacks continue.
So if the Bible is the inspired word of God, that means the Spirit conspired to give us lies to later reveal to us what is truth and what is not.
What a stupid comment.
Jesus said he would leave the Holy Spirit to guide us. He never said he would leave a book, much less an inerrant one. Nevertheless, I have of written I believe the Bible is mostly true and accurate.
Your lies and attacks on me, clearly refuted by what I have oft written before, are a witness against you not me.
---Rocky on 11/6/11


Big boy pants, Rocky. Big boy pants.
---jerry6593 on 11/6/11


Rocky, You don't believe the Bible by faith and that is ok. You don't have to. No one is forcing you to believe every word, and some sections. You either believe it is the Word of God or you don't.
The reason I first answered you was because you said the Spirit discerns what is truth in the bible and what is not. So if the Bible is the inspired word of God, that means the Spirit conspired to give us lies to later reveal to us what is truth and what is not. And also worked through those who revised the Bible to add errors. A conspiracy by the Spirit.
---Mark_V. on 11/6/11


--Peter 11/4/11(1/2)
Differences there are, though I think not even many thousands.
--Wikipedia "Biblical inerrancy"
the many manuscripts which preserve New Testament texts differ among themselves in many respects, with some estimates of 200,000 to 300,000 differences among the various manuscripts
--Peter again
it's like a couple of typos in a book,
Do you believe the Bible is literal, inerrant, infallible, the complete word of God?
I believe it's mostly correct, infallible on matters relating to the Jesus' important messages, and an effective guide to him. I doubt all parts are intended to be taken literally.
Are all Bibles inerrant and complete?
---Rocky on 11/5/11




With time, prayer and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit we also become more discerning. Just as anyone does in any endeavour. Scripturally speaking I believe I have developed some discernment.
--Warwick 11/5/11
All that bragging and beating of your breast and yet you still won't answer a few simple questions about the Bible and your belief? All that discernment and you waste it making bogus derogatory personal attacks? Your works say otherwise and posts prove it.
---Rocky on 11/5/11


OK. The specifics of what you write are predominately concerned with whining about how everyone is picking on you.
--Jerry6593 11/5/11
Wow. You made a long, long post on 11/4/11 all attacking me and comparing me to your "Designer Religion" sermon. The whole post was one long, derogatory personal attack on me that had nothing to do with any posted topic. Then when I defend myself from your bogus attack and showed your applying it to me was a gross lie, you write the above post and attack me for defending myself from your lies. You are a very deceitful and dishonest person. Your actions prove you are not a good Christian, and have a very long way to go.
---Rocky on 11/5/11


Rocky: "Why not address the specifics of what I write instead of attacking me in such a vague and general way."
OK. The specifics of what you write are predominately concerned with whining about how everyone is picking on you.
--Jerry 11/5/11
The two of us had no discussions with each other on this thread until you jumped in with a post whose entire subject was your personal attack on me. I defended myself and asked you to get back on topic, to address the substantive issues instead of making personal attacks on me. Your response was another personal attack, again totally unrelated to substantive issues. It's easy to see who's the liar and hypocrite making repeated off-topic posts.
---Rocky on 11/5/11


Stav, no offence taken.

All seekers grow in knowledge and understanding of Scripture.

I have had the help of knowledgeable friends and good literature to help me grow.

With time, prayer and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit we also become more discerning. Just as anyone does in any endeavour.

Scripturally speaking I believe I have developed some discernment.

When I read the Bible cover to cover what unfolds is a story spanning thousands of years from the pens of many writers, inspired by God. Its integrity beyond any human work.

Greater than all this is faith because ultimately it is faith by which we accept it as revealed Truth.

Faith is the frame upon which we place all our learning.
---Warwick on 11/5/11


--Peter 11/4/11 (2/2)
Ancient Judaism never had a belief in the literal word of the Hebrew Bible.
Roman Catholics and Russia, Syriac, and Ethiopian Orthodox each have Bibles with different books.
How did Christians have one complete and inerrant Bible for 1000 years, then drop out 12 books and still have a complete, inerrant Bible? Was the first or second one in error?
What is your position on some of the differences between the Textus Receptus and And Nestle-Aland Greek Texts of the Bible, including the Pericope Adulterae, the Comma Johanneum, and the longer ending in Mark 16?
These are questions Ive been asking others, to which I get little or no response. Many respond instead with personal attacks.
---Rocky on 11/5/11




Rocky: "Why not address the specifics of what I write instead of attacking me in such a vague and general way."

OK. The specifics of what you write are predominately concerned with whining about how everyone is picking on you. You need to put on your big boy pants and focus on the topic at hand rather than wasting the precious 75 entries on YOU. You are NOT the topic.

Now, back to sediments. Tell me if you can, just where on earth fossil formation is going on right now. If it is a slow gradual process, then surely it is still going on.
---jerry6593 on 11/5/11


Warwick, my comment was not personal (though it might have seemed that way)

It came from me being an English teacher (No, English is not my first language, but still in the Ukraine......)

2 Timothy 3:16 is more reliable,for it is about 'ALL SCRIPTURE'

It leaves (for me who asks odd questions) the following question: Are we sure that the books collected for the NT are all the scriptures and that no book was placed in the NT when it should not have been placed?

I assume the books are the correct ones, but I don't see scriptural evidence (obviously)
---Stav on 11/4/11


Rocky (11/4): 'hundreds of thousands of differences?'

Differences there are, though I think not even many thousands.

But the differences,even if they are many, do not change the meaning of scripture. Humans did copy the books, and a few mistakes were made. But that does not mean the meaning is wrong - it's like a couple of typos in a book, not a 'fake' book
---Peter on 11/4/11


JIM 11/4/11
you must excuse Rocky for not having any faith in God. Rocky just seems to have a hard time believing that God had anything to do with how the bible was written or how it was put together.
I feel very sorry for you JIM. You know that I have responded to and refuted your same and similar lies in over 10 other posts, including on 10/21/11 on "Right Here Part 3 October 2011" and again on 10/26/11 on "Reject the Complete Bible" on multiple posts. That you continue your lying attacks proves that you are an inveterate liar and a deviant and despicable person.
---Rocky on 11/4/11


Stav, before I became a Christian I began seeking truth. As Scripture says "Ask, and it will be given to you, seek, and you will find.." I read God's word thoroughly, prayed, and questioned people ahead of me on this walk.

Eventually I came to understand God's history, and purposes are not explained in any one verse, or chapter. 2 Timothy 3:16 "All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness," As we read and digest "All Scripture" we come to know the Truth.

My quotes from Revelation are part of God's tapestry of truth. Understanding is not handed to us on demand. It takes time and right attitude.
---Warwick on 11/4/11


The Bible is the word of God God written it does not lie and is competely trust worthy
God is NOT a liar.
--Diane Gillandm 11/4/11
Do you believe the Bible is to be taken literally and is inerrant?
Why?
Does it have the full and complete word of God?
Where does the Bible proclaim any of the above?
How can you assume the Bible was kept free of human error when the numerous manuscripts it was based on had hundreds of thousands of differences?
Why believe the Bible is literal when in Judaism there had never been a belief in the literal word of the Hebrew Bible?
---Rocky on 11/4/11


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The Bible is the word of God God written it does not lie and is competely trust worthy
God is NOT a liar.
---Diane_Gillandm on 11/4/11


Warwick...you must excuse Rocky for not having any faith in God. Rocky just seems to have a hard time believing that God had anything to do with how the bible was written or how it was put together.
---JIM on 11/4/11


You are a BiblioSceptic and at the same time naievly accepting of unproven evolutionary long-ages views.
Warwick 11/4/11
Is BiblioSceptic a term you apply to all Christians that don't hold to your literal interpretation of the Bible? Oops I mean your "face-value" interpretation as you stated on another thread - whatever that means. Why do you refuse to explain what "face-value" means? You attack me as a "BiblioSceptic" but you won't even disclose how you view the Bible.
And "naively" accepting? How would you know? Do you have any idea how much time or what efforts I have devoted to this issue? Clearly this is just another BOGUS attack by you. Pathetic. Thou shalt not bear false witness.
---Rocky on 11/4/11


Rocky: You bring to mind a sermon I once gave called "Designer Religion".
--jerry6593
How nice I remind you of a histrionic sermon you once gave. But it doesn't apply to me at all. I often wrote here that I believe most of the Bible is accurate and it is a reliable guide to bring one to Jesus to learn about Him and the plan of salvation. Hardly the same as tearing out all the pages as in your story. Why not address the specifics of what I write instead of attacking me in such a vague and general way. In this you are the one being very unChristian, not me. You're the one ignoring the Bible.
---Rocky on 11/4/11


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Maybe someone else can be bothered dealing with you. I consider it pointless.
Warwick 11/4/11
Wow! I ask simple, direct questions about your post. Apparently you can't answer them but instead of admitting it you launch into attacks on me on this and another thread. Why is it pointless to answer, for all to read, simple questions about your post? That makes no sense at all. Such a blanket statement and refusal makes it very clear you have been posting statements you can't explain or support. And my questions were so simple, fundamental, and on-topic like:
Warwick, why do you keep calling the Bible "Gods word" instead of "Bible"?
Do you believe the Bible is literal, inerrant, or just infallible?
Why?
---Rocky on 11/4/11


CraigA, I am still looking for a response to my question about your post on 10/31/11.
There are those who believe that at one time the planet Mars (Baal) was in a much closer orbit with us actually stopped our rotation for period of one day
Who are the "those"? Can you provide any authoritative reference for this?
---Rocky on 11/4/11


Leon, in an earlier post you wrote:
His word (the Bible) is holy, unalterable & (unlike us) is incapable of error.
Where does it say the Bible is without error?
Why do you call the Bible "his word" when it was compiled by man from a multitude of source documents?
Which Bible are you talking about?
Are the different Bibles with different books and different translations all incapable of error?
How do you explain the standard examples of error - including the Pericope Adulterae, the Comma Johanneum, and the longer ending in Mark 16?
---Rocky on 11/4/11


Warwick 11/3/11
Rocky, was your question that Jesus "never said a word (not one recorded anyway) about a book to come to guide us?... [scriptures then presented]
Rocky 11/3/11
That's correct and you haven't shown otherwise...[detailed responses about 2 Peter 3:16, John 20:29-30, and Revelations].
Warwick 11/4/11
Rocky I do not think I could prove anything to you..
The appropriate response would be to answer the points and objections I raised in my post. Your response is simply an attempt to hide and evade the fact that you have no reasonable response that defends your position and that you are not honest enough to admit it. It's OK to post things you can't defend, but then you should admit that fact.
---Rocky on 11/4/11


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Warwick: 'Jesus said "Behold, I am coming soon! Blessed is he who keeps the words of the prophecy in this book." Revelation 22:7

True, Warwick

BUT 'THIS BOOK' was Revelation only, and the prophecies only

it's an empty comment
---Stav on 11/4/11


Rocky I do not think I could prove anything to you. And don't feel the need to do so. You are a BiblioSceptic and at the same time naievly accepting of unproven evolutionary long-ages views.

Maybe someone else can be bothered dealing with you. I consider it pointless.
---Warwick on 11/4/11


Rocky: You bring to mind a sermon I once gave called "Designer Religion". As I was speaking, I used a prop of a Bible cover that had come off and placed a worthless paperback book inside. As I read several not-so-popular scriptures, I would violently rip out a page, crumple it and throw it down while exclaiming "I don't believe that" or I don't need that. The audience was vivibly shocked, as they thought I was descrating a real Bible. At the end, I held up the empty cover and exclaimed "this is what you have left - nothing. If you only keep the scriptures that agree with your own opinions, what good are they? You might as well just write your own "designer religion".
---jerry6593 on 11/4/11


Warwick, why do you keep calling the Bible "Gods word"? Why not call the Bible a Bible? Do you believe the Bible is literal, inerrant, or just infallible? Why?
Not once did God, Jesus, or any original Apostle ever say there would be a Bible that included the words of Jesus much less that it would be literal or inerrant. Since they never made the claim, why do you presume to? You aren't following "God's word" if you proclaim it literal or inerrant since the Bible never proclaims that about itself. Whose word are you following?
More importantly we're told that followers would receive the Spirit for guidance, not a book. Do you follow the spirit or your interpretation of the book?
---Rocky on 11/4/11


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Warwick 11/3/11
Rocky, was your question that Jesus "never said a word (not one recorded anyway) about a book to come to guide us?
That's correct and you haven't shown otherwise.
I already discussed reservations about 2 Peter 3:16. Note this only refers to the epistles of Paul, and only those Peter might have seen.
John 20:29-30 narrowly addresses that certain specific signs were written so people "might believe that Jesus is the Christ".
The passages quoted from Revelations all clearly refer only to that specific book.
If anything, the passages prove there was no expectation of a compilation called a Bible.
You never answered the question: why did God promise a spirit to Guide us and not a book?
---Rocky on 11/3/11


"-Are these verses truth?" Yes. Tim 4:3 Also refers to those who won't put up with sound doctrine... comes from distorting scripture as in verses quoted. (NIV uses distort, while KJV uses wrest)
"If so, do we now treat Paul's epistle on the same plane as 'other scriptures', which are 'God breathed'?" Again, yes. 2 Tim 3:16
ALL Scripture is God-breathed
---chria9396 on 11/3/11


Rocky, was your question that Jesus "never said a word (not one recorded anyway) about a book to come to guide us?

I feel confident all Jesus did and said was not just for those present. Likewise I am confident the apostles did not write of their own volition or for their entertainment.

Peter (2 Peter 3:16) shows us he considered Paul's writings as Scripture.

"but these are written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name." John 20:31

Jesus said "Behold, I am coming soon! Blessed is he who keeps the words of the prophecy in this book." Revelation 22:7

See also Revelation 1:3,11 3:3,14 22:6,18
---Warwick on 11/3/11


Warwick 11/2/11
Jesus and His apostles quoted from the the book of Genesis 200 times! And always as historical reality.
Wikipedia Bible Inerrancy
In Judaism there had never been a belief in the literal word of the Hebrew Bible
Warwick
2 Peter 3:16... "as they do the other Scriptures"... Peter obviously considered Paul's writings to be Scripture.
As long as no single manuscript copier or translator inserted the single word "other" by mistake or trying to clarify, then that would be an accurate, oblique reference.
Nor does it say anything about any other books, the Bible wasn't compiled then, these were all independent manuscripts.
Further, you didn't answer the question I asked.
---Rocky on 11/3/11


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Peter what Scripture actually says is of the most importance. What we draw from what is written it is valuable but of lesser importance. However there is little value, if any, in conjecture. It is an argument from silence.

What we do have is Peter calling what he knew of Paul's writings, Scripture.

A major principle of Biblical interpretation is summed up as 'let Scripture interpret Scripture." This means that as the Bible is the work of the mind of God it has integrity, as a whole. Therefore no Scripture stands alone but one Scripture will confirm another.

The great danger is founding a doctrine upon but one Scripture.
---Warwick on 11/3/11


2 Peter 3:15-16 And account [that] the longsuffering of our Lord [is] salvation, even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you, As also in all [his] epistles, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as [they do] also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
-Are these verses truth?
-If so, do we now treat Paul's epistle on the same plane as 'other scriptures', which are 'God breathed'?
---micha9344 on 11/2/11


Warwick: 'Peter obviously considered Paul's writings to be Scripture'.

Absolutely true IF:
(1) 2 Peter is genuine scripture
(2) The letters of Paul that Peter had were ALL the letters of Paul that are now in the Bible

I accept (1) completely. (2) is not so certain. It is unlikely that in those days Paul would send a copy of his letters to Peter.

The main problem, though is that using one part of the Bible to prove another part leads to logic problems.
I accept the Bible, so I don't have a problem.

But someone who is uncertain maybe left unconvinced
---Peter on 11/2/11


It might be helpful to see where you stand with this scripture, before denying other scripture

2 Cor. 4:3But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: 4In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
---michael_e on 11/2/11


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Rocky I am glad you acknowledge Jesus knows the truth. I notice whenever Jesus refered to the OT He always spoke of it as historical reality, and He should know, and does not lie. For example Jesus and His apostles quoted from the the book of Genesis 200 times! And always as historical reality.

Are you trying to say that the NT is just a human work?

2 Peter 3:16 "He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction.

Peter obviously considered Paul's writings to be Scripture.
---Warwick on 11/2/11


Jesus said He is the way, the truth, and the life... do you believe that, including Jesus being the truth?
--Warwick 11/2/11
Yes, but why ask an irrelevant question? That does not say the Bible is true. Neither does 2 Timothy 3:16. At that time the "scriptures" referred to the Torah. The Bible was not even written. Why did Jesus promise us the Spirit to guide us and never said a word (not one recorded anyway) about a book to come to guide us?
---Rocky on 11/2/11


Rocky Scripture is God's word for us. It is not man trying to make sense of God. "All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness," 2 Timothy 3:16. All, is all.

Man did not drag the Saviour out of heaven. He came of His own accord to save His own helpless people. It is all God's doing. And thank God for that.

Jesus said He is the way, the truth, and the life...do you believe that, including Jesus being the truth?
---Warwick on 11/2/11


Cliff your lack of understanding of and faith in the power of God never fails to amaze me. Now you think God cannot control tsumami.

I can see why there is no mention of Cliff in Hebrews 11!
---Warwick on 11/2/11


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Cluny: "And since you admit that your opinions are untrustworthy"

Still can't read, eh? My opinions are trustworthy when they agree with the Bible. Your UNorthodox, man-made theories do not. That's the difference.
---jerry6593 on 11/2/11


The book of Job reads more like a fairy tale than scripture!
He loses everything including his wife and children....but hey , that's OK because he gets even better looking daughters than he had before "nowhere in all the world there were there found women as beautiful as Job's daughters"Job42.15.
So it's OK to lose your kids as long as you get better looking ones in the end??? I find this offensive!
---1st_cliff on 11/1/11


CraigA 10/31/11
There are those who believe that at one time the planet Mars (Baal) was in a much closer orbit with us... actually stopped our rotation for period of one day
Who? Can you provide any authoritative reference for this?
---Rocky on 11/1/11


\\Still having reading problems, I see. The Bible trumps all opinions - even mine.\\

That's why I don't follow your opinions and your exegesis.

And since you admit that your opinions are untrustworthy, why do you post them here?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 11/1/11


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--Leon 10/31/11
His word (the Bible) is holy, unalterable & (unlike us) is incapable of error.
Where does it say the Bible is without error?
Why do you call the Bible his word when it was compiled by man from a multitude of source documents?
Which Bible are you talking about?
Are the different Bibles with different books and different translations all incapable of error?
How do you explain the standard examples of error - including the Pericope Adulterae, the Comma Johanneum, and the longer ending in Mark 16?
---Rocky on 11/1/11


--1st cliff 10/31/11
I'm sure God would stop the earth rotating so they could continue fighting, when all He would have to do is whack the enemy!
Now why would he whack the enemy when:
Mat 5:9 Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.
Mat 5:21 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill,...
Mat 5:22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.
---Rocky on 11/1/11


Warwick, Evidence= Josh.10.13 "the sun stood still,the moon stopped"
Sun dial wouldn't work, no clocks or watches, how could you know what time it is??? talk about getting "real"
It already said God killed them with hail stones...He needed to stop the earth??

When the earth suddenly stops (1,000 miles an hr.)you got big time tsunamis!
They marched all night, fought all day, fought another 24 hrs.?? they were not supermen! a better plan??
Face it, it never happened!'cept maybe in the book of Jashar!
---1st_cliff on 11/1/11


Once a person accepts the truth and fact that God is proven to be Almighty, and he easily declares the end from the beginning, then all miraculous and supernatural events like stopping the sun in its course, or suspending the earth in the middle of space and spinning it around like a top with all of its thousands of gallons of oceans and sharks and fish and people on top and revovling it around the firey and burning sun, or turning water into perfectly fermented an well aged wine in an instant, or raising a dead man to life that has been dead for four days, or the weight of a man walking on top of the sea, all will be easy to accept.
---Eloy on 10/31/11


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Cliff, you imagine that God who made the earth can't stop its rotation safely? Come on be real!

You say 'they' believed the sun 'rotated' around the earth. Maybe some did but what do you offer as evidence?

You also imagine they could not measure time? What evidence do you have to support this belief?

If God chose to do things this way who are we to suggest we could come up with a better plan?

That we still talk about it shows it was an excellent way for God to exhibit His total control.
---Warwick on 11/1/11


Cluny: "In other words, jerry, you are telling us that your opinions posted here are not trustworthy."

Still having reading problems, I see. The Bible trumps all opinions - even mine.


Rob: "Jerry, you do not put your trust in the KJV Bible just as it reads, because you put your trust in the writtings of Ellen G. White."

Oh boy! Another mind reader. Please show the quote where I wrote that or have the integrity to apologize.


Lee: "That is rather doubtful...."

Read Exo 16. Hint: It comes BEFORE Exo 20, and clearly shows Sabbath keeping was reinstituted BEFORE Moses ascended Mt. Sinai. Or does the truth matter at all to you?
---jerry6593 on 11/1/11


\\Personally, I would sooner trust the KJV Bible, just as it reads, than all the people's opinions on ChristiaNet.
---jerry6593 on 10/31/11\\

In other words, jerry, you are telling us that your opinions posted here are not trustworthy.
---Cluny on 10/31/11

Jerry is trustworthy. Trust him to clutch his doctrines. Recognize the symptoms.
Took me six months to realize jews were have been and still are anti-christ and say it. His fear is if I probe what I believe it is a lack of faith. Even if the witnesses are multitude. Jerry like "some" preachers would be saying....I was wrong. Most can't do it.....even if life depended on it. Or others.
18The eyes of your understanding being enlightened, ...
---Trav on 11/1/11


There are those who believe that at one time the planet Mars (Baal) was in a much closer orbit with us and at this moment it was so close to the earth that it actually stopped our rotation for period of one day when it passed.
---CraigA on 10/31/11


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Josh.10 says that the sun stood still for a day.
At that time they believed the sun rotated around the earth.
If the earth stopped rotating (1,000 miles an hr.)no life would be here.
If time stood still, how could they know it was 24hrs.??
I'm sure God would stop the earth rotating so they could continue fighting, when all He would have to do is whack the enemy!
Book of Jashar????
---1st_cliff on 10/31/11


Jerry //If you were familiar with the Bible, you would know that God, Himself reaffirmed the 7-day week and Sabbath observance in the lesson of the manna BEFORE the Hebrews reached Mt. Sinai.

That is rather doubtful as when they found that one was picking up sticks, they really did not know at first what to do with him. Moses had to ask God what must be done. If the Sabbath was something that they had heard of prior to Mt. Sinai, there would have been a penalty for breaking it.

Also some of the people actually went out to look for manna on the sabbath day.

If you truly knew the teachings of the Bible you would have to acknowledge that there is not so much as a hint of a command for Christians to observe the Jewish Sabbath.
---lee1538 on 10/31/11


//Jerry, you do not put your trust in the KJV Bible just as it reads, because you put your trust in the writtings of Ellen G. White.
---Rob on 10/31/11
For God so loved the world that He gave us his only begotten son that whomsoever believes in Him and Ellen White His prophet, will not perish but have eternal life (pending of course,if they make it pass the Investigative Judgment as salvation is by works alone, grace only enabling one to obey the law and merit salvation).
---lee1538 on 10/31/11


\\His word (the Bible) is holy, unalterable & (unlike us) is incapable of error.\\

Even where it says that bats are birds?
---Cluny on 10/31/11

Just because man has a certain classification system doesn't mean God should use the same. Whales are also referred to as fish in the bible.
---Jason1072 on 10/31/11


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Jerry, you do not put your trust in the KJV Bible just as it reads, because you put your trust in the writtings of Ellen G. White.
---Rob on 10/31/11


\\Personally, I would sooner trust the KJV Bible, just as it reads, than all the people's opinions on ChristiaNet.
---jerry6593 on 10/31/11\\

In other words, jerry, you are telling us that your opinions posted here are not trustworthy.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/31/11


Personally, I would sooner trust the KJV Bible, just as it reads, than all the people's opinions on ChristiaNet.
---jerry6593 on 10/31/11


why does it say in the OT that god is a jealous god but the definition of love is not jealous?

aren't these contradictory?
---mike on 10/31/11

Show the verses saying each.
If your answer is not in the verse itself it will be found in by a witness verse in scripture.
I'll list the first one:
Exodus 34:14
For thou shalt worship no other god: for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God.

Deuteronomy 32:16
They provoked him to jealousy with strange gods, with abominations provoked they him to anger.
---Trav on 10/31/11


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\\His word (the Bible) is holy, unalterable & (unlike us) is incapable of error.\\

Even where it says that bats are birds?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/31/11


Personally, I don't trust the Bible. What?! That's right! Instead, I trust (have faith in) the God & Author of the Bible. His word (the Bible) is holy, unalterable & (unlike us) is incapable of error.
---Leon on 10/31/11


why does it say in proverbs to work while in eccl.says all is worthless?

why does it say in the OT that god is a jealous god but the definition of love is not jealous?

aren't these contradictory?
---mike on 10/31/11


When we read a poem, we know it's not supposed to be understood the same way as a history textbook.

Even different kinds of poems are to be understood differently.

And a history textbook is not supposed to be understood the same way as a newspaper.

No one would say a children's nursery rhyme is to be understood as a detailed technical history.

In the same way, there are different kinds of writings in the Bible, and they are to be understood in different ways.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/30/11


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the bible says it, so that settles it.
---andy3996 on 10/31/11


by FAITH!

And it's a gift from God. Did God choose to give it to you? And judging from the question posted...
---christan on 10/30/11


2 TIM 3:16/2nd 1:2/John 10:35
It claims to be ispired. It was writtten by man who were guided by the HS It canot be broken or proven untrue.
John 17:17
Jesus quoted scripture: sanctify them by your truth, Your word is truth.
Isa 42:8-9/Isa 46:9-10
Bible predictions of things to happen in the future confirm the inspiration of scriptures aas they come to pass.
PS 119:160/Johm 16:13 tell us that the Bible is true and that it will guide us in all the truths.
Isai 45:19
points out that the historical statements of the Bible are accurte/true.
ETC.
---Pierre on 10/29/11


God never wrote the Bible, God wrote the original copies of the Ten Commands that Moses broke. Man wrote all of the original manuscripts, and contrived the original oral traditions, man decided what manuscripts to include and exclude in the bible versions. None of the Bible original manuscripts were Inerrant, some copies of manuscripts are more accurate than others, a lot of manuscript author and teams were better than others the better translations the New Testament versions are based on the Greek Translations of Kurt and Barbara Aland. Every Bible translation committee has an agenda read the preface. That is the way it is, learn to live with it, The holy spirit can inspire you to study but you have to do the work yourself.
---Blogger9211 on 10/29/11


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John 16:13 But when he,the Spirit of Truth comes ,he will guide you into all truth. The Spirit of Truth is the Holy Ghost and when God's people are baptised with the Gift of the Holy Ghost they are given the Spirit of truth to teach them and guide their lives. The key is to stay as close to God as possible with prayer,praise,worship,Bible Study,and obedience to God. Seek God's leading on what version you are to use to read the Word.
---Darlene_1 on 10/29/11


Micha, when you say the Bible you are using', I take it you mean whichever translation I am using.

There are two approaches:

(1) To compare, and to accept that God will not allow all English translations to have problems. Thus, if what I read (RSV) does not differ from other translations, to accept it

(2) To go back to the original Bible, and check it. I can, because I'm Greek, but that is a method most people have to leave to others - anyway, I don't read Hebrew, so I can only do that for the NT

Or are you asking how do we know the Bible IS
His Word?
---Peter on 10/29/11


Studying the history of the translations of the bible I know it is not perfect. I also have my doctrate of divinity, however I have faith in the scriptures I read. no matter man made mistakes,God still shows me what I need to know.
---Candice on 10/29/11


I'm not too sure what you mean by this quesiton, michael. It's ambiguous.

Do you mean the particular translation?

A given Hebrew or Greek text?

The Bible as a whole?

Trustworthy for what purpose? (It would be very difficult to build a house or play football with it.)

Can you clarify, please?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/29/11


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Micha, Where does it say "God has preserved His (written) word"?
---1st_cliff on 10/29/11


It's the Word that is trustworthy "In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God" Jn 1:1
Believers have the Spirit within "Even the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him, for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you." Jn 15:26

revelation is by Spirit of truth,leads us into all truth. "when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth..." Jn 16:1
The Spirit within testiies of the Word "But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:" Jn 14:17
---chria9396 on 10/29/11


Read from Genesis 1 to the end of Revelation and compare what you read to what you see around us, and you will see Romans 1:20 is correct "For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. ...." Scripture has amazing accuracy and integrity throughout. God alone has the Truth. In contrast stories of man come and go, changing and rechanging as new evidence disproves earlier beliefs.

From my long experience Psalm 146:3,4 is an accurate summation of the truth. "Do not put your trust in princes, in mortal men, who cannot save. ....they return to the ground,...their plans come to nothing."
---Warwick on 10/29/11


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