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Does the opening chapters of the book of acts set forth the program for the church today?

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Trav Part 2: If you notice the beginning of chapter 12, once the vision was complete Ezekiel was able to tell his countrymen what God had shown him (v.25). "Rebellious house" in ( v. 12:2) is talking about after the message was addressed to his fellow exiles who were as hardened as those who were still in Jerusalem, this people were so intent on a quick return to Jerusalem, that they would not accept his message of Jerusalems destruction. Their rebellion is described in familiar terms in (Deut. 29:1-4: Is. 6:9,10: Jer. 5:21: Matt. 13:13-15: Acts 28:26,27).
---Mark_V. on 12/14/11


Trav, they are not opinions, I gave you the passages,
"It is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a free woman, But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh, But he of the free woman was by promise" (Gal. 4:22,23).

Second, I love the passages in Ezekiel, concerning the bones. That is my favorite from the Old Testament.
Little sanctuary in (v.16), is rendered "for a little while" However long the captivity lasted. God was to be the protection and provision for those who had been scattered through all the 70 years, God pledged not only to restore Ezekiels people to their ancient land, but to bring the New Covenant with it's blessings (36:25-28).
---Mark_V. on 12/14/11


Who was God speaking to at Pentecost?.....
36 "The entire house of Israel", v. 39 "for you and your children, and all who are far away."
Six times God makes it clear that He was speaking to Israel, .....---michael_e on 12/12/11

Truth! U Noted a neat thing Michael e. Scripture verify's.
One to three verses r specific too the whole house. House of twelve(13). Judah equals one, Benjamin, etc.
"Far Off" is prophesied.
Eze 11:16Therefore say, Thus saith the Lord GOD, Although I have cast them far off among the heathen,although I have scattered them among the countries, yet will I be to them as a little sanctuary in the countries where they shall come.
---Trav on 12/13/11


The physical Israel of the flesh are not a part of the spiritual Israel of God.

They are not of the promise, they are of Ishmael.

They are of the seed of Abraham but not of the promise.
---Mark_V. on 12/12/11

Opinion,opinion,opinion. Not a calorie for our spiritual knife and fork. Yours.....in the face of all scripture against.

31But as touching the resurrection of the dead, have ye not read that which was spoken unto you by God, saying,

Ezekiel 37:5
Thus saith the Lord GOD unto these bones, Behold, I will cause breath to enter into you, ye shall live :
---Trav on 12/13/11


Trav, first you say I'm hiding, now you say I'm running because I insist you answer the question. It is you who is running and hidding because you don't want to answer the questions. I have answered you, given you passages, and you reject them because you don't want to believe the Word of God. Only those people who are saved by grace through faith, will enter the Kingdom of Heaven. No wicked Jews, or wicked Gentiles will be part of the Spiritual Israel of God (Christ Jesus). The physical Israel of the flesh are not a part of the spiritual Israel of God. They are not of the promise, they are of Ishmael. They are of the seed of Abraham but not of the promise.
---Mark_V. on 12/12/11




Who was God speaking to at Pentecost?
v. 5 "devout Jews". v. 10 "Jews & proselytes", v. 14 "Men of Judea and all who live in Jerusalem", v. 22 "Israelites", v. 29 "fellow Israelites", v. 36 "The entire house of Israel", v. 39 "for you and your children, and all who are far away."

Six times God makes it clear that He was speaking to Israel, the Jews, on the day of Pentecost, both the Jews who were living in Judea and all the Jews who were "far away," living among the Gentiles. If you or I walked by, if we are Gentiles,
Acts 10:28... " Ye know how that it is an unlawful...
early acts was still under law
---michael_e on 12/12/11


Trav, I'm not hidding anything. You still haven't answered the questions. Why not? What is stopping you?
---Mark_V. on 12/7/11

You're running and no one is chasing you except scripture.
Questions? Ask them again we'll let scripture answer them. You run and rend when the scripture does not suit your doctrinal heart. Some quiet researching Berean Sheep will look.
Ezekiel 39:7
So will I make my holy name known in the midst of my people Israel, and I will not let them pollute my holy name any more: and the heathen shall know that I am the LORD, the Holy One in Israel.

Truth it was, truth it is, so in truth it will be.
---Trav on 12/8/11


Trav, I'm not hidding anything. I have been open to you. Given you Scripture, explained what was happening when those words were said. I never hide anything. I'm open to hear you, if you are curtious to share what you are talking about. It should not be hard. You still haven't answered the questions. Why not? What is stopping you?
---Mark_V. on 12/7/11


No, because the differences in the nation of Israel and the BOC.
2 Tim 2:15 Study. rightly dividing what is Israels from the boC .
Israel had an earthly hope
Dan 2:44 Isa 9:7 Acts 1:6
Acts 2:30 Israel was looking for a physical, earthly, kingdom with Christ sitting on the throne in Jerusalem.
The BOC has a heavenly hope
II Cor 5:1 Eph 1:3 Eph 2:6 Phil 3:20 1 Th 1:10
The Church boC has a heavenly hope while the nation of Israel has an earthly hope.
Eph 1:10 That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ
---michael_e on 12/7/11


Trav,
You can keep hidden what you want to say if it helps you from answering.
---Mark_V. on 12/6/11

If something is hidden from you it is not by me. I've provided scripture addressing what you refuse to see. If GOD doesn't want you too....then you need to talk to Father.
You in part keep yourself from seeing. Perhaps a culmination of the doctrine that appeals to you or doctrinal men commentary's. Leading you here....there.
What you dismiss so easily is what you are missing.
What GOD dismissed he brought back another way.
Acts 2:36
Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made the same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.
---Trav on 12/7/11




Trav, for some reason or another you refuse to answer the questions I ask you. You suggest for me to ask Christ Jesus, but I don't have a problem with what He says, I have a problem on what you are saying and the reason I ask you to explain, so that I can answer correctly, but now you refuse to explain. I know I cannot make you, but it makes it hard to answer you. But it is ok. You do not have to answer any of my questions. You can keep hidden what you want to say if it helps you from answering. I'm ok with that. Thanks for the time. Peace I leave you.
---Mark_V. on 12/6/11


Trav,
Ok, then make it clear to honor God.
You said you had a lot of witnesses, why not just tells us what it is you are saying?
The Holy Spirit is not helping to reveal....
---Mark_V. on 12/6/11

Honor GOD?
Don't go against chosen/appointed Prophets,Apostles,Christ in scripture.
Don't teach New Covenant ideas, theory's unless "all" scriptural appointee's verify,carry,surround or foundation a position.
Ask Christ....not me or man.
Ask Research/Berean "All" scriptural witnesses. They carry authority not me.
You've heard me two years. Ask them.
---Trav on 12/6/11


Trav, you said,
"Noticed. It can only be clear by honoring...."
Ok, then make it clear to honor God. If you want to honor God it should not be so hard? Is all Israel saved including those who rejected Christ? Are only Jews saved? If all Israel is saved, that means that all Israel from the time the nation was called Israel is saved. So, is that what you are saying? You said you had a lot of witnesses, why not just tells us what it is you are saying? Help us out. You can do it. I know if you try you can do it. The Holy Spirit is not helping to reveal what you mean or what's in your mind, only what Scripture means and what's in God's mind, little by little.
---Mark_V. on 12/6/11


Michael and Trav, both of you have confused the whole story about Israel, Jesus, Pentacost, Gentiles, Atonement, who's saved and who is not. Listening to both of you a person would never know the Truth.
It is like been in the forest and not know where to go.
---Mark_V. on 12/3/11

Noticed. It can only be clear by honoring....not creating/teaching another doctrine.
Our witnesses in scripture are contextually multitude and proven. Seeking,Asking Sheep may see. Sheep do not try to lead or follow other sheep into pastures of trees.
Matt 21:38
But when the husbandmen saw the son, they said among themselves, This is the heir, come, let us kill him, and let us seize on his inheritance.
---Trav on 12/4/11


Michael, the Church did not replaced Israel. The Israel of God is the Church//
And this isn't confusing??
How about a little scripture to back up your point.
---michael_e on 12/4/11


Michael and Trav, both of you have confused the whole story about Israel, Jesus, Pentacost, Gentiles, Atonement, who's saved and who is not. Listening to both of you a person would never know the Truth. Israel second chance at Pentacost, devorce, married, N. tribes, south tribes, Jesus praying for Israel, everything way out of context. It is like been in the forest and not know where to go.
---Mark_V. on 12/3/11


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God answered jesus' prayer giving Israel a 2nd chance .
their response:
Israel stoned Stephen. ---michael_e on 12/2/11

Judah=All Israel. Error we are taught. Is false and prophets prove it. Christ himself testify's to it. Judah and 1/2 of Benjamin retain the Married name of Israel. Until Christ death. Lost Sheep were the North House of Ten put away/divorced. He came to his own Judah, they would have him not. Nth House looking for, accepted (example:woman at well). All scripture is unified when this one point is understood,verified by hundreds and accepted. Confusion reigns amongst those who argue with the prophets. Still twelve that judge, twelve going through the gates of the New Jerusalem. Twelve.
---Trav on 12/2/11


Luke 13:6-9.
owner: God.
gardener: Lord Jesus.
fig tree: Israel.
3 fruitless yrs: ministery to Israel Matt - John.

God's nation (Israel) during Christs' earthly ministry, produced no fruit He said, "Cut down this tree, cast away this fruitless nation."

Jesus prayed for Israel, after 3 fruitless yrs, at the crucifixion, He prayed, "Father forgive them they know not what they do." (Luke 23:34).

Messiahs plan for Israel:
Acts 1 thru 7. He gives the HS. offering a 2nd chance to receive Him.(acts 3:21) had Israel repented Christ would return establishing His millenial kingdom.

God answered jesus' prayer giving Israel a 2nd chance .
their response:
Israel stoned Stephen.
---michael_e on 12/2/11


//Judah, was not lost//
Israel was never lost, God knew where they were all the time.

There are three critical points, in the Book of Acts... ---michael_e on 12/1/11

Before ur three make any connections anywhere in scripture, one must know who was being addressed.
No Apostle was foolish enough to go against Christ's directives or prophets preceding. Except Judah, and doctines of today. Truth is truth and leads to a comfortable outcome,by the GOD of righteous outcomes.
Matt 10:6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

Matt 15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

Lost to them for a moment...entirely lost to most men/doctrines of this day.
---Trav on 12/2/11


//Judah, was not lost//
Israel was never lost, God knew where they were all the time.

There are three critical points, in the Book of Acts which, if properly understood, shed light on the outworking of the purposes of God. First the outpouring of the Holy Spirit on Israel, then the outbreak against Stephen by Israel (very significant), and then the going to the Gentiles beginning the BOC, through Paul's ministry
---michael_e on 12/1/11


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Billy Graham once commented that he would like to see the church go back to the time of its conception. However, I doubt if he really knew much about church history as the early church was chaotic having different factions fight among themselves.

I wonder if the book of Acts could be updated.
---lee1538 on 12/1/11


Acts 28:28 are spoken to that once highly favored nation: "Be it known therefore unto you, that the salvation of God is sent unto the Gentiles, and that they will hear it."
---michael_e on 11/30/11

Gentiles/Ethno's/Nations (of Israel)and beyond have heard have heard an accepted or Christ failed.....which we know is not an option.
Matthew 15:24
But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

Judah, was not lost.
Ezekiel 34:12
As a shepherd seeketh out his flock in the day that he is among his sheep that are scattered, so will I seek out my sheep, and will deliver them out of all places where they have been scattered in the cloudy and dark day.
Hosea 12:12
---Trav on 12/1/11


During the Book of Acts the Jew is given opportunity to repent and receive the blessing of God. It's true there is a gradual turning away from Israel, the apostle of the circumcision giving place to the apostle of the Gentiles, yet during this period, the Jew is still accorded priority in the offer of blessing. Paul said, "It was necessary that the Word of God should first have been spoken to you" (Acts 13:46), and it is not until, in every place from Jerusalem to Rome, that the blessing had been despised and rejected by the Jew, that solemn words of Acts 28:28 are spoken to that once highly favored nation: "Be it known therefore unto you, that the salvation of God is sent unto the Gentiles, and that they will hear it."
---michael_e on 11/30/11


Do you see the BOC mentioned int OT scriptures you have stated ?
Do you see The BOC mentioned in Heb?
---michael_e on 11/29/11


Yes I do. In that they are conclusions to prophecy's....to what body/house/nation/kingdom/divorcee?
If you are looking for the actual language, or word,"body" it would be found in the centre of the witnesses. By specific definition these verses should stand out for anyone searching.

Since this is allegorical to you by context, then so is Communion. Which was done with the "Twelve". Allegory at its finest moment. You'll find the specific word you're looking for there. Along with the 12 Judges.
---Trav on 11/30/11


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Do you see the BOC mentioned int OT scriptures you have stated ?
Do you see The BOC mentioned in Heb?
---michael_e on 11/29/11


//Searchingly, i think they a re the same//

Then you can probably show where the BOC is prophesied
---michael_e on 11/29/11

I thought I just did. A marriage of two is one body. Judah and House of Israel united by Christ. Heb 8:8. Jer 31:31 is the Prophecy. Eze 37, Hosea 1, and Isa posted below.
---Trav on 11/29/11


//Searchingly, i think they a re the same//

Then you can probably show where the BOC is prophesied
---michael_e on 11/29/11


The nation of Israel and the BOC are not the same.
---michael_e on 11/26/11

Searchingly, i think they are the same. There was a first marriage...becoming one GOD and IsraEL. A Divorce/putting away and a remarriage promised (Hosea). Becoming one again. Heb 8:8 Second Covenant. With the House of Israel (divorced) "AND" Judah.

Can GOD die? Can GOD lie? Christ death was an astounding resolution to what was hoped for, but seemed impossible to Israel. The GOOD NEWS...(GOSPEL)
Isaiah 62:4
Thou shalt no more be termed Forsaken, neither shall thy land any more be termed Desolate: but thou shalt be called Hephzibah, and thy land Beulah: for the LORD delighteth in thee, and thy land shall be married.
---Trav on 11/29/11


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Trav, my answer was not to condemn you, it was to show that believing in the past does not save anyone.
---Mark_V. on 11/23/11

I never took it as condemnation. It would not have changed scriptural witnesses regardless.
Yes, believing confirming the past does save. In every aspect. Confirming the present and confirming the future. OT Prophets of GOD confirm or discard your's or any doctrine. New Covenant declaration did not discourage the Berean's from looking for Confirmation. They knew where confirmation was found.
Going against "all" OT Prophets is not wisdom.
2,000 yr old events are the past too, which u/many do not confirm by the preceding covenant period.
---Trav on 11/28/11


Michael, the believing Jews were those who believed in the gospel of Christ, and were a part of the Church. Just because the gospel had not been given to the Gentiles as a whole, it didn't mean there was no Church. In fact the arguements the believing Jews had, was whether the Messiah was only for them. The Jerusalem Council met for that reason. The non-believing Jews were not part of the Church. The beginning of the Church came when the Holy Spirit came to all 120 of them. The gift of tongues was given so that all the people present could understand each other. They also showed that from then on God's people would come from all nations, and marked the transition from Israel to the Church.
---Mark_V. on 11/28/11


//Does the opening chapters of the book of acts set forth the program for the church today?//
No, especially, the early chapters of Acts are directed to Israel as a nation (Acts 3:21) nothing here pertaining to the Church, the BOC. The BOC is strictly Pauline doctrine, (Rom.16:25)revealed to Paul by the risen Christ.
Acts 2:38 directed to Israel as a nation,
1Cor 15:1-4 directed to the BOC.
---michael_e on 11/27/11


Michael, I really do not understand what you are trying to imply. I read what you said over and over, and I don't know what your point is. Can you explain what you are saying so that I don't make a mistake answering you? Give Scripture and point so that I can answer you.
---Mark_V. on 11/27/11


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//Michael e, your wrong on the interpretation of Acts 2:38.// Markv these men peter spoke to, representig the "nation of israel", had just killed there messiah. Did they need to "repent"? Of course.
Our apostle never mentions, "killing the messiah" to us the BOC.
Quite the oppisite, he says many time, Christ died for us.Rom.5:6,8. In his gospel to the BOC 1Cor.15:1-4
Killing Him and Him dying for you are not the same.
The nation of Israel and the BOC are not the same.
---michael_e on 11/26/11


Right Trav, only 1 bride.
Only 1 from the beginning, 1 God, & He has only 1 salvation teaching which Is Acts 2 v 38 to the Jewish people First, which Is The very Same as The Early Church, 1 Church, 1 rapture & bride.

The apostate trinity churches is NOT included beginning with the r c c, because they Are here trying to this here, John 10 v 1.
---Lawrence_Nemeth on 11/26/11


Michael e, your wrong on the interpretation of Acts 2:38. After the people (men of Israel v. 22) which were a group of man that heard the gospel sermon presented to them by Peter, they asked (v. 37) Peter, after they were cut to the heart, (convicted by the Holy Spirit) "what shall we do?" Peter then said to them repent and let everyone of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. For the promise is to you and to your children, and to all who are afar off, as many as the Lord our God will call."
If they repented, they moved from the curse of the law to spiritual life in Christ. The gospel was spreading with power, thousands were coming to Christ.
---Mark_V. on 11/26/11


"Does the opening chapters of the book of acts set forth the program for the church today?"

if by church, you mean certain denominations, yes.

in general, there is a tendency to use "verse" theology to justify different doctrinal behavior.

usually, using this part of the bible leads to belief in "tongues". using others lead to arguments of water v. spirit baptism, Judaizing, and other spurious Messiahs.

as much as people argue about the number of books in the bible and their order, there is a definite progression or better yet revelation.

the opening of Genesis and a thorough search of the scriptures in totality sets forth the program for the body and bride of christ today.
---aka on 11/25/11


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---michael_e on 11/25/11
Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Acts 3:1 Now Peter and John went up together into the temple at the hour of prayer, being the ninth hour.
Acts 3:1 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord,
Acts 5:5 And Ananias hearing these words fell down, and gave up the ghost: and great fear came on all them that heard these things.


explain how these are under law
---francis on 11/25/11


If a church today bases it's doctrine on the first part of Acts, they are still under law. (Acts 2:38, 3:1,19, 5:5,10 etc)
---michael_e on 11/25/11


Trav, my answer was not to condemn you, it was to show that believing in the past does not save anyone. Not saying you are not saved. I believe you and I might be speaking of the same thing many times, but the way you answer I cannot make it out clearly.
Second, I wanted to wish you a very Happy Thanksgiving Day to you and family. And also for everyone on line, peace I leave you.
---Mark_V. on 11/23/11


The true Israel is the USA and Britain. USA is Manasseh and Britain is Ephraim. They will rule the world during the Millennium. I read it in a book.
---John.usa on 11/22/11


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Trav, you made my point when you gave ( Gal. 4:4,5). Just read it again. Those in the Old Testament were under the Law, Jesus came to save those who were under the Law who placed their faith in Christ. I don't need prophets to tell me this, Jesus does. He is the fulfillment of all the prophets. For they all spoke of Him. And as long as you stay under the law you cannot be saved for you are still waiting for Him to come. He already came, and will come again to receive all those who have believed by faith.
---Mark_V. on 11/22/11


Trav, let me explain what I'm saying again.
There is no two brides, only One.
(Gal. 6:16).
---Mark_V. on 11/22/11

The irony is "you" feel u have to explain it mark. Ur jump off point is where "you" presume "you" tell it better than GOD's prophets. U can't use them, they do not verify your doctrines.
Not two brides is correct. One, is correct. Judah,Benjamin & Nth House Lost Sheep rejoined. Two sticks. One house,one wife...again. Redeemed.
All prophets + testify.

Gal 4
4But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
5To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.
---Trav on 11/22/11


Trav, let me explain what I'm saying again. Everything the Old Testament says is True. Everything that was mentioned was fulfilled in Christ. No one is going to heaven unless they have faith in Jesus Christ works on the Cross. If an Israelite believes in Christ by faith, he goes in, If anyone from any country believes in Christ he goes in. It matters not who it is, the one way is through Christ Jesus. At no time will any person who rejects Christ no matter who he is will ever enter heaven. Whether Jew or Gentile, or anyone else. All believers by faith make up the Church. The body of Christ, the bride of Christ. There is no two brides, only One. The Israel of God is made up of Jewish people and Gentiles who believe in the Messiah (Gal. 6:16).
---Mark_V. on 11/22/11


Trav,
Yet what they said was fulfilled in Christ. But you refuse to accept that. You want to remain with the prophets as if nothing was fulfilled. The reason you mention two or three witnesses or prophets.

And the reason I told you some time ago to move forward. Heb.
---Mark_V. on 11/21/11

Well, see where you got confused, but the whole point of the prophets, GOD's spokespeople was communication with Israel.
New Covenant Testament's are supported by every Prophet.

Have only pointed to many, you more especially in places that your tangled NC doctrine is not supported by any prophet preceding Christ. Therefore it is possible to go against Prophets.
Done in understandable ignorance, until one is not.
---Trav on 11/22/11


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Trav, what the prophets said was important. The whole Bible is important, that's why not one word should be added or taken away. God's Word remains forever. We are told those things happen to them for our good. Yet what they said was fulfilled in Christ. But you refuse to accept that. You want to remain with the prophets as if nothing was fulfilled. The reason you mention two or three witnesses or prophets. The problem with that is, God instituted that for those under the Mosaic Law. Not done under the covenant of grace. for no one is stoned to death now. And the reason I told you some time ago to move forward. Heb. tells us the Law was a shadown of things to come, because the Levitical system provided no way to enter His Holy presences.
---Mark_V. on 11/21/11


What you fail to see is that we are told not to change "one jot or one tittle ....
---Mark_V. on 11/19/11

You yet to show where I fail observing what the prophets have said in any jot or tittle.
A few months ago you didn't want to hear anything these guys said, at least you r going to the opposite end of the spectrum now.
---Trav on 11/19/11


The book of Acts is a skewed and somewhat fictitious account of the early church, the main purpose of which was to make it seem that the apostle Paul was beholden to the Jerusalem church, which, by his own testimony, he was surely not in the least.
---John.usa on 11/19/11


Trav, again you are right, what was told to Israel is true, that is why it is in the Word of God. What you fail to see is that we are told not to change "one jot or one tittle by no means pass from the law, till all is fulfilled"
It does not mean we are to live by the Old Testament Law, since Jesus is the fulfillment in the same sense that prophecy is fulfilled. He is the fulfillment of the law in all its aspects. What he is saying is that we should not change anything because after the Judgment when all is made right, we will have no need for anything to be fulfill anymore. If anyone teaches men to break the commandments is least in the kingdom of heaven. It does not say he will go to hell.
---Mark_V. on 11/19/11


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Fulfill really speaks of fulfillment in the same sense that prophecy is fulfilled.
He fulfilled ceremonial law by being the embodiment of...
He fulfilled the judicial law by personifying God's perfect justice.
---Mark_V. on 11/18/11

See that you see/understand in part.....but not why. Searching why answers who which leads to how....

Prophets of Israel prophecied to Israel, about Israel for Israel. As per all prophets, more explicitly in Jer 31:31 fulfilled in Heb 8.

Romans 9:4
Who are Israelites, to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises,
Not acknowledging or understanding does not make it less true.
---Trav on 11/18/11


Ok, maybe I get the just of your question now, I would probably adopt Marks words and add a few more. The Prophets foretold the coming of our Lord, while the law and commandments were a foreshadow of the crucifixion, the atonement on Calvary, and our need for a Savior and His Salvation. His statements you quoted were in the context of His fulfillment of all of the prophecies, laws/commandments He would keep to be the perfect and final sacrifice for sin, completely fulfilling the old covenant.
---Poppa_Bear on 11/18/11


Sorry, trav can you restate your question or thought, I am not sure what your asking or trying to say. My scull is a little thick I guess.
Adieu
---Poppa_Bear on 11/17/11


Trav, you are absolutely correct with the passage in Matthew 5:17. Jesus was not giving a new law or was He modifying the old, but explaining the true significance of the moral content of Moses Law and the rest of the Old.T. The Law and the prophets speaks of the entirety of the O.T. Scriptures, not the rabbinical interpretations of them. Fulfill really speaks of fulfillment in the same sense that prophecy is fulfilled. Christ was indicating He was the fulfillment of the law in all its aspects. He fulfilled the law by keeping it perfectly. He fulfilled the ceremonial law by being the embodiment of everything the law types and symbols pointed to. He fulfilled the judicial law by personifying God's perfect justice.
---Mark_V. on 11/18/11


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Nicely put Bear.
So everything they recorded was inspired and should link hand in hand with all Prophets of GOD.
Right?

---Trav on 11/15/11

Bear did you go Polar on me? No reply.

Matthew 5:17
Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

10:41He that receiveth a prophet in the name of a prophet shall receive a prophet's reward, he that receiveth a righteous man in the name of a righteous man shall receive a righteous man's reward.
---Trav on 11/17/11


Peter, maybe I did not make myself clear, let me try to answer you. When someone believes only parts of Scripture are true, they can use only what they want and if you present something from Scripture against what they say, they say, that part of Scripture is not truth to them. That is what I meant.
Of course there is those who believe the Bible is all Truth, but interpret it differently, then they could be in error or not, but the Truth is still the Truth.
I hope I made it clear. In the RCC the Bible is Truth, but their own Church Traditions are also Truth, even when it is not in the Bible. Traditions to them have the same authority the Bible has.
---Mark_V. on 11/16/11


God Breathed .....
The order of their words, understanding of prophecies, the illumination of words/events in the life of Jesus, their perspectives and factual records are all elements of Gods hand on them as they wrote.
---Poppa_Bear on 11/8/11

Nicely put Bear.
So everything they recorded was inspired and should link hand in hand with all Prophets of GOD.
Right?
Amazing how many go against these Prophets, or do not utilize the witnesses of them, in their doctrines or denominations.
They cannot. Doctrines of men could and would utilize them to the letter of if possible.
A mark by omission.
One prophet can chase a thousand preachers.
---Trav on 11/15/11


Mark V: 'It applies to only those who do not believe the Bible is the Word of God by faith'

That is not what Cluny is talking about. You may beleive the Bible is the Word of God, but then understand the Bible the way you alread beleive, or in the way you want to understand. It is extremely common in Church history
---Peter on 11/15/11


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Cluny, I completely disagree with your opinion when you said,
"That applies to everybody on these blogs."
It does not apply to everyone who answers here. It applies to only those who do not believe the Bible is the Word of God by faith. If you believe only parts of it is truth, then you choose to believe what you want and what you don't want. I'm sure you oppose that because you believe as the Catholic do, that Scripture alone is not the only Truth, that what your Church teaches is also truth even though most of what they teach is not in found in Scripture. There is only one Truth, that is the Word of God for God does not lie, sinful man does.
---Mark_V. on 11/14/11


//Does the opening chapters of the book of acts set forth the program for the church today?//
Pentecost was no secret, but the definite fulfiiment of prophecy (Acts 2:16, 3:21, 24,25)
Pentecost is a JEWISH feast associated with ISRAEL'S redemption.(Levi.23:15-21,Deut.16:16)
At pentecost, Israel was not yet set aside and was still God's channel of blessing to the nations (Acts 2:14,22.36, 3:25,26, Acts5:32)
---michael_e on 11/13/11


Like was born in Antioch Syria, he was of Greek extraction. In Acts his Greek usage moves between third person and first person several times. He was Paul's eminence while Paul was in prison in Rome. Most of the information regarding Christ ministry had to be collect from others after the fact as he has ho first had data to work with. Luke may have had access to Matthews and Marks manuscripts as a data source but most data are just embellished stories of others so sequence of events and who was at events differs from eye witness accounts of Matthew and John. Luke as had conservations of Mary the mother of Christ and Mary Magdalene and includes their accounts in his letters to Thelophilus.
---Blogger9211 on 11/10/11


One of the "great blunders of the church" is to try to begin the Church, the Body of Christ, on the day of Pentecost in Acts 2
---michael_e on 11/10/11


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The apostles and other godly persons in the new testament wrote what the Holy Spirit brought to their memory for the teaching to christians of future generations. These writings are the journals and letters of key godly witnesses of our Lord Jesus Christ.
---Steveng on 11/9/11


Cluny: 'That applies to everybody on these blogs.'

I think you overstate it a bit there.

BUT that is the problem when in a blog, as we can ignore people who disagree with us. That's why a church group is better - as long as the doctrine of that group is proper
---Peter on 11/9/11


\\ That refers to, a person who only believes what he wants to believe is Truth in Scripture\\

That applies to everybody on these blogs.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 11/9/11


Blogger9211, you have what I call, the "Rocky Problem". That refers to, a person who only believes what he wants to believe is Truth in Scripture, and the rest is not Truth and ignores. When you work that way, you can believe in whatever you want. You need to believe by faith in the Word, this way we are able to discuss passages in Scripture and their meanings better.
As for the Gospel of Luke and the book of Acts, were letters written to Theophilus. By using the word "we" in many sections of Acts we know he was a close companion of the Apostle Paul ( Acts 16:10-17: 20:5-15: 21:1-18: 27:1-28:16). The Book of Acts ends with Paul still in Rome.
---Mark_V. on 11/9/11


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Blogger9211, your account of Luke is one from the book of Disneyland. Scripture never said that Luke was a Greek and was converted by Paul. I am very sure that all the twelve apostles that followed Christ were Jews, including the son of perdition, Judas.

Based on the accounts in Acts, Paul was the last apostle of Jesus Christ to the Gentiles, who was converted by Christ on his way to persecute the Christians in Damascus. At this point, Christ mission on earth was already completed and He resurrected.

For you to say, "And for that matter No scripture is God breathed.", Paul contradicts you, "All scripture is given by inspiration of God..." 2 Timothy 3:16 - which is to say "God-breathed"!
---christan on 11/9/11


The pentecostal program isn't the program for the body of christ or the dispensation of grace.
---michael_e on 11/9/11


Historians point out that if Luke would have written after the death of Paul then he would have included the death of Paul in the book of Acts as a natural literary step. Deductive reasoning shows great probability that Luke wrote Acts while Paul was still alive. Luke is categorized as a member of the synoptic Gospels with Mark and Matthew, not including John, the Johnine Gospel standing apart in style, purpose and activities of our Lord. Also, God Breathed doesnt mean they sat down, went into a trance and wrote scripture. The order of their words, understanding of prophecies, the illumination of words/events in the life of Jesus, their perspectives and factual records are all elements of Gods hand on them as they wrote.
---Poppa_Bear on 11/8/11


Mark V., You have a significant problem you don't analyze information. Luke was Greek, Paul converted him outside of Palestine. Luke had never been to Palestine until Paul took him with him to Jerusalem. Luke had never been circumcised with caused the debate with the apostles weather none Jewish converts to Christianity needed to be circumcised.

Luke is not a gospel at all rather the first long to letter to Thelophilus he is tell stories that other people have told him that he was never privy to as an eye witness that is why the order of his events and who was at events differ from Matthew and John who are eye witness writers. And for that matter No scripture is God breathed.
---Blogger9211 on 11/8/11


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The book of Acts and all the Epistles are the very foundation built around Jesus Christ to build the faith of the Christian. And according to Paul, he admonishes the Christians,

"According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon. For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ." 1 Corinthians 3:10,11

There are now no more foundations left to be built after the completion of the Holy Bible. What's left now is the completion of the Body of Christ. According to His time, it will be completed.
---christan on 11/8/11


Blogger, I believe you are wrong concerning Luke on the book of Acts. He was present in many cases for the word of God tells us whenever you read "we" or "us" in the passages. And what Luke wrote was also inspired by God. To say, we should not take it with a grain of salt, is to say, not to trust what he wrote as Truth, and that Scripture is not inspired. "All Scripture is God-breathed" No Old Testament prophet, nor Jesus Christ, nor any New Testament writer gives any support for the idea that the portions of Scripture having to do with space-time events contain errors. Man spoke from God as the were carried along by the Holy Spirit.
---Mark_V. on 11/8/11


yes. The church in Acts was very good. It had problems but they worked it out in a godly way. The apostle provided leadership, deacons provided service of ministries, and the community provided for each other. Our issues are different but the pattern and devotion is absolutly how we should act (hence the name of the book) in today's church. However, there is no order of service which allows us to be creative, similiar, but different. Whether it be all hymns, rock music, internet, small attendance, large attendance. There was at least 3,000 people at the first church service.
---Scott1 on 11/8/11


Luke is just telling the multi handed embellished stories that other people have told to him. You do have you do have verifiable near eye witness accounts. All of Luke's letters to Thelophilus are after Paul's death.. Luke starts to become a viable commentator about Acts 13 when he is getting information directly from Paul about the first missionary journey. and he becomes an outstand eye witness commentator later in acts when he is Paul's eminences. The Gospel of Luke has a lot of problems as it is not an eye witness account of anything and anything exclusively in Luke and not collaborated my John or Matthew should be taken with a grain of salt.Theology in Luke is good the historical accuracy is poor.
---Blogger9211 on 11/7/11


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No, Early acts is a contiuation of the ministry found in Matt thru Jn(Heb 2:3,4)
Acts opens with a renewed opportunity of repentance extended to the nation of Israel, it concludes with salvation being sent to the gentiles apart from and in spite of the once favored nation.
compare acts 1,6 with acts 13:46, 28:28
compare acts 2:38 with acts 10:44-47 with acts 16:31
Acts 2:17 says israels "last days" not the Body of Christs first days
there was already a prophesied church in existence at pentecost.
Acts 2:47 "added to means there was something already there.
---michael_e on 11/7/11


understand that the church was and is those who put their faith in who,and what,and why jesus died on the cross to accomplish. his death was the sacrifice for our sins,his resurrection the good news of everlasting life, thru him.this is the church.
---tom2 on 11/7/11


Does a mother's journal of the first years of her baby's life set forth the program of how he's supposed to be as an adult?

Answer my question and you've answered your own.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 11/7/11


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