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Can We Forgive Sins

In John 20:23, Jesus tells His disciples that they have the ability both to forgive sins or to retain them. The Orthodox and Catholic Churches feel that means that for a pastor/priest to be 'proper', he should be authorized by people of the same authority (the Apostolic Succession).
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I think it simply means if its something that a man could forgive then God will most certainly forgive it as well.

Its God way of saying that our capacity for forgiveness is not greater than his.
---JackB on 11/19/11


Your STATEMENT that the Pope is Peter's successor is something YOU MUST PROVE. Anyone claiming something as 'certain' must prove it. You habitually refuse to do that.
---Peter on 11/17/11

AMBROSE:

"We recognize in the letter of your holiness the vigilance of the good shepherd. You faithfully watch over the gate entrusted to you,(Synodal Letter of Ambrose, Sabinus, Bassian, and Others to Pope Siricius 42,)

JOHN CHRYSOSTOM

"For what purpose did He shed His blood? It was that He might win these sheep which he entrusted to Peter and his successors." (De Sacerdotio, 53)

Now it's your turn, 'Prove it wrong'!
---Ruben on 11/18/11


Ruben, written in Romans 1:25?

Those people who say the Church is not built on Christ, but on Peter, and claim Peter was the first Pope, have exchanged the TRUTH OF GOD for a lie.

When Jesus said "UPON THIS ROCK I WILL BUILD MY CHURCH" Jesus was not speaking about Peter, but the answer Peter gave in Matthew 16:16.
---Rob on 11/18/11

Rob, Jesus does not built his Church on confessions but on people " foundation on Apostles and Prophets (E ph 2:20).

And Jesus was talking to Peter, " I will give you(Peter) the keys and whatever you(Peter) bind and loose..About Romans 1:25 You are right, those people who do not Believe that Jesus call Peter Rock and gave Peter the Keys are calling God a liar!
---Ruben on 11/18/11


King David committed adultry with Bathsheba, He had Uriah the Hittite killed, he had a census taken of Israel against God's command which cost thousands of people their lives. This is just a few of the things he did wrong, yet God said he was a man after His own heart. In Psalms David prayed to God saying against thee and only thee have I sinned. Since sin against God not man then only God can forgive sin.
---Harold on 11/18/11


Ruben: Your STATEMENT that the Pope is Peter's successor is something YOU MUST PROVE.
---Peter on 11/17/11

On St. Clement of Rome (c. 96 AD), reckoned as the fourth Pope from St. Peter, Schaff states --

"...it can hardly be denied that the document [Clement to the Corinthians] reveals the sense of a certain superiority over all ordinary congregations. The Roman church here, without being asked (as far as appears), gives advice, with superior administrative wisdom, to an important church in the East, dispatches messengers to her, and exhorts her to order and unity in a tone of calm dignity and authority, as the organ of God and the Holy Spirit." (Schaff, volume 2, page 158)
---Ruben on 11/18/11




Peter:

"Everywhere, in the East no less than the West, Rome enjoyed a special prestige, as is indicated by the precedence accorded without question to it..... For evidence of it the student need only recall the leading position claimed as a matter of course by the popes, and freely conceded to them, at the councils of Ephesus (431) and Chalcedon (451). We even find the fifth-century historians Socrates and Sozomen concluding...that it was unconstitutional for synods to be held without the Roman pontiff being invited or for decisions to be taken without his concurrence (Kelly, pages 406, 407, 413, 417)


Anglican scholar J.N.D. Kelly in his classic work Early Christian Doctrines
---Ruben on 11/18/11


Ruben, are you familiar with what is written in Romans 1:25?

Those people who say the Church is not built on Christ, but on Peter, and claim Peter was the first Pope, have exchanged the TRUTH OF GOD for a lie.

When Jesus said "UPON THIS ROCK I WILL BUILD MY CHURCH" Jesus was not speaking about Peter, but the answer Peter gave in Matthew 16:16.
---Rob on 11/18/11


Ruben: You are right, I had not provided a reference, which I do now. The 'That one was the Pope.' is from P.Johnson's 'History of Christianity (1979)', The Great Schism'

Your STATEMENT that the Pope is Peter's successor is something YOU MUST PROVE. Anyone claiming something as 'certain' must prove it. You habitually refuse to do that.

'History and Early Church Fathers from East and West will disagree with you!'

That is a historical error. The church fathers had two much bigger things to discuss for the first about 400 years - Agustiniasm vs Pelagianism and the Trinity (History of Christianity: An Introduction, by Nystrom)

It was not until about 500AD that serious disputes began about who was the leader.
---Peter on 11/17/11


Peter*: The POPE is NOT Peter's descendant - you need to read the history of the church to understand.

I have, notice you gave no references to your claim. History is not on your side which I will show!

Peter * The church had 5 leaders for about 1000 years. Then one of the 5 argued with the other four, argued with them and left the system.

That one was the Pope.

Please need sources to your cliam..

Peter * PROVE that he was the ONE descendant.

Prove that he wasn't, not just your opinion.

Peter * I do not accept that - I hold the five to be equal, as do most Christians- except the RCC .

History and Early Church Fathers from East and West will disagree with you!
---Ruben on 11/17/11


//'It is well established that Babylon is a code name for Rome.'

if you are a fan of the Left Behind series of novels, you would believe the Babylon is a city that would be rebuilt.

On the other hand, making Rome the latter day Babylon because of the faulty religion is really without merit as all we have in that is a preferred interpretation.
---lee1538 on 11/17/11




Ruben: 'It is well established that Babylon is a code name for Rome.'

Let me accept that is at least POSSIBLE.

But my comment remains: The POPE is NOT Peter's descendant - you need to read the history of the church to understand

The church had 5 leaders for about 1000 years. Then one of the 5 argued with the other four, argued with them and left the system.

That one was the Pope.

PROVE that he was the ONE descendant

I do not accept that - I hold the five to be equal, as do most Christians- except the RCC
---Peter on 11/16/11


The Roman Church and Reuben apparently hold the view that since Jesus is not here in the flesh, He needed some human to be His representative. They do not believe Jesus can be present and in power while in His Spirit to rule over His church.
---lee1538 on 11/16/11

Lee and others want to separate Christ from his Church. Yes, Jesus is present and he left us a representive like he done all through Salvation history.

Remember "He who hears you hears me, whoever rejects you, rejects me.(LK 10:16)
---Ruben on 11/16/11


He needed some human to be His representative. They do not believe Jesus can be present and in power while in His Spirit to rule over His church.
---lee1538 on 11/16/11

Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you, and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age. Amen.

Sounds to me he needed humans and that he will be with them 'to the end of the age' And he left one in charge of all, 'I wll give you the Keys to the kingdom of Heaven'
---Ruben on 11/16/11


Mark_V.* somehow their Truth is equal to God's Truth.

It is, "You are Cephas and on this Cephas I wll built my Church and the gates of hell will not prevail against it"

Mark_V. * Salvation dependent on man's works.

"But if anyone does not provide for his own, and especially for those of his household, he has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever. " 1 Tim 5:8

Matthew 25:14-30 'Parable of the Tenets'

Those who did something with what the Master gave them, "enter into the joy" of their Master. The one servant who relied solely on the Master, who provided no return is "cast into the darkness"

But Mark says we do not need to do anything(works)!
---Ruben on 11/16/11


John 14:16-18 And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Helper, to be with you forever, even the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees him nor knows him. You know him, for he dwells with you and will be in you. "I will not leave you as orphans, I will come to you."

The Roman Church and Reuben apparently hold the view that since Jesus is not here in the flesh, He needed some human to be His representative. They do not believe Jesus can be present and in power while in His Spirit to rule over His church.
---lee1538 on 11/16/11


Mark_V.* Ruben, I was right. All your answers cleary show your intent, you want to remove Christ as the Head of the Church, and put a pope instead.

And I was right, you want to separate Christ from the Church. And the Bible nowhere does that, "Saul, Saul, why do you persecute me?" And he said, "Who are you, Lord?" And he said, "I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting,"( Acts 9:5)

Ephesians 5:29-30 For no man ever hates his own flesh, but nourishes and cherishes it, as Christ does the Church , because we are members of his body."
---Ruben on 11/16/11


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Ruben, I was right. All your answers cleary show your intent, you want to remove Christ as the Head of the Church, and put a pope instead. Then you claim the RCC gave us the Truth, that somehow their Truth is equal to God's Truth. You also put Mary ahead of Christ, even the saints ahead of Christ. Then you put the works of man, ahead of God right to rule His creation and save whom He wills to save. Salvation dependent on man's works. Little by little you removed God. You have been deceived Ruben and don't even know it. I pray that one day you too will see and know the Truth.
---Mark_V. on 11/16/11


Peter * Ruben: You have simply DECIDED that Babylon is Rome.

Where is your proof?

Scriptures:

It is well established that Babylon is a code name for Rome.

Revelation 16:19, "And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in..

Revelation 17:4-6, " And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT.."




---Ruben on 11/15/11


why is the Pope Peter's 'descendent'
---Peter on 11/15/11

Because Jesus told Peter 'I will give you the Keys to the kingdom of Heaven", compare this to Isaiah 22 ""And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will call my servant Eliakim the son of Hilkiah: And I will clothe him with thy robe, and strengthen him with thy girdle, and I will commit thy government into his hand: and he shall be a father to the inhabitants of Jerusalem, and to the house of Judah. And the key of the house of David will I lay upon his shoulder, so he shall open, and none shall shut, and he shall shut, and none shall open."

Why would Christ give Peter this authorithy during his life time, but not pass it on to his successors?
---Ruben on 11/15/11


Peter* If Peter was said to be the rock of the church, and the church in early days had five leaders, why does only one of the five claim to be Peter's descendent.

Because only one can make this claim.

Peter* It seems a rather heavy exaggeration to me

The Patriarch of Jerusalem could easily say the same, of course, but he does not - he is more humble

Or maybe he understood the significant of the 'Key'. Jesus gave just one key and it went to Peter and again only Peter was call the Rock that he will built his church!
---Ruben on 11/15/11


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Peter* In the initial days, many people were seen to lead the church, but no one person really did.

But they all turn to the Bishop of Rome, only he was given the 'keys'

Peter* The church was divided into five sections, lead by the patriarchs of Rome, Istanbul, Jerusalem, Antioch and Alexandria. One of those (Rome) became the RCC, while the other four are the Orthodox church.

So the Pope is not the ONLY successor of Peter (he is one fifth of the successor!)

Only Peter was call Rock and only Peter was given the 'Keys' and only Rome can make that claim! I would like to stay at course with this blog, if you wish maybe he can open up one about the successors of Peter. Thanks
---Ruben on 11/15/11


Ruben: You have simply DECIDED that Babylon is Rome.

Where is your proof?

But the question remains: why is the Pope Peter's 'descendent'

That is irrelevant with where Peter was - he could equally well be Paul's descendent
---Peter on 11/15/11


Ruben: I may well be wrong about Peter in Rome, though in those days other writers refer to it as 'Rome'

But that is not the point. If Peter was said to be the rock of the church, and the church in early days had five leaders, why does only one of the five claim to be Peter's descendent.

It seems a rather heavy exaggeration to me

The Patriarch of Jerusalem could easily say the same, of course, but he does not - he is more humble
---Peter on 11/15/11


Peter* Peter is not known to have ever gone to Rome.

Scripture and Early Church Fathers disagree wih you:

1 Peter 5:12-14 "By Silvanus, a faithful brother unto you, as I suppose, I have written briefly, exhorting, and testifying that this is the true grace of God wherein ye stand. The church that is at Babylon..."

Bishop Eusebius of Caesarea, The Chronicle, AD 303, "[In the second] year of the two hundredth and fifth Olympiad [AD 42]: The Apostle Peter, after he has established the church in Antioch, is sent to Rome, where he remains as a bishop of that city, preaching the gospel for twenty-five years."
---Ruben on 11/15/11


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Mark_V. * Second, the word for Peter, "Petros" means a small stone (John 1:42).

John 1:42 reads "You are Simon the son of Jonah, You shall be called Cephas

Cephas: 2786. Kephas kay-fas' of Chaldee origin (compare 3710), the Rock, Cephas (i.e. Kepha), a surname of Peter:--Cephas.

Mark * And since the New T. makes it abundantly clear that Christ is both the foundation (Acts 4:11,12: 1 Cor. 3:11) and the Head ( Eph. 5:23) of the Church,

And the NT is abundantly clear that Jesus is the foundation but bulit his "foundation on the Apostles and Prophets (Eph 2:20) and call Peter Rock (Jhn 1:42)

Mark* it is a major mistake to think otherwise.

Agree:)
---Ruben on 11/15/11


Mark* Ruben, I understand the passage in Matthew 9:8 very well.

No you don't, you are showing your bias. First, Jesus said : " ." And when Jesus saw their faith, he said to the paralytic, "My son, your sins are forgiven " 9:5 and then " Now some of the scribes were sitting there, questioning in their hearts, "Why does this man speak thus? It is blasphemy! Who can forgive sins but God alone?" v6-7, in fact same words you use, 'only God can forgive sins! And like them he is asking you "Which is easier to say, 'Your sins are forgiven,' or to say, 'Rise, take up your pallet and walk'?
---Ruben on 11/15/11


Concerning forgiving sins, (v.6) says, "But that you may know that the Son of Man has power on earth to forgive sins" He didn't say he was giving this power to men. Only that He had the power.
---Mark_V. on 11/14/11

Jesus says " as Son of Man he has authorithy on earth to forgive sins. As a 'Man' he had authorithy to forgive sins, they question him and said 'Only God can do this? The people glorified God to given authorithy to 'Men, it was about forgiving his sins not about walking away!!!
---Ruben on 11/15/11


Ruben, you said,
"It's you! Jesus said he will build his church on the Rock of Peter!"
No where did Jesus say that.
He did say,
Jesus didn't say He will build His Church on the rock of Peter." First, Peter did not have a rock to build the church on. Second, the word for Peter, "Petros" means a small stone (John 1:42). And since the New T. makes it abundantly clear that Christ is both the foundation (Acts 4:11,12: 1 Cor. 3:11) and the Head ( Eph. 5:23) of the Church, it is a major mistake to think otherwise. Peter confess that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the living God, and Christ Himself is the chief conerstone" ( 1 Peter 26:7).
---Mark_V. on 11/15/11


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Ruben, I understand the passage in Matthew 9:8 very well.
"Now when the multitudes saw it, they marveled and glorified God, who had given such power to men"
First, what did the paralytic do when Jesus said,
"Arise, take up your bed, and go to your house" And what did the paralytic do? He rose and departed to his house. Jesus gave him that power. And what did those who saw that do? They marveled and glorified God. Very simple Ruben when you are not bias.
Concerning forgiving sins, (v.6) says, "But that you may know that the Son of Man has power on earth to forgive sins" He didn't say he was giving this power to men. Only that He had the power.
---Mark_V. on 11/14/11


Ruben: 'Church on the Rock of Peter and gave him the keys to the kingdom of Heaven.'.

There is one thing you miss out there, though. The Pope claims to be the successor of Peter, but.......

Peter is not known to have ever gone to Rome. In the initial days, many people were seen to lead the church, but no one person really did. The church was divided into five sections, lead by the patriarchs of Rome, Istanbul, Jerusalem, Antioch and Alexandria. One of those (Rome) became the RCC, while the other four are the Orthodox church.

So the Pope is not the ONLY successor of Peter (he is one fifth of the successor!)
---Peter on 11/14/11


Mark_V.* Ruben, you use Scripture to answer but Scripture does not say what you say.

Then enlighten me, what does Matthew 9:8 mean? "they marveled and glorified God, who had given such power to men "

Mark_V.* why do you oppose the authority of God?

It's you! Jesus said he will build his church on the Rock of Peter! Paul tell us the Church is the pillar and foundation of truth.

Mark_V.* Maybe you can teach me something Ruben.

I am trying, but you are not listening.
---Ruben on 11/14/11


Mark* You fight for the pope to be the head of the Church, not Christ.

No Mark, Christ is the head of the Church but gave Peter the authorithy as the head of the earthly church(Mt 16:16-18)

Mark* You fight to give equal rights to the traditions added by the RCC to what the Bible teaches. Thats God word.

What's God word is "stand fast and hold the traditions which you were taught, whether by word or our epistle."( 2 Thess 2:15) Tell me Mark, what traditions is Paul talking about, can you tell me?

Mark* Is the RCC so important to you? If you are, Why?

Because Jesus said he will built his Church on the Rock of Peter and gave him the keys to the kingdom of Heaven. Do you belong to that Church Mark, I do!
---Ruben on 11/14/11


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Ruben, you use Scripture to answer but Scripture does not say what you say. Adding to the word of God is sin. You are a sensible man, why do you oppose the authority of God? Maybe you can teach me something Ruben. You fight for the pope to be the head of the Church, not Christ. you fight to give equal rights to the traditions added by the RCC to what the Bible teaches. Thats God word. You also fight against the Word of God when you say, the RCC gave us what was Truth already. You also fight for the saints and Mary to receive worship above Christ. It seems your fight is with God (Christ) then with anyone else. Is the RCC so important to you, that you are willing to sacrifice your own soul for the love of the RCC? If you are, Why?
---Mark_V. on 11/12/11


Mark_V.* Ruben, your arguments are very silly when you read Scripture.

Mark, I use scripture for my answers how am I excluding God? Please explain?

Mark_V.* and raise up the saints and Mary and will do anything to speak for them no matter who gets the axe.

Paul tell us that we are surround by such witness and James tells us that prayers of the righteous avalis much. Bu you say away with those who went before us!

Mark* Here it is at the expense of God who can only forgive sin.

Already proven, he gave authorithy to MEN!

Mark_V.* Your loyalty to the RCC is so strong

And why not, after all Jesus said he will built his 'Church' on the Rock of Peter.
---Ruben on 11/11/11


One can only forgive sins commited against himself. Only God can forgive sins committed against Him. The Bible calls it blasphemy if a person tries to forgive a sin against God.
---jerry6593 on 11/11/11


Ruben, your arguments are very silly when you read Scripture. What I cannot understand is, why do you try your best in every answer you give to exclude God from your answers and speak for man? I think to myself, why people who claim they have their trust and faith in God refuse to include God? That is why I'm so against the RCC because most of their believes and traditions always exclude God or Christ, and raise up the saints and Mary and will do anything to speak for them no matter who gets the axe. Here it is at the expense of God who can only forgive sin. Your loyalty to the RCC is so strong that nothing can change your heart towards Christ alone. Nothing I say or anyone says can do that. I know that already.
---Mark_V. on 11/11/11


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Doesn't sound to me like the priest forgave their sins, or that he has power to forgive sins. Sorry Ruben.
---Mark_V. on 11/10/11

Sorry Mark not so:

4: Or if any one utters with his lips a rash oath to do evil or to do good, any sort of rash oath that men swear, and it is hidden from him, when he comes to know it he shall in any of these be guilty. 5: When a man is guilty in any of these, he shall confess the sin he committed : and he shall bring his guilt offering to the LORD for the sin which he has committed, a female from the flock, a lamb or a goat, for a sin offering, and the priest shall make attonement for 'HIS SIN' .

Nothing here about going to God alone...
---Ruben on 11/10/11


The passages you gave no where say that the priest forgived their sins. Only that their sins are forgiven.
"So the priest shall make atonement for him before the Lord, and he shall be forgiven for any one of these thing that he may have done in which he trespass"
Doesn't sound to me like the priest forgave their sins, or that he has power to forgive sins, like Catholics think they do. While all sins are against God (Ps.51:4) some are direct (5:14-19) and others are indirect, involvoing people (6:1-7), as here. These violations are not exhaustive, but represented samples used to establish and illustrate the principle. The priest served as an appraiser to give apporpiate value to the goods in question. Sorry Ruben.
---Mark_V. on 11/10/11


Mark_V.* Ruben, the passage doesn't have to tell me, I know because only God forgives sins against Him.

Mark, the Pharisees said the same thing " Now some of the scribes were sitting there, questioning in their hearts, "Why does this man speak thus? It is blasphemy! Who can forgive sins but God alone?" (Mark 5:7-8), but look what Jesus says "
"But that you may know that the Son of man has authority on earth to forgive sins" and then the people response to " When the crowds saw it, they were afraid, and they glorified God, who had given such authorithy to 'MEN'" (Mt 9:2-8) Which men Mark? Gospel of John chapter 20:20-23 tell us!
---Ruben on 11/10/11


Priest are not Advocates.
---Mark_V. on 11/10/11

Scripture disagrees with you:

Lev. 6:1-7
And he shall bring to the priest his guilt offering to the LORD.. and the 'Priest' shall make atonement for him before the Lord , and he shall be forgiven for any of the things which one may do and thereby become guilty."
In fact Mark, in the OT the people would go to the priests and not to God alone. Also remember Jesus said he did not come to abolish the law but to fulfill it...Cont
---Ruben on 11/10/11


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Sorry Ruben, only God forgives sins.
---Mark_V. on 11/10/11

Sorry Mark,God pass it on to 'Men':

"Many also of those who were now believers came, confessing"( Acts 19:18)

"To whom ye forgive any thing, I forgive also: for if I forgave any thing, to whom I forgave it, for your sakes forgave I it in the person of Christ." (2 Cor 2:10)-21st KJV

" All this is from God, who through Christ reconciled us to himself and gave us the ministry of reconciliation .. , and entrusting to us the message of reconciliation. So we are ambassadors for Christ, God making his appeal through us. We beseech you on behalf of Christ, be reconciled to God. " (2 Cor 5:17-20)
---Ruben on 11/10/11


Ruben, the passage doesn't have to tell me, I know because only God forgives sins against Him. Confessions in the Catholic Church are bogus, first, if you confess to the priest that you sinned against God, you don't have to confess to God, but to a sinner like you, Second, when you finish, the priest tells you how to pay penance, saying a couple of hail Mary's and our Fathers and wholla, you are clean by your own works. Sorry Ruben, only God forgives sins. Only the blood of Jesus can forgive your sins. No penance will ever do. You have to have faith in the works of Christ and believe by faith in His resurrection and that faith also comes from God. If you sin again, you have an Advocate in Christ Jesus. Priest are not Advocates.
---Mark_V. on 11/10/11


Cluny: 'You don't think that YOU have the authority to forgive sins, do you'

I don't have that impression, but I was wondering why Jesus said that - and so I posted this blog.

To forgive injustices against against me, I'm told to do. But that comment by Jesus seems possibly to go beyond that.......

What about the Orthodox priests?
---Peter on 11/9/11


Mark_V.* In John 20:23 "If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven them:" It does not say you have forgiven their sins, but that they are forgiven.

Yes it does Mark, "If you forgive sins of any"

Mark_V.*These verse does not give authority to Christians to forgive sins.

He gave authorithy to the Apostles. " So Jesus said to them again, Peace to you! As the Father has sent Me, I also send you.

Mark_V.* Jesus was saying that the believer can boldly declare the certainity of a sinner's forgiveness by the Father because of the work of His Son if that sinner has repented and believed the gospel.

Where in John 20:20-23 does it say that?
---Ruben on 11/9/11


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Peter, only God forgives the sins of man. When we sin against a brother or sister, they can forgive us, yet we need forgiveness from God for sinning.
In John 20:23 "If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven them:" It does not say you have forgiven their sins, but that they are forgiven. These verse does not give authority to Christians to forgive sins. Jesus was saying that the believer can boldly declare the certainity of a sinner's forgiveness by the Father because of the work of His Son if that sinner has repented and believed the gospel. The believer with certainty can also tell those who do not respond to the message of God's forgiveness through faith in Christ that their sins, as a result, are not forgiven.
---Mark_V. on 11/8/11


Peter, why is the post troublesome to you? Christ came to seek and save that which was lost. God forgives our sin thru Jesus Christ. Christ paid the debt for our sin. If we sin against a brother, we are to go to him and ask forgiveness. That is pretty cut and dry to me. Nothing about this is confusing. Please tell me why you are confused. Ask God to show you truths. God bless,
---shira4368 on 11/6/11


-shira4368: I have the same impression, but that particular passage is somewhat troublesome to me.

Can you suggest a reason why that is in the Bible - it does not really agree with our normal view salvation/retention of sins is nothing to do with humanity
---Peter on 11/6/11


God, thru Jesus Christ is the only one who can forgive a sinner. We can forgive one another for things that are done against us. God tells us to forgive over and over and over. If men could forgive sin, then why did Christ have to suffer to save the sinner.
---shira4368 on 11/6/11


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Jesus' Holy Spirit was not restricted to only his twelve disciples, but his Word is poured out for all peoples, for whomsoever will receive him. Follow God, and not what foolish churches feel. Jesus says: "Woe to you, teachers and Prideful ministers, hypocrites! for you all shut up the kingdom of heaven against persons: for you all neither go in, neither let you all them that are entering to go in."
---Eloy on 11/6/11


hahahaa, Cluny :D
i KNOW i have the authority to forgive sins :D
---kevin5443 on 11/1/11


Mat 5:23-24
Agree with thine adversary quickly, whiles thou art in the way with him, lest at any time the adversary deliver thee to the judge, and the judge deliver thee to the officer, and thou be cast into prison.
Mat 5:46-48.

And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.
For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:
But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.
1Jn_4:20!

For verily I say unto you, That many prophets and righteous men have desired to see those things which ye see, and have not seen them, and to hear those things which ye hear, and have not heard them.
Mar 4:11-12
Mar_4:13!
Mat_13:18?
---TheSeg on 11/1/11


John 20:23 Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them, [and] whose soever [sins] ye retain, they are retained.

Matthew 18:18 Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

This does not give any human the power to forgive sin. It gives the church the power to disipline those who sin. Examples: 1 Corinthians 5:5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.

God honours that decision made by the church because of this persons sin. It is bound on earth and in heaven.
---Francis on 10/31/11


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Using the Orthodox and Catholic faith as a yardstick to teaching the forgiveness of sin according to True Christianity and what Scripture declares is foolish. The Orthodox and Catholic faith is of the pagan descent. And paganism is definitely not of God, period.

Jesus NEVER mentioned that forgiveness of sin is only made effect by a pastor/priest. It is the duty of every Christian to indeed forgive those who sin against them just as the Father has forgiven them of their sins. Not only once but "Jesus saith unto him, I say not unto thee, Until seven times: but, Until seventy times seven." Matthew 18:22

Just as repentance is unto death, so to is forgiving your "brother" unto death.
---christan on 10/31/11


There may be forgiving that is in the hands of the leaders, but Jesus commands > "'And whenever you stand praying, if you have anything against anyone, forgive him, that your Father in heaven may also forgive you your trespasses.'" (Mark 11:25) Jesus in each of us forgives.

And, on the cross, Jesus prayed forgiveness to people who were hating and torturing Him, and then was when the criminal hanging next to Jesus gave himself to Jesus > Luke 23:34-43. So . . . prayer of forgiveness in "the Spirit of adoption" (Romans 8:15, Jude 20-21) can get evil people adopted to become our own Jesus brothers and sisters. And we are commanded to walk in love like Jesus on the cross has done > Ephesians 5:2.
---Bill_willa6989 on 10/30/11


Forgive us our sins as we forgive those who sin against us.
In His grip, 70x7
---Poppa_Bear on 10/30/11


You don't think that YOU have the authority to forgive sins, do you/

Are you THAT deluded?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/30/11


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