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Healed From Bi-Polar Disorder

Ephesians 4:13, I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me. Be that said from God's word, does that mean I can be healed from bi-polar disorder?

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Warwick, God said to Adam Gen.1.28. "Rule over the birds, fish and animals" (paraphrase)
How do you rule over (manage) a school of fish?
a flock of geese,herd of cattle,alligators,elephants etc... if they never die?
We have fish and wildlife management in this country which sometimes necessitate "culling" to keep nature in balance.
Seeing that fishermen don't deplete the stock etc..
That's "management"
What do you think God meant when telling Adam to "rule over"??
---1st_cliff on 12/7/11

Cliff you have, a few times, posted "immortality???" without explanation. I have asked you to explain but as usual you have not replied to my question.

As Scripture says-the wages of sin is death-why should God not show Adam and Eve the ugliness of death? God had told them what they could and could not do but they disobeyed Him. How is this therefore after the fact?

What makes me 'tick?' Faith in God and His word does, and forgiveness given to me by Jesus the living God does. You should try it.

No one erects statues to sceptics.
---Warwick on 12/7/11

\\Cliff, I think it likely God slaughtered animals to show Adam and Eve (who had never seen death) the disturbing consequences of their sin.\\

Please give book, chapter, and verse where it said that God slaughtered animals before Adam and Eve.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/7/11

Just saying you can be healed is not good enough you have to know through Gods word that you can and will be healed and those that pray for you have to know the same or you will get up sick...
---Carla on 12/7/11

Warwick, **Move on to the next doubt on your list**
No, I'm picking your mind to see what makes you tick!
You've yet to answer my questions especially "immortality"
**To show them the consequences..**
"AFTER" they sinned??? really?
What law is only revealed "After" you break it???
This is not justice and God "is" just!
They would have had death revealed "before" sin, that's the way it works!
Ask any lawyer/lawmaker!
Nice try tho!
---1st_cliff on 12/7/11

Cliff 2: Everything in the Plan of God was ordained. Every detail was taken care of. The sin that man would do, the fall, and the sin that man does out of his own heart. God did not miss one thing. All is complete before Him who does not live in time. What we see happening is the unfolding eternal plan of God. No one knows what happens tomorrow, only God. Even those who were appointed to believe, believe.
"And when the Gentiles heard this, they began rejoicing and glorifying the word of the Lord, and as many as were appointed to eternal life believed" ( Acts 13:48).
---Mark_V. on 12/7/11

Ist Cliff,
about the poor: Many become embittered, thinking of the injustice, and how could a sovereign God allow? I dont know much, but I know He is sovereign. I know He loves the poor, and that with a far greater love than we do. Self righteousness brings indignation sometimes. I struggled with understanding this as a new Christian. I dont understand fully, but I honestly believe that He has shown me a few little things in the whole scheme of things. One is that He is able, He has the means to provide for all. He blesses. He also puts people in different situations, entrusting to them to do certain things. He has given dominion, and it is our responsibility as His body to love, to do the good works He would have us do. cont
---chria9396 on 12/7/11

2)If all did/loved as He, there would be no poverty. It's that simple. Most can do more, through Him. His heart breaks more than ours at pain and suffering. He bless as He chooses. needs met is a blessing, yet,often when in need, hearts are open to Him. True too, hearts can be hardened to Him. How can I think I can in any way fully understand His ways, so above my own. That is vanity. I just trust He is who He says He is and is able to do ALL that He says. Manifested in the here and now or not. He alone is all powerful, mighty, the all wise God, PERFECT in all His ways. Ours (ways)are an abomination to Him. That he would work a bit of His into our hearts and minds is miraculous, wonderful, of greater worth than the things we so highly esteem.
---chria9396 on 12/7/11

Cliff, I think it likely God slaughtered animals to show Adam and Eve (who had never seen death) the disturbing consequences of their sin.

Cane toads were imported here to eat beetles which were destroying sugar cane. They multiplied and spread over vast areas, killing native predators because they are poisonous. The scientists acted in good faith but did not forsee this disaster. Do you imagine that God likewise did not know the future and had not planned for it? He is the Beginning and the End, who sees the end from the beginning-Isaiah 46:10,

Do you notice you (the BiblioSceptic) continually pose what to you are difficulties. I answer them and ask questions. You don't answer just move on to the next doubt on your list.
---Warwick on 12/7/11

Warwick, Think this through,
Why did Australia build hundreds of miles of rabbit fences?
If locusts never died we would not have a crop to reap,or tomato worms, potato bugs. Do crocs eat grass? or gulls,or sharks.
If the fauna never died, we could not live on this planet, do you not know about the "natural food chain" when it's upset by over hunting nature goes awry!
God killed animals to clothe Adam and Eve when He could have just "spoke" a new suit into existence???
Don't give me that "covering sin" bit,the sentence had already been given!
---1st_cliff on 12/6/11

Cliff, murder is specifically the homicide of a human. Nonetheless we are far far more likely to be upset by the death of a dog for example, than a gnat! Splat goes another gnat, fancy that.
What was Adam and Eves food pre-sin?
When was mankind told meat was on the menu?
Man's sin brought death into the world and as evidenced by the flood epic was the cause of the death of countless animals. Sin=death of man and animals.
You avoid Romans 8:22 which says the whole of creation is suffering because of Adams sin.
Cliff, when did God kill the animals, before or after Adams sin?

Either you are having a little fun or you have no idea of Bible chronology.
---Warwick on 12/6/11

Cliff, thanks for asking. First, take your human cap off and view things from God's point of view.
God, created a perfect plan. He knows the beginning and the end of that plan. He never makes mistakes. He knows all things. He has told us through the prophets what will happen, and they have come to pass. Nothing within the plan can be change by man. If it changed, then God is not God but an Architect who made many mistakes. But God has seen the end and has told us what will happen in the end. If one little thing could change something already in His plan, He would be like Napoleon going to His second plan, and then a third and so on. He would be an Architect who messed up real bad, and future things would not be according to His Word.
---Mark_V. on 12/6/11

Micha0344, It's obvious that neither you nor your children are part of the 30,000 that will die today and every day from hunger related diseases. Stomachs bloated, skin pulled over bones,flies crawling in eyes running around in Jeeps with machine guns killing at random...Tell me how God is in control!!!
"Blaming" God is what satan likes so you don't see the real culprit behind the scenes!!
---1st_cliff on 12/5/11

People express their understanding of healing and try to persuade you Jesus cannot operate to heal today... my suggestion is to google the subject there are compelling instances in Africa where a woman is healed before your very eyes evidence of severe skin conditions just through 'The name of Jesus' Physical tares blood and scales cover this woman's mouth and body and the days after her healing is visible praise the Lord.

The bible demonstrates that your elders are to pray believing..... if they are not believing you'll get up sick ( simple As...)

I believe Jesus & word DO YOU? then you will be healed( The WORD>>> The Word>>> the word<<<)
---Carla on 12/5/11

The point of establishing God's kingdom is only for His children, the Elect, those who believe by faith.
---Mark_V. on 12/5/11

Yes and Jesus clearly told those before His Crucifixion. MY KINGDOM is not of this world. THIS is why we are crucifiied to this world and this world to us.

WE are no longer part of this world system...WHY, because this world system is under Satan's control.

Jesus won victory over DEATH at the cross, for those who place their faith in Him, however that FINAL VICTORY is still yet to come at Jesus 2nd coming. THEN there will be peace on earth as there is in Heaven WHEN Jesus takes His earthly throne for 1000 years and RULES then, as we rule and reign with Him.
---kathr4453 on 12/5/11

Exo 14:8 And the LORD hardened the heart of Pharaoh king of Egypt, and he pursued after the children of Israel: and the children of Israel went out with an high hand.
Pro 21:1 The king's heart [is] in the hand of the LORD, [as] the rivers of water: he turneth it whithersoever he will.
Gen 50:20 But as for you, ye thought evil against me, [but] God meant it unto good, to bring to pass, as [it is] this day, to save much people alive.
Job 1:21-22 And (Job) said, Naked came I out of my mother's womb, and naked shall I return thither: the LORD gave, and the LORD hath taken away, blessed be the name of the LORD. In all this Job sinned not, nor charged God foolishly.
...unlike others...
---micha9344 on 12/5/11

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Mark V, Think about it Mark! This disease ridden,dog eat dog world is under God's supervision???
This is satan's world 'till he's bound and thrown into Tartarus along with his errant angel followers. This is "basic" scriptural knowledge!
Iraq Iran, Syria, Egypt, North Korea,Somalia etc etc is all part of God's Plan???
Mark pleeeease!
---1st_cliff on 12/5/11

No this is not His world neither is he in control of it!
Ah but one day He will be!
---1st_cliff on 12/4/11

I totally agree here 1st Cliff. When Jesus was tested 40 days Satan offered Jesus ALL teh kingdoms of the world. IF God were in control of the earth, Why then didn't Jesus rebuke Satan and correct him.

Revelation 11 tell us at the end, when Jesus Comes again the Kingdom's of this world will THEN become the Kingdom of Christ's...After the Beast and anti-Christ are overthrown...and when Jesus reiigns and rules for 1000 years.

Jesus rejected Satan's offer, the Anti-Christ will accept that offer...but only for a short time!
---kathr4453 on 12/5/11

Cliff, you said,
"Mark V, Do you not know that Jesus said "I am no part of this world"?" Of course. He is God. In His deity He created this world. You then suggest that He is not ruling this earth, If He is not Supreme Ruler, Supreme means 'ultimate Ruler" and His not ruling, He then is not God, not Supreme. Then you said why did He not save the dying children? Is He obligated to man? No, If He is, then He is not God. Man is. He would be obligated to man. And He is not. Man is obligated to Him.
The point of establishing God's kingdom is only for His children, the Elect, those who believe by faith.
---Mark_V. on 12/5/11

Ist Cliff, little time now, but you say Christ is not of this world...well, neither are we, for we are in the world but not of it. One thing comes to mind now, and that is that "greater is He that is within me than he that is in the world"
---chria9396 on 12/4/11

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Mark V, Do you not know that Jesus said "I am no part of this world"?
What's the point of establishing God's Kingdom (future) if everything is tickety-
I never "complained about God, just pointed out that He did nothing to aid the Jews (Hitler time), or being thrown to the lions (Roman arena) or feed the dieing children!
No this is not His world neither is he in control of it!
Ah but one day He will be!
---1st_cliff on 12/4/11

Hello Chris Smith. I really liked your post here.

I believe the first thing we need to understand is that the fallen man is who has all these issues. So when God created Adam and Eve, He did not create them with bi-polar disorders. And since you inherited the fallen nature, as well as I, we do and are subject to all sorts of issues that acompany a fallen race. So know that God did not create you separately after Adam/Eve to have a bi-polor disorder. It all just comes with the territory of a fallen sin nature we all inherited.

The awesome news is Having Christ in your life is far better for those with bi-polar than those without Christ...AND in Heaven no one will have any pi-polar disorders at all.

God Bless!
---kathr4453 on 12/4/11

hello,this for anyone (need) 'have been bi-polar lg time! lill' tidbit alot 'o pain whatever your hurt/dissapointmentGod is soveriegn He take care of it! He is in charge...Quit worry try'n piece it all together! Give your worry o'er to Him he listens real good & believe it! Cast all your cares upon Him for he careth for you..
---ELENA on 12/4/11

Cliff, I don't get you at all. First you complain about God and the children dying, then you turn around and say the devil is causing everything you see in life. So no matter what is answered, you have another opposite view. You think too much with you finite mind.
The reason we call God, God, is because He is God. Do you know the definition of God? If anyone or anything is supreme Ruler of the whole Universe, then God is not God. You said, God is not in control now, implying God stopped been God. His nature, character, and attributes never change. He is the same yesterday, to day and forever. If you want to continue calling Him God, then show respect to Him, if not, then don't call Him God.
---Mark_V. on 12/4/11

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1 Cliff, I do apologize for sounding so hard. And sorry I ran out on the subject of Christ. The reason I did is because in order to explain the deity of Christ, one passage is not good enough to answer. A person needs to make a study in Christology in order to read the awesomeness Omnipotence, Omniscience, Omnipresence, Holyness, Kindness, and much more of Jesus Christ that one passage is not enough. From the time He was first mention as the Seed in Gen. 3:15 to where we are now, there is much to much to learn and explain to anyone to proof anything. It would not be fair to Christ for me to just give one passage. I hope you understand what I'm saying.
---Mark_V. on 12/4/11

I do not think that there is a simple explanation for bi-polar disorder. I have this and would not like to think there is no hope. However, I understand where you are coming from. What is healing? Sometimes I have faith that I will be okay.
That I can live okay. Then there is often a reason why I have it. For instance, to understand all the other people who have it too. We are all different after all.
Does society just not accept people's differences? Why did God make people different? Who is to say it is that wrong to be like that? It is annoying to other people who do not undersand but shouldn't they have more understanding?
---chris_smith on 12/4/11

Hello,bro.Mark,this just had to say(my apologies) it's off abit..yes! I too,since the late 1970's was 'n comittee(still goin') Cuban & puertorrican women we sent food & clothes 'n funds to EL Salvador. I am familiar with the mission in Zaragoza also. This people stay 'n my heart for prayers healing.. Thankyou moderator.
---ELENA on 12/3/11

Mark/chira, If you bury your head in the sand I guarantee you you will not see a thing!
What you don't see is that satan is the ruler of the present world,disease,hunger, tsunamis,earthquakes, wild fires, insurrection,political infinitum ad nauseum!
Christ will indeed change all this, but right now God is not in control!
Consider the Holocaust
Consider that 10 of the 12 Apostles were murdered!
We await the Kingdom!
It's in the book!
---1st_cliff on 12/3/11

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Chria, after answering Cliff, I would like to share again something you said, Here it is:

" I believe all is according to His Will. Also, He DID make a way on the cross. Whos to know and understand fully when and why He does what He does, just need to trust that His ways are best, SO MUCH higher than ours."

You are completely correct. We as humans are finite creatures, God is infinite. We see things so much different from our point of view of what is good, what is love, what's ok, and what is not ok. God being infinite is concern with His whole creation, from the heavens to the earth and everything in it. None of us can phatom what He does or how He does it. He could have chosen not to create.
---Mark_V. on 12/3/11

MarkV, thank you. I agree, man does have a way of adding/taking away and the Word is indeed the only truth. By the Spirit we are led into all truth and taught. We may go the the left or right, but less so as we abide in Him and He makes straight our paths.and how He handles each individually truly is awesome. He alone knows all, all needs, whats needed when and how, so personal, He cannot be put in a box!
---Chria9396 on 12/3/11

Cliff, to your question, I'm positive I'm not God. I don't know the mind of God. Don't even know what' happening tomorrow. He knows all things, His infinite and all righteous, He never makes mistakes. He never lies, He never sins. He has all power, He is all holy, He is Sovereign, I am none of those,
Yet, I can tell you that I have faith in Him,
"His understanding is infinite" (Psa. 147:5). God not only knows whatsoever has happened in the past in every part of His vast domains, and He is not only throughly acquainted with everything that is now transpiring throughout the entire universe, but He is also perfectly cognizant of every event, from the least to the greatest, that ever will happen in the ages to come.
---Mark_V. on 12/2/11

Cliff Part 2: So you tell me to think about the children dying everyday. I have no control over them. I have no control over those who die of hunger. If I keep thinking about them, I might go crazy. What I do know about that is that as long as sin is in the world millions will die. God is allowing sin to continue. He will do away with sin, when He is good and ready. I don't know when that will be. But if I feel convicted to help some children I will help and I do many times. I support three children from El Salvador for over ten years. Maybe they are there so that we can help them. I really don't know. But I believe that God is righteous whether I like what's happening or not.
---Mark_V. on 12/2/11

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Mark V, **stop and think how He handles every individual needs**

Every day 30,000 children die from hunger related diseases!
How is He handling this situation???
---1st_cliff on 12/2/11

Sis Chria, you are doing great and I love what you said,

" I believe all is according to His Will. Also, He DID make a way on the cross. Whos to know and understand fully when and why He does what He does, just need to trust that His ways are best, SO MUCH higher than ours"

Human being have a way of adding or taking away from the Word. Some go all the way to the left, others, to the right. The Word of God is the only Truth. Yet it is so much higher then our words. If you stop to think how He handles every individual needs, and that for a lifetime, that alone is awesome
---Mark_V. on 12/1/11

Rocky: I BEG your forgiveness

My comments on another blog were NEVER intended to offend you, though I can understand why they did

I was ONLY trying to find a little common ground between you and Warwick - I respect BOTH of you

My GREAT apologies

---Peter on 11/30/11

You're right Trish, the same is true with Diabetics and other maladies, I just gave one example.
I lost a brother and sister-in-law at the hands of "alternative medicine" quacks, so I'm a little gun shy when it comes to treating health problems! agape!
---1st_cliff on 11/30/11

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1st Cliff: The fact about bipolar meds is that what works for one patient may not work for another. Doctors have to try different meds to see what is most effective. I have been stable for a long time on a combination of three meds, and have never been on lithium. A lot of doctors don't like prescribing lithium because it requires regular bloodwork, and some patients are not known for compliance with that testing.

As for bipolar patients feeling better and going off their meds, the same is true for schizophrenic patients.

What is worse is when certain Christians try to guilt the mentally ill into going off their meds, telling them they lack faith in the Lord.
---Trish on 11/29/11

ELENA: Some Bipolar patients feel better or think they're healed and go off the "lithium"
best proven meds for manic or depression! IMHO
---1st_cliff on 11/28/11

hello, yes, am bi-polar ... guessing bout the P.T.S.D. Is thatPost Trauma Stress Disorder? I got it. I can't pronounce anyway,had a rough childhood.. Lots of misery.. God step in thankfully! Anyway,just becuz being bi-polar the evil one still set "traps!" have to "stay" in the word,let it get into my mind,heart.. stay/ talk it out before the Lord- let the Lord heal my stress and let it go! Move on.. somethings you just got to avoid.
---ELENA on 11/28/11

Kathlene, I have a question for you, or anyone who has been diagnosed with Bi Polar. Have you also been diagnosed with PTSD? The reason I ask is because many who have been diagnosed with one are also diagnosed with the other.

That's interesting.

And it appears many have a history of some sort of extreme emotional, psychological and maybe even physical trauma in their lives.

Patty Duke comes to mind here. Also remember the story of Sybil ..(a very extreme case of trauma) who just coped by becoming another person.

I actually believe all three of these are linked in some way or another.

Our conscience mind is an amazing organ.
---kathr4453 on 11/27/11

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Part 2

As a christian, the Blood of Jesus has purged our conscience of dead works to serve the living God.

Our New life in Christ is in fact a life WE LEARN, and our minds are renewed. Not instantly, but through the Power of His Word, that is living and POWERFUL and sharper than a two edge sword, piercing between soul and spirit, bone and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the Heart, AKA Conscience.

We learn to bring "every thought" unto the obedience of Christ. Even our depressed thoughts, our euphoric thoughts, thoughts of fear etc.

God Bless.

Think of things Good and pure ect, and the PEACE OF GOD will keep your MIND and Heart!

That is a promise! Philippians 4
---kathr4453 on 11/27/11

Mark_V. on 11/21/11
Thank you Mark, I hope to be clear in what I say/write, and wish it to be to His glory. I do not speak of WOF, but do indeed have faith in the Word of God, all He is and is able to do, as well as His sovereignty. Ive seen many prayed for, many not healed, also a few healed, including physical healing which has stood the test of time. I believe all is according to His Will. Also, He DID make a way on the cross. Whos to know and understand fully when and why He does what He does, just need to trust that His ways are best, SO MUCH higher than ours.
---Chria9396 on 11/27/11

2 Timothy 1:7
For God hath not given us the spirit of fear, but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.

No one really knows exactly what causes these chemical inbalances. Many do know that prolonged stress can throw the chemistry in your body off, also bringing on disease etc.

We know soldiers who have PTSD go off too.

Ask those who have these disorders if they were born with them or if they manifested themselves later in life.

MPD also is not something one was born with.

Can God through the Holy Spirit re-balance these chemicals as we learn to walk in the spirit? Yes, I do believe He can and does.

If drugs can help, why can't God?
---kathr4453 on 11/26/11

Trish, you are welcome. I agree with what you say about Gods grace being sufficient and His strength in our weaknesses. It IS a comfort, and also shows His faithfulness and love toward us. Thank you for sharing about your mentor, it seems you have indeed been blessed. Again, all things are for His purpose, as well as His glory. As Paul said, he learned to be content in all things/circumstances. Phil 4:11. I believe he could only do that by trusting all to God, and for God. Interesting that he learned it.May God bless you!
---Chria9396 on 11/22/11

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Chria: Thank you for clarifying your thoughts about mental illness and God's involvement.

I have received great comfort from what Paul said in 2 Corinthians about God's grace being sufficient, and how God's greatness is seen in our weaknesses. (My paraphrase, not a direct quote of scripture.)

I was blessed to be mentored by a very Godly woman who battled cancer over and over, and she accepted her cancer because she saw the doctors, nurses, and other chemotherapy patients as her mission field. Her attitude about the disease that she eventually knew would lead her HOME, was so Godly, I know longer feel bad about any of my illnesses, including bipolar disorder.
---Trish on 11/21/11

Chria, those were great answers you gave from where I read them. Thanks for your impute.
---Mark_V. on 11/21/11

Trish, Rockey, I totally agree with what you wrote Trish. Still, I believe God can do what He chooses and heal. When I say I believe theres a spiritual aspect to all, I am saying in addition to the physiological, not negating that at all. Also, I am not speaking necessarily of demonic possession. The spiritual realm, although not tangible, is just as real, and all sickness/disease is a result of the fall and subsequent curse. Everything has a purpose, and its ultimately Gods purpose that truly matters, and that most definitely is spiritual.
---Chris9396 on 11/21/11

mj and chria,
Scientific research has proven that many mental illnesses, including bipolar disorder, are caused by physiological imbalances in the brain. The brain's chemistry is messed up, and requires medications to correct it.

Romans 12:1 is for people who do not have the brain chemistry problem.

I speak not only as someone with bipolar disorder, but also as a mental health professional.

Just as a diabetic should follow medical advice to ensure their blood sugar is corrected with medication, a person with bipolar disorder, major depression, or schizophrenia should see a psychiatrist for the proper medications to correct their mental illnesses. Mental illnesses are illnesses just like cancer and heart disease.
---Trish on 11/20/11

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Chria, we believe many of the same things. I also agree that God can heal mental disease. However, I disagree with your statement that "Everything also has a spiritual aspect IMO, and that can only be combated by the Word of God." As I mentioned before, I think sometimes, most likely a small percentage of the time, a mental disease can be a problem God provides to foster growth. Beyond that, I think that more often than not mental disease of physiological origin does not have a spiritual component, not being much different than any other physical handicap or physiological malfunction.
---Rocky on 11/19/11

Rockey, I agree these problems may be physiological. Everything also has a spiritual aspect IMO, and that can only be combated by the Word of God. God is able to heal any physiological problem. I am not advocating that one shouldnt seek medical help, but I am convinced that God can do more, when/if He chooses. Yes, medical treatment is very often beneficial. Renewing our minds is a work of God, changes our thinking. As for the healing of the physiological, that too is a work of God, and I know Hes done for me in a few months time what years of meds and therapy for depression did not/could not. When I read the post I quoted, all I really thought about was how awesome God is to do what Hes done for me, and also for all He is, and is able to do.
---Chria9396 on 11/17/11

I think healing from depressions or bipolar comes from renewing our mind.
--chria9396 11/16/11
Sometimes. Other times the problem may stem not from thoughts and beliefs but from physiological problems not cured by a renewing of the mind. The brain, like any other part of our physical bodies, can have physical problems that are not caused by the "mind" but malfunctioning physical processes, just like other parts of the body can have arthritis, asthma, or psoriasis or be diabetic or epileptic, or get Parkinson's disease. In such cases, medical treatment may be required, either short term or long term.
---Rocky on 11/17/11

"I think healing from depressions or bipolar comes from renewing our mind.Setting our minds on things above, all the good things and the character of God.Having hope for ourselves through the help of God and not relying on our effort to change us."
---mj on 11/16/11
---chria9396 on 11/16/11

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Understanding the verse that you quoted.For me ,this means that your fear will be cast away by God so you will be able to do the things which you are fearful to do or reluctant to do.
I think healing from depressions or bipolar comes from renewing our mind.Setting our minds on things above, all the good things and the character of God.Having hope for ourselves through the help of God and not relying on our effort to change us.
---mj on 11/16/11

Php 4:11 Not that I speak in respect of want: for I have learned, in whatsoever state I am, therewith to be content.
Php 4:12 I know both how to be abased, and I know how to abound: every where and in all things I am instructed both to be full and to be hungry, both to abound and to suffer need.
---aka on 11/14/11
---Chria9396 on 11/16/11

My point exactly Mr.Cluny!
---1st_cliff on 11/16/11

1stCliff, ALL of these things will be healed in the World to Come.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 11/16/11

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Can God do it? No question
Does He ?....NO

---1st_cliff on 11/15/11

Just because I'm a Catholic, DOES NOT mean that I follow everything that comes out of Vatican City.

I'd appreciate the Pope informing us about just WHY God says NO sometimes and not others.

Healing adult AIDS patients of a disease that they contracted while being sexually promiscuous.

Yet, children are left to suffer and die from: Leukemia, Muscular Dystrophy, etc.

The suffering, and expenses, from non-fatal medical conditions seems to be even WORSE than dying.

When God says NO, I see NO problem with modern medicine using:

Drugs, Surgery, Adult, and Embryonic, Stem Cell Therapies, etc.
---Sag on 11/16/11

Many churches today practice "psycho-somatic" healing. Which can be a good thing.
But "Divine" healing???
When amputees are healed
" Down syndrome is healed
" Cerebral palsy is healed
" Autism, Schizophrenia,
blind from birth
and (this is a biggie) Conjoined twins.
Can God do it? No question
Does He ?....NO
---1st_cliff on 11/15/11

A big fat AMEN to this, Rocky I'll cast my Amen in as well.
---Poppa_Bear on 11/15/11

\\As the saying goes, we ask for growth and God gives us problems. Perhaps those with the more difficult problems are the more advanced souls ready for them.\\

A big fat AMEN to this, Rocky!

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 11/15/11

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hi,again(prayerfully) let me say Familythis ELENA... when I really found out had cancer this time... one dr. told me(private) "don't panic!"... you strong,you already had it 'bout 10 yrs... he told me after some long discussion.. Truth! I really don't give it no more attention and thank God! Prayers work for me..Yes,I know & believe God can do anything.... unless God lead me and I know it's HIM and tell me... yes,keep takin' my meds. Long road... bipolar, it was hard to accept.. God good to me.
---ELENA on 11/15/11

i dont understand y almost everybody i talk to dont BELIEVE they can be healed
--tina 11/14/11
People can be healed through faith. People can sometimes heal themselves. In drug tests they consistently find that a relatively high percentage of those in the control group on placebos, often around 30%, have positive results similar to those receiving the drug. Unfortunately, sometimes those who think they were healed by faith were not. When those discontinue medical treatment, they can do themselves serious harm, sometimes irreversible. I think many here did not want to encourage the latter, especially since many charlatans advertise and promise healings from God to fleece the gullible.
---Rocky on 11/14/11

i dont understand y almost everybody i talk to dont BELIEVE they can be healed that theres no FAITH that that would actually happen for them its crazy !!!!!! GOD can do ANYTHING i am currently doing a program i so far dont take any meds for my thyroid any more because JESUS healed it praise him its awsome yea of little FAITH crazy Kati Souzas The Healing School is awsome i saw her on Sid Roths Its Supernatural i love his show its been difficult at times but makes so much sense to me
---tina on 11/14/11

my friend was healed from some mental disorder.
---Scott1 on 11/14/11

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chria, i agree. you said it better.

as far as the verse goes, it is taken way out of context. yes, God can heal, but that is not the meaning of Phil 4:13.

preceding verses...Php 4:11 Not that I speak in respect of want: for I have learned, in whatsoever state I am, therewith to be content.
Php 4:12 I know both how to be abased, and I know how to abound: every where and in all things I am instructed both to be full and to be hungry, both to abound and to suffer need.
---aka on 11/14/11

Hi, Kathlene (c: yes ! ! !

Jesus is the Lord of all, He's got it all. My character has self control in the Holy Spirit. But it takes time for God to correct me, deeply, so I am the way His love is pure and sweet and sensitive and gentle and kind and humble with power almighty to say no to emotions witch are dominating and tyrannical and with cruel feelings. Almighty power is needed. And I have had to grow in God's love so I am more and more mature in His power.

Have compassion, then, on others who also need to do better > "He can have compassion on those who are ignorant and going astray, since he himself is also subject to weakness." (Hebrews 5:2)
---Bill_willa6989 on 11/13/11

hello,Family...this ELENA..hmm.. I went through yrs. didn't KNOW !!! bi-polar & yes! God has done wow! Miracles for me...that's right Trish... I am in total agreement..actually,It has been a blessing instead of curse.. got gift of music,etc...laugh often...Praise God! :) I gave it o'er to Jesus ...take meds for over (smile) 35 yrs. Love of Jesus.
---ELENA on 11/13/11

thanks, chria...have a little extra time.
---aka on 11/13/11

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Philippians 4:13 is more about living a Christ centered life with contentment and effectiveness.
As the saying goes, we ask for growth and God gives us problems. Perhaps those with the more difficult problems are the more advanced souls ready for them.
I agree with the others that encourage continuing with a treatment plan. Nevertheless, it is within God's power to heal you completely, but that is a matter between you and Him.
---Rocky on 11/12/11

Actually, that is Phillipians 4:13, and it has to do with being able to live godly and contented in good circumstances and in poor circumstances.
---Rod4Him on 11/12/11

Glad to see you here aka. Yes, in part it means God can use Kathlene despite her disorder, I think it more specifically means that whatever God wills for us to do He will empower us to do. All is/ will be of Him, not of ourselves when in His will, as we can do nothing of ourselves.
---chria9396 on 11/12/11

Bipolar disorder is a chemical disorder in the brain, which is sometimes hereditary. It's similar to diabetes that way. And, just as with diabetes people need insulin to correct the blood sugar levels, people need medications to stableize their moods and behavior.

I have bipolar disorder, and am very stable on the right meds and in therapy. I don't pray for healing as much as to be a good testimony for people to see Jesus in me.

That Ephesians 4:13 means you can glorify the Lord in your behavior through the power of the Holy Spirit.

Stay on your medication and in therapy, and glorify the Lord with your bipolar disorder.
---Trish on 11/12/11

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Just realized. That verse is from Philippians 4:13, not Ephesians.
---Trish on 11/12/11

Bi-polar disorder, like clinical depression, is a CHEMICAL IMBALANCE--a PHYSICAL DISEASE that can be controlled with the right medicine.

I know of someone who was bi-polar--and despite this affliction, God used her greatly to be a blessing to others.

If you can get the right medicine, this IS God's healing for you.

Take your medicine both in a spirit of obedience (like God told Namaan the Syrian about taking seven baths in the Jordan), and in a spirit of thankfulness.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 11/12/11

many try to use that verse that way (and there usually is a $eed that need$ planted.)

but, in context, it means that God can use you despite your disorder.
---aka on 11/12/11

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