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What Is The Ministry Of Death

Why is the 10 commandments called the ministry of death and condemnation in 2 Corinthians 3:7,9? We were always taught to observe the 10 commandments to be good little boys and girls.

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"Speaking in broad sense, there is no salvation without obedience to God and His Laws." Nana
---christan on 11/4/11
Hardly the same things
I do not feel victimized. I just think that people who claim to be christians must be honest and sinsere in all things. When i see posting which are not true, I question the sinserity of the person. I also know that we can at time take people out of context

There cannot be a good discussion without honesty and sinserity. If we missunderstand another, we should say so. I gaurantee that NANA will say that that post did not mean that salvation is earned by obedience. I take it to mean that those who are disobedient to God will not be recieptiants of his grace
---Francis on 11/5/11


Francis // I have NEVER seen anyone here say that they obey the law for salvation.

It is clearly taught in the SDA Investigative Judgment doctrine which states that every believer will be examined based upon his works to determine if the believer is eligible to merit eternal salvation.

The SDA IJ is the major reason many many many ministers, theologians and others have left that denomination.
---lee1538 on 11/5/11


---Mark_V. on 11/5/11

Agree
---Chria9396 on 11/5/11


Gal 3:2-3,12 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?...And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.
Romans 14:23b for whatsoever [is] not of faith is sin.
Romans 6:7-8 For he that is dead is freed from sin. Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:
---micha9344 on 11/5/11


"... observe the 10 commandments to be good little boys and girls."
lee1538 on 11/1/11

You can't speak to a child in broad terms, only in specifics one term at a time.
A child is earthly,
John 3:12 "... earthly things, ..., how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?"
"he that is of the earth is earthly, and speaketh of the earth"
"What shall we do then?" (Luke)
"He that hath two coats"
"he that hath meat"
"Exact no more ..."
"Do violence to no man, neither accuse any falsely, and be content with your wages."

Never to forget it ..., (Hebrews 5:12)

"..thy gift before the altar.."
---Nana on 11/5/11




When one uses Scripture to say, "We have been predestined to be Holy and blameless..", does one come from the angle that God has predestined everyone or some? Meaning, was Christ's atonement limited to only those whom God has chosen or it has been offered to everyone?

If your point and reference is of the latter, then everyone born into this world should indeed be going to heaven, right? How is it that God has already "predestined" someone to be Holy and that person can still resist His Almighty will and reject Him and end up in the Lake of Fire?

Learn the true meaning of "predestined" before using it to insult the Almighty will of God, that He can still be thwarted by a creature made of dust.
---christan on 11/5/11


At Sinai God wrote his ten commandments on tables of stone. The given of the ten commandments,(which if violated is sin, and sin leads to death) was accomplished with such glory, that when Moses came down the mountain the Israelites could not even look at him. But that glory had to pass awy. When you think about God writing his laws in our hearts, is that not more glorious than God writing his laws on tables of stone? If the old testement system of promises of salvation was glorious, how much more gloriuos is God's offer of salvation today now that that OT promises have been fulfiled and ratified by Jesus Christ. If that which lasted a shorty time was glorious, how much more glorious is that which lasts forever.
---francis on 11/5/11


Francis, was I referring to you specifically? But since you want me to give you an example, here's one that's fresh from the oven for you - "Speaking in broad sense, there is no salvation without obedience to God and His Laws." Nana

Anyway, why do you feel victimized when I posted the blog? Did I specifically mention your name in the blog as to who I was writing to or do you actually feel that you're one of those who I was generally mentioning about "works for salvation and righteousness"?
---christan on 11/4/11


You guys say it one way, others say it another,

We have been predestind to be HOLY AND WITHOUT blame before Him, predestined to be conformed to His Image.

Jesus certainly was not a liar murderer, et.

And really folks, does anyone need a PHD in common sense to understand this?

If in fact our old man is Crucified wiith Christ, AND our New Man is walking in the Spirit IN CHRIST..we won't continue in sinful bahavior now will we. If in fact the Law points out sinful behavior...

BUT concerning the Sabbath..Now that we are New Creatures, our Sabbath is also of a higher order...not one day a week, but 365/24/7, which is actually more difficult. Every minute of our lives should be kept HOLY.
---kathr4453 on 11/5/11


Leej, 2 Cor. 3: the false teachers at Corinth were constantly attacking the Competency of Paul teachings. They accused him of not having the appropiate documents to prove his legitimacy. But the transformed lives of the Corinthian believers lives were like an open letter that could be seen and read by all men as a testimony to Paul's faithfulness and the Truth of his message. The false teachers did not have a letter of commendation signed by Christ, but Paul had the Corinthian believers changed lives as proof that Christ had transformed them. His letter was not written with ink that could fade away. It was a living One. Paul's letter was alive, written by Christ's divine supernatural power through the transforming work of the Holy Spirit.
---Mark_V. on 11/5/11




they misinterpret the message and continue in their foolish believe of a lie of obedience to the law for salvation. ---christan on 11/4/11

I wish you would psot ONE POST from anyone who believes obedience to the law for salvation.

I have seen many disagreement here. That is to be expected we all have different beliefs on some things. I have NEVER seen anyone here say that they obey the law for salvation


I have seen many people accuse others who obey the law of obeying the law for salvation, but i have never seen anyone claim that they obey for salvation

BE MORE CAREFUKL Proverbs 14:18 The simple inherit folly: but the prudent are crowned with knowledge.
---francis on 11/4/11


But here's the deal, of coarse when we wlak in the Spirit and manifest the fruit of teh Spirit, we can't break the Law at the same time.

So, walking in the Spirit is walking on Higher Ground.

Only the New Creature can walk in this Higher Ground.

I think we both can agree on that point. Walk in the spirit and you won't give way to the flesh.

God Bless!
---kathr4453 on 11/4/

AAAAAAAAAMEN!
---francis on 11/4/11


"Many simply ... continue in their foolish believe of a lie of obedience to the law for salvation."
christan

"Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God."

Romans 6:16 "Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey, whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

Speaking in broad sense, there is no salvation without obedience to God and His Laws
---Nana on 11/4/11


Francis, atleast you do understand the chapter is about GLORY. AMEN.

But here's teh deal, of coarse when we wlak in the Spirit and manifest the fruit of teh Spirit, we can't break the Law at the same time.


BUT whaat is so awesome about teh fruit of the Spirit, is that THAT is what is conforming us to His Image. So, walking in the Spirit is walking on Higher Ground.

Only the New Creature can walk in this Higher Ground.

I think we both can agree on that point. Walk in the spirit and you won't give way to the flesh.

God Bless!
---kathr4453 on 11/4/11


Francis, In the NT we are sanctified once and for all through the Body of Christ.

LeeJ asks questions ONLY to beat and bash people .It's ALL he knows...unfortunately.

TODAY we are saved BY GRACE through Faith. Same faith as Abel, but GRACE here is Jesus death and resurrection life and the Spirit of GRACE that abides in us.

Those saved by GRACE in Galatians fell from GRACE and went back, after salvation,under Law as a way of life.

Paul rebuked them. and explains what the purpose of the Law was. In our Heart is LOVE, JOY, PEACE, Longsuffering, Gentelness, Kindness against such there is no Law.

God Glory is manifest through us when we walk in the Spirit and the fruit of the Spirit is manifest.
---kathr4453 on 11/4/11


This issue of the ten commandments never cease to amuse. Many simply do not read the Scripture and even when they do, they misinterpret the message and continue in their foolish believe of a lie of obedience to the law for salvation. Here's why:

1. Did God deliver Israel from Egypt because they obeyed His ten commandments? Or did God deliver them from Egypt first and then gave His people the ten commandments outside of Egypt?

2. Was the ten commandments given to Israel to remind them of who God really was and who they were before Him or for them to attain righteousness through the obedience of the Law?

3. According to Paul, the Law had only ONE purpose, "the knowledge of sin".
---christan on 11/4/11


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If the old testement system of promises of salvation was glorious, how much more gloriuos is God's offer of salvation today now that that OT promises have been fulfiled and ratified by Jesus Christ. If that which lasted a shorty time was glorious, how much more glorious is that which lasts forever.
---Francis on 11/3/11

Sorry Francis, I guess I misunderstood that part of your sentence.

I think the sacrifice of bulls and goats was a shaddow of OT salvation, point to Christ, and Jesus death and resurrection is NT SAlvation. It wasn't in the Law at all.
---kathr4453 on 11/4/11


This text is only about GLORY
the glory which was shown by the shine in Moses face at the time of thegiving of the ten commandments which were written in stone, verses the glory of God writting his ten commandments in our hearts
with his spirit.
---Francis on 11/4/11


---micha9344 on 11/4/11
---Josef on 11/4/11
Amen!
---Chria9396 on 11/4/11


kathr4453//if you only read 2 Corinthians 3 you would KNOW the main subject of it is GLORY, and ends with GLORY

Pick up just about any study bible and you will find a heading on this section to the effect that it involves 'the ministry, spiritual & glorious, not legal'.

Me thinks you are just trying to promote your own belief that you can compete with those who know far more educated and trained than you are (you need to get rid of that inferior complex and simply accept what the Lord intended you to be - He exalted those that are humble not those who seek to exalt themselves).
---lee1538 on 11/4/11


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Leej, if you only read 2 Corinthians 3 you would KNOW the main subject of it is GLORY, and ends with GLORY. What Glory? One that fades away, or one that we are being changed by from Glory to Glory.

You only see the 10 commandments as the ministry of death...I SEE SO MUCH MORE.

I guess that's the difference between only reading facts from a book, or actually experiencing what 2 Cor 3 is talking about..through the Holy Spirit that is changing us.

No Change... No Capice

Am I pushing LAW over GRACE?

John 1:14
And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
---kathr4453 on 11/4/11


//Was the 10 commandments shining? What are you talking about? Why can't you just listen LEEJ and stop using your posts to attack something a CALVINIST also said.

Sorry to make you angry but that often happens to those who disagree with what the Bible has to say.

While it was Moses face that shone, it was the 10 commandments that were craved on letters of stone.

All you really need to see that is to read that section of scripture more slowly as all too often you pop off the handle before you engage your brain.

Usually women who do that is liken to what the Bible describes of a contentious women being like rain dripping off ones roof.

But what can one expect of those that are ARMINIAN in their doctrinal views?
---lee1538 on 11/4/11


Was the 10 comandments written on Moses face leej//

Was the 10 commandments shining? What are you talking about? Why can't you just listen LEEJ and stop using your posts to attack something a CALVINIST also said.

You really can't read can you! Again, the Intellect of a snail trying to look like a what????

If YOU too understood Grace, then you would have understood what I posted.

2 Corinthians 4:6
For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.


Now take that verse and trample it too!
---kathr4453 on 11/4/11


God showed to Moses His full Glory, for he was then made able to behold it. But though on the top of Mount Sinai he could not see the full Glory of Jehovah, yet he had seen enough to make an impression upon him of such a kind that the skin of his face shone. God is Light and they that look upon Him are enlightened and reflect Light around them! Moses spoke with God face to face as a man speaks with his friend and this made his countenance glow. The face of Moses was to God what the moon is to the sun. A saint shines on men when God has shone on him. We are changed into the same image, from glory to glory, as by the Presence of the Lord.

Charles Spurgeon
---kathr4453 on 11/4/11


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kathr4453//Moses shone with Glory because He was in the Presence of God. It had nothing to do with the 10 commandments.

Was Moses' face written on letters of stone?

You really should read the verse in its context before you post - try putting the saddle on the horse before your ride off into nether-nether land.

Yes, I would agree that the glory we have now is from the ministry of His Spirit, as the law only convicts us of sin and brings us to the realization that we need the Savior.
---lee1538 on 11/4/11


---kathr4453 on 11/4/11

Read your posts again, and read mine. TWO difference in the post
1: I never said that Moses face shone because of the ten commandments. I said " The given of the ten commandments, was accomplished with such glory, that when Moses CAME DOWN FROM THE MOUNTAIN ( ie left the presence of God) the Israelites could not even look at him.

2: you posted" No one was ever offered salvation through the Law." I NEVER said that salvation was offered through the law.
---francis on 11/4/11


Romans 7:9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.
Romans 6:7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.
Romans 6:8-11 Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him: Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more, death hath no more dominion over him. For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God. Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
---micha9344 on 11/4/11


//Man was commanded to keep the law without an empowerment beyond his own ability to do so. The purpose? To make him aware of his need of a savior and an empowerment beyond his own. No man in and of himself can keep the law in its entirety, thus the letter kills.

Apparently only Josef and JackB seems to have an in-depth understanding of what the ministry of death really is.

Obviously the scripture I presented drove the legalists (Hagarites from Mt. Sinai, Gal. 4) into a corner they will have much trouble to escape.

The anti-grace legalists, live-by-law alone people have really ended up in the ditch.

The righteous live by faith in the grace God provides, not by the law that reveals sin and its letter KILLETH!
---lee1538 on 11/4/11


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Moses shone with Glory because He was in the Presence of God. It had nothing to do with the 10 commandments. He was with God when he was given the 10 commandments. As soon as Moses left the Mountain, the GLOW faded, although the 10 commandments were still in effect.

TODAY that Glory is INSIDE YOU through Christ. WE can come into the Presence of God 364/24/7 because we are in Christ and He is in us. It's that presence that is Changing us from Glory to Glory.

And it says in Peter, when we suffer the GLORY of God rests upon you.
Those who SUFFER with Christ will be GLORIFIED together with Christ.

Nothing about the 10 commandments.
---kathr4453 on 11/4/11


But that glory had to pass awy. When you think about God writing his laws in our hearts, is that not more glorious than God writing his laws on tables of stone? ---
---Francis on 11/3/11

No one was ever offered salvation through the Law.

AND the Glory that was WITHOUT, that faded, NOW in Christ can never fade away.

This Glory is, Christ in you, the HOPE of Glory.

Jesus is More than the 10 commandments shining through you.

May want to study ALL verses that have "GLORY" in them.

We're not being changed from 1 commandment to antoher...
---kathr4453 on 11/4/11


Romans 3:23
For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God,
Romans 4:2
For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory, but not before God.

Romans 5:2
By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.


How do we stand in His GLORY NOW---TODAY?

Romans 6:4
Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.


Just a few here.
---kathr4453 on 11/4/11


The Letter of the law revealed sin, bringing man to a knowledge of sin. With that knowledge came responsibility and accountably. Man was commanded to keep the law without an empowerment beyond his own ability to do so. The purpose? To make him aware of his need of a savior and an empowerment beyond his own. No man in and of himself can keep the law in its entirety, thus the letter kills. For the penalty for violation of any kind concerning the law, in itself, is death. Therefore we have been enabled and qualified through the indwelling presence of His Spirit as attendants of a new covenant. Not as teachers of a compliance to the law through ones own force of will or discipline, but rather a submission of self to the Spirit of life within."
---Josef on 11/4/11


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The law cannot disannul.

Meaning we didnt receive the Spirit by how well we followed the law but by promise, therefore we dont KEEP Him by following the Law.

Its all about faith in Jesus Christ and being humble before God.

Our natural instinct is to observe the law but ONLY because we now LOVE God for what he has done for us and we want to be JUST LIKE HIM.
---JackB on 11/4/11


Lee you said andy3996//however the law in itself does NOT lead to death .... UNLESS you abandon the law and follow Christ

I said:however the law in itself does NOT lead to death
YET THE FACT that none can accomplish all the law leads us to death
UNLESS you abandon the law and follow Christ.

this is a dileberate misqouote from you just to make an arguement since i say exactely what you say
NOONE CAN BE SAVED IN FOLLOWING THE LAW
francis i never said that we should not honour Christ's law, i said that the ten commandements donot save
---andy3996 on 11/4/11


The Ministry of Death and the Ministry of Life

2Corinthians 3

Compare with Romans 8, the Law of sin and death and the Law of the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus.

Also compare to Hebrews 12.

What Mount have you come to?
---kathr4453 on 11/4/11


2 Peter 3:16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

2 corithians 3: 7-9 may be one such text by paul which is hard to understand. But it should never be twisted to say that the keeping of the ten commandments brings death.
---Francis on 11/4/11


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Bill_willa6989, A-men. I could not have said it better.
---Eloy on 11/4/11


let me explain this text.

At Sinai God wrote his ten commandments on tables of stone. The given of the ten commandments,(which if violated is sin, and sin leads to death) was accomplished with such glory, that when Moses came down the mountain the Israelites could not even look at him. But that glory had to pass awy. When you think about God writing his laws in our hearts, is that not more glorious than God writing his laws on tables of stone? If the old testement system of promises of salvation was glorious, how much more gloriuos is God's offer of salvation today now that that OT promises have been fulfiled and ratified by Jesus Christ. If that which lasted a shorty time was glorious, how much more glorious is that which lasts forever.
---Francis on 11/3/11


Lee's assessment of 2Corin 3 - ministry of death is the 10 commandments

if this is truth then the ministry of the spirit (which is life) would be ABSENCE of these LAWS and with this antichrist version the ministry of Spirit/LIFE would be tohave:

other gods, graven images, profain GODS name, dismiss Holy Sabbath Day, disgrace parents, KILL LIE STEAL, COVET ALL and commit adultery

rather than follow Lee's LIE best to understand WHAT physical Israel understood and that is the ministry of death was the PENALTY for breaking these laws - hence the penalty was death

Christ REMOVED penalty of DEATH

without laws there can be no penalty for breaking them - concept LOST on those who hate GODS Holy just and perfect LAWS
---Rhonda on 11/3/11


andy3996//however the law in itself does NOT lead to death .... UNLESS you abandon the law and follow Christ
---
???????
What God honors is faith, not obedience to law, our righteousness is in Christ imparted to those who believe.

Romans 1:17NIVB 17 For in the gospel a righteousness from God is revealed, a righteousness by faith from first to last, just as it is written: "The righteous will live by faith."

it is the letter of the law that brings death -

2 Cor. 3:6b For the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.

Galatians 4 speaks of the 2 covenants - one thru Hagar from Mt. Sinai bearing children to slavery, the other of the promise given to Abraham who are born by faith in His Spirit.
---lee1538 on 11/3/11


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UNLESS you abandon the law and follow Christ
---andy3996 on 11/3/11
we are talking here about the ten commandments. I think we should limit the word LAW for this blogs sake to THE TEN COMMANDMENTS ONLY since it is the only law engraved in stone.

Now do you sill say abandon the ten commandments ( which would mean dishonour father and mother, commit adultery, and murder at will) and follow christ?
---Francis on 11/3/11


3: MOST IMPORTANT: Although the text seem to say that the 10 commandments is the mininstration of death, God says keep my commandments and live Thus LEE must admit that he does not understand this verse
*****

AMEN

there cannot be honesty when one prefers LIES over Gods Truth

FACT IS ministration of death in OT - people either died for their sins or paid severe penalties

Lee's SPIN on the ministry of death is the law ...now that the law is removed one can SIN "in a christ" and if killing becomes legal one can kill in Christ

now one can LIE "in christ" antichrist teaching lying was a ministry of death and now it is the ministry of life to lie, steal, cheat, not honor the sabbath etc
---Rhonda on 11/3/11


2Cor 3:7a
But--coordinating conjunction
if--subordinating conjunction
the--adjective
ministration--dependent subject
of--preposition
death--object of preposition
, written--participle identifying 'ministration'
[and]--coordinating conjunction
engraven--participle identifying 'ministration'
in--prepositon
stones,--object of preposition
was--dependent main verb, linking
glorious--predicate nominative, complimenting the subject 'ministration'
Independent subject and verb are in verse 8
Undeniably, according to English grammar, the 'ministration of death' is further described as 'written and engraven in stones' and 'glorious'
Deny it or refute it all you want.
---micha9344 on 11/3/11


\\2 Corinthians 3:7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones,...\\

Francis,s notice that the Bible itself calls the Decalogue the "ministry of death."

If the Bible calls it the ministry of death, why is it wrong to quote the Bible on the matter?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 11/3/11


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Francis //So it would be wrong to call the ten commandments ministry of death because obedience to them according to the ten commandments brings mercy and long life.
---
Obedience to law for ones salvation will only bring spiritual death as all the law does is it to reveal sin and our need for a Savior. Romans 3:20,

Romans 11:32 For God has consigned all to disobedience, that he may have mercy on all.

Ro 7:13 NKJV Has then what is good become death to me? Certainly not! But sin, that it might appear sin, was producing death in me through what is good, so that sin through the commandment might become exceedingly sinful.
---lee1538 on 11/3/11


Francis //So it would be wrong to call the ten commandmens ministry of death because obedience to them according to the ten commandments brings mercy and long life.
---
Obedience to law for ones salvation will only bring spiritual death as all the law does is it to reveal sin and our need for a Savior. Romans 3:20,

Romans 11:32 For God has consigned all to disobedience, that he may have mercy on all.

Ro 7:13 NKJV Has then what is good (I.e. the law)become death to me? Certainly not! But sin, that it might appear sin, was producing death in me through what is good, so that sin through the commandment might become exceedingly sinful.
---lee1538 on 11/3/11


Cluny,

I only asked a simple question and laid down some verses. What is NOT written,of that only speculation can come, however, I do not practice nor defend the Sabbath... You are better of arguing that case with francis.

"Nevertheless, I noticed that you did NOT say what Christ said next, "IF YOU WOULD BE PERFECT, sell all you have, give to the poor, and come follow Me."

What, is that a sin of omission? Paul casually and non chalantly ends Corinthians 2 with among other things v.11 Finally, brethren, farewell. Be perfect, be of good comfort, be of one mind, live in peace,
and the God of love and peace shall be with you."


"BE"
Is there a problem?
---Nana on 11/3/11


however the law in itself does NOT lead to death
1 And it shall come to pass, if thou shalt hearken diligently unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to observe and to do ALL his commandments which I command thee this day, that the LORD thy God will set thee on high above all nations of the earth: And all these blessings shall come on thee... Deutero 28
YET THE FACT that none can accomplish all the law leads us to death
15 But it shall come to pass, if thou wilt not hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to observe to do all his commandments and his statutes which I command thee this day, that all these curses shall come upon thee, and overtake thee:
UNLESS you abandon the law and follow Christ
---andy3996 on 11/3/11


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Exodus 20:12 Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy DAYS MAY BE LONG upon the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.

Proverbs 7:2 Keep my commandments, AND LIVE , and my law as the apple of thine eye.

Exodus 20:5-6 for I the LORD thy God [am] a jealous God,... And SHOWING MERCY unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.

Once we agree that keeping the commandments do not bring death, but rather MERCY AND LONG LIFE we can being the dialog.

Until then it will just be idle chatter
---francis on 11/3/11


2 Corinthians 3:7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance, which glory was to be done away:

By reading ALL THE BIBLE we know TWO FACTS:
1: God promised LONG LIFE and MERCY to those who keep his commandments. So obeying the ten tcommandments cannot bring death, But rather mercy and long life (
Exodus 20:6 ,12)

2: The Glory that was seen was ONLY in MOSES face not in the tables of stone which contained the ten commandments

So it wold be wrong to call the ten commandments ministry of death because obedience to them according to the ten commandments brings mercy and long life
---Francis on 11/3/11


to start with it was not the teblets of stone or ten commandments that shined with glory, it was Moses face.

Exodus 34:28 And he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights, he did neither eat bread, nor drink water. And he wrote upon the tables the words of the covenant, the ten commandments.
Exodus 34:29 And it came to pass, when Moses came down from mount Sinai with the two tables of testimony in Moses' hand, when he came down from the mount, that Moses wist not that THE SKIN OF HIS FACE SHONE, while he talked with him.
Exodus 34:30 And when Aaron and all the children of Israel saw Moses, behold, THE SKIN OF HIS FACE SHONE,

So what glory is 2 Corinthians 3:7 referring to?
---francis on 11/3/11


Well, I understand that the Bible says the Ten Commandments can tell us what is wrong, but they can't make us love. And Paul says that it is good to have commandments which expose our sin (1 Corinthians 7:7), but that the Law of Moses is meant for bringing us to Jesus (Galatians 3:24) who alone can have us finding out how to love > Jesus does say, "'Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls.'" (Matthew 11:29)

So, God bless you to be encouraged to walk with Jesus and discover how He has us learning how to love.
---Bill_willa6989 on 11/3/11


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Nana, did you notice that Christ did NOT mention the Sabbath in His list?

Nevertheless, I noticed that you did NOT say what Christ said next, "IF YOU WOULD BE PERFECT, sell all you have, give to the poor, and come follow Me."

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 11/3/11


If we are going to discuss this honestly we must first admit 3 things:


1: this blog has a main intention of saying that we do not have to keep the sabbath.


2: That keeping the ten commandments does not lead to death. Infact in the ten commandments God says honour father and mother that THY DAYS MAY BE LONG, it also said that God shows mercy on those who keep his commandments. So it does not lead to death


3: MOST IMPORTANT: Although the text seem to say that the 10 commandments is the mininstration of death, God says keep my commandments and live Thus LEE must admit that he does not understand this verse

Only then can we have an honest blog
---francis on 11/3/11


Suggest you read the verse and in its context.

2 Cor. 3:7 does refer to the 10 commandments
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SALVATION is topic in 2Corin 3 the 10 commandments

those who HATE GOD are willing to mock the death of Christ and salvation to satisfy their own desire to DISOBEY

truth is only those who keep GODS 10 commandments will be loved by Christ

all others simply bow down to their lying false ministers of Satan and choose to believe 2Corin 3 is speaking of GODS HOLY commandments REJECTING the message of salvation that was hidden behind the veil for physical Israel

easy to take one word and spin distort and pervert it from 2Corin 3 to serve your false ministers LIES and purposely REJECT the TRUE message
---Rhonda on 11/3/11


There is Faith In Christ, and then after we are saved we live by the Faith OF Christ.

Jesus did not have to live by Faith "in the Law". Jesus lived by faith of the Will of the Father.

The "No longer I but Christ in me" is not so we can keep the Law, although that is a small part of it, but we live by the Power of His Life in us.
---kathr4453 on 11/3/11


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So let's take 2 Corinthians 3.

It says we are being CHANGED from GLORY TO GLORY by the Spirit of the Lord.

The Law could never make anyone PERFECT. The Law cannot CHANGE YOU. The Law cannot make you a NEW CREATURE. The Law cannot conform you to His Image.

The Law is the outward obedience of the FLESH. But at Calvary our FLESH was condemned..wiped out...crucified with Christ.

God does not see anyone after the FLESH anymore. He sees you IN CHRIST.
---kathr4453 on 11/3/11


Nana, what you say is right, that's what makes a true Christian to trust upon Christ's salvation plan alone. Jesus explained the law so perfectely that his own disciples asked

Luke 18:26 And they that heard it said, Who then can be saved?

but Jesus wanted us ALL TO KNOW that He is... John 14:6 ..the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

should we not try to obey YES WE SHOULD but it is of no avail for our salvation, it only proofs we are IN CHRIST.
---andy3996 on 11/3/11


Is Paul the only spokesperson?
"And when he was gone forth into the way, there came one running, and kneeled to him,
and asked him, Good Master, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life?
And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.
Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Defraud not, Honour thy father and mother."
---Nana on 11/2/11


Rhonda - //truth is 2Corin 3 does not allude to GODS HOLY just and perfect LAWS aka 10-Commandments.

Suggest you read the verse and in its context.

2 Cor. 3:7 does refer to the 10 commandments, what else was written on letters of stone? And what else came with more glory than the 10 commandments?

//amazing those SATANIC rules of false Christianity (those who HATE GODS LAWS Rom 2:8) parading around with their hollow Christian "love" seeking to destroy and mock the sacrifice of Christ

Even the Sabbath keeping and law promoting Pharisees accused Jesus of having a demon as they disagreed with Him. (John 8) Can we not expect the successors of the Pharisees, the legalists also to slander Christians?
---lee1538 on 11/2/11


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Billions have, billions do, and billions will, follow the 10 commandemnts right down into hell: "For I say to you, except your righteousness be more plenteous then of teachers and of ministers, you all will not enter into the kingdom of heaven. Except a person be born again that one cannot see the kingdom of God. Now if any person have not the Spirit from Christ, that one is none of his." Mt.5:20+ Jn.3:3+ Rm.8:9. Please Read- Matthew 5:38-48+ John 13:34,35+ 15:12,17.
---Eloy on 11/2/11


ar you sure you never broke any of the ten commandements since your a Christian
that's why its said GRACE ALONE.
---andy3996 on 11/2/11
Good post.

I grew up as a catholic. I probable broke them all and on a sabbath too.
And since I have been a christain, I have had to repent and seek God's forgiveness.
That is why I cannot be saved or justified by keeping any of the laws. I can only be saved by God's grace, and i can only be justified by faith.

Galatians 2:17 But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found transgressors of the law, is therefore Christ the minister of transgression of the law? God forbid

1 John 3:4 sin is the transgression of the law.
---Francis on 11/2/11


lee, the Levitical 10 commandments of the old testament were delivered by Moses to the people on the mount in Exodus 19:23-20:17. And the Judaic 10 beatitudes of the New Testament were delivered by Jesus to the people on the mount in Matthew 4:25-5:19. And Jesus commands us to follow his commandments alone, and not the letter of the law which leaven only puffs a person up but does not save them. All the rules and regulations in the world, thou shalt-thou shalt not-thou shalt-thou shalt not- cannot save a soul. Only repentance to Jesus brings real redemption.
---Eloy on 11/2/11


Many do not believe Paul when he declared that the law God gave had only one purpose, "Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin." Romans 3:20. And there's only one payment for sin, "For the wages of sin is death" Romans 6:23

God never promise man that obeying the law, He will reward man with eternal life. Rather Paul declared in Galatians 3:10 "For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse" 18 "For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise."

Unless one is elected by God and given to His Son, there's no salvation.
---christan on 11/2/11


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another one-verse-wonder teaching regurgitated LIES given by false ministers who HATE GODS HOLY LAWS!!

PROPER understanding of 2Corin 3 shows ministry of death is what physical Israel only knew because they were blinded to salvation (hint the veil - physical Israel was behind it) ...spiritual Israel TRUE BELIEVERS have no veil through Christ

truth is 2Corin 3 does not allude to GODS HOLY just and perfect LAWS aka 10-Commandments Rom 7:12 James 1:25

amazing those SATANIC rules of false christianity (those who HATE GODS LAWS Rom 2:8) parading around with their hollow christian "love" seeking to destroy and mock the sacrifice of Christ

ONLY those who OBEY GODS HOLY LAWS will receive salvation Heb 5:9
---Rhonda on 11/2/11


francis your absolutely right, yet he who keeps the entire la yet fails....

ar you sure you never broke any of the ten commandements since your a Christian

that's why its said GRACE ALONE.
---andy3996 on 11/2/11


\\How many of you have the guts to say that if a person obey these TEN COMMANDMENTS that it will lead to DEATH:\\

It didn't do the scribes and Pharisees any good.

They kept all 10 commandments, especially the Sabbath, and did their best with the other 603, and STILL missed Jesus!

Let this be a warning to you.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 11/2/11


Justification solves the problem of man's guilt before a righteous Judge. Redemption solves the problem of man's slavery to sin, the world, and the devil. Propitiation solves the problem of offending God our Creator.

Even as all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God is universal, so is the offer of being justified freely by His grace. It is open to everyone who will believe.

The harlot, the liar, the murderer, are short of it, but so are you. Perhaps they stand at the bottom of a mine, and you on the crest of an Alp, but you are as little able to touch the stars as they. Everyone falls short, but everyone can be justified freely by His grace.
---kathr4453 on 11/2/11


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How many of you have the guts to say that if a person obey these TEN COMMANDMENTS that it will lead to DEATH:
--francis 11/2/11
It's a stupid question because those commandments won't specifically determine the outcome. One could do them all and still either live or die, depending on other factors. Obeying those ten commandments will not lead to death nor by themselves protect one from it.
---Rocky on 11/2/11


Exodus 20:3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
Exodus 20:4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image,
Exodus 20:7 Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain,
Exodus 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Exodus 20:12 Honour thy father and thy mother: .
Exodus 20:13 Thou shalt not kill.
Exodus 20:14 Thou shalt not commit adultery.
Exodus 20:15 Thou shalt not steal.
Exodus 20:16 Thou shalt not bear false witness
Exodus 20:17 Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house

Can you honestly say that if you do these God will cause you to die?
---Francis on 11/2/11


\\The dispensation od the old testament was "take an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth, and a life for a life", that is why it is called the ministry of death.\\

The lex talionis was intended to LIMIT vengeance, not be an excuse for judicial maiming and mayhem as the mahometans interpreted it.

It was ALWAYS understood among the Jews to mean compensatory damages.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 11/2/11


anyone who believes that if you do these things it will lead to death is not a child of God!
1. Do not worship other gods.
2. Do not worship idols.
3. Do not misuse God's name.
4. Keep the Sabbath holy.
5. Honor your father & mother.
6. Do not murder.
7. Do not commit adultery.
8. Do not steal.
9. Do not lie.
10. Do not covet
Proverbs 7:2 Keep my commandments, and live, and my law as the apple of thine eye.
Proverbs 4:4 keep my commandments, and live.
Deuteronomy 5:10 (GOD)shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me and keep my commandments.
---francis on 11/2/11


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//How many of you have the guts to say that if a person obey these TEN COMMANDMENTS that it will lead to DEATH:

Probably all of us that understand God's word.

The Bible does say one is not justified (declared righteous) by obedience to the law (Romans 3:20). We are "justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus,..."(3:24).

AND it also says the letter (the law) kills but the Spirit makes alive (2 Cor. 3:6)

Even the Apostles Paul claimed he was impeccable as to law obedience, however, considered all that effort trash.

"... touching the righteousness which is in the law, blameless. But what things were gain to me, those I counted loss for Christ." Php. 3:6b-7
---lee1538 on 11/2/11


How many of you have the guts to say that if a person obey these TEN COMMANDMENTS that it will lead to DEATH:

Exodus 20:3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
Exodus 20:4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image,
Exodus 20:7 Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain,
Exodus 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Exodus 20:12 Honour thy father and thy mother: .
Exodus 20:13 Thou shalt not kill.
Exodus 20:14 Thou shalt not commit adultery.
Exodus 20:15 Thou shalt not steal.
Exodus 20:16 Thou shalt not bear false witness
Exodus 20:17 Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house

---francis on 11/2/11


The dispensation od the old testament was "take an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth, and a life for a life", that is why it is called the ministry of death. But now Christ Almighty has come and given us his Law, which no longer takes vengeance, nor take a life for a life, but we are to forgive and to love are enemies and turn the othe cheek when hit. Thus establishing that the ministry of life is better than the ministry of death, the living New Testament better than the dead old testament.
---Eloy on 11/2/11


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