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Sign Of Baptism Of Holy Spirit

What is the sign of the Baptism in the Spirit? Is it tongues? Or is it living a holy and separated life from this world of Darkness?

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hello,Shira4368 my apologies to you! Yes,ELENA she got trouble lill'bit the eyes! Please forgive.. meant put Lee1538. Wow! I just agree with himI grew up 'round pentecostal & many are kind & good,but,there are peoplelike everywhere... not in church for good but,misuse it for bad or evil gainjust not spiritual mind,reap havoc and discord.
---ELENA on 11/28/11


Elena, what are you talking about. I don't understand any of your post. please explain.
---shira4368 on 11/26/11


some one asked me once pastor what would the power of God look like if it fell on the church would it be tounges would it be gold dust would it be power to heal...ect I thought about it for a long time and the Lord reminded me of a statement Dr brian Chappel said I said it would look like "faithfullness with joy"
---Willow on 11/26/11


you left out an important part of that scripture
Matt16,24,Then said Jesus unto his disciples...(where are we here)
Eph.2: 12That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world
---michael_e on 11/24/11


//that is the three and a half years spent on earth ministering to His chosen people, ...// Where's 3 1/2 years mentioned?

Matt16,24, [24]...If anyone wishes to come after Me, he must deny himself, and take up his cross and follow Me. [25]For whoever wishes to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for My sake will find it. [26]For what will it profit a man if he gains the whole world and forfeits his soul? Or what will a man give in exchange for his soul? [27]For the Son of Man is going to come in the glory of His Father with His angels, and WILL THEN REPAY EVERY MAN ACCORDING TO HIS DEEDS.

Within the context here, there is a universal/future concept, "whoever, EVERY MAN, and a judgement day."
---Rod4Him on 11/24/11




hello,This ELENA... Pentecostal movement/ truth you all right! Lee1538, Shira4368- the bible speaks about "notevery spirit gone out ..... the spirit of God"....NOT everybody speaking in tongues loving & kind / nor Christ-like! incident/ 2x women in a church tried to actually "physically" beat me up! In the church ....petty jealousy! I don't go to those type church's no more.There are good people too ... bro.MarkV. Lord bless you & your family.. Keep teaching that's why I love ChristiaNet the teachers on here explain so,well.
---ELENA on 11/23/11


//Earthly ministry" where is that found?//
that is the three and a half years he spent on earth ministering to His chosen people, the nation of Israel. (matt. 10:16, 16:24)
Where does our apostle say we were then?
//I know from the dispensational POV, one needs to study their material before one reads the Bible.//
Eph. 2:12That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
//I know from the dispensational POV, one needs to study their material before one reads the Bible.//
Their material is the Bible "RIGHTLY DIVIDED", thats what traditionalist are missing.
---michael_e on 11/23/11


"Christianity" (JESUS devotion is called "the Way", Acts 9:2, 19:9, 11:26) shouldn't be looking for "signs".

Luke 11:20 "The kingdom of God is not coming with signs".

The kingdom HAS COME and is IN YOUR HEART/mind IF you live that way in your daily lives (can you shed tears of sorrow/love like the woman in Luke 7:44?).

1 John 5:8 "There are three witnesses..." (only all 3 will testify/show you as God's child).

The Lord wants to remove our "heart of stone" and replace it with a "heart of flesh" that can feel tender love and sorrow ("living water", John 7:38) so that we "neither thirst" (Revelation 7:16).

1 John 5:6.
---more_excellent_way on 11/23/11


Jesus said to abide in Him.

Paul said "to be found in Him."

"Earthly ministry" where is that found?

Is that term an encompassing term to say that Jesus' ministry was not to bring people to the eternal Kingdom of God? not for people to be born again? But Christ was only offering the "kingdom to the Jews," and therefore not concerned for the Gentiles. That Christ did not come to redeem the world to Himself.

In reading the Gospels, Christ does not seem to be offering Himself as a King for an "earthly ministry," He left when people tried to do so.

I know from the dispensational POV, one needs to study their material before one reads the Bible. That sounds dangerous to me.
---Rod4Him on 11/21/11


//The question was simple, to follow Christ or not to follow Christ. Which is it?//
the answer is simple
no one knew better than Paul how to follow the risen Christ .
1 Cor. 11:1Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ.
the other question was
You don't really think you can follow Christ in his earthly ministry, do you?
The answer is, You can't follow Christs' earthly ministry.
btw, nothing is taken personally.
---michael_e on 11/21/11




--So, are you teaching people not to follow Christ?--

//Not hardly, no one knew better than Paul how to follow the risen Christ//

Now this form of dispensationalism sounds like a no.

//You don't really think you can follow Christ in his earthly ministry, do you?//

Which form of dispensationalism is being presented. One time it's, "not hardly," then it sounds like a "no."

Is Jesus Christ our example or not?

The question was simple, to follow Christ or not to follow Christ. Which is it?

Sounds like mormonism or JW, says one thing then another.

BTW, nothing is meant to be taken personal, there are very fine people in different belief systems.
---Rod4Him on 11/21/11


//Some sects of dispensationalism teach that Jesus Christ is not our example nor is He to be followed//
You don't really think you can follow Christ in his earthly ministry, do you?
---michael_e on 11/21/11


//Not hardly//

Glad to hear that. Some sects of dispensationalism teach that Jesus Christ is not our example nor is He to be followed.

//, no one knew better than Paul how to follow the risen Christ//

Interesting, rather than to focus on Jesus' statement to follow Him and Jesus' example, the dispensational teaching seems to always jump to Paul. Paul, the same as the Holy Spirit exalts Christ. Some dispensational teachings seem to want to follow Paul until Paul's example was to work himself for the work of the ministry, rather than to expect others to support him.

The Holy Spirit exalts Christ. If Christ is not being exalted, it's not the Holy Spirit.
---Rod4Him on 11/21/11


Both are signs: one is the speech or language from the Holy Spirit, and the other is the actions or behavior from the Holy Spirit.
---Eloy on 11/20/11


//So, are you teaching people not to follow Christ?
---Rod4Him on 11/18/11//
Not hardly, no one knew better than Paul how to follow the risen Christ .
1 Cor. 11:1Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ.
1 Tim 1:16 Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting.
---michael_e on 11/18/11


//Really, Christs' earthy ministry(time past) was still to the Nation of Israel//

So, are you teaching people not to follow Christ?
---Rod4Him on 11/18/11


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//I know that Paul wrote that Jesus appeared to him// -Barb
Paul wasn't the first to account for Jesus having a chat with Paul about his new career. I know...Luke was not an apostle who directly hung around with Jesus, but Peter was. 2Pe 3:15-16... if you deny Paul, then you invalidate Peter.

Barb, you quote Acts, but have in the past invalidated Luke. you quote Acts 9:26 as a reason to fear Paul, but you did not finish the sentence. Acts 9:26 finish the sentence...Act 9:27 But Barnabas took him, and brought him to the apostles, and declared unto them how he had seen the Lord in the way, and that he had spoken to him, and how he had preached boldly at Damascus in the name of Jesus. Act 9:28...this shows fear?
---aka on 11/18/11


If you have the Holy Ghost you can talk tongues and pick up deadly serpents. I seen it on TV.
---John.usa on 11/18/11


////You will not find salvation in Christs' earthly ministry// Really?//
Really, Christs' earthy ministry(time past) was still to the Nation of Israel
(But now)
1 Cor 15 1Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you THE GOSPEL which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand, 2By which also YE ARE SAVED, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. 3For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures,
4And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
---michael_e on 11/17/11


Michael e, Jesus came to testify to the truth John 18:37. His whole ministry was about salvation. John 3:3. Please read the story of the rich young ruler who asked Jesus how to enter into eternal life. Jesus' answer is to keep the commmandments and follow Him.

Where does Jesus say that He sent Paul? I know that Paul wrote that Jesus appeared to him but I want you to show me where Jesus told us that Paul was commissioned by Him. Jesus taught that the Holy Spirit would lead us into ALL truth. So again I ask what is the purpose of Paul?

Jesus did not say one word to his disciples after His resurrection about any changes to His ministry. Wouldn't they need to know? Why were they afraid of Paul? Acts 9:26.
---barb on 11/17/11


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//You will not find salvation in Christs' earthly ministry// Really?

My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me, and I give eternal life to them, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of My hand.
---Rod4Him on 11/14/11


//Did Jesus complete the work that His Father gave Him to do?//

yes...then, Jesus commissioned Paul to tell the Gentiles to reconcile all.

all that is required is belief in Jesus and not throw backs to types and shadows of which He fulfilled. He did not ask us to fulfill again (do what he did), He asked us to have faith in what He did..
---aka on 11/14/11


//Is Paul your saviour?//
Of course not,but he is our pattern 1 Tim 1,16
Christ said He sent Paul.
John 13:20 Acts 9:13-16
You will not find salvation in Christs' earthly ministry. I repeat, to reject Paul is to reject salvation.
---michael_e on 11/14/11


Repeat,
"Regeneration is not to be confused with the full experience of conversion. Just as birth is our initiation, our first enterance into life outside the womb, so our spiritual rebirth is the starting point of our spiritual life. It occurs by God's divine initiative and is an act that is sovereign, immediate, and instantaneous. Yet, an awareness of our conversion maybe be gradual. Yet rebirth is instantaneous. No one can be partially reborn, any more then a woman can be partially pregnant. No one can remove the spiritual life of a believer. God chooses to regenerate us before we will ever choose to embrace Him. To be sure after we have been regenerated by sovereign grace of God, we do choose, act, cooperated, and believe in Christ
---Mark_V. on 11/14/11


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Michael e, you said that to ignore Paul is to ignore salvation. Really? Is Paul your saviour? Good luck with that.

God sent His Son to teach us the truth about salvation. Did God change His mind? Did Jesus complete the work that His Father gave Him to do? John 17:3-4. Why would God send Paul when He had already given the best that He had? John 12:47-50.
---barb on 11/13/11


//...baptize in...//

interesting...John says [paraphrase], I baptize in water. Jesus comes to baptize you in Spirit and fire.

Jesus did not tell his disciples to go and baptize in water in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

it seems you add to scripture to take away all of the truth...There is one body and one Spirit--just as you were called to the one hope that belongs to your call-- one Lord, one faith, one baptism...

baptism of the Spirit as spoken by Joel the prophet. witness.

the evidence of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness, and temperance and not tongues. the remission of sins (washing away) is spiritual.
---aka on 11/11/11


shira4368 - I believe the obvious, namely that speaking in tongues is a real distraction to the spread of the gospel. People are not saved by speaking in tongues but by being born of God's Spirit.

What has disturbed me with the tongues movement is the many that have continued to live decadent lifestyle and their gross lack of knowledge of Biblical doctrine.

I do take the position that the legitimate "sign" gifts are fairly rare and in contrast to Pentecostal doctrine, not given to everyone who would seek. People often deceive themselves in believing they speak in tongues but in reality they babble.
---lee1538 on 11/11/11


lee 1538, I must agree with you. When we are saved the Holy Spirit indwells us. I am glad I don't have the same spirit it takes to speak in tongues. I think tongues is demonic. I went to a church once that was speaking in tongues and I never felt the presence of the Holy Spirit. I have also been in churches where the Holy Spirit has made himself shown in the service. Did you know that one person can quench the Holy Spirit in a service. I have seen that happen too.
---shira4368 on 11/11/11


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//Sometimes it is best to listen to Jesus and ignore Paul.//
To ignore Paul is to ignore salvation.
---michael_e on 11/9/11


Jesus tells his disciples to go and baptize in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. This baptism is a cleansing from sin and a new beginning of walking in obedience. It has nothing to do with tongues. It is one baptism and the only one that Jesus teaches.

Sometimes it is best to listen to Jesus and ignore Paul. The only way to learn ALL of the truth is to let the Holy Spirit guide you.
---barb on 11/8/11


Study John Chapter 14, 15 & 16. Then study the book of Acts.

Study the difference between Peter when he walked with Jesus and Peter in the book of Acts. THAT's how you tell you have the Baptism of the Holy Spirit- when you act like Peter did in the book of Acts.

Peter went from denying he knew Jesus to his shadow healing people in the book of Acts.

Same thing with the Apostle Paul. Study Acts and the Damascus road experience Paul had and see how he changed after He rec'd the Baptism of the Holy Spirit.

The Holy Spirit gives you the desire to live a holy and separated life AFTER He develops the fruit of the Spirit in your life: Love, Peace, Joy, Kindness, Long-suffering, Patience, self-control, etc.
---anon on 11/8/11


If speaking in tongues is the sign of the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, then we would have to conclude that a great many pillars of the Christian faith did not have God's Spirit.

Let's face it! Not everyone wants to speak in tongues and it is doubtful if such an experience would benefit everyone, especially those that are unstable mentally.

It is unfortunate that Pentecostals believe one has to speak in tongues in order to have God's indwelling Holy Spirit. But it is very hard to find a Pentecostal that knows much about the Bible let alone its doctrines.
---lee1538 on 11/8/11


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Tongues is the initial sign of being baptized in the Holy Spirit. (Acts 1:8)

There is a difference between the Holy Spirit living in you which takes place immediately at salvation & the baptism in the Holy Spirit.

The things mentioned in Galatians 5:22-23 are in every believer, baptized in the Holy Spirit or not.

Fruit of the spirit ARE NOT the Holy Spirit's fruits. They are fruit/produce from your new-born spirit. Galatians 5:19-21 proves it in that it shows works of your flesh.

Galatians 5:19-23 show man's flesh & spirit.

All through Acts they showed evidence of the Baptism in the Holy Spirit with tongues initially followed by other signs and wonders.
---Rickey on 11/8/11


What is the sign of the Baptism in the Spirit?

It is the fruit of the spirit:

Gal 5:22,23 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance:...
---jerry6593 on 11/8/11


it depends if you're talking about the sign that you've just received it, or the sign that you are a spiritfilled believer, my vote goes to both depending on the accent in your question
---andy3996 on 11/7/11


If you look for an outward sign, the outward can be imitated. We need to be able to tell the difference about people, by means of prayer and sense in the Holy Spirit so we are in God's light so we are not fooled.

Also, if you set up outward standards of separation, a psychopath can imitate outward standards.

Peter was baptized in the Holy Spirit, then he withdrew from Christians because he was afraid of what Jewish believers would think (Galatians 2:11-13). He sinned by fearing, and by betraying Jesus' own brothers and sisters. This was not living holy and separated, though He had received the Holy Spirit. So, being baptized does not necessarily mean a person is holy and separate. We all need correction > Hebrews 12:7-11.
---Bill_willa6989 on 11/6/11


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"What is the sign of the Baptism in the Spirit?"
The "sign," as that which distinguishes the believer, is an empowered transformation through the renewing of the mind to accept, embrace, and live out, as clearly apparent in ones attitude and actions, the gift of the fruit of Spirit. With the greatest of the fruit being love.
"Is it tongues?" Yes, as a "sign", or miraculous tangible authentication of His presence, for unbelievers. 1Cr 14:22
---Josef on 11/6/11


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