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Does the Bible anywhere hint of multi-million year development of the species?

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--Peter 11/4/11 (1/2)
I just retain hope that Rocky, if we speak to him with friendship, may also be persuaded.
Perhaps I am seeking the impossible, but I retain hope...
But I have hope for him.

Yes Peter SAVE ME SAVE ME
Do you really not realize how very condescending your post was?
Apparently you believe my lying attackers, despite how I showed they were lying.
Wait. What do I need you to save me from?
(continued)
---Rocky on 11/6/11


Peter 11/6/11 (1/2)
I confess I have also replied without thinking about it, and later found there was logic to what the other person said
First, I have not gotten angry as you implied, but responded with words appropriate to the lies and personal attacks. Second, it is wrong that you again chastise the victim and still have not addressed all the lies and derogatory personal attacks on me. Third, I wonder what logic you can find in these attacks:
you must excuse Rocky for not having any faith in God.
Rocky, you are all over the place liker a mad woman's breakfast
Rocky, your unbalanced postings
Rocky, You don't believe the Bible by faith
(continued)
---Rocky on 11/6/11


Rocky on 11/4/11: I do not wish to blame you, Warwick or anyone else for posting that seem unpleasant.

I just feel that we would be able to guide each other better if we (myself included) could read and consider each post without getting angry.

I confess I have also replied without thinking about it, and later found there was logic to what the other person said
---Peter on 11/6/11


It is up to me to decide for myself as to whether I consider you genuine or not.
--Warwick 11/4/11
Very true. And if you cannot answer a question you could simply so state. Or even if you choose not to respond, you can simply say you won't answer a question. Or you can choose like you did to ignore the question but, instead of admitting that you can't or won't respond, you make derogatory personal attacks to hide your choice not to answer. But I will not be a silent victim of your abusive personal attacks and will reveal and speak out against your lies like I did, for as long as you continue making them.
---Rocky on 11/6/11


--jerry6593 11/4/11
The fossil layers were formed by the cataclysmic turbidite action associated with the massive earthquake activity accompanying the universal flood.
--Rocky 11/4/11
Is this religious speculation or scientific fact? Can you provide an accessible reference?
Are you going to provide a source? I would like to read how all that rock formed so quickly and if it means there were dinosaurs on the Earth at the time of the flood. So many questions. Please provide a reference. This thread is almost full.
---Rocky on 11/6/11




Sample of lies posted by others just on this thread: (2/2)
Rocky, you are all over the place liker a mad woman's breakfast as they say.
--Warwick 11/4/11
I discern Rocky is not a genuine enquirer and treat him differently.
--Warwick 11/4/11
There is not a good faith basis for a single one of these attacks, as I showed when I responded to each one (see below). Most are intentional lies and wrongful attacks made in place of responding to honest questions asked of them. And there are many more similar and more despicable lies on other threads. I will continue to defend myself from such lies.
---Rocky on 11/6/11


And if a liar why would you be interested in my answers?
--Warwick 11/5/11
You are right. I am no longer interested in your answers. You have shown that you can regurgitate what you have read, but don't know enough to answer simple questions about the Bible and your beliefs. Moreover your repeated lies and personal attacks prove you don't practice Christianity so your speech is empty.
---Rocky on 11/6/11


I am convinced that there is a reason for everything that God does. He seems to go out of His way to associate His character, authority, and rulership with the fact that, unlike all the false gods, He is the singular Creator God, and that the token of His creatorship is the 6-day Creation and the holiness of His 7th-day Sabbath.

Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

Rev 14:7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him, for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.
---jerry6593 on 11/6/11


--Warwick 11/5/11
Rocky, your unbalanced postings since confirm for me the reasons I decided to cease corresponding
That's precious. I defend myself from your repeated lies and derogatory personal attacks and you call my posts unbalanced.
It started because your wouldn't answer questions:
--Warwick11/3/11
Rocky God's word spends 3 chapters telling us how the sedimantary rock layers containing the remains of billions of creatures, including man, were deposited.
I missed that. Which verses mention the sedimentary rock layers and billions of fossils?
God's word has no room for the story of billions of years and microbe to man evolution
Which is it? Does Bible have no room or spend 3 chapters on it?
---Rocky on 11/5/11


Rev 12:10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
Mat 15:18 But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart, and they defile the man.
Jam 3:9-10 Therewith bless we God, even the Father, and therewith curse we men, which are made after the similitude of God. Out of the same mouth proceedeth blessing and cursing. My brethren, these things ought not so to be.
Luke 6:28 Bless them that curse you, and pray for them which despitefully use you.
Rom 12:14 Bless them which persecute you: bless, and curse not.
---micha9344 on 11/5/11




Warwick 11/4/11 (3/3)
This is not intended as a put down, but only a statement of reality.
Now that is a preface for a put-down if ever I saw one. You lie again. Your whole post is intended as another put-down, and a very repetitious one at that. You still don't the on-topic questions I posted from the start of the thread but instead write another put-down.
Yes, some of my later questions became more aggressive, but only after I had to start defending myself from your repeated lies and despicable personal attacks, as shown in your respective posts.
Excuse me for being impolite but I refuse to kindly overlook and accept your continuing lies, distortions, and put-downs.
---Rocky on 11/5/11


Lord bless your heart Rocky.
--Poppa Bear 11/4/11
And may he bless you as well. All is good between us.
---Rocky on 11/5/11


--Warwick 11/4/11
This is not intended as a put down...
Rocky, I do not consider you to be genuine
don't wish to continue writing
Your problem, including your many constant agressive questions
you are not prepared to accept Scripture as Jesus and the apostles did.
should be good enough for you. But it isn't is it?
And there lies your problem

How could anyone think that was intended to be a put down? They would have to be foolish to think that "not genuine, don't wish to write, your problem, constant aggressive questions, isn't good enough for you, your problem, again" could possibly be a put-down. Thank you for your ringing endorsement and support.
---Rocky on 11/5/11


Rocky, your unbalanced postings since confirm for me the reasons I decided to cease corresponding with you.

Someone else may be prepared to answer your many questions. Why should I, whom you consider a liar, do so? And if a liar why would you be interested in my answers?
---Warwick on 11/5/11


We won't get any answers if we are impolite.
--Peter 11/4/11
If you review this thread from the start, youll see I asked many polite questions, on-topic and about the posts. Theyre good questions on important topics that might interest many. A few were answered, more were just ignored, and many of the latter were replaced with personal attacks on myself as part of evading the answers. I know you are trying to be gentle, but in directing more of your comments at me and just patronizingly telling them to be nice to me, you are ignoring the fact that they are the ones with problems, not me. They are being dishonest by evading questions, lying, and making wrongful personal attacks.
---Rocky on 11/4/11


Warwick 11/4/11 (1/3)
Rocky, I do not consider you to be genuine so don't wish to continue writing.
Another lie. You say that then write 9 more sentences to me, none that NEED to be written, most repeating old attacks, obviously making a lie of the first statement.
I asked you "How do you know the Bible was written by men?" Could you please answer the question, as asked?
I may answer it after you answer the approximately 10 other questions I already asked you on the subject of the Bible, some several times, then you either ignored or only responded to with personal attacks.
(continued)
---Rocky on 11/4/11


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Warwick 11/4/11 (2/3)
Your problem, including your many constant agressive questions comes because you're not prepared to accept Scripture as Jesus and the apostles did.
More lies. How do those questions, which I already asked of you, show I'm not prepared to accept scriptures or they're aggressive?
Please cite scriptures where Jesus specifically said the creation story is literally true.
Which verses mention sedimentary rock layers and billions of fossils?
What does it mean when you write you take the Bible at "face value" but not literally? Is it inerrant? Infallible?
If you don't take it literally, then couldn't the creation story be not literal?
(continued)
---Rocky on 11/4/11


Sample of lies posted by others just on this thread: (1/2)
That Jesus and the apostles took it at face value is good enough for me. And should be good enough for you. But it isn't is it? And there lies your problem.
--Warwick 11/3/11
Rocky, I read many of your posts and cant figure out if you are an intellectual masquerading as a Christian, or a Christian trying to be an intellectual. It seems more than not, you doubt the writings in the bible more than you believe them
--Poppa Bear 11/3/11
Rocky: Your lack of knowledge on historical geology could fill volumes.
(continued)
---Rocky on 11/4/11


\\I dont think that its inerrant nor all meant to be understood literally.\\

I prefer to use the word "indefectible."

The Bible does not fail to do what it sets out to do.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 11/4/11


--Peter 11/4/11
I understand your problems with the Bible
I have no problems with the Bible. I believe that for the most part it's true and infallible in the important aspects of teaching us about Jesus and his message, particularly the path to Salvation. Like many Christians, I dont think that its inerrant nor all meant to be understood literally. Nowhere in the Bible does it itself, or any of its contributors, say that its literal, inerrant, or infallible. Jesus gave us the Spirit for guidance and never mentioned a Bible. When I give those who think it is inerrant a chance to answer question, they wont, instead making despicable, lying personal attacks on me. I will defend myself from their lies.
---Rocky on 11/4/11


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Rocky: 'you are not the genuine enquirer.'

Please, Rocky, let's try to all be polite about this

We won't get any answers if we are impolite.

I will try to be polite to you, and I hope we can all be polite to each other

I understand your problems with the Bible, for I want through a similar time of wondering 'how' and 'why'

Even now I get stuck and think 'can this be possible?'.

At those times I remember other things I thought impossible and now accept, and remind myself that I can't understand all of what God does, so I should trust Him

Maybe that does not help you, but it's what I use on myself
---Peter on 11/4/11


Mark, no apology necessary.

Regarding Genesis 3:22 we can only speculate what properties God gave "the tree of life" but He says if Adam continued to eat from it he would "live forever."

The tree of life is again mentioned in Revelation 2:7 "..... I will give the right to eat from the tree of life, which is in the paradise of God."

The whole verse of Genesis 3:22 is interesting "And the LORD God said, "The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil...."

I believe this is an example of the council of the tri-une Godhead. "The man has now become like one of us." Who are the "us" other than the two other members of the Godhead?
---Warwick on 11/4/11


Questions Warwick considers not genuine and never answered from this thread (1/2)
--Warwick 11/2/11
Why therefore would any Christian believe an unproven story which is contrary to Gods revealed Truth?
Why do you equate "Gods word" to the Bible when theyre obviously two different things?
--Warwick 11/3/11
God's word spends 3 chapters telling us how the sedimantary rock layers containing the remains of billions of creatures, including man, were deposited.
.Which verses mention sedimentary rock layers and billions of fossils?
God's word has no room for the story of billions of years and microbe to man evolution
Which is it? Does Bible have no room or spend 3 chapters on it?
(continued)
---Rocky on 11/4/11


Lord bless your heart Rocky. Just keep chipping away. I will try not to send any more personal remarks in your direction. Continue to exercise your logic on here and I will try to stay on the other side of the road. Sometimes things just rub us the wrong way, we cant always put our finger on it, and it seems that way with some of your views. It doesnt mean your even wrong, I just, well, I will leave it at that and remember that youre more than a few posts on a blog, but hopefully a Brother in Christ seeking His will. Hope you can forgive a Bear.
In His grip
---Poppa_Bear on 11/4/11


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More Warwick Questions never answered (2/2)
--Warwick 11/3/11
Its demonstrable fact Jesus and the aposles quoted from, or referred to the first 11 chapters of Genesis 107 times-always as historical fact.
So? Please cite scriptures where Jesus specifically said creation story is literally true.
BTW I dont take Scripture literally, but at face value, unless there is some reason to do otherwise.
What does that mean? Are they inerrant? Infallible?
If you don't take it literally, then couldntt the creation story be not literally true? How do you decide which parts are literally true and which are not?
---Rocky on 11/4/11


Rocky, I do not consider you to be genuine so don't wish to continue writing.

I asked you "How do you know the Bible was written by men?" Could you please answer the question, as asked?

"That Jesus and the apostles took it at face value is good enough for me. And should be good enough for you. But it isn't is it? And there lies your problem."

This is not intended as a put down, but only a statement of reality. Your problem, including your many constant agressive questions comes because you are not prepared to accept Scripture as Jesus and the apostles did.

It is up to me to decide for myself as to whether I consider you genuine or not.
---Warwick on 11/4/11


Warwick: 'Where do you imagine sedimentary rock came from?'

I'm afraid I have no idea!

Reading back over my comment, I see I owe you an apology, it was late night and I was too abrupt.

It seems reasonable that death came after sin, but I have a problem with that. In Gen 3:22 'of the tree of life, and live forever'. I find that confusing. If prior to Adam's sin man was to live forever, why should God even place a tree of life if man had life eternal?

Perhaps you could help me with that?
---Mark on 11/4/11


Warwick 11/4/11 More
How do you know the Bible was written by men?
Who else? Are you suggesting God or Angels personally wrote it? All the thousands of different manuscripts?
What put down?
Your put down was obvious when you wrote:
That Jesus and the apostles took it at face value is good enough for me. And should be good enough for you. But it isn't is it? And there lies your problem.
Its too late to play innocent. And sadly you still would not respond to my simple request that you:
Please cite the scriptures where Jesus specifically said the creation story is literally true.
or What does it mean when you write you take the Bible at "face value" but not literally?
---Rocky on 11/4/11


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-- Warwick 11/4/11 (1/2)
I discern Rocky is not a genuine enquirer and treat him differently.However Rocky asks many questions (6 in just one of his blogs) and rejects any answer given.
On what basis do you say I am not an genuine enquirer? I have asked many genuine questions about posts and responded to most asked of me.
What is wrong in asking 6 related questions in one blog? Those were legitimate questions about Bible errancy I asked you and similar questions of Poppa Bear. Readers can scroll down and see all the genuine questions I asked. Since you did not answer them, seems more like you are not the genuine enquirer.
---Rocky on 11/4/11


Warwick, I understand you of course.

I just retain hope that Rocky, if we speak to him with friendship, may also be persuaded.

Perhaps I am seeking the impossible, but I retain hope and wish to answer him with courtesy.

He retains enough logic,he merely uses his logic in ways that we disagree with. But I have hope for him. If you feel the best is not to reply, I accept that perfectly.

Blessings be with you always
---Peter on 11/4/11


-- Warwick 11/4/11 (2/2)
and rejects any answer given.
--Rocky 11/2/11 responding to andy
I fully agree, which is why
I reject any answer given? Another lie, and we need go no further than this thread to prove it as shown above..
Tell the truth - you don't want to answer the legitimate questions I asked so you ignore me and lie by saying I am not a genuine enquirer. But anyone reviewing my posts just on this thread can see the truth that I have a lot of genuine questions including some that you refuse to answer. I am more "genuine" than you. Shame on you for another bogus, unchristian, personal attack and for lying again.
---Rocky on 11/4/11


JIM 11/4/11 on Is Bible Trustworthy
you must excuse Rocky for not having any faith in God. Rocky just seems to have a hard time believing that God had anything to do with how the bible was written or how it was put together.
Andy3996 11/4/11 on What are Concubines
Rocky please do not pull my answers out of context for arguement sake.
Add two more liars, JIM and andy3996 to the list already posted of recent (just in last two days) bogus personal attacks by Poppa Bear, jerry6593 and Warwick. For more details on the two new ones just go to the subject threads listed.
I ask again, why do so many Christians on this site lie like this?
---Rocky on 11/4/11


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Mark, re-read my comments of 3/11

I explained (from a Biblical perspective) that death came only after sin. Therefore the deaths recorded in world-wide fossil layers occured after sin.

What is there in Scripture to explains how this occurred? Read Genesis ch. 6-8-the world-wide flood of Noah. As Genesis ch. 7 says (5 times) all land-dwelling air-breathing creatures (except those on the ark) died. Where are these untold billions of creatures buried? In sediment which became sedimentary rock.

This is what Scripture says, and what I believe. You will never make me embarassed about this.

Where do you imagine sedimentary rock came from?

You suggest we avoid Biblical truth in case it bothers people!
---Warwick on 11/4/11


Peter, there is a great difference between you and Rocky. You were enquiring and reacted appropriately to what people wrote. People here discerned you were looking for answers.

I discern Rocky is not a genuine enquirer and treat him differently.

I believe I am scientifically literate, have a good knowledge of Scripture. At least that is what my peers say. However Rocky asks many questions (6 in just one of his blogs) and rejects any answer given.

I choose to answer him no longer. I think it a waste of time. It never was with you. I am the same person.
---Warwick on 11/4/11


Let's be kind to Rocky too
--Peter 11/4/11
Thank you, Peter, but I am not asking for kindness. However, I have asked, as a minimum, that the posters who have been lying and making false attacks would discontinue such dishonest and deceitful behavior. And I am not talking about doctrinal disagreements or differences of opinions. I am talking about people apparently claiming to be Christians who intentionally post obvious lies and other deceitful statements. Apparently they forget it is only themselves they hurt with such behavior, such is often the nature of sin.
It would be nice if they answered some of the questions I ask about discussion topics, or, if they don't know the answers, to so state.
---Rocky on 11/4/11


--Poppa Bear 11/3/11
Rocky, I read many of your posts and cant figure out if youre an intellectual masquerading as a Christian, or a Christian trying to be an intellectual.
Warwick 11/4/11
Rocky, youre all over the place liker a mad woman's breakfast
--jerry6593 11/4/11
Your lack of knowledge on historical geology could fill volumes.
All I've tried to do repeatedly is ask about the topic, including posters' beliefs in a literal or inerrant Bible. Almost without exception people choose not to answer simple questions about their basic beliefs. Instead of just saying "I dont know" they cover by responding with vague, personal, unchristian attacks that don't further discussion of the issues.
---Rocky on 11/4/11


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Quoted (I think Rock from someone else)

'Do we do anything on here to strengthen others walk?'

I fear that some posts, of which this is one, are more damaging that helpful.

If you feel Rocky is in error, don't be insulting, just explain the points, one by one, and see how much you can help.

A gentle answer turns away wrath Prov 15.1

Lets keep our comments friendly, please

Warwick, I remember your kind explanations when I was unsure about creation, and needed your guidance

Thank you, Warwick.

Let's be kind to Rocky too

Blessings to everyone here
---Peter on 11/4/11


Poppa Bear 11/3/11
cant figure out if you are an intellectual masquerading as a Christian, or a Christian trying to be an intellectual. It seems more than not, you doubt the writings in the bible more than you believe them
Poppa Bear 11/4/11
Rocky, may have been a put down, or maybe food for thought?
Clearly you were putting me down. Food for thought? Surely you could have come up with better evasion. You were accusing me of being too "intellectual" so you were giving me food for thought? Ridiculous.
Do we do anything on here to strengthen others walk, or just create doubt and confusion?
You kind of put down and attack does not strengthen others' walk.
---Rocky on 11/4/11


Poppa Bear 11/4/11 (con't)
Have you even read 1 complete work on the inerrancy of scripture?
Yes. Wikipedia. And yet from what I have read, there and other places, it is obvious that it is likely not inerrant.
Do you believe it is literal, inerrant, or infallible? Why?
Where does the Bible ever say that it is literal, inerrant, or infallible?
Or even mention itself as a compiled work?
Why did Jesus tell us he would leave the Spirit to guide us but never mentioned leaving a Bible?
Why believe the Bible is literal when Hebrews did not believe that about the Torah, the basis for the OT?
---Rocky on 11/4/11


Rocky, may have been a put down, or maybe food for thought? When we place mighty acts of God on a literal or not chopping block, anything can go. Was the Red Sea really parted, the 7 plagues literal, the walls of Jericho really fall, Manna come down from heaven? On and on until, did Jesus really rise from the dead??? Pick and choose, embrace, or explain away. Man made or God made? The subjective rhetoric that pulls at the foundations of the Living Gods message is a dangerous venture to pursue. Have you even read 1 complete work on the inerrancy of scripture? If so, pleas state which one. Do we do anything on here to strengthen others walk, or just create doubt and confusion?
---Poppa_Bear on 11/4/11


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--jerry6593 11/4/11
The fossil layers were formed by the cataclysmic turbidite action associated with the massive earthquake activity accompanying the universal flood.
Is this religious speculation or scientific fact? Can you provide an accessible reference?
Rocky: Your lack of knowledge on historical geology could fill volumes.
My lack of knowledge on may subjects could fill volumes. However your choice to start your post with a put-down calls into question your motives and entire post.
---Rocky on 11/4/11


Warwick 11/4/11
Rocky, you are all over the place liker a mad woman's breakfast as they say. Further you are under the misapprehension that I have to prove things to you! I don't.
I ask you simple and genuine questions about your statements. Why do you fly into a personal attack on me instead of answering the questions? I thought this was a site for discussion? Why wont you answer simple questions about your posts? For instance you stated:
God's word spends 3 chapters telling us how the sedimantary rock layers containing the remains of billions of creatures, including man, were deposited.
I asked: Which verses mention the sedimentary rock layers and billions of fossils?
Why not answer?
---Rocky on 11/4/11


Warwick,
Why refuse to answer the other simple questions I asked earlier, specifically:
Why do you equate "Gods word" to the Bible when they are obviously two different things?
Please cite the scriptures where Jesus specifically said the creation story is literally true.
What does it mean when you write you take the Bible at "face value" but not literally? Is it inerrant? Infallible?
If you don't take it literally, then could not the creation story be not literally true? How do you decide which parts are literally true and which are not?
Please cite the scriptures where Jesus specifically said the creation story is literally true.
And I add the new question:
Why do you refuse to explain what you wrote?
---Rocky on 11/4/11


--Warwick wrote on 11/3/11
Rocky God's word spends 3 chapters telling us how the sedimantary rock layers containing the remains of billions of creatures, including man, were deposited.
On another post by Warwick on 11/3/11
God's word has no room for the story of billions of years and microbe to man evolution
Which is it? Does the Bible have no room or spend 3 chapters on it?
Why refuse to answer this and other questions? Why do you make statements you can't support?
---Rocky on 11/4/11


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christan, please respond to my earlier question on this thread. Why do you attribute the concept of "multi-million development of the species" to Satan?
---Rocky on 11/4/11


Warwick: 'God's word spends 3 chapters telling us how the sedimantary rock layers containing the remains of billions of creatures, including man, were deposited.'

While I accept the new earth idea, I am disappointed by this comment. The Bible does not say that. It shows how it is possible for SEDIMENT, not necessarily sedimentary rock, could have been laid down quickly.

SEDIMENT AND ROCK ARE NOT THE SAME!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Your view (that sediment equals sedimentary rock) is no better than the Catholic "PROOF" that the sun rotates around the earth (Galileo)

If we post stuff like this, the world will become atheist as the atheists will explain reality better
---Mark on 11/4/11


Rocky, you are all over the place liker a mad woman's breakfast as they say. Further you are under the misapprehension that I have to prove things to you! I don't.

I have told you what I believe and why I believe it. Whether you agree or not is not top of my list.

How do you know the Bible was written by men?

If you believe the world-wide fossil-bearing sedimentary rocks are "consistent with geological theories" you are free to believe so.

What put down?
---Warwick on 11/4/11


Rocky: Your lack of knowledge on historical geology could fill volumes. You, like Darwin, are stuck in the mistaken belief that the fossil layers were laid down gradually on the ocean floor over a long period of time. They were not. We have explored the ocean floor rather thoroughly since Darwin, and there is no layer of fossil formation at the bottom - scavenging fish eat anything that dies there. The fossil layers were formed by the cataclysmic turbidite action associated with the massive earthquake activity accompanying the universal flood. The gravels in each of these layers is always sorted from large-to-small, and is thus proof of turbidic action.
---jerry6593 on 11/4/11


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All over the world we see great depths of sedimentary rock which contains countless dead creatures, deposited under deep flowing water. This is consistent with God's account of the world-wide flood.
--Warwick 11/3/11
It is consistent with geological theories about the formation of the Earth with land masses rising in elevation out of the water after the sedimentation was deposited. The many layers, each with different animals and fossils and different rock composition, is not consistent with a single flood, particularly with the smaller organisms on the bottom and larger on top.
---Rocky on 11/4/11


Warwick, further the Bible was written by the hands of men. The initial translators that put everything in Greek were men. Those who copied the manuscripts many times, creating numerous copying differences between manuscripts, were men. The decisions on what books to include in and exclude from the Bible, and which manuscripts or parts of manuscripts to use, were all men. The people that later decided to change the books in the Bible were men. The Bible was translated into over 400 languages, by people. The Bible is the word of God, and other narratives, recorded, copied, compiled, and translated by humans susceptible to human error and ego.
---Rocky on 11/4/11


Rocky, I read many of your posts and cant figure out if you are an intellectual masquerading as a Christian, or a Christian trying to be an intellectual.
--Poppa Bear 11/3/11
Either way, it is a very unChristian put down, and both very wrong. As I have said before, I believe that the Bible is, for the most part, accurate and a reliable guide to Jesus and the method of salvation. You are very wrong when you say I doubt the writing more than I believe them. But still it is a book put together by man and subject to human error. I believe that it is highly likely the creation story is allegory.
---Rocky on 11/3/11


--Warwick 11/3/11
It is demonstrable fact Jesus and the aposles quoted from, or referred to the first 11 chapters of Genesis 107 times-always as historical fact.
So? Please cite the scriptures where Jesus specifically said the creation story is literally true.
BTW I do not take Scripture literally, but at face value, unless there is some reason to do otherwise.
What does that mean? Are they inerrant? Infallible?
If you don't take it literally, then could not the creation story be not literally true? How do you decide which parts are literally true and which are not?
But it isn't is it? And there lies your problem.
And you choose to end with another put down, very unChristian.
---Rocky on 11/3/11


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Jerry, I don't know if it induces insanity, though that may be. However it does induce mental instability and animosity towards those who accept God at His word. We see it openly diplayed here.
---Warwick on 11/3/11


Rocky I trust God's word not any man's opinions.

God's word says death entered the world only after Adam's sin, as a penalty for sin. Therefore if we see the remains of dead creatures we know they died post Adam's sin.

Because of the sin of man God wiped all air-breathing land-dwelling creatures off the face of the whole earth via the flood- "all the high mountains under the entire heavens were covered."

All over the world we see great depths of sedimentary rock which contains countless dead creatures, deposited under deep flowing water. This is consistent with God's account of the world-wide flood.
---Warwick on 11/3/11


Rocky, I read many of your posts and cant figure out if you are an intellectual masquerading as a Christian, or a Christian trying to be an intellectual. It seems more than not, you doubt the writings in the bible more than you believe them, just an observation. I have a friend who is that way, he doesnt want to be penned down by a book that he feels is flawed. He likes to have a belief system that he has put together on his own more or less. It is an interesting dance to watch. For me, the Bible is much more reliable than my flawed judgement and I do believe that its Gods message to us.
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---Poppa_Bear on 11/3/11


Rocky those who consider Genesis 1-3 as hypomythopoeticallegoricity do not get this from Scripture, only from man's antiBiblical philosophies.

It is demonstrable fact Jesus and the aposles quoted from, or referred to the first 11 chapters of Genesis 107 times-always as historical fact.

Who do we trust? Jesus the Creator who was there and those chosen to represent His to the world or falible sinful man whose stories constantly change?

I choose God.

BTW I do not take Scripture literally, but at face value, unless there is some reason to do otherwise. That Jesus and the apostles took it at face value is good enough for me. And should be good enough for you.

But it isn't is it? And there lies your problem.
---Warwick on 11/3/11


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Warwick: "Some are able to hold the two conflicting beliefs of Biblical creation and evolution in tension, in their minds. But in time most begin to reject more and more of Scripture."

Doesn't forcing the merger of conflicting paradigms in the mind cause insanity? Kinda makes you wonder, doesn't it?
---jerry6593 on 11/3/11


--Warwick 11/3/11
Rocky God's word spends 3 chapters telling us how the sedimantary rock layers containing the remains of billions of creatures, including man, were deposited.
I missed that part. Which verses mention the sedimentary rock layers and billions of fossils?
Do they think they know more than God?
Why waste space on stupid questions? Have no facts to present or decent questions to ask?
On another post by Warwick on 11/3/11
God's word has no room for the story of billions of years and microbe to man evolution
Wow! Which is it? Does the Bible have no room or spend 3 chapters on it? Does "Gods word" confuse you?
---Rocky on 11/3/11


Why therefore would any Christian believe an unproven story which is contrary to Gods revealed Truth?
--Warwick 11/2/11
Why? Why ask why? You know why. Not all Christians are sure the Bible should be taken literally and recognize that the creation story may be allegorical.
Why do you equate "Gods word" to the Bible when they are obviously two different things?
---Rocky on 11/3/11


Rocky God's word spends 3 chapters telling us how the sedimantary rock layers containing the remains of billions of creatures, including man, were deposited.

Why would Christians believe otherwise. Do they think they know more than God? Or do they think they can pick and choose what they are prepared to believe?
---Warwick on 11/3/11


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Isn't the only Truth what God's word says, and not the changing stories of man?

God's word has no room for the story of billions of years and microbe to man evolution. Why therefore would any Christian believe an unproven story which is contrary to Gods revealed Truth?
---Warwick on 11/2/11


1 Kings 18:21 And Elijah came unto all the people, and said, How long halt ye between two opinions? if the LORD [be] God, follow him: but if Baal, [then] follow him. And the people answered him not a word.
--If you search your hearts and minds, you will find that your letting man's thoughts affect your interpretation of God's Word, just as the northern kingdom let idols and false gods creep in to slowly replace the One True and Living God.
---micha9344 on 11/2/11


\\No, that is the foolish imagination of unregenerate man, neither are there easter bunnies, santy clauses, tooth fairies, nor dinosuars.
---Eloy on 11/2/11\\

Or like insisting that "concubine" means "maid friend"?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 11/2/11


I'm convinced that at the end our scientific opinion will have about nothing to do with our salvation.
--andy3996 11/2/11
I fully agree, which is why I have said I am not certain which story is true but I don't waste much time or any worry on it.
---Rocky on 11/2/11


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Rocky there are some good scientific studies (not Christian)who deny the acuracy of the different strata.
look on I-net you'll be surprised.
some are done by scientists who accept the evoltion.

personally i know GOD CREATED all things in seven literal days, on the other hand i also know bible loyal Christians that don't reject all of evolution just like that. i'm convinced that at the end our scientific opinion will have about nothing to do with our salvation.
---andy3996 on 11/2/11


When was the last time you saw a programme which gave glory to God as creator? Never, I imagine.
*****

Amen

how could the world give glory to GOD as the divine creator of all when it is swimming in pagan events and openly honoring Satan like this past halloween did as it becomes more popular

hollywood openly serves Satan witchcraft and all things demonic - rarely a movie that does not allude to demons and half of the nightly programming on tv does too

Christ Apostles and True Believers do not promote a "multi-million year development of the species"
- is this another SATANIC teaching?
---Rhonda on 11/2/11


No, that is the foolish imagination of unregenerate man, neither are there easter bunnies, santy clauses, tooth fairies, nor dinosuars.
---Eloy on 11/2/11


But I'm sure if you look at Satan's unholy bible, you should be able to find the "multi-million development of the species".
--christan 11/1/11
Why do you attribute it to Satan? If not evolution, then God directly created that extensive fossil record all carefully organized in a particular order in various rock strata throughout the entire world. So if evolution is not true, God provided the evidence for the lie not Satan. Your attack is similar to the Christian attacks on those who said the Sun did not revolve around the Earth.
---Rocky on 11/2/11


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Darlene, "..Your enemy the devil prowls around like a roaring lion looking for someone to devour" 1 Peter 5:8. Lions rarely hunt, but but roar to drive prey towards hidden lionesses.

Christians confronted with something plainly Satanic flee, but often don't see the subtle evolution trap.

When was the last time you saw a programme which gave glory to God as creator? Never, I imagine.

Long-ages/evolution is the assumed truth indoctrinated via the media and educational facilities, convincing people the Bible is a fable. Some are able to hold the two conflicting beliefs of Biblical creation and evolution in tension, in their minds. But in time most begin to reject more and more of Scripture.
---Warwick on 11/2/11


ok Jerry, you allready know the answer
---andy3996 on 11/2/11


Darlene: While I appreciate your sentiments, the fact that in addition to being our savior, Jesus Himself was the Creator in the Garden of Eden as well as the author of the Ten Commandments in stone lends an air of spirituality to this subject. If Cluny, for instance, really cared about glorifying Jesus, he wouldn't infer that Jesus was wrong when He wrote that He made the world in 6 days and commanded us to join Him in resting the 7th day of the week. This blog serves to confront all who claim to abide by orthodox Bible teachings, while also adhering to UNorthodox man-made theories.
---jerry6593 on 11/2/11


Jerry 6593,in the scope of what God did for humans by sending Jesus and giving us the gift of Eternal Life,evolution is completely unimportant. God created Heaven and Earth and all upon it,God gave us his son to die for our sins,God gave us the Gifts of the Holy Ghost and Eternal Life and many other related things. That is what we need to concentrate on the Kingdom of God and the Gospel of Jesus. In Texas some people would say what you are doing is "trying to beat an old dead horse around the barn",you get no where. Do not let your heart be troubled or your mind occupied with such Spiritually useless information. Blessings
---Darlene_1 on 11/1/11


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You're really fixated on and obsessed with this subject, aren't you, jerry?

Why?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 11/1/11


Historians (believers and non-believers) has got according to their calculations from the book of Genesis when God created the heavens and the earth to be that of about six thousand years.

But I'm sure if you look at Satan's unholy bible, you should be able to find the "multi-million development of the species". Many of his "prophets" are busy at this present time trying to deny God His glory in His creation.
---christan on 11/1/11


\\Does the Bible anywhere hint of multi-million year development of the species?\\

In the verse right after it tells you to use the computer.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 11/1/11


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