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What day of the week did Jesus arise from the grave?

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Francis //If you understood what you were reading, you would know that they met at SUNSET saturday night, which is the first day of the week, and paul preached until midnight saturday night, and left town early sunday morning.

In other words they did NOT met on the Sabbath as the Sabbath ended at sunset Saturday.

Barnes notes tells us to compare this with 1 Cor. 16:2

Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come.

Obviously the Gentile church gathered together on the first day of the week - the Lord's Day.
---lee1538 on 11/18/11


Yes, we now can all see that you really cannot defend the Adventist view that Christians need observe the Jewish Sabbath ---lee1538 on 11/18/11

In case you have not been paying attention. In this blog I didnot try to defend adventist beliefs. I let THE BIBLE, D L Moody, John calvin, The baptist church manual, The RCC, the church of christ, the lutheran church defend it for me. That is what my many post were about.

And you are yet to give one proof that christians are not to keep all ten commandments, while I gave all sorts of proof and sources
---francis on 11/18/11


Gordon //How do come up with "Circumcision is more important than the Sabbath"?

To the Jewish religious establishment it was more important than the Sabbath. In fact, the only way one could enter into the Jewish religion was through circumcision.

The early Jewish Christians believed that Christianity was merely an extension of Judaism, that all the laws of Moses were still applicable including circumcision.

However, the entrance into the Church was through being born spiritually in Christ - for Christ is the end of the law for righteousnes for those who believe (Romans 10:4) and it is those believers that have entered into that rest as depicted by the Sabbath. (Hebrews 4:3).

Thanks for your input.
---lee1538 on 11/18/11


//Isaiah 58:13 If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, [from] doing thy pleasure on my holy day, and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable, and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking [thine own] words:
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There were many "holy days" in Judaism, however, there is really no reason to believe that the Lord's day was the same as 'my holy day' spoken of in Isaiah. See Nehemiah 10:31

What we do have is a myriad of evidence from the early church writers that the Lord's day was the day of resurrection as that was the day the church gathered for communal worship.
---lee1538 on 11/18/11


Hi Gordon. What you wrote is included in what I wrote.
---John.usa on 11/18/11




Let me add this

The sabbath of the lord, is based on what God did at creation. What Jesus did on the cross cannot replace what was done at creation. The resurrection of Jesus cannot undo what was done at creation.

The sabbath is given so that we can REMEMEBR God our creator.

As christians we have two practioes which remind us of the death and resurection of Jesus: Baptism-where by we are buried with Him and Arise in newness of life and The Lord Supper which we do in memoryof his death till he returns. Those are biblical, this whole Sunday as the Lord's day is not of God.
---francis on 11/18/11


True, however we read that when Christians met on the first day of the week, they broke bread.

Acts 20:7 On the first day of the week, when we were gathered together to break bread, Paul talked with them, intending to depart on the next day, and he prolonged his speech until midnight.
---lee1538 on 11/17/11
If you understood what you were reading, you would know that they met at SUNSET saturday night, which is the first day of the week, and paul preached until midnight saturday night, and left town early sunday morning

SEE AMPLIFIED BIBLE, AMS, CEV,
---francis on 11/17/11


Maybe you will say my logic is 'a loose end' - maybe it is, but I feel that John had a reason for saying 'The Lord's Day' and not 'the first day of the week' as had been said before.
---Peter on 11/17/11
Well just do a BIBLE search for what is the lord's day.
Bible cannot be wrong can it, nor can it contradict itself can it?
SEE Isaiah 58:13 If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, [from] doing thy pleasure on my holy day, and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable, and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking [thine own] words:
---francis on 11/17/11


LEE, How do come up with "Circumcision is more important than the Sabbath"? Circumcision itself is not even important enough to be a part of the Ten Commandments! Circumcision is not a Moral Law, Lee! The fact that Circumcision was brought up in ACTS 15 was not with the intent to indicate that it was, somehow, more important than any of the Ten Commandments (including the Sabbath). Not at all! You see? From the get-go, you already have your thinking TWISTED regarding what is a Commandment and what isn't....So, the rest of your reasoning is going to be filtered by that same TWISTED understanding of Scripture. So, that explains why you get on here and try to lead a smear-campaign against GOD's valid Commandments. NOW, I see it in you.
---Gordon on 11/18/11


Francis //I do NOt post to correct your errors. I post so that those who come leter will know the truth. I am not responding to you. i am correcting your follies.

Yes, we now can all see that you really cannot defend the Adventist view that Christians need observe the Jewish Sabbath simply because it was not mandated to them, nor is there even a hint of a command anywhere in the New Testament.

As to follies, that is how Adventism started in the first place. Recall the time when their predecessors the Millerites dressed themselves in white sheet and got up onto the roofs of their houses awaiting the second coming? History really is not your favorite subject is it?

Anyway the subject is getting rather boring.
---lee1538 on 11/18/11




John.usa, OR, If you're a Bible Believer who understands more about the Sabbath and GOD's Holy Feast Days, than the average Sunday Saint will bother see a need to care, you believe that YAHUSHUA (a/k/a JESUS CHRIST) arose at the end of the Shabbat. And, ALSO KNOW that the Scriptures do not say that He "arose" on the first day of the week. The Bible says that In the morning, on the first day of the week, When He was "arisen", He appeared to Miryam (Mary)... "Arisen" is an Adjective", "Arose" is a past-tense Verb. A real difference, indeed.
---Gordon on 11/18/11


"... If the fourth command is binding upon us Gentiles by all means keep it. But let those who demand a strict observance of the Sabbath remember that the seventh day is the ONLY sabbath day commanded, and God never repealed that command. If you would keep the Sabbath, keep it, but Sunday is not the Sabbath. The argument of the 'Seventh-day Adventists' is on one point unassailable. It is the Seventh day not the first day that the command refers to." G. Alridge, Editor, The Bible Standard, April, 1916.

"There is no direct Scriptural authority for designating the first day the Lord's day."-DR. D. H. LUCAS, Christian Oracle, Jan. 23, 1890.
---francis on 11/18/11


So if physical circumcision which was far more important than observing the Sabbath, would it necessarily follow that since physical circumcision was done away with (Acts 15), the lesser law, the Sabbath was also done away with?
---lee1538 on 11/17/11

I do NOt post to correct your errors. I post so that those who come leter will know the truth. I am not responding to you. i am correcting your follies.

1 Corinthians 7:18 Is any man called being circumcised? let him not become uncircumcised. Is any called in uncircumcision? let him not be circumcised.


1 Corinthians 7:19 Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God. ( 10 commandments including the 4th)
---Francis on 11/17/11


Gordon //The early Church took it upon THEMSELVES to start observing Sunday as "the Lord's Day".

Thanks for realizing the early church no longer observed the OT sabbath by the end of the 1st century.

Since the Sabbath was no longer observed by the end of the 1st century, it is obvious that Sabbath keeping was not taught by the Apostles or their immediate successors.

We also see that in the Jerusalem council Acts 15, that laws that were strictly Jewish in nature (as it the Sabbath) were not imposed on the church. It is simply too easily to see that in early church history.
---lee1538 on 11/17/11


francis //There is no biblical command for lord's supper on any special day. Lord's supper can be any day even sunday.
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True, however we read that when Christians met on the first day of the week, they broke bread.


Acts 20:7 On the first day of the week, when we were gathered together to break bread, Paul talked with them, intending to depart on the next day, and he prolonged his speech until midnight.

See also Acts 2:42, 46

You may not know this, but the majority of the Jews in the synagogues did NOT believe that Jesus was the promised Messiah. Very few Jewish synagogues became Churches.

Like to change the subject since you are obviously in De Nile on the issue of the Jewish Sabbath?
---lee1538 on 11/17/11


If you are a normative Christian, Jesus rose from the dead early Sunday morning. If you are a Jehovah's Witness or an Armstrongite, Jesus rose midafternoon on Shabbat.
---John.usa on 11/17/11


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Francis: 'SCRIPTURE does not support that'

Well, it does not in the way it was written. However, there are other things in the Bible that do support that.

For example, in Rev 1:10, John uses the term (in English) 'the Lord's day' - that is the Greek word for Sunday, so by that time John the apostle was connecting those two days.

Maybe you will say my logic is 'a loose end' - maybe it is, but I feel that John had a reason for saying 'The Lord's Day' and not 'the first day of the week' as had been said before.
---Peter on 11/17/11


-Gordon on 11/17/11: 'To believe it was 42 Hours is to believe religious MEN. To believe 72 HOURS is to believe the Written Word of GOD'

BUT to believe 72 that is to DISBELIEVE Mat 28:1, which states VERY CLEARLY:

After the Sabbath, at dawn on the first day of the week, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary went to look at the tomb.

THAT IS SUNDAY

What shall we believe, then????

I cannot provide an answer for that question

Could you enlighten me on it
---Peter on 11/17/11


So if physical circumcision which was far more important than observing the Sabbath, would it necessarily follow that since physical circumcision was done away with (Acts 15), the lesser law, the Sabbath was also done away with?

If you do not have an answer, go ask your pastor, he may conclude that the Sabbath was not mandated to the Church.

Await an answer!! lee1538

First Read all of Matthew 7:19- 23. Here JESUS is pointing out that a lesser law circumcision is taking president over a greater law the Sabbath by men who are planning to kill him on the Sabbath day. So none of your premise is correct. The Ten Commandments were spoken by GOD directly.
---Samuel on 11/17/11


The fact that the early Gentile church met for communal worship on Sundays - the Lord's day, eventually became viewed as the Christian Sabbath.

In any case, it is just too easy to see that the church no longer observed the Saturday Sabbath by the end of the first century. And that is something nearly all church historians agree upon.
---lee1538 on 11/17/11
SCRIPTURE does not support that. There is no biblical command for lord's supper on any special day. Lord's supper can be any day even sunday.
---francis on 11/17/11


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So long as you believe the Sabbath is just a day of the weak, it is!
Did I say weak, I meant week. Sorry.

And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.
Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:
Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time, as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.
For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.

Rev 20:5 This is the first resurrection.
---TheSeg on 11/17/11


markv, Thank you, if you follow my preaching you will see that I never compromise, for I am not of the world and it is not in me to compromise the truth. By this all will know whether one is from Christ, or whether one is from the world, by the fruits that each one bears, truth or falsehood. If it sounds like sin, walks like sin, and talks like sin, then it must be a sinner: and if it sounds like right, walks like right, and talks like right, then it must be the righteous.
---Eloy on 11/17/11


Lee those points are good. Some also feel that within the chain of Church fathers close to St. John particularly those from Smyrna and Ephesus whose writings we still possess, that the fact that only the gathering on Sunday, or the Lords day is the only special days noted, leaves many with the deductive conclusion that 1-there is an early recognition of Sunday being a time of worship. 2-The Sat/Sabbath is absent. 3-Apastolic authority ushered in our understanding of how to proceed with the new covenant.
This being said, I do respect those who keep a Sat Sabbath even though I do not see it prescribed in the NT Church, their conscience is precious in the sight of God and I leave it between them and Him.
---Poppa_Bear on 11/17/11


Lee1538, How does religious man's decisions change GOD's Commandment to observe HIS Holy Sabbath Day? The early Church took it upon THEMSELVES to start observing Sunday as "the Lord's Day". It was not a direct Commandment of GOD. If it was, Where is that Command in the Scriptures, or by some true Prophecy of GOD, that indicates that GOD Himself ordained that change?! Show me, I'll be waiting. I'll be waiting for you to show us of GOD's own Mandate of the Day-Switcheroo. I don't want a repeat of how religious MEN changed it. For, you already told us of that. Nevertheless, you'll believe men over GOD's Word and over those who study the High Holy Feasts of GOD and how they work into GOD's Plans? Anyway, I'll be awaiting. :-)
---Gordon on 11/17/11


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LEE, YAHUSHUA said that He would be in the heart of the Earth for THREE DAYS and for THREE NIGHTS. You can only deduct that He meant EXACTLY what He said. There is no hidden-between-the-lines cryptic-encoded-meaning behind the statement of "Three Days and Three Nights". Three Days and Three Nights is the Lord's time-period given that can very well be taken at face-value. This time period equals 72 hours. Friday afternoon to Sunday morning only equals about 42 HOURS. To believe it was 42 Hours is to believe religious MEN. To believe 72 HOURS is to believe the Written Word of GOD.
---Gordon on 11/17/11


Francis - Moses gave you circumcision (not that it is from Moses, but from the fathers), and you circumcise a man on the Sabbath. If on the Sabbath a man receives circumcision, so that the law of Moses may not be broken, are you angry with me because on the Sabbath I made a mans whole body well? John 7:22-23

So if physical circumcision which was far more important than observing the Sabbath, would it necessarily follow that since physical circumcision was done away with (Acts 15), the lesser law, the Sabbath was also done away with?

If you do not have an answer, go ask your pastor, he may conclude that the Sabbath was not mandated to the Church.

Await an answer!!
---lee1538 on 11/17/11


JESUS arose from the grave on Sunday Morning.

Much of the Church leadership in the Second Century was antijewish. The First century still showed many people keeping Sabbath on Saturday as well as many having services on both days. There is also evidence that for centuries Sabbath Keeping churches existed until it was made a crime to keep Sabbath on Saturday.
---Samuel on 11/17/11


Yes, D.L.Moody, Martin Luther as well as others, believed that the Jewish Sabbath was transferred to Sunday, that this was done by the Apostles & their successors, however, that view is as incorrect as there is nothing in Scripture that supports the keeping of any day. Romans 14

The fact that the early Gentile church met for communal worship on Sundays - the Lord's day, eventually became viewed as the Christian Sabbath.

In any case, it is just too easy to see that the church no longer observed the Saturday Sabbath by the end of the first century. And that is something nearly all church historians agree upon.
---lee1538 on 11/17/11


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LEEJ CLUNY did SDA write these?

"This Fourth is not a commandment for one place, or one time, but for all places and times." D.L. Moody, at San Francisco, Jan. 1st, 1881.

I wonder exceedingly how it came to be imputed to me that I should reject the law of Ten Cmmandments ..Whosoever abrogates the law must of necessity abrogate sin also."-MARTIN LUTHER, Spiritual Antichrist," pages 71, 72.

"The Sabbath instituted in the beginning, and confirmed again and again by Moses and the prophets, has never been abrogated. A part of the moral law, not a jot or a tittle of its sanctity has been taken away." New York Herald 1874, on the Methodist Episcopal Bishops Pastoral 1874
---francis on 11/17/11


Eloy, great answer you gave. You didn't have to compromise anything with that answer. It was great.
---Mark_V. on 11/17/11


Adventism claims either Roman Emperor Constantine (~341 AD) or the Council of Laodicea (364 AD) changed the Sabbath to Sunday.

However, this view is at odds with its own church historians.

Samuele Bacchiocchi, Andrews Univ. Church historian-

"I differ from Ellen White, for example, on the origin of Sunday. She teaches in the first centuries all Christians observed the Sabbath and it was largely through the efforts of Constantine that Sundaykeeping was adopted by many Christians in the 4th century. My research shows otherwise. If you read my essay HOW DID SUNDAYKEEPING BEGIN? which summarizes my dissertation, you will notice I place the origin of Sundaykeeping by the time of the Emperor Hadrian, in A. D. 135."
---lee1538 on 11/17/11


If Rome changed the Sabbath to Sunday, it would only explain why Protestants and Roman Catholics worship on Sunday. It would not explain why Orthodox Christians worship on Sunday, and it certainly would not explain why Syriac, the Armenian, and Coptic Christians worship on Sunday, because they had very little contact with Rome until modern times. For example, the Armenian Apostolic Church does not celebrate Christmas, which originated in Rome in the fourth century. Instead, they celebrate the nativity of Jesus Christ on Epiphany. Rome could only have changed the day of worship before the fall of the Roman Empire, because after then communications werent good enough. However, during that period, Rome did not have much influence in the east.
---lee1538 on 11/17/11


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And you are very careful not to quote anything they would print that would undermine the lies you spread. For instance WHEN the Roman Church changed the Sabbath. ---lee1538 on 11/16/11

Actually i did post the date that the RCC gave for which the change was made. You just failed to read it.

The reason why you and Cluny are having difficulty with my posts is that what i am posting are sources and proof to support my claim. You do not recogize them because posting sources and proof for your statements are a foriegn concetp to you. You are unable to recognize it, because you are unfamiliar with it.

So you are still accusing me and the SDA church for that D L moody, John Calvin, and the RCC says.
---Francis on 11/17/11


Jesus' Passover Communion was Thursday night, and on that night Judas the betrayer betrayed Innocent Jesus with a kiss, and Jesus said to the sinful violaters, "When I was with you in the temple you all stretched forward no hands against me: but this is your hour, and the power of darkness." Lk.22:53. So let us count from this hour, and start from the power of darkness: Thursday night and Friday morning is 1, and Friday night and Saturday morning is 2, and Saturday night and Sunday morning is 3.
---Eloy on 11/16/11


//Also search the bible to see which kingdom wold seek to change times and laws.

To blame the Roman Church for an endtimes scenario because of their faulty theology does not mean your interpretation of scripture is correct. In fact you may not recall that it was BAD BAD BAD interpretation of scripture that originally led to the Adventist movement back in 1844 when as Millerites predicted Jesus would come again in October 1844.

So why should we accept SDA interpretation of Scripture today especially in light of the fact that so very many Bible expositors have more logical and supportable interpretations?

Sorry SDA people but you were not given any mandate from God to bear the truth, anymore so than any other denomination.
---lee1538 on 11/16/11


//All i printed was what the RCC says. how is SDA responsible for what the RCC says
---Francis on 11/16/11
And you are very careful not to quote anything they would print that would undermine the lies you spread. For instance WHEN the Roman Church changed the Sabbath. It is no wonder you never look to ancient history to support any of your lies.
---lee1538 on 11/16/11


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I AM saying that the SDA church is responsible for spreading false claims made by the Roman Catholic Church in order to support the SDA's own false view of Church history.
---Cluny on 11/16/11

I believe your backs are against the wall on this issue, even SDA church historians admit the majority of the church no longer observed the Sabbath by the end of the 1st century.
---lee1538 on 11/16/11

LOL LOL you guys are in DEEP DE NILE.
DE NILE has crocodile that grin and seem to smile.

All i printed was what the RCC says. how is SDA responsible for what the RCC says
---Francis on 11/16/11


\\I hope that you are not suggesting that the SDA church is responsible for what the RCC says and prints.\\

I AM saying that the SDA church is responsible for spreading false claims made by the Roman Catholic Church in order to support the SDA's own false view of Church history.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 11/16/11


//Since the RCC claims to have made the change, would it not be best to search the RCC writing to see when?

They point to a myriad of writers of the first 2 centuries as to when the Sabbath was no longer observed.

//You have dedicated your life to search SDA writings do some RCC searching

I already have corresponded over 3 years with Roman Catholic priests & apologists: I know more of their beliefs and history than most.

I believe your backs are against the wall on this issue, even SDA church historians admit the majority of the church no longer observed the Sabbath by the end of the 1st century.

The teachings of the SDA are not always correct, nor has it been given infallibility in its teachings.
---lee1538 on 11/16/11


Gordon //
First Question should be, On which day was the Lord crucified?

The majority of scripture state Jesus was "raised on the 3rd day" which if He was crucified on Friday that would point to Sunday as the day of resurrection.

While there are some scripture that may indicate Jesus spend an entire 72 hours in the grave, interpretation can be made that He was raised on the 3rd day.

In any case, what did the early church believe? All the writings point to Sunday as being the day of resurrection. Is there any reason to discount those who were closest to the scene and the closest to the Apostles and their immediate successors?
---lee1538 on 11/16/11


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First Question should be, On which day was the Lord crucified? He said that, as Jonah was iin the belly of the great fish for three days and three nights, so TOO, would the Son of GOD be in the heart of the Earth for Three Days and Three Nights. Three Days and Three Nights are 72 hours. Traditional belief is that YAHUSHUA was crucified and died on Friday and arose again on Sunday morning. But, that's not 72 hours. He was crucified and died before sunset Wednesday evening and He arose before Sundown Saturday evening. One must understand about the true Sabbath and GOD's Holy Feast Days to see this Truth.
---Gordon on 11/16/11


Francis - I still insist that you ask WHEN did the Roman Church change the Sabbath? >---lee1538 on 11/16/11

Since the RCC claims to have made the change, would it not be best to search the RCC writing to see when?
Also search the bible to see which kingdom wold seek to change times and laws.

You have dedicated your life to search SDA writings do some RCC searching
---francis on 11/16/11


Francis - I still insist that you ask WHEN did the Roman Church change the Sabbath?

This is a question those that are intelligent and seek the truth would ask.

The fact is the Roman Church did NOT change the Sabbath as the Apostles & their successors, all of whom were NOT Roman Catholic did NOT teach Sabbath observance but merely met on the first day of the week for worship.

In our thinking today, we cannot see any command for the church to observe any day as holy in the Scripture, if you can find one, by all means post it.

As Cluny stated, the Roman Church gives itself credit where credit is not due.

All too often the SDA takes advantage of religious prejudice in their recruitment.
---lee1538 on 11/16/11


The Catholic church? Really? I dont think so.

"diverse from all other kingdoms"

"will devour the whole earth and break it down into pieces"

"they will mingle themselves with the seed of men"

the leader will "speak great words against the most High" and have an image erected to himself

"and power was given him over ALL kindreds, and tongues, and nations."

Satan has set up his lie and its the belief in extraterrestrial life. When they come and set up a leader to guide us into a "new age of understanding", unbelievers will swallow it, hook, line and sinker.
---JackB on 11/16/11


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---Cluny on 11/16/11

Whether it makes is so or not is not the question Cluny.
the question is: \Why are you, and how can you blame the SDA church for what the RCC says and prints:\\

I hope that you are not suggesting that the SDA church is responsible for what the RCC says and prints.
---francis on 11/16/11


THE BIBLE PROPHECY CONCERNING THE FOURTH BEAST / KINGDON. The one after greece which can only be Rome
Daniel 7:23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, Daniel 7:25 And he shall think to change times and laws:

Why are so many so suprised that the attempted change from 7th day to 1st day? why are you suprised when Rome even admits it?

"The retention of the old pagan name of Dies Solis, for Sunday is, in a great measure, owing to the union of pagan and Christian sentiment with which the first day of the week was recommended by Constantine to his subjects- pagan and Christian alike- as the 'venerable' day of the sun."" Arthur P. Stanley, History of the Eastern Church, p. 184
---francis on 11/15/11


\\Why are you, and how can you blame the SDA church for what the RCC says and prints:\\

Just because the Roman Catholic Church says it did something doesn't make it so, francis.

Just like what you say happened doesn't make it so, either.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 11/16/11


People wrongly give credit to where no cresit is due. The word "day" comes from the hebrew "ywm" in Genesis 1:5, and was created in 10190 B.C. long before any man or any false religions came into being, therefore catholicism had zero to do with the numbering of the days of the week. As for giving names to the number of the day of the week, that can be traced back to Germanic and Norse sources, Sunday was named for the sun, Monday for the moon, and so on, again no catholic religion had anything to do with the names of the days of the week.
---Eloy on 11/15/11


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"What day of the week did Jesus arise from the grave?"
Early on the first day. Mark 16:9. Which would have been somewhere between sunset Saturday and sunrise Sunday. Mar 16:2
---josef on 11/15/11


SO, your silly ranking about the evil Catholic church changing the most important commandment of the Bible is simply propaganda of the Seventh Day Adventist church and they will use all the lies they can find to recruit people into their denomination.
---lee1538 on 11/15/11

Why are you, and how can you blame the SDA church for what the RCC says and prints:


"The Catholic Church designated Sunday as the day for corporate worship and gets full credit or blame for the change. This Rock, The Magazine of Catholic Apologetics and Evangelization, p.8, June 1997
---francis on 11/15/11


Daniel 7:23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth,.. And he shall think to change times and laws:

"The Church, on the other hand, after changing the day of rest from the Jewish Sabbath, or seventh day of the week, to the first, made the Third Commandment refer to Sunday as the day to be kept holy as the Lord's Day. The Council of Trent (Sess. VI, can. xix) condemns those who deny that the Ten Commandments are binding on Christians." The Catholic Encyclopedia, Commandments of God, Volume IV, 1908 by Robert Appleton Company, Online Edition 1999 by Kevin Knight, Nihil Obstat - Remy Lafort, Censor Imprimatur - +John M. Farley, Archbishop of New York, page 153.
---francis on 11/15/11


Act_7:26 And the next day he shewed himself unto them as they strove, and would have set them at one again, saying, Sirs, ye are brethren, why do ye wrong one to another?

Rom_14:5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.

Heb_3:13 But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day, lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin.

Heb_4:8 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another-day.

Heb_10:25 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is, but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.
---TheSeg on 11/15/11


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Too much value placed in the opinions of men.
---JackB on 11/15/11


Francis, if you would just take the time and ASK WHEN the Roman Catholic Church claims to have changed the Sabbath to Sunday, you would find that they would tell you that they did that back in the first century and they will quote many of the early writers of the church to support their view. However, everyone should know that the Roman Church claims all churches were under the Roman Catholic Bishop from when the Apostles Peter became the first pope.

SO, your silly ranking about the evil Catholic church changing the most important commandment of the Bible is simply propaganda of the Seventh Day Adventist church and they will use all the lies they can find to recruit people into their denomination.
---lee1538 on 11/15/11


"The observance of the Lord's Day (Sunday) is founded not on any command of God, but on the authority of the Church." Augsburg Confession of Faith.

"They [the Catholics] allege the Sabbath changed into Sunday, the Lord's day, contrary to the Decalogue, as it appears, neither is there any example more boasted of than the changing of the Sabbath day. Great, say they, is the power and authority of the church, since it dispensed with one of the Ten Commandments." -Augsburg Confession of Faith, Art. 28, par.
---francis on 11/15/11


Lee1538,

The Jews in Palestine had trouble determining when the new lunar month started as it required two independent observations of the new moon reported the Sanhedrin and the Sanhedrin had to dispatch messengers to every Jewish town in Palestine that the new month had begun and that could take more than a day, if there was a cloudy night you might not see new moon that night.

But the Jews all over Palestine were very proficient about being able to count to seven, they always knew for sure when the Sabbath began. Even in years when the Sanhedrin added an extra month to the calendar when the season got out of sync with the calendar. Sabbath computation was totally independent of month year determination.
---Blogger9211 on 11/15/11


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\\Sunday is an institution of the Roman Catholic Church, and those who observe the day observe a commandment of the Catholic Church.\\

"Priest Brady's" saying so does not make it so.

The HISTORICAL FACT is that there are still continuing communities of Christians founded by the Apostles that have had NOTHING to do with the Roman Catholic Church and yet observe SUNDAY as the primary day of worship.

How does this tidbit fit in with your paradigm, francis?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 11/15/11


Francis // Sunday is an institution of the Roman Catholic Church, ...Priest Brady, in an address, reported in the Elizabeth, NJ News on March 18, 1903.
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The Roman Church claims their church started with the Apostle Peter, the first pope who then passed the keys downward to the Bishops of Rome.

Since the Sabbath was no longer observed by the early church by the end of the 1st century, they claim they changed the Sabbath.

And they quote a myriad of early church fathers who wrote on this subject.

The fact is, the Apostles and their immediate successors did not impose observance of the Sabbath onto the Gentile church, however, they agreed to meet for communal worship on the 1st day of the week - the Lord's day.
---lee1538 on 11/15/11


"A further argument for the perpetuity of the Sabbath we have in Matthew 24:20, Pray ye that your flight be not in the winter neither on the Sabbath day. But the final destruction of Jerusalem was after the Christian dispensation was fully set up (AD 70). Yet it is plainly implied in these words of the Lord that even then Christians were bound to strict observation of the Sabbath." Works of Jonathon Edwards, (Presby.) Vol. 4, p. 621.
"We must not imagine that the coming of Christ has freed us from the authority of the law, for it is the eternal rule of a devout and holy life, and must therefore be as unchangeable as the justice of God, which it embraced, is constant and uniform." JOHN CALVIN, "
---francis on 11/15/11


It is well to remind the Presbyterians, Baptists, Methodists, and all other Christians, that the Bible does not support them anywhere in their observance of Sunday. Sunday is an institution of the Roman Catholic Church, and those who observe the day observe a commandment of the Catholic Church. Priest Brady, in an address, reported in the Elizabeth, NJ News on March 18, 1903.
---francis on 11/15/11


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---JackB on 11/15/11
1: Sabbath is from sunset to sunset. Even if the sun stood still of 48 hours, those dayliht hours would comprise the same day.

remember the day that God moved time BACKWARDS?
2 Kings 20:9 And Isaiah said, This sign shalt thou have of the LORD, that the LORD will do the thing that he hath spoken: shall the shadow go forward ten degrees, or go back ten degrees?

2 Kings 20:10 And Hezekiah answered, It is a light thing for the shadow to go down ten degrees: nay, but let the shadow return backward ten degrees.

2 Kings 20:11 And Isaiah the prophet cried unto the LORD: and he brought the shadow ten degrees backward, by which it had gone down in the dial of Ahaz.
---francis on 11/15/11


Sunday morning the tomb was empty.
---Eloy on 11/15/11


"The Sabbath was binding in Eden, and it has been in force ever since. This fourth commandment begins with the word 'remember,' showing that the Sabbath already existed when God wrote the law on the tables of stone at Sinai. How can men claim that this one commandment has been done away with when they will admit that the other nine are still binding?"- D.L. MOODY, "Weighed and Wanting," page 47.

"This Fourth is not a commandment for one place, or one time, but for all places and times." D.L. Moody, at San Francisco, Jan. 1st, 1881.
---FRANCIS on 11/15/11


JackB //how do you know the Sabbath is even on what we now know as Saturday?
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Even if we knew for sure Saturday, WHERE is the command for Christians to observe it?

CERTAINLY, if such a command was mandated to the church we would read of its observance in the Epistles as well as in the ancient records of the church, but we do not.

Believing the Sabbath is God's unchangeable law is without merit since He deals with His creation in terms of covenants, and there is nothing in the New Covenant commanding Sabbath observance or for that matter the observance of any day.

CLEARLY, the Sabbath was given ONLY to the nation of Israel as the sign of the covenant God made with them at Mt. Sinai. Exodus 31:17.
---lee1538 on 11/15/11


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Have you guys read Romans fourteen?

As for me, there is no question the Sabbath is Friday night to Saturday night.
Unless you are saying all the Jewish people are just, well not too smart.

As to the law of the Sabbath, all I can say is. There will always be people who will not follow it.
But not because its Saturday, but because they just dont know how to keep it.
If ye then be not able to do that thing which is least, why take ye thought for the rest?
I know this is why Christ kept it. How is it that ye do not understand?
But, why worry about it. God loves you.

I keep neither Saturday nor Sunday.
God love you!
---TheSeg on 11/15/11


Francis, how do you know the Sabbath is even on what we now know as Saturday?

Remember the day the sun stood still for an entire day? Joshua 10:13
---JackB on 11/15/11


"The Scriptures nowhere call the first day of the week the Sabbath. . .There is no Scriptural authority for so doing, nor of course, any Scriptural obligation." The Watchman.

"We believe that the law of God is the eternal and unchangeable rule of His moral government."-"Baptist Church Manual," Art. 12.

"There was never any formal or authoritative change from the Jewish seventh-day Sabbath to the Christian first-day observance." -WILLIAM OWEN CARVER, "The Lord's Day in Our Day," page 49.

"There is nothing in Scripture that requires us to keep Sunday rather than Saturday as a holy day." Harold Lindsell (editor), Christianity Today, Nov. 5, 1976
---francis on 11/15/11


\\There was and is a command to keep holy the Sabbath day, but that Sabbath day was NOT SUNDAY. \\\

Since the coming of Christ, francis, is there a day according to the Bible that we can keep in an UNHOLY and sinful manner, and live according to our own devices?

Please give BCV.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 11/15/11


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Francis //If The first day was a christian sabbath WHERE IS THE COMMMAND
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Frankly There Is NO Command for Christians to Observe Any Day in the Bible.

The belief that the Sabbath was transferred to Sunday is unscriptural and is just as bad as believing we must observe the OT Sabbath.

I know your church makes a big deal out of the Ten Comandments, that ministry of death & condemnation (2 cor. 3:7,9), however, as Christians we are to walk in the ministry of the Spirit, not "of the letter but of the Spirit. For the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life". 2 Cor.3:6

You really gain NOTHING more by observing the OT Sabbath than you do by worshipping on Sundays.
---lee1538 on 11/15/11


There was and is a command to keep holy the Sabbath day, but that Sabbath day was NOT SUNDAY. It will however be readily said, and with some show of triumph, that the Sabbath was transferred from the seventh to the first day of the week, with all its duties, privileges and sanctions. Earnestly desiring information on this subject, which I have studied for many years, I ask, where can the record of such a transaction be found: NOT IN THE NEW TESTAMENT absolutely not. There is no scriptural evidence of the change of the Sabbath institution from the seventh to the first day of the week. Dr. E. T. Hiscox, author of the Baptist Manual.
---francis on 11/14/11


Mark 16:9 Now when he rose early on the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, from whom he had cast out seven demons.

And that is one good reason the church observes the Christian sabbath - a day when we gather together to worship God and for fellowship.
---lee1538 on 11/13/11

YADy YADY yaDA
More foolishness from you.

1: thereis no such thing as " jewish" or " christians" sabbath. THE WORD OF GOD ( what am i saying, you don't go by the word of God) Says it is THE SABBATH OF THE LORD THY GOD.

2: The sabbath of the LORD MY GOD is based on his work AT CREATION not on resurrection

3: If The first day was a christian sabbath WHERE IS THE COMMMAND
---francis on 11/14/11


//You guys seem more concerned about the Sabbath.
Then his day of rest!
All of Hebrews four.

What the Sabbaterians try to do is to reject the plain truth that Sunday is the Lord's day as it was on Sunday that John the Revelator was given his visions. However, there is an abundant of evidence that the Jewish Sabbath was no longer observed outside of the Jewish Christian community by the end of the first century.
---lee1538 on 11/14/11


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Luk 23:54 And that day was the preparation, and the sabbath drew on.
And the women also, which came with him from Galilee, followed after, and beheld the sepulchre, and how his body was laid. And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments,
and rested the sabbath day [according to the commandment.]

This would be from Friday night to Saturday night.
It is now Saturday night!
Do they go to the sepulcher Saturday night? No

Luk 24:1 Now upon the first day of the week, very early in the morning, they came unto the sepulchre, bringing the spices which they had prepared, and certain others with them.

You guys seem more concerned about the Sabbath.
Then his day of rest!
All of Hebrews four
Peace
---TheSeg on 11/14/11


From a technical somatic stand point all scripture is stating when the resurrection is discovered, not when the event occurred. As some contend Christ had to spend not less than 72 hours in the grave and assume a Wednesday afternoon Crucifixion and burial prior to sundown that day. This would mean a resurrection on the Jewish Sabbath which elastically would be logical. Wednesday Night sundown starts Passover a Special Sabbath. Thursday a secular period when the Markets are open. The only day women can buy spices to anoint the body. Regular Sabbath Friday at sundown and resurrection end of Sabbath Saturday at sundown. This is the only way the three days of Jonah can be fulfilled which Christ stated would have to occur.
---Blogger9211 on 11/14/11


Believing that Jesus Christ died (making the perfect atonement) for the sins of His people and then resurrecting from the dead is much more important than asking which day of the week did this happen.

In the epistles, none of the apostles made what day of the week Christ rose from the grave an issue to the teachings of salvation by faith.
---christan on 11/14/11


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