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Exactly what is the 'gates of hell' in Matthew 16:18?

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The gates of hell are eternal death or the second death from which there is no return. When you enter thru those gates you are gone forever.

Simon gives the correct answer to Jesus' question in Matt 16:15 and notice that in verse 17 Jesus tells him that he learned this truth not from a man of flesh and blood but it was God in Heaven who revealed it to him. To me Jesus is saying that the gates of hell (2nd death) will NOT prevail against the truth. In other words the truth is available for those who seek it.
---barb on 12/13/11


"oh my Peter!!! so essentially what you are saying is Dante and his wild hateful sadistic imagination about hell is correct because you USE one Scripture and ADD the idea these people are alive and are suffering and being tortured???"
Hey anyone tell me how many times does God have to say something for it to be true?
Satan will be cast into Hell and released 1000 years later and will still be alive. Tell me Rhonda, why do you think think this is not so?
---Elder on 12/10/11


Peter, you did good with your answer. Rhonda said you added the ideas you put down for Rev. 20:15 but they are explained in Rev. 19:20 concerning those going there to the Lake of fire, a place of eternal punishment for all unrependant rebels angelic and human ( 20:10,15: Matt. 13:40-42: Mark 9:43: Luke 3:17: 12:47,48). Rhonda doesn't believe in eternal hell so how can she believe in the passages? Good work Peter.
---Mark_V. on 12/10/11


Poppa and Mark, there's a lot of labeling and name-calling around here, and you guys have avoided that. That's really nice. I guess I've said what I wanted to say here. God bless.
---John.usa on 12/8/11


Rhonda: Try Revelation 20:15 'and if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown in the lake of fire'.
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oh my Peter!!!

so essentially what you are saying is Dante and his wild hateful sadistic imagination about hell is correct because you USE one Scripture and ADD the idea these people are alive and are suffering and being tortured???

alive suffering tortured are not FOUND in Rev 20:15 you MUST ADD those ideas because these ideas are simply NOT there ...rejecting dismissing all of GODS Holy Word on death and the very CLEAR meanings and IMPLY Rev 20:15 say something it doesn't and CONTRADICTS Gods Word stating the dead shall not live???
---Rhonda on 12/8/11




John, like Poppa Bear, I also want to thank you for been respectful with your answers. I have not seen one that condemns anyone. I hope my answers do not sound cruel to you. Just trying to understand why you believe as you do. Peace
---Mark_V. on 12/8/11


John, thanks for being respectful in your replies. Says alot. I def don't have the truth market cornered, if I ever see this the way you do I'll let you know, if you change your view, let me know as well.
In his grip
---Poppa_Bear on 12/8/11


Johnuse, I still don't see how you can believe everyone will be saved. You say there is a hell, why have a hell if everyone will be saved? Why would God sacrifice His Son if all will eventually be saved? And if all will be saved, that means even the devil and his demons.
And why write the Bible at all, since it means nothing to anyone if we are all going to be saved in the end? What do we need the Holy Spirit for? He would be useless. Why not all of us live a life as we please with no authority since we will all be saved? Why would God created this perticular plan, and not one where everyone stays sinless? It is just nonesense John.
---Mark_V. on 12/8/11


Poppa, I appreciate your remarks. I do believe that salvation is through Jesus, and that holds for everyone. Some are saved now, some later. But I do clearly see salvation for all in the New Testament. There are too many passages that make no sense if that is not the case. All of us will answer to God for our behavior. No one is exempt. But since it clearly states that God wills everyone to be saved, He will bring everyone through that process and become All in all, as Paul promises in 1.Cor.15.28. :)
---John.usa on 12/7/11


MarkV, I have no doubt at all that hell is real. It just isn't permanent. If it were, the punishment there would be entirely gratuitous. And God does nothing gratuitously. :)
---John.usa on 12/7/11




hell is a literal place, God doesnt send you there, you send yourself there by your choice to deny God and Jesus Christ His Son..that is your punishment...to be eternally separated from the love of God or anything else that God represents will be absent there...you will be alone, and your senses will be heightened there...your body will die there, but your soul will live on in eternity forever and ever...what you believe is irrelevant to the facts...already spoken of in the Bible.
---john_mincey on 12/7/11


-I have no doubt that you are saved.- I would imagine that you dont doubt it if you believe everyone is saved. Never the less what I am saying is that what you seem to believe is not the Salvation proclaimed in the Bible, as far as whether or not your saved, God knows and that is more than good enough for me. I believe if you seek the truth you will find it, as long as there is breath there is hope.
You be blessed Brother John
---Poppa_Bear on 12/7/11


Rhonda: Try Revelation 20:15 'and if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown in the lake of fire'.

It is not nice,of course, but we also do have to consider that verse, don't we?
---Peter on 12/7/11


Poppa, as I wrote on another blog, we'll just have to disagree. If you think I won't be saved because of my beliefs, please pray for me. I have no doubt that you are saved. God bless.
---John.usa on 12/7/11


'christian' who believes it is part of the divine plan to burn people in hell. It's a shame people believe that.
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Amen bigger shame false ministers TEACHING that LIE many follow Dante's inferno and rccs pagan purgatory choosing to reject ignore GOD and HIS TRUTH John 17:17 from Holy Scripture

religious hell doctrine teaches fear CONTRARY to Scripture 2Tim 1:7

Wicked will
perish John 3:16 Psalm 1:6 37:20 102:26 and many dozens of other verses
melt away Psalm 112:10
SHALL NOT LIVE Isa 26:14
Devoured Heb 10:26-27

The GOD of Holy Scripture has a promise it is life OR death ...NOT life OR life being tortured

Choose TRUTH from Holy Scripture that states the wicked shall not live
---Rhonda on 12/7/11


John, you may need to pick up another belief system, because the bible does teach a divine justice, a punishment for the wicked who deny Christs work and a reward for the righteous who walk by faith. Do you believe the entire book of Revelations is a joke? Your idea of God is not found in it. I am sorry, and hope that you can reconcile your version of God with the God of the Bible. You have taken a few passages that contain the word ALL and used them to deny dozens of foundational scriptures, principles and examples that outline salvation, redemption, judgment, hell, heaven, faith, atonement, election, death, Saints, believers, the regenerated and more.
In His grip
---Poppa_Bear on 12/7/11


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Johnusa, with your universal believes that all man will be saved, of course you cannot agree with much anyone of us says concerning hell. But let me tell you that hell is real, and many are heading that way already. The miracle is that God saves many, who only deserve death. He could have chosen not to save anyone, if He so wanted. He could have created a plan where everyone would stay holy, but He didn't. He was and is not obligated to man, that's why He is God Almighty.
---Mark_V. on 12/7/11


MarkV, I was responding to 'christian' who believes it is part of the divine plan to burn people in hell. It's a shame people believe that.
---John.usa on 12/6/11


Johnusa, you also make some bold statements about God.
God did not design a plan to burn people in hell. What's up with that? He designed a plan and knew what man would do because of sin. God didn't make them sin, their evil came from their own fallen hearts. Yet God knew it would happen since He knows all things. That is the way He created this plan, maybe you think you have a better idea for a plan then God.
---Mark_V. on 12/6/11


If it is part of God's divine plan to burn billions of people in hell forever, then that god isn't worth even two seconds of my time. Sorry, that's how it is for me. If you want to live forever in heaven with such a god, be my guest. I don't want anything to do with him.
---John.usa on 12/3/11


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Mark-v I can say Amen to that one......

If someone can literally tell lies about you without knowing you or even have the decency to use what you have said to challenge you... In my honest opinion is not capable of dividing the word of truth... let alone discern good from evil I do not value their opinion.

At least with you mark you questioned me and that is different but to accuse a minister that does not EVEN along with the religion and CHURCH Rhonda don't even know exists
You simply cannot take this woman serious she has no credibility...

If you have lied in Court you will not be called to witness again if the judge knows you lied!

---Carla on 12/3/11


Rhonda, you make some bold statements and then disappear and never answer. What's up with that? Can you not answer? Can you not provide Scripture to what you say? Are you afraid to answer? Are you here to just make comments without having to answer to anyone? Give us Scripture so we can learn what it is you are talking about.
---Mark_V. on 12/2/11


John 10:25-26 Jesus said to her, I am the resurrection and the life. Whoever believes in me, though he die, yet shall he live, and everyone who lives and believes in me shall never die. Do you believe this?

I do believe those in Christ will never die but continue to be alive after the physical body dies.

As such I believe the dead in Christ go to be with Christ. That is the historical view of the church and I can find no convincing reason to reject it.

Adventists promote soul sleep because of their Investigative Judgment theory which in my understanding returns salvation as a gift by grace to a works soteriology.
---lee1538 on 11/30/11


Rhonda, of course when a person dies, he is dead. I believe we all know that. You can touch him but he won't move, or take a breath. The question is, if he is dead physically, what happens to his spirit? It has been brought to spiritual life, and the spirit does not die unless God kills the spirit. And no where are we told He kills the spirit in any believer. He could if He so wanted. So where does the spirit go Rhonda? Give Scripture.
---Mark_V. on 11/30/11


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Johnusa, there is many passages that are interpreted wrong. You have just proved that point. you take a passage and make it doctrine at the expense of compromising the rest of Scripture. There is a heaven and there is a hell, and many will be going to heaven and many will be going to hell. That is the way it is. God's divine plan.
---Mark_V. on 11/29/11


John.usa, amazing how your understanding of 1 Timothy 2:4 & 4:10 is applied to those who died unbelieving in the Word of God and will still make it to heaven. Epistles only applied to the Christians and NEVER the unbelievers. You're doctrine is no better than that of the Buddhists or any other faith BUT the Christian faith. Because in the Christian faith, Christ only died for His people the Father gave to Him.

UNBELIEVABLE!
---christan on 11/28/11


Peter, there are many passages speaking of the salvation of all. But they are ignored, reinterpreted or written off by the people who think they are special and will be saved while other people won't be saved. It's very sad.
---John.usa on 11/27/11


Hi Christian, well, you believe that God doesn't will to save everyone, but 1.Tim.2:4 and 4:10 say he does. So I guess you're reading a different Bible too. So we're even! :)
---John.usa on 11/27/11


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John.usa: 'But all will be saved in the end.'

Much as I'd like to believe that, I cannot find that in the NT. I know the idea of hell horrible, but God states that some will go there, so we can't argue with Him
---Peter on 11/27/11


"But all will be saved in the end. I firmly believe that, else God is cruel." John.usa

ROMANS 9:
18 "Therefore hath He mercy on whom He will have mercy, and whom He will He hardeneth."
19 "Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth He yet find fault? For who hath resisted His will?
20 "Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to Him that formed it, Why hast Thou made me thus?"
21 "Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?"

What god are you preaching? Sure doesn't sound like the God of the Holy Bible.
---christan on 11/27/11


the gates of hell are hades aka the grave

when Christ returns to earth will he find faith? FAITH that HE will return to resurrect all in HIM to eternal life restoring Gods Kingdom on earth where HE will rule from Jerusalem?

AFTER the resurrection Christ will defeat death

basic Scripture teaches the dead are REALLY DEAD in the grave waiting for Christ this is why the gates of the GRAVE will never prevail over the Spiritual Church
---Rhonda on 11/26/11


John then I guess anything gos because that is the natural conclusion to your statement. If were all going to heaven then there is no need to pursue righteousness, integrity, or a pleasing testimony that Glorifies Christ. I believe I love a Just and Holy God who demonstrated his love on the Cross and the seriousness of sin and the death it brings to those who dont except the plan of Salvation. It seems you feel its Gods falt we are wicked and He owes us heaven, that is not part of the Gospel message. I believe in hell because Jesus taught it, and made a specific way to escape it.
---Poppa_Bear on 11/26/11


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Poppa, let's not forget that God created us knowing beforehand we would be wretched sinners and allowing us to be so. But all will be saved in the end. I firmly believe that, else God is cruel.
---John.usa on 11/26/11


John you may be looking at the issue from the wrong end. The question may be, how could we not love a God who has allowed millions of wretched sinners to be called to glory and justified through the suffering of His Son? The question isnt why isnt everyone saved, but why should He save any of us? Weve condemned our self through our actions, without any excuse. If you have ever stared evil in the face you may understand the need for a place called hell and an absolute justice. I have felt evil in my heart that I know deserved hell for ever and if I had never come to Christ I know I was only worthy of eternal separation from His love. Salvation isnt a Government bailout God is not only Love, but Just and Holy also.
---Poppa_Bear on 11/26/11


Is it really possible to love a god so cold-hearted that he would condemn billions of people to eternal torture before they were even born? I don't think so.
---John.usa on 11/25/11


I agree with Bill and Poppa Bear on their answers. This words "gates of Hades" is a Jewish phrase referring to death. Even death, the ultimate weapon of the enemy (Heb. 2:14,15) has no power to stop the Church. Hades is the place of punishment for the spirits of dead unbelievers. The point of entry for such is death.
---Mark_V. on 11/25/11


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Well, in Hebrews 2:14-15, we have, "that through death He might destroy him who had the power of death, that is, the devil, and release those who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage."

So, the "gates of hell" would have to do with whatever can keep us in "fear of death" so that Satan can win against us and have us in slavery of fear > "fear of death" is what can keep us the church from doing all that God wants. This can include how we fear losing the lives we want to selfishly live and control.
---Bill_willa6989 on 11/24/11


Like I said, just a glimpse of the terms and conditions. What can we learn out of it even though its only a parable?
I'll have to watch all the people who loved me and raised me suffer for all eternity I hope they will walk with Jesus and be in heaven brother, other than that, you have to take your point up with the Bible.
---Poppa_Bear on 11/23/11


Jack B, I love Christ because He first loved me. If He hadn't loved me, I would have never loved Him. And because He loved me, I'm able to speak for Him.
"He who believes in Him is not condemned, but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Begotten Son of God"
So while you are alive, you are condemned already to hell for not believing in the Son of God. Guess where your soul is going after death? It is not going to sleep Jack, it is heading to hell. God request that to be. Not I, but Him. I didn't make the rules. The God of Love is the God also of wrath. And there is no Universal salvation. Not found in the Word of God.
---Mark_V. on 11/23/11


"I hope one day you can learn to love a God who is meek and lowly..." JackB

You can pretend to fools the world you love God but what really matters is if God never first loved you, it's the Lake of Fire for you.

"Mark, who says anyone is in hell?" John.usa

"And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats: And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.

Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels."
Matthew 25:32,33,41
---christan on 11/23/11


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Poppa, that story is a parable. If it represents what heaven and hell are really like, then heaven won't be particularly nice because if I'm there I'll have to watch all the people who loved me and raised me suffer for all eternity. That would be a real bummer. :)
---John.usa on 11/22/11


the gates are the openings, the releasings, the entrances, the onslaughts, the oppositions. This would be any weapon that is formed against us will not succeed, but will be utterly condemned. Because the Almighty conquers all evil, and the weakness of God is much more powerful then all the strength of hell combined.
---Eloy on 11/22/11


John, The Rich man and Lazeris are a parable about heaven/paradise and hell/fire, a glimpse of the terms and conditions. It is found in Luke 16. In the parable Abraham says there is NO crossing from one place to the other.
---Poppa_Bear on 11/22/11


Mark, who says anyone is in hell? There hasn't been a resurrection yet. And who says hell is permanent? It isn't, else 1.Cor.15.28 is very misleading.
---John.usa on 11/22/11


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If He is the real Savior of the whole World, then He is not much of a Savior since many are already in hell, and many more will be joining them in the future, Not much to that god --- Mark_V

This is the reason you cannot see. You have already decided that if this is the way God is, then you hold no respect for him.

He is giving you what you want. A life without him.

I hope one day you can learn to love a God who is meek and lowly... just as scripture says he is.
---JackB on 11/22/11


The Nation of Israel was definitely More Special in Gods eyes. But regardless of that reality, Jesus will draw all meant to Him for better or worse, some will confess Him as Lord and their Savior, and some will only be able to confess Him as Lord because they rejected Him as their Savior. Every knee shall bow and every tongue confess Jesus is Lord. God is just, no one will be in hell that didnt deserve to go there and no one will be in heaven that wasnt born again and redeemed by the Blood of the Lamb. Is this a point we agree on?
---Poppa_Bear on 11/22/11


John, don't you realize what you are saying? If He is the real Savior of the whole World, then He is not much of a Savior since many are already in hell, and many more will be joining them in the future, Not much to that god. And please, do not suggest that man won't let them. That too would make for a failure of a God. not much to that god either. Ask Jack B, maybe he can help you.
---Mark_V. on 11/22/11


Careful John, youll make them angry when you bring them down to everyone elses level :P
---JackB on 11/22/11


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Jesus is the Saviour of the world, not just of some select folk who think they are somehow more special in God's eyes. :)

Exactly! 1 John 2:2

Theyre in for a big surprise when they stand before the God of creation and have to explain how they turned so many away from the love of Christ with such a perverted gospel.
I wouldnt wanna be in their shoes.
---JackB on 11/22/11


Mark, Christian & PoppaBear, I guess we can play tu quoque all day, but if you wish, I'll retract what I said about theology. However, when Jesus says he will draw all men to himself, I'll stand by that and rest in it. Jesus is the Saviour of the world, not just of some select folk who think they are somehow more special in God's eyes. :)
---John.usa on 11/22/11


//...making the Bible say something different from what it really says.//

That's what many Biblical theologians do. I don't think they set out to do that. They just end up doing it. It is very difficult not to do. It seems that we have a POV and then end up seeing that when it many times is not there.

Knowing one needs to understand the culture, language, and literature of the times, off hand I'd say that "gates of hades" means nothing will stand in the way of Jesus Christ building His church.
---Rod4Him on 11/21/11


"theology is the art of making the Bible say something different from what it really says. You are practicing that art." John.usa

And the same can be said of you, right? Or are you saying you have the truth to understanding the Scripture?
---christan on 11/21/11


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I believe that the word, all in that context and the original meaning, "all men" stands for all types of man, IE, race, class, creed, age and culture. {All} adjective - accusative plural masculine
pas pas: apparently a primary word, all, any, every, the whole. Geneva Study/Bible Chrysostom and Theophylact say that this word all refers to all nations: that is, not only to the Jews.
John, theology is the art of making the Bible say something different from what it really says That is what youre doing with the term Theology, because that is not what it means brother.
70x7
---Poppa_Bear on 11/22/11


John usa, you make a statement and then run away. What's up with that?
You said,
"theology is the art of making the Bible say something different from what it really says."
John, you did not even look at what Theology means.
Theology is the study of God, and divine doctrines. What you are suggesting is for believers to not study about God, the complete opposite of what Scripture tells us. How can they learn about God if they don't study about God? If you have a problem with a passage or a word in Scripture, at least discuss it, don't just say something and run away. There is many who can answer very kindly.
---Mark_V. on 11/22/11


Christian, theology is the art of making the Bible say something different from what it really says. You are practicing that art. You are saying that All Men means Some Men. If that's what you believe, then there's nothing further to discuss. God bless.
---John.usa on 11/21/11


John.usa, no account or quotes in the Scripture are false or will not come to pass. It is how one is taught with regards to understanding the Scripture.

Eg, when Jesus said "... will draw all men unto me", it does not mean "everyone" of mankind if you diligently search and read the Scripture. Clearly, the "all men" Christ was referring to are only His elect that His Father has given to Him before the foundations of the world. And according to Scripture, not "everyone" of mankind were given to Him.

Many hate this doctrine of election, but it is clearly taught by Jesus and then the apostles who wrote the epistles.
---christan on 11/21/11


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Christian, if Jesus ends up not drawing everyone to himself, then I guess that statement in John is false.
---John.usa on 11/21/11


The gates of hell in this passage is refering to the location that they were at. Jesus and disciples were in Caesaria Philippi. There is a spring that produces water out of this mountain and it has a natural whirlpool effect even to this day. In ancient times people would offer sacrifices to this god by throwing valuables (including children) into this whirlpool. If the god accepted it he would pull it down the funnel "gate" into the deep hole "hell, hades, etc" Thus it became known as the gate to hell. Jesus's point is that his church would not be overtaken by this false religion.
---Scott1 on 11/21/11


John.usa, John 12:32 says "And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me."

Honestly, how do you conclude from John 12:32 into what you declared - "But the gates of hades will not prevail against Jesus, who will break in and get everyone out."?

Did Jesus also died for the Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists and every other man that does not believe in Him? I'm sure when you say "everyone", you are also implying the unbelievers?
---christan on 11/21/11


Christian, yes, everyone. John 12.32.
---John.usa on 11/20/11


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"But the gates of hades will not prevail against Jesus, who will break in and get everyone out."

Everyone? Multitudes are in Hades as we speak. Did Jesus failed in His mission to break in and get everyone out? Did Jesus even say He was getting "everyone" out or "All that the Father giveth me shall come to me, and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out." John 6:37
---christan on 11/20/11


The phrase in Matthew 16:18 is pulai hadou - gates of hell, is a jewish expression meaning 'realm of the dead". The same 2 words appear in Job 38:17 and Isaiah 28:10.

The gates of hell represent the passageway from this life to the grave.

(from Tabletalk, The Gates of Hell, by Kevin DeYoung)

Jesus is saying that the church will not suffer death and that would also mean us.

John 11:25 Jesus said to her, "I am the resurrection and the life. Whoever believes in me, though he die, yet shall he live,
---lee1538 on 11/20/11


Hell is a bundled word in English representing 4 different biblical terms.

Sheowl in Hebrew, Strong's H 7585

Hades in Greek, Strong's G 0086

Geenna, in Greek, Strong's G 1067

Tartaroo. in Greek, Strong's G 5020

In Matthew 16:18 Hades is used. The reference " Gates of Hell is a metaphor meaning Satin himself [See expanded Naves commentary] and has nothing to do with an actual gate.
---Blogger9211 on 11/20/11


Gates are designed to keep people out. But the gates of hades will not prevail against Jesus, who will break in and get everyone out. Paul writes in 1.Cor.15 that death will be abolished.
---John.usa on 11/19/11


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