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Creation In Six Days

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Warwick, the Jewish day began at sunset- but thats not the issue.

Your problem is understanding God's past tense statements given at the end of His creative days- after both the 'evening and morning' had occurred.

Each creative 'day' ends with God saying 'there WAS evening (begining) and there WAS morning...' God says this at the end of each day Warwick, why do you think God used past tense verbs? Ignoring Bible grammar? Biblio-scepticism kicking in is it Warwick?

That's why God's 7th day has not ended yet because 1. we have not got there yet and, 2. God hasn't said 'and there WAS evening and morning... a 7th day'.

Paul understood God's 'day of rest' meant more than a 24 hour rest period for the Almighty!- Heb.4:10.
---David8318 on 11/14/11


OBVIOUSLY your insinuations are straithforward... do you wish to call me still a liar or finally accept that you SAID IT,
--andy 11/13/11
You are a liar. And apparently you don't know how to read. In my post, the only thing I insinuated was that I was against those things, not for them as you wrote. I was asking a question the answer to which clearly was "No" since I disagreed with what the poster said. Did you not see sentences start with "so" and have "by your reasoning" or end with a question mark? I clearly implied I did NOT believe those things - just the opposite of which you stated. You owe me an apology.
---Rocky on 11/14/11


Gordon//Okay, The Bible says that on the first Day of Creation the Night and Day was created ..

Confess that the first 'night and day' were different from the last 'night and days'. And that is the problem with believing all the creation 'days' or time periods had to be of 24 hour duration.

You assume too much in contrast to what is being told in the Genesis account of creation.
---lee1538 on 11/14/11


David, an easy question for you: Does each day begin at evening in the Middle east?
---Warwick on 11/14/11


\\We Earthlings know, by now, that a full Day and Night equal 24 hours. Are we all in agreement on that? \\

No, we're not.

That's because the rotation of the earth actually varies.

There was a time when the earth's rotation was only around 6 hours.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 11/14/11




Lee, God did not have to use any particular time-frame for creation. None the less He plainly says He created in 6 ordinary, what we call 24hr days. Those who accept this are those who have the faith to accept what God says, no matter the consequences.

You, and compromisers like you will not accept the obvious because it contradicts your antiBiblical long ages/evolution beliefs.

It all depends upon who you trust: God who is perfect, cannot lie and who was there or man who makes mistakes, lies, and was not there. What a hard choice, but too hard for you!
---Warwick on 11/14/11


\\It just commands it on Sabbath. I don't know if you understand the difference. \\

The Sabbath commandment, as given in the Decalogue, commands only rest from labor, and not worship.

I don't know if you understand the difference.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 11/14/11


Jack, Genesis was not written for God. Like the rest of Scripture it was written, for man, in mans terms. For example it uses terms such as sunrise, which relates only to us because that is what we on earth see.

God is eternal therefore does not live in time. Therefore He does not have days of any length. And there is nothing in all of Scripture which says so.
---Warwick on 11/14/11


LEE, What have you got against the Biblical 7th Day Sabbath that GOD established? And, what have you got against GOD having created all in 6 24-hour Days? This stuff is so easy to understand that even a little child could understand and would believe it. GOD does not make the basic things difficult. Mankind complicates GOD's simple things because of human pride, and/or Whatever.
---Gordon on 11/14/11


Jack, how do you know the bit about personal relationship with Jesus is to be taken as written if Genesis 1-3 isn't?

If the details of Genesis aren't the exact truth how come you believe other Scriptures are? Couldn't the bits about the gospel be poetry, or parable or allegory? Maybe they are just spiritual, not physical?

After all the NT says the gospel is directly based upon the events of Genesis 1-3. So do we have a physical reality based upon allegory or such?

Maybe Jesus didn't really rise from the dead, as some say. Does it matter?
---Warwick on 11/14/11




Rocky,

"if he did not spare the ancient world when he brought the flood on its ungodly people, but protected Noah, a preacher of righteousness, and seven others," 2 Peter 2:5

"and they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away. That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man." Matthew 24:39

Is this allegory, or such, or truth. "this is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man." Will it? Or is His return just allegory also?

Maybe Matthew had "small errors" as well? You know Rocky it was only written by a man as you say. Maybe His coming is only spiritual?
---Warwick on 11/14/11


Simon3478: 'Peter read Genesis 1:3-5 and you will see God created light'

Simon, I know God created light, before the sun. I just mean that 24 hours is defined as THE TIME FROM ONE SUNRISE TO THE NEXT (averaged over a year, I know).

I just mean that the 24 hours is defined by the sun, so before the sun existed, we have no complete evidence of the length of the day.

Perhaps you can see more, but on this I cannot.

Any help in seeing how Gen 1:1-5 helps define the length of the first three days will be greatly welcomed. But explain all the logic in the explanation
---Peter on 11/14/11


'God saw all that he had made, and it was very good. And there was evening, and there was morning- the sixth day'- Genesis 1:31. (NIV)

Notice the past tense aspects: what God 'HAD made... there WAS evening and there WAS morning...'

When God's 7th day ends, He will declare the same- 'there was evening and morning... a seventh day'. This has not been said by God yet. Thus God's 7th day has not ended.

The trinitarian Biblio-sceptic Warwick (11/14/11): 'Past tense, give me a break!'

So Warwick is right and God is wrong!? Of course not- its blind sanctimonious arrogance that governs Warwick's reasoning. Warwick cannot refute such logic, so he casts aside Bible grammar.
---David8318 on 11/14/11


//There is nothing in the bible that is against assembly on Sundays Wednesday or Thursdays. It just commands it on Sabbath. I don't know if you understand the difference.
---Francis on 11/13/11

Where does the Bible command Christians to observe the Jewish Sabbath, a command found ONLY in the Old Covenant and not mandated to Gentile believers at the Jerusalem council Acts 15?

At least you are consistent in your belief, howbeit consistently WRONG.

It seems hardshelled Adventists major in external deeds and very little on what is internal, of the heart. But such is the stone hearts of the legalists.
---lee1538 on 11/14/11


Since God created the heavens and the earth at His command, there is really no reason to restrict what He did to a clock on the wall. It did not take God 24 hours to make a command nor did He have to wait for some time to call the next event into place.

Those that claim God had to use a 24 hour clock are those that are hung up on observing the Sabbath (be is the Jewish Sabbath or the Christian Sabbath).
---lee1538 on 11/14/11


Okay, The Bible says that on the first Day of Creation the Night and Day was created. Right? We Earthlings know, by now, that a full Day and Night equal 24 hours. Are we all in agreement on that? Anyway, that first Craetion Day set the pattern for the time period of the remaining 5 Creation Days. Including the 7th Day of Sanctified Rest. It's simple. And, there need not be any extra-curricular activity read into it. GOD has made it PLAIN and EASY to understand. NOW, if we can just be like "little children", of which the Kingdom of GOD is inhabited, and take HIM at HIS (Written) Word. :-)
---Gordon on 11/14/11


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Amen Trav. And just as scripture states Gods day isnt the same as our day.

Psalm 90:4, 2 Peter 3:8

I agree some are afraid to question what the pastor has taught them, but if we want a closer relationship with our Creator we have to have the courage to test the spirits as the Holy Spirit commands us to.

God is found by those who seek him with all their heart.(Jer 29:13) You cant just take someone elses word for it.
---JackB on 11/14/11


Even if it took God 7000 years to create all the galaxies we see out there and much more that we have yet to discover, He's still a completely AWESOME God!
--Jack B 11/12/11
Amen.
---Rocky on 11/14/11

Amen Again.
Farthest planet we are aware of is 10 billion light years away. Light Years. Hmmm. Takes that long for light to reach earth. Now being created in front of the light could solve this....but, context is open about the stars in Gen.
I surmise that Earth was created out of the old matter in the universe.....instantly. By GOD.
Like Jack. One thousand year old day or one 24 hour day. He's GOD.
Some here are fearfully puffed up,that what they have preached might be found faulty. 600 times+ growing.
---Trav on 11/14/11


Warwick still can't see it! Warwick still doesn't understand the past tense statement given at the end of each respective Genesis 'day'- 'there was evening and morning'.

We all know when the day began in the ME- that's not the issue. Warwick's ranting about the ME is his red herring.

Warwick fails to see and ignores that God gave the 'evening morning' statement at the end of each day- after both 'evening and morning' events occurred. Warwick is unable to refute this other than to repeat his red herring.

Had we been alive during the middle of the 'first day', the 'evening morning' statement would logically not be given- yet the day had begun. Same will happen when the 7th day ends. Warwick's reasoning is ridiculous.
---David8318 on 11/14/11


If Genesis is not historical reality there is no reason to consider the gospel historical reality.
--Warwick 11/13/11
That is faulty logic. Even with creation and Bible stories that are allegorical that does not mean the gospel is not a historical reality.
---Rocky on 11/14/11

Not seeing,seeking or hearing he has his doctrine only.
Non Berean, he presumes his logic is GOD's commandment.
This book we hold is about the Historical Tree of Israel. Written by Israel to Israel and for Israel. GOD's wife. Ruling with EL. A servant people. A blessing to all peoples of the world. Very hard for doctrines today to eat this meat. Even though the sustaining witnesses are by thousands in scripture.
Isaiah 62:4.
---Trav on 11/14/11


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Even if it took God 7000 years to create all the galaxies we see out there and much more that we have yet to discover, He's still a completely AWESOME God!
--Jack B 11/12/11
Amen.
---Rocky on 11/14/11


Of course its primary value is bringing people to Jesus rather than being a source of doctrine.
---Rocky on 11/14/11


Exactly!

I dont think Christ is gonna be too worried about what denomination we belonged to, or whether or not we believe in infant baptism, or whether or not we believe in predestination to damnation and salvation etc etc.

These arguments just serve to divide the body of Christ. Its the work of the devil. Noone will want into the family of God if we spend our time spewing venom at one another because we dont all hold the same doctrine.

Personal relationship with Jesus Christ > a perfect doctrine
---JackB on 11/14/11


I am beginning to think that the subject is rather futile as at the word of God, things come into existence.

Romans 4:17 as it is written, I have made you the father of many nations-in the presence of the God in whom he believed, who gives life to the dead and calls into existence the things that do not exist.

Only those who believe obedience to law will gain them favor with God are the ones believing in a 24 hour creation day, God is limited by our concept of time.
---lee1538 on 11/14/11


David, everyone knows each 24hr day is composed of daylight and darkness.

In the western world we consider each day starts with morning (daylight) however in the Middle-East each day begins at "evening." Saturday,the Sabbath, commences at "evening" Friday because in ME terms Saturday has now begun. This is fact, not opinion. Have you been there?

Why does each day begin at "evening" in the ME? Because God's word says there was evening, and there was morning-one day.

Relevantly Sabbath means "cease" the cessation of work. When does work cease? Friday at "evening" which is Saturday, the Sabbath. Work it out!

Past tense, give me a break!
---Warwick on 11/14/11


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If Genesis is not historical reality there is no reason to consider the gospel historical reality.
--Warwick 11/13/11
That is faulty logic. Even with creation and Bible stories that are allegorical that does not mean the gospel is not a historical reality. Further, the NT, where we read the gospel, could be have small errors without that affecting the essential historical reality of the NT and its infallibility on critical doctrine. Of course its primary value is bringing people to Jesus rather than being a source of doctrine.
---Rocky on 11/14/11


Warwick 11/13/11 - :Later post
Jesus and the apostles quoted from Genesis alone 200 times, always as historical truth.
Genesis has 50 chapters. Where did they say specifically that the creation or flood stories were historical reality?
Hosea 4:6 says "my people are destroyed from lack of knowledge.....because you have ignored the law of your God"
So? Again that does not say the two stories were literal or that they were referring to them.
Punished and exiled because they did not follow the instructions God wrote for them. No allegory here!
Again that does not say the two stories were literal or that people were punished for anything related to those stories.
---Rocky on 11/14/11


It all comes down whether people are prepared to believe God can light the earth without the sun.
--Warwick 11/13/11 another post
No it does not. More misdirection. It does NOT come down to a question of "can" God but "did" God. HUGE difference. One can acknowledge the first while still denying or questioning the second.
---Rocky on 11/14/11


Warwick, You're saying "just believe it because it is written?"
There were no recording devices, not even pen and paper,
Who recorded God's conversation with ...who?
How can you be dogmatic about semantics when the "gist" of the story is there but how accurate and in what language?
In this case "logic" becomes necessary!
---1st_cliff on 11/14/11


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Peter read Genesis 1:3-5 and you will see God created light. For the first time there was daytime, and nighttime. And God said -there was evening and there was morning-the first day.

It all comes down whether people are prepared to believe God can light the earth without the sun.
---Warwick on 11/13/11

Revelation 22 v5 (even though I would not claim to fully understand all of the details of Revelation, God is the Light, He is the Creator of all things and I have no doubt in my mind that He can create or provide light without the sun).
---Simon3478 on 11/14/11


Rocky, Jesus and the apostles quoted from Genesis alone 200 times, always as historical truth.

Torah means 'law' and became the name of the first 5 books of the OT. It also carries the meaning of "teaching", or instruction."

Hosea 4:6 says "my people are destroyed from lack of knowledge.....because you have ignored the law of your God,..."

Isaiah 5:13 ". my people will go into exile for lack of understanding,.."-lack of knowledge, understanding-rejected knowledge, law alien, don't know the requirements of their God.

Also Hosea 8:12, Jeremiah 5:4

Punished and exiled because they did not follow the instructions God wrote for them. No allegory here!
---Warwick on 11/13/11


Peter read Genesis 1:3-5 and you will see God created light. For the first time there was daytime, and nighttime. And God said -there was evening and there was morning-the first day.

It all comes down whether people are prepared to believe God can light the earth without the sun.
---Warwick on 11/13/11


Well well well, we do have a seven-day week, don't we?
---Bill_willa6989 on 11/13/11


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Then certainly in His unlimited power He could give us the experience without the jeopardy also.

That is what Christ was sent for.
---JackB on 11/13/11


Cliff if we judge God's word by fallen sinful man's logic then all Scripture is up for grabs. It then becomes what each individual can imagine possible!

Consider John 3:12 "I have spoken to you of earthly things and you do not believe, how then will you believe if I speak of heavenly things?" He has obviously written the earthly things of Genesis for us and says we must believe it is truth. If we doubt the truth of the earthly things we have no foundation to believe the heavenly things.

It bothers me you spend such time and effort undermining God's word in this foundational book of beginnings. If Genesis is not historical reality there is no reason to consider the gospel historical reality.
---Warwick on 11/13/11


---Warwick 11/13/11 (1/2)
that the Jew have not taken the Torah as revealed truth is why God many times punished them
He punished them for their sinful behavior not because they did not believe the scriptures literally
see 2 Timothy 3:16
Nothing in that verse states the creation story is not allegorical. An allegorical story can be "profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness" just like parables.
(continued)
---Rocky on 11/13/11


Warwick fails to understand past tense statements.

Lets play along with Warwick in his understanding of the Genesis 'evening and morning' and imagine we are in the middle of the 'first day', say just before morning. Evening has occurred, but not 'the morning'. So God can't yet say 'there was evening and morning a first day' because the morning and the rest of the day has not occurred... yet the day has nevertheless begun.

Its only toward the end of the day after both evening and morning can God say, 'there was evening and morning... a first day'.

We are somewhere in the middle of God's 7th day. It's begun, but not yet ended. When it does, God will say, 'there was evening and morning a 7th day'.
---David8318 on 11/13/11


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Warwick: It seems more reasonable, but some questions about 144 hours may be asked by a person who is logical.

The main question is because a 'day' in the Bible is taken to be one day (when the sun is up) and one night (when the sun is down). In the first three days, there was no sun, so one could ask how we know the 24hours - after we have the sun, fine, 24 hours for sure. But before?

For me it is not important - I prefer 24 hours, but won't argue about it
---Peter on 11/13/11


Rocky, that the creation days are ordinary 24hr days is suported by many Scriptues. Those who reject this have have no contrary Scriptures, they don't exist.

Genesis 1 is written in prosaic Hebrew, which-not poetry, or allegory, or parable but straight-forward Hebrew. The type used to write an instruction manual.

In Mark 10:6 Jesus (who was there) says man was made "at the beginning of creation." This fits if He made man a few days after commencing creation. However it is nonsense even if the creation days are 1000 years long, let alone billions.

Further God gave the Sabbath command (work 6-days rest the 7th day) directly based upon His 6 days of creation and 7th of rest. No other time-scale is given.
---Warwick on 11/13/11


Rocky that the Jew have not taken the Torah (and other Scriptures) as revealed truth is why God many times punished them (defeats/exiles) over milennia. However there have always been Jews who did take it as revealed truth. Paul the Pharisee is a good example-see 2 Timothy 3:16.

I also remember a lecture given by Rabbi Chriqui, most definitely a believer that the Torah is God's revealed truth. Six 24hr day creation, and all. He is far from alone.

If we search the NT we find that Jesus and His apostles quoted from, or alluded to the first 11 books of Genesis no less that 107 times, and always as historical reality.

You say your faith in Jesus is literal but your faith in the Bible isn't? Quite some contradiction there!
---Warwick on 11/13/11


Rocky "What empty, faithless arrogance" was not directed at you.

From the wording of Genesis 1:3-5 note that 'day' is used with a number. It is used as a singular or plural with a number 410 times outside of Genesis and it
always means an ordinary day. For example Numbers 7:11-78

'Evening' and 'morning' are used together without 'day' 38 times outside Genesis 1 and it always indicates an ordinary day.

'Evening' or 'morning' are used 23 times each with 'day' outside Genesis 1 and it always means an ordinary day.

And 'night' is used with 'day' 52 times and it always indicates an ordinary day.

---Warwick on 11/13/11


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David, "And there was evening and there was morning" denote the beginning and the ending of a day in Middle Eastern terms. Saturday is the Sabbath. The Sabbath begins at evening Friday, when Friday ends and Saturday begins. Sunday begins at 'evening' on Saturday.

If the lack of "there was evening and there was morning" mean the 7th day never ended, then by the same reasoning it never began. But it did begin, and it did end because as Exodus 20:8-11 confirms it was an ordinary 24hr day.
---Warwick on 11/13/11


--JackB 11/13/11
Some things are better experienced than just known, Rocky.
Then certainly in His unlimited power He could give us the experience without the jeopardy also.
We have to accept the fact that the Creator is wiser than his creation and just trust Him.
Well that is a discussion stopper. Yes, I accept it is part of the mystery.
---Rocky on 11/13/11


God is not constricted to 144 hours but did establish the 7 day week.

God who exists eternally in both directions, who is dynamic in energy, does not need a 24 hour 'break'! God's 'day of rest' has far deeper meaning than that!- Heb.4:10.

God's 7th day has not yet ended with 'there was evening and morning... a 7th day'. Fundamentalists say: 'if the lack of 'evening and morning' means it never ended, by the same logic it never began'. What logic do they refer to?

Christians are encouraged to 'enter Gods rest' because it is still ongoing- Heb.4:10.

Moses, writing about creation knew God's count of time was not the same as mans- 'For a thousand years in your sight are like a day that has just gone by...'- Ps.90:4 (NIV).
---David8318 on 11/13/11


Leaving NO room for private interpretaion WHEN the Scriptures are clear on a certain given Issue And, GOD is a GOD of Truth. And, HE wants us to know the Truth.
--Gordon 11/12/11
How can you say that when the Bible is not clear on doctrinal issues of much greater importance than the number of days it took? Its even silent on the issue if its own inerrancy.
Jesus did not say he was going to leave a book to guide us in truth but the Holy Spirit. He clearly intended we look inside for the truth, not in a book like the Pharisees had been reading and parsing for thousands of years.
---Rocky on 11/13/11


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--Warwick 11/12/11
They have been asked, repeatedly, to give Scriptural support for their disbelief. They have not done so because they cannot do so.
That still does not make it wrong.
Where is it written that the days were meant to be taken literally? What grammar and logic support this as you state?
Genesis and the creation story comes from the Torah, which Judaism did not take every word literally. When was it accorded more "realism" and who added it?
What empty, faithless arrogance.
And the derogatory personal attacks continue. My faith is in Jesus, which is important. Faith in an inerrant Bible is not. And the arrogance is yours. I admit my questions and difficulty understanding His mysteries.
---Rocky on 11/13/11


Some things are better experienced than just known, Rocky.

We can't understand God's ways. He is very clear about that in scripture. His ways are higher than our ways and He sees far more than we ever possibly could. This is where faith comes in. We have to accept the fact that the Creator is wiser than his creation and just trust Him.

Man had to experience sin for some reason and that is why God allowed it. Obviously just having knowledge of good wasnt enough for man, otherwise Eve would not have been tempted to "be like God" and know good and evil.

Perhaps God is the only being in existance that can handle having the knowledge of evil without actually doing it. Maybe thats what He is trying to teach us.
---JackB on 11/13/11


Warwick,Again you're reading me wrong.
I believe all those things you list,it's not telling God what He can do.
Regardless of how perfect Adam was he was still limited.
God is not!
Going thru all those things in your mind,one by one, it's not possible to fit them in one day's activity!
You just emerge from dust ,how long does it take to adjust to who and what you are? seconds??? really??
And Eve???
And name the creatures??
Where's the logic??
---1st_cliff on 11/13/11


lit.Hb and Gk: "For a thousand years in your sight that yesterday when it is past, and a watch in the night. Now upon this let not be hidden from you, beloved, that one day of Lord that a thousand years, and a thousand years that day one. But of the tree of knowledge of good and bad see that you eat not: for even the same day you eat, of it you will, dying you will die. So all the days of Adam which he lived, were nine hundred and thirty years, and then he died." Ps.90:4+ II Pt.3:8+ Gn.2:17+ 5:5.
---Eloy on 11/13/11


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Cliff, we, the imperfect cannot concieve the physical and intellectual capacities of Adam, created perfect.

That you tell God what He can and can't do, never fails to amaze me.

Man says the dead do not rise but Jesus spoke and Lazarus' rotten body was recreated. You probably believe this actually happened, but why? Man says it cannot happen.

"the blind receive their sight and the lame walk, lepers are cleansed and the deaf hear, and the dead are raised up, and the poor have good news preached to them." Matthew 11:5 Was this trick or Truth? If you do believe it actually happened by whose power did it happen. Why do you choose to believe this demonstration of God's power when you reject other demonstrations?
---Warwick on 11/13/11


//If He could create everything there is in 7 literal days, rather than 7,000 years, that would make Him even MORE AWESOME!!! (Which has been my point to begin with.)
---

I rather doubt if God is governed by our concept of time.

While He may have or may not have created the earth and everything in it in 6 literal days, we have to admit that the Genesis record does not tell us that all the creation days were of 24 hour duration.

Those that believe all the creation days were of 24 hour duration simply are basing their belief on what is known as an ASSUMPTION.

It is really those that believe in observing the Sabbath (be it the Jewish Sabbath or that sunday replaced the Jewish Sabbath) that have a problem.
---lee1538 on 11/13/11


JackB: "I dont care if it was 7 days or 7000 years. ...
He's still a completely AWESOME God!

And just how awesome is He if He actually took 7000 years, but wrote in stone that He took 7 days? Wouldn't that make Him a liar?

How long is your week, anyway? And what is it based upon?
---jerry6593 on 11/13/11


ROCKY WHAT YOU SAID


--andy3996...
So by your reasoning anything that causes troubles in the family is an evil straight from hell. So the "terrible twos", a child with mental problems, or even one family member converting to Christianity in a non-Christian home are all evils straight from hell? In addition to things causing troubles in the family, are there any other categories of things that are not written but still straight from hell? on 11/4/11
OBVIOUSLY your insinuations are straithforward.... do you wish to call me still a liar or finally accept that you SAID IT, FRANKLY i respect atheist better, at least he's not pretending to be something he isn't
---andy3996 on 11/13/11


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Rocky, You have the freedom to not think that it makes no difference how long it took GOD to create. But, it does. It helps us to see exactly how GOD is. Leaving NO room for private interpretaion WHEN the Scriptures are clear on a certain given Issue. Which it is here. Again, 6 Days is...6 Days. Truth is the other Issue here. And, GOD is a GOD of Truth. And, HE wants us to know the Truth.
---Gordon on 11/12/11


Gordon, yes, in one sense the entire Bible is open to interpretation. But I believe its primary purpose is to bring us to Jesus, his message, and particularly the plan of salvation. It clearly does that as it is the central point of the NT. Jesus clearly explained His philosophy for righteous living, and if we follow the positive steps He identified we should be ok. But further, we are provided His Spirit to guide us in interpreting the Bible and in life. I don't think it makes one wit of difference whether the creation took 6 days or 6 million years. It doesn't change the essential message of the NT.
---Rocky on 11/12/11


JackB, Yes. GOD is Awesome! But, If He could create everything there is in 7 literal days, rather than 7,000 years, that would make Him even MORE AWESOME!!! (Which has been my point to begin with.)
---Gordon on 11/12/11


I dont care if it was 7 days or 7000 years.

Even if it took God 7000 years to create all the galaxies we see out there and much more that we have yet to discover, He's still a completely AWESOME God!
---JackB on 11/12/11


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Rocky, With the logic that you just expressed, you leave the entire Bible open to be interpreted by anybody, in whatever way they happen to feel like. You're conveying the sense that there can be no absolute set Truth as to what has taken place in GENESIS and that there's "no way" that "anybody can really, truly know what happened". But, that is absolute nonsense. In your earlier comments on the Blog expressing the Conditional Security of Salvation, you were on target. But, HERE, you're way off, friend. Sorry. But, "six days" means "Six Days", Six, literal, 24-hour Days of Creation. This is not a Parable, Rocky. It's just a Fact of what happened. If you'd just believe it, GOD will enlighten you further.
---Gordon on 11/12/11


The FACT that the 10 commandments is the Old Covenant is clearly stated in 1 Kings 8,9,21 If something was declared to be "OLD" then we can believe that something was replaced by something "NEW", and if OLD then it is no longer applicable (Obsolete).
--lee1538 11/12/11
I don't understand your point. I see nothing in the scriptures you cited that say anything about an "Old Covenant" as you write, further I have no idea how it applied to this thread or any posts herein.
---Rocky on 11/12/11


Scripture plainly says creation took place over 6 ordinary days. It gives no other time scale.

BiblioSceptics reject this. They have been asked, repeatedly, to give Scriptural support for their disbelief. They have not done so because they cannot do so.

Conversely overwhelming evidence that creation occurred in 6 ordinary 24hr days has been given, from Scripture, grammar and logic but this has been ignored by the BiblioSceptics. Why? Obviously not for Biblical reasons. They reject 6-day creation and the world-wide flood only because of AntiBiblical long-ages/evolutionary ideas they impose upon Scripture.

And this from some who have the temerity to lecture others on Biblical doctrine. What empty, faithless arrogance.
---Warwick on 11/12/11


As I have stated before, the time frame of day 6 (24hrs.) does not meet realistic standards.
IE- Sure God could do it but not Adam who was a human and limited to human endeavors!
There's not enough hours in day 6 to accomplish all things stated!
#1 The creation of thousands of different creatures
#2 Creation of Adam (had to have time to ajust to being alive and being a human)

#3 Creation of eve from Adam (again time was necessary)
#4 Naming all the creatures, (requiring much time)
day 6 = peiod of time
---1st_cliff on 11/12/11


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The FACT that the 10 commandments is the Old Covenant is clearly stated in 1 Kings 8,9,21

9 There was nothing in the ark except the two tablets of stone that Moses put there at Horeb, where the LORD made a covenant with the people of Israel, when they came out of the land of Egypt.

21 And there I have provided a place for the ark, in which is the covenant of the LORD that he made with our fathers, when he brought them out of the land of Egypt.

If something was declared to be "OLD" then we can believe that something was replaced by something "NEW", and if OLD then it is no longer applicable (Obsolete).
---lee1538 on 11/12/11


--Gordon 11/11/11
Why could the Almighty GOD NOT create everything in 6 literal, 24-hour Days?! YES.
The question here is not "could" He but "did" He.
I know HE did because the Bible is plain about the time.
Why do you assume it is "plain" about time? Why could it not be allegorical? Jesus' parables show that He used stories to convey teachings.
All we need to do is accept what the Scriptures say at Face Value
Why accept them at face value? Judaism did not believe in the literal word in their Bible, from which we get Genesis. Why attribute a higher degree of realism than they did to their story?
---Rocky on 11/12/11


Fossils of the new species, Australopithecus sediba, were discovered in 2008 in a cave in South Africa. Initial research concluded that the species came too late in the fossil record to be the ancestor of the Homo lineage. However, a range of new research into sediba concluded sediba did predate Homo erectus and that parts of its anatomy are surprisingly similar to modern man.
They lived 1.977m years ago, predating the appearance of Homo erectus by 77,000 years. The consensus had been that habilis was a transitional form between Australopithecus and Homo erectus. Dr Berger posits that sediba may have evolved directly into Homo erectus. Slowly the origin of the strange assemblage of characters that makes a human being human is emerging.
---Rocky on 11/12/11


--Gordon 11/12/11
For, as YAHUSHUA said Himself, in the NT, that the very Scriptures testified of Him.
That does not mean the entire Old Testament should be read literally or that it is inerrant. That is no proof.
GOD says it's all MY Written Word.
Please cite where God said that about the OT and NT. Jesus said he would leave a Spirit to guide us but never mentioned leaving a book to guide us.
Religious man divides up the Old from the New Testaments.
Indeed man wrote down, copied and recopied, translated, and selected which books to put in the Bible and wrote the words after comparing many different manuscripts over centuries of time.
---Rocky on 11/12/11


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Rocky, I can hardly believe you just said what you said. Yes, one does need to believe in the Old Testament Word in order to believe in YAHUSHUA, )Whom you call JESUS CHRIST). For, as YAHUSHUA said Himself, in the NT, that the very Scriptures testified of Him. The Old Testament Writings of Moses, etc. testified of YAHUSHUA. Religious man divides up the Old from the New Testaments. GOD says it's all MY Written Word.
---Gordon on 11/12/11


Both verses are true & apply for our example & instruction.God did rest on the seventh day but only for an example of what He wanted us to follow. He NEVER NEEDS rest. That was for OUR benefit. Believe it or not there are some people who would work 24/7 if they didn't feel that Sunday was the Lord's day. The "rest" was for us alone. The "Rest" has nothing to do with God's needs. Haven't you parents or uncles & aunts ever done something for the children in your family only for setting an example to show them what should be done? Same principle here.
---Reba on 11/12/11


Isaiah 40:28 "Hast thou not known? hast thou not heard, that the everlasting God, the LORD, the Creator of the ends of the earth, fainteth not, neither is weary?"
So, which verse applies? The verse that says God rested, or the verse that says He does NOT rest?
--Cluny 11/11/11
Perhaps both. They are not necessarily mutually exclusive or contradictory. Haven't you ever rested when you were not weary of faint? Genesis never said God had to rest, just that he did. Besides which the creation story may not be literal and the resting on the 7th day may simply have been direction to man.
---Rocky on 11/12/11


Without a shoadow of boubt I believe that. That is what God says
--francis 11/11/11
Actually it's what the Bible says, not necessarily what God said. There is much in the Bible, historical reports and other, that is not what "God says". And the Bible was compiled man. The OT first was an oral tradition of the Jewish people, then written in the Torah and copied many times over. The oldest available copy The NT was compiled by man from a large collection of copied manuscripts, not originals, that were copied many times over by man. Man continued revising what books to include in the Bible up to the 16th century. Today some different Bibles have different books.
---Rocky on 11/12/11


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Isaiah 40:28 Does not contrasict. Gen2:1-3 "Thus the heavens and the earth were FINISHED, and all the host of them. And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made, and he rested on the seventh day FROM ALL HIS WORK which he had made. And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had RESTED FROM ALL HIS WORK which God created and made." Simply means He ceased from His work, it was/is finished.
---Chria9396 on 11/12/11


//Jerry's doing it again..." Askin' the same ole question over, & over & over & over & over & over &

That is because Jerry (as well as Francis) believe that obedience to the 10 commandments is the prerequisite to eternal life.

They tell us that the Jewish Sabbath will even be observed in the New Earth, where there is no sun (Ellen White will ring the bell to announce when the Sabbath begins & ends).

Poor souls, they have to ignore so many plain meanings of scripture in order to have their sabbath.
---lee1538 on 11/12/11


I am inclined to not believe in the literal creation story as written in the Bible. The OT is based on the Jewish Bible and in Judaism there had never been a belief in the literal word. Further, the geological record shows otherwise.
Creation stories with many common elements are found throughout human culture, likewise flood stories are prevalent throughout human culture.
One does not need to believe in a literal OT to believe in Jesus, his message, and his mission.
---Rocky on 11/11/11


The real question is whether God is bound up into human time, and whether He gets so tired He has to rest.

In fact, my Bible says,

Isaiah 40:28
Hast thou not known? hast thou not heard, that the everlasting God, the LORD, the Creator of the ends of the earth, fainteth not, neither is weary? there is no searching of his understanding.

So, which verse applies? The verse that says God rested, or the verse that says He does NOT rest?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 11/11/11


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NO...
---NurseRobert on 11/11/11


I'm gonna be a tattle-tale here-
"Cluny, Jerry's doing it again..." Askin' the same ole question over, & over & over & over & over & over &
Where's the moderator? Why keep posting this same thing???? You must find it a bit comical, I admit I find it to be one of the goofiest things I've come across in a while. It might be a bit funny if it wasn't so...well, weird. :-))))
---Reba on 11/11/11


Why could the Almighty GOD NOT create everything in 6 literal, 24-hour Days?! YES. I know HE did because the Bible is plain about the time. One does not need Old Manuscripts, Greek Lexicons, picks, shovels and excavating cranes to figure out and to see what is plain and simple in Black and White. All we need to do is accept what the Scriptures say at Face Value. And in this particular Passage and Context. It's not an Allegory or a Parable. It IS just what it says.
---Gordon on 11/11/11


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