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Is Missing Hell Fair

Teachings on Hell concern me, happy people in Heaven know others being tortured in Hell. My biggest problem, unfairness caused by humans dying at different ages. One man dies age twenty, another age eighty, so one has sixty more years to declare faith that will save him. Is that fair, or true?

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Richard, had no clue what you were trying to point out and yes there is short space and it will be getting short because we are at 73 post already. Meet you on another post later on. peace
---Mark_V. on 12/17/11


//Original "aka"? //

original Word in context...all glory to God.

global economy does not equal God's economy.

political correctness does not equal righteousness.

obeying the letter of law does not necessarily equal obedience to the Lord.

tolerance does not equal peace.

God's word in context needs no A-1.
---aka on 12/18/11


RichardC - there is a problem of translation with Rev. 10:6

Rev. 10:6 AV And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer

Nearly all the modern versions have the following -

(10:6) ESV and swore by him who lives forever and ever, who created heaven and what is in it, the earth and what is in it, and the sea and what is in it, that there would be no more delay,

While I agree with your position that the damned will eventually cease to exist, MarkV position can be defended, not on reasoning but on scripture alone.
---lee1538 on 12/18/11


Mat 7:11 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to them that ask him?
Mat 7:12 Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.
Mat 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
Mat 7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
---TheSeg on 12/18/11


Richard, you misinterpret the passages in (Rev. 10:6)The context does not show that he was implying that from that moment time would cease to exist.
The passage is speaking of the last initiation of the last plagues of the Day of the Lord. (v. 11:15), indicating that the time the disciples anticipated had come (Matt. 24:3: Acts 1:6). The prayers of the saints had been answered (v.6:9-11: Matt. 6:10). The Angel was taking an oath that the time had come. There was no long any time to wait
---Mark_V. on 12/19/11




Why people believe their God would torture people is beyond me. I wouldnt serve a God that tortures day and night. The thought is even nutty. And you people call yourselves good Christians?
---calhoon on 12/19/11


Mark V 12/15/11 - You use Rev 20:10 to come up with that hell would go on forever - shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
This can not be because Time comes to a end, REFER - REV 10:6 - That there should be time no longer. and day and night has to do with time.
This is why when we come to REVELATION 21:25 It's gates shall not be shut at all by day ( there shall be no night there ) The Time system is Gone - and death and hell - second death there gone. to much to get into in short space,
---RICHARDC on 12/17/11


Geraldine, Instead of trying to figure out the "why" some souls live longer than others, or the "why" some souls go through a lot more pain and suffering than others, just accept that these things happen, and know that God Almighty is in complete control over all of his creation.
---Eloy on 12/17/11


nice does not equal kind.
fair does not equal justice.
human reason does not equal God's purpose.
a wide path is not a narrow path.
beware of the wide path of universalism.
---aka on 12/16/11

Wow! You said so much with so few words.
Original "aka"?
Suitable thoughts for framing or repeating. I will be printing this "aka" - "braka for a steaka".
Haven't ever printed another....including my own. ha.
Pardon...if I use caps on the printed version.....
Blessin's on ya aka.
---Trav on 12/17/11


Once you are saved by the blood of Jesus Christ is a happiest time of your life because you are finally home where you belong with Our Father and Our Savior. I believe that we won't remember those that are in hell, and God gives everybody a change to be with him and it is up to us to pick not Him.
---Ann on 12/17/11




I know the charcter of GOD from Scripture. GOD is Love. He is also just and righteous. Are you saying He is not these things?

True no one will escape the justice of GOD. Also true eternal is forever.

So you say if GOD destroys a soul it comes back again that GOD cannot eternally destroy a soul?

Why does scripture say He will destroy the wicked body and soul if it is not true?

So people do not go to hell physically it is only a spiritual place and not a physical one according to what you say?

You quote the bible that says second death but then say the Bible is false it is not death. Is not the Bible the final truth and authority?

Are the beast and false prophets literal persons?
---Samuel on 12/16/11


Eloy your wrong, how good we live has nothing to do with our judgment. Anything without faith is sin. It explained in Romans 1.
"For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men." (v. 18). ungodlyness is a lack of reverence for, devotion to, and worship of the true God. Then he goes on to say, "His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are withot excuse, because although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened"
---Mark_V. on 12/16/11


Whether the soul is righteous or wicked, following God or following sin, this is the import, and not how many days a soul lives upon the earth. How is it if you live a hundred years and each one of those years you were abused and destroyed every day? Or how is it if you live a hundred years and each one was joyous and plentious and full of good-will? Now where is the grace? It will fall upon that one struggling, for God is merciful. Yet, to know God means more than any thing. I am honored to be God's, how he has lifted me from the lowest hell and converted me to his glory, this is more than any smooth life of the rich whom pass away to the worm, and in their sins onto the eternal separation of ever knowing God.
---Eloy on 12/16/11


nice does not equal kind.
fair does not equal justice.
human reason does not equal God's purpose.


a wide path is not a narrow path.

beware of the wide path of universalism.
---aka on 12/16/11


Samuel, before answering a passage, you first have to know who God is in nature, character and attributes. No one can escape God. Eternal is forever. If a person is destroyed as you imply, then it is not eternal. And not seen by God. There is no eternal destruction. The second death is not dead as in physical. The first death is physical, the second death is spiritual and eternal in the lake of fire, the eternal hell, discribed in Rev. 20: Lake of fire and brinstone where the false prophet and beast are and be tormented day and night forever and ever. Then go to (v.11-15) and those who are judge each one according to his works then they too were cast into the lake of fire. That is the second death. They don't die, they stay there forever.
---Mark_V. on 12/15/11


Okay. Let me try this.

Sinners wake up in the Second resurrection. They stand in front of GOD for judgement. There they see what they lost. Then they are cast into the fire where they each suffer the exact amount of punishment that the justice of GOD demands. Then they die the Second death and cease to exist.

Eternal torture would be eternal punishing over and over. But the punishment is the second death, eternal destrution.

Is that plain enough?
---Samuel on 12/14/11


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Samuel, with all due respect, you did a lot of bobbing and weaving, and didn't answer the question, What is "Eternal punishment/"
If he just dies, is that eternal punishment?
Here is what you imply, you lobby first for separation from God. To be separated from God for all eternity is no great threat to the impenitent person who rapes and kills kids. The ungodly want nothing more than to be separated from God. They would get their wish. Sorry, but that's impossible. God is Omniscient, there is no place where you can go and hide from God. The fact is that the presence of God is what will torment them. In hell God will be present in the fullness of His divine wrath. They will know Him as an all-consuming fire.
---Mark_V. on 12/14/11


Samuel, what does "eternal punisment" mean to you?

Eternal life, refers to spiritual life with Christ, Eternal death refers to a life without Christ, spiritual death. When the lost is spiritually dead, Christ, in that state he will be punish forever. Mark_V.

Notice you must misuse english to make your point. Punisment is done. You need to change the word to punishing or undergo being punished to get it to fit your doctrine.

The wicked burn to death in hell. That is not painless. You make death mean life to make your doctrine work. Death does not mean life. You have to be alive to feel the torture you wish to inflict on people.

You wrongly compare spiritual death with being physically dead.
---Samuel on 12/13/11


Hell/ The lake of fire has not yet occured.

It will happen when the New Jeruisalem comes down from heaven, and satan and all the wicked attack the holy city

When it occurs, it will happen on the surface of the earth not in the earths crust as some suggest

Revelation 20:9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them. And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire
---francis on 12/11/11


Geraldine, of course hell concern's everyone. People in heaven will not know or see those in hell. People dying at different ages might not be fair to us humans since we suffer, but all is set by God. When to be born, where we are going to live, and when we will die and much more. None of us can understand a lot of things but we believe the Bible to be true Word of God. Now many will want to change things because it effect's them or their families, and their own feelings about what is right and what is wrong, but that is a human nature responding. And let me tell you, no matter what anyone says, we don't have the mind of God. Hell is real. We know it exist because God tells us. But no believer should fear it, for we are not going to be there.
---Mark_V. on 12/11/11


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Samuel, what does "eternal punisment" mean to you? temporary? The Bible clearly teaches that the punishment is eternal. The same word is used for both "Eternal life" and "Eternal death". Eternal life, refers to spiritual life with Christ, Eternal death refers to a life without Christ, spiritual death. When the lost is spiritually dead, he is breathing and talking but not in communion with Christ, in that state he will be punish forever. Punishment implies pain. Mere annihilation, which you lobby for, involves no pain. Hell is eternal. Ever burning wrath of God.
---Mark_V. on 12/11/11


What do you all think about this: perhaps God uses the last moments of a person's life to minister to him/her--even like when they're being shocked back to life, to help them? I believe even a few seconds here can be, say, 20 minutes of a life-changing decision for Jesus.
---Mary on 12/10/11


I have to disagree. If a dies w/out salvation that person does spend an eternity in hell.
---richard


You have the right to disagree. But what decides who is right is what the Scripture says. JESUS said the wages of sin is death. Not eternal life.
---Samuel on 12/8/11


I have to disagree. If a dies w/out salvation that person does spend an eternity in hell.
---richard on 12/8/11


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Jehovah's Witnesses teach what the Bible teaches.

Thus, God will 'destroy' both soul and body with no hope of return through resurrection. God will not keep alive wicked people to torture them mercilessly in fire (Lev.19:18). The wicked person is 'destroyed', not given everlasting life- life is not given to the wicked. Rev.20:15 shows 'the Lake of Fire' is the opposite of life. David8318

I agree the wicked will die and cease to exist. The difference is we believe they are judged and cast into hell for what ever period is right then cease to exist.
---Samuel on 12/7/11


-Mark_Eaton on 12/6/11

You will not find any passages that says " the soul goes back to God at death.'
You may find this: Ecclesiastes 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the SPIRIT shall return unto God who gave it.
Luke 23:46 And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my SPIRIT: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost.

In any event, the passages says that Revelation 6:9 I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:

Even if you took that verse literally these are not the wicked who are reserved for judgment these are to be saved
---francis on 12/6/11


David, Peter was talking to man, not God, and in language and terms they were conversant with. He uses "a day" and "a thousand years" knowing full well they already knew what one day and one thousand years meant. Was Peter speaking to men in language and terms they understood, or not?

Regarding Exodus 20:8-11 God commanded the Israelites to work 6-days and rest the 7th why? "For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy."(see Genesis 2:3) But you say He describes His 7 days with the same language He uses to describe their 7 days but they don't mean the same thing! Absurd!
---Warwick on 12/6/11


Did these dead come from "under the altar" or from the sea and hell/ grave?
---francis on 12/5/11

This is what I think.

You do not believe that the soul travels on to God after death. I do. I use many passages as my basis, but none more important that this one, often quoted by many.

Phil 1:21-23 "For to me, to live is Christ and to die is gain. But if I am to live on in the flesh, this will mean fruitful labor for me, and I do not know which to choose. But I am hard-pressed from both directions, having the desire to depart and be with Christ, for that is very much better"
---Mark_Eaton on 12/6/11


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---Mark_Eaton on 12/5/11
2 Peter 2:9 The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished:

So the unjust are they " under that altar" also reserved for judgment?

And all those who died without being slain for the gospel are they also under that same altar?

Revelation 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it, and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

Did these dead come from " under the altar" or from the sea and hell/ grave?
---francis on 12/5/11


---Mark_Eaton on 12/5/11
Do you realy believe that the dead in christ are in heaven LITERALLY UNDER AN ALTAR?
Do you really believe that the dead are in heaven and can see and think and speak?

Ecclesiastes 9:5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward, for the memory of them is forgotten.
Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished, neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun

Do you also beleive that the blood of Abel LITERALLY spoke?
Genesis 4:10 And he said, What hast thou done? the voice of thy brother's blood crieth unto me from the ground.
---francis on 12/5/11


There are many people in this world arrested for their crimes. They await judgement in a cell. When sentenced, the verdict is carried out.
Now let's remove the veil and regard this not only in the physical realm.
---micha9344 on 12/5/11


where ever their bodies are after they died.
---francis on 12/3/11

Funny you should use The Revelation to prove your belief. This verse in The Revelation tells me the opoosite of what you believe.

Rev 6:9 "When the Lamb broke the fifth seal, I saw underneath the altar the souls of those who had been slain because of the word of God, and because of the testimony which they had maintained"
---Mark_Eaton on 12/5/11


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'It is the JW who teach instant annhilation'- Samuel on 11/29/11.

It is the Babylonian who teaches hell-fire and damnation.

Jehovah's Witnesses teach what the Bible teaches- Jesus said at Matthew 10:28, '...but rather fear him who is able to destroy both soul and body in Gehenna'- Weymouth New Testament ("destroy"- also in KJV, NAS, NIV, ASV and just about all other translations).

Thus, God will 'destroy' both soul and body with no hope of return through resurrection. God will not keep alive wicked people to torture them mercilessly in fire (Lev.19:18). The wicked person is 'destroyed', not given everlasting life- life is not given to the wicked. Rev.20:15 shows 'the Lake of Fire' is the opposite of life.
---David8318 on 12/4/11


If hell is permanent, it is a pernicious doctrine, making God the Father more like Herod than Jesus.
---John.usa on 11/27/11


Hell isn't permanent BUT THE LAKE OF FIRE IS! (Rev. 20:7-15)

Geraldine: People in Hell aren't tormented by God! Lost souls are "tortured" in the flames of their own grief & sorrow after coming face-to-face with the horrid reality of their unrepentant sin. (Lk.16:19-31)

People in Heaven aren't sad over the loss of loved ones who are in Hell. Scripture says God wipes away all tears, i.e., people in "Heaven" have no memory of those in Hell. BUT, souls in Hell are tortured by memories of those in Heaven.
---Leon on 12/3/11


where are the unrighteous souls now being reserved by God for judgment? ---Mark_Eaton on 12/2/11

where ever their bodies are after they died.

Revelation 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God,.. and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
Revelation 20:13 And the SEA gave up the dead which were in it, and death and hell(THE GRAVE) delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
---francis on 12/3/11


Samuel, Do the Scriptures mean that the soul will be annihilated?! READ, in the Book of REVELATION 14:9-11, that which happens to those of mankind who will accept the mark of the Beast: "...If any man worship the Beast and his image, and receive his mark...he shall be tormented with Fire and Brimstone...and the smoke of their Torment ascendeth up Forever and Ever: and they have no rest day nor night...whosoever receiveth the mark of his name." As it is said, where there is smoke, there is Fire. And, if there is smoke continually ascending upward, then a Fire must likewise continually be burning to produce that smoke. LUKE 16 also testifies to us what happens to a sinner at Death, in Hell.
---Gordon on 12/3/11


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PETER, The Verse in the Scriptures about some receiving many stripes and others only a few stripes is telling us that the Punishments in Hell and in the Lake of Fire will not be the same degree for everyone. The same is true in Heaven. Everyone will not be rewarded the same. In Hell, some will experience a greater level of Torments than others. 'Though, no matter what, even the least degree of Torment in Hell will be most unbearable. It is that horrible.
---Gordon on 12/3/11


Gordan you base your belief on the immortal soul that you say GOD designed. But please show me where a soul is ever called immortal? Soul is used to describe all of us body, and Spirit. In Gen 2:7 And the LORD God formed man [of] the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and man became a living soul. KJV

Mat 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

When you destroy a body and soul they are no longer alive.
---Samuel on 12/2/11


I think that we are saying the same thing. No one is burning in hell / lake of fire right now
---francis on 12/1/11

Sorry, we are not.

We agree that the unrighteous souls will not burn for eternity in the Lake of Fire. It says this is the second death. The first death is the death of the physical body, the second death is the death of the soul.

However, where are the unrighteous souls now being reserved by God for judgment? Where are they being kept? Are they roaming around free as ghosts? Are they sleeping?

2 Peter 2:9 uses the phrase "to reserve the unjust". That word "reserve" in Greek has a meaning of guard, hold fast, keep, keep watch over, keep in custody, etc.
---Mark_Eaton on 12/2/11


"My, my, my, my, my....I explained that the soul/spirit dies differently than the physical body." Gordon

Just because you have "explained" this doesn't mean it is based on scripture. What the inspired text does say is:

"The soul that sins shall die." Ezekiel 18:20, RSV
---scott on 12/2/11


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Gordon, I love you as a human brother, and I believe you will be happier if you do some research on LOVE. It is sad to see Christians being critical of brothers. Our greatest obedience to God's wishes is "Love one another." We can teach in love.
---Geraldine on 12/2/11


Scott, My, my, my, my, my....You have absoluterly NO CLUE what the LORD meant when HE said that the "soul that sins shall surely die!". I explained that the soul/spirit dies differently than the physical body. You need to get-a-researchin' man. Because you ain't got a CLUE. You're just snug, safe and satisfied with a type of unconscious annihilation, or WHATEVER. But, it's TORMENTS in Hell and the Lake of Fire FOREVER. So, do yourself a favour. Do some real research on this subject.
---Gordon on 12/2/11


"The soul does not die." Gordon

"The soul that sins shall die." Ezekiel 18:20, RSV
---scott on 12/2/11


Samuel, About the Lake of Fire. It's like Lava from a Volcano. The cooler Lava the gets, the more solidified it becomes. Like rock-solid. And, the opposite is true. The hotter Lava becomes, the more liquified it becomes. Like water. Thus it becomes "fire water". Literally. The soul does not die. It was designed by GOD to live for the rest of Eternity. When the Damned are cast into this Lake of Fiery Water, they will merely exist in torments in this Lake. They will have no real "Life". No purpose or meaning for existing. But, they will only be alive to wallow in torments in that Hot Water. Burning and the sensation of drowning will be their constant experiences throughout Eternity.
---Gordon on 12/1/11


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SAMUEL, I am clarifying something. There is a difference between the death of the physical body and the death of the spirit and soul of a human being. Do you recall what GOD told Adam and Eve would happen to them on the day that they were to eat of the forbidden fruit from the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil? GOD warned that on the day that they eat from that Tree, they would surely DIE. Did they die on that day that they ate from the Tree? YES. But, they died spiritually, not physically. 'Though it started the process of physical death. Still they brought upon themselves spiritual death which instantly separated them from GOD. Which is why we all need soul-Salvation. Death of the physical body and spiritual death are two separate things.
---Gordon on 12/1/11


Gordan you have redefined the word dead. Acording to you a being alive in torture is the same as being dead. For example one Pope of Rome dug up his predecessor and had the body tortured. Now the person being dead felt nothing. So the dead do not feel as you say they do.

So either a person is dead or alive. Now a person living can be spiritually dead right now.

The question brought up how literal is the Lake of Fire. I am not sure. But fire is to be used to cleanse the earth just like water in the days of Noah. So the water is literal so must be the fire. Just being a lake maybe symbolism though.
---Samuel on 12/1/11


Samuel: 'JESUS said there would be some many stripes and some few'

Are you sure that is actually teaching about hell, and not earthly punishment. For in Rev 20 and 21, the lake of fire appears to be permanent
---Peter on 12/1/11


If they are reserved to the day of judgment, they are not burning right now
---francis on 12/1/11

However, it is not the Lake of Fire which is the final judgment.
---Mark_Eaton on 12/1/11

I think that we are saying the same thing. No one is burning in hell / lake of fire right now
---francis on 12/1/11


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Peter, in part Rev.21:8 reads, 'their place will be in the fiery lake of burning sulfur.' (NIV)

According to Revelation 19:20 'the beast' and 'the false prophet' are also thrown into the 'fiery lake of burning sulfur.'

So in addition to those described at Rev.21:8, the 'fiery lake of burning sulfur' also receives 'the wild beast' and 'the false prophet'. If the 'firey lake of sulfur' is literal, so too is the 'wild beast' and 'the false prophet'.

I do not believe there is a literal 'wild beast' with '10 horns and 7 heads'. It is symbolic, just as the 'fiery lake' it is thrown to is symbolic- symbolic of complete destruction with no return. Thus bad people are destroyed, not burned mercilessly (Mt.10:28, 'destroy' NIV).
---David8318 on 12/1/11


You make a valid point Geraldine that God wants reconciliation.

For those who have died, I believe that possibility of reconciliation with God will come in the resurrection, after Armageddon when they are raised back to life and given another oportunity to declare their faith- Acts 24:15.

For some it will be a resurrection 'to life', for others, a resurrection 'of Judgment' (Jo.5:28,29), depending on their deeds done during Christ's 1000 year reign over earth- Rev.20:13.

In the grave there is no chance of declaring ones faith. Eccs.9:10 says 'for in the grave... there is neither working nor planning nor knowledge nor wisdom.' (NIV)

God will resurrect people back to life on earth for them to declare their faith.
---David8318 on 12/1/11


If they are reserved to the day of judgment, they are not burning right now
---francis on 12/1/11

I agreed with your post until you made this statement.

I also saw that you omitted some of the verse to 2 Peter 2:9. Specifically, the part about keeping the unrighteous UNDER PUNISHMENT. God threw the angels in pits of darkness to reserve them for judgment. God has these people who are reserved for judgment also in a location. Jesus called it Abraham's bosom. We could call it Hades or Hell. However, it is not the Lake of Fire which is the final judgment.
---Mark_Eaton on 12/1/11


There is a group of Christians who believe there will be universal reconciliation with God, that God will help sinners with rebelious genetic makeup find the way back to Him. If people believe this is God's desire, peace is possible. God loves his enemies, as he commands us to love our enemies.
---Geraldine on 12/1/11


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the results of hell ( the lake of fire) is eternal / everlasting. Not the fire and burning itself.

Jude 1:7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of ETERNAL FIRE

No one can say that Sodom is still burning today, but the results of the fire is eternal. That is the biblical example which we have been given

Malachi 4:3 And ye shall tread down the wicked, for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this,

If they are ashes, it means that they are all burntup

2 Peter 2:9 The Lord knoweth how,,to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished:

If they are reserved to the day of judgment, they are not burning right now
---francis on 12/1/11


Rhonda, The Damned will be alive forever in Torments. But, being alive in torments is not the Eternal Life that the Saints have in Heaven. Eternal Life is not simply a matter of being "alive". It is QUALITY EXISTENCE. Being alive in Torments is not real Life. In Hell the Damned are stripped of being people of any worth or value. They are utterly forgotten by all in Heaven (except GOD remembers them, but only expresses HIS Wrath toward them. JOHN 3:36) They are in complete destitution and misery. They experience only agony, pain, regret, depression, anger, hatred, sadness, hopelessness, emptiness, loneliness. Plus the Fires, Worms, Darkness and the devils who gleefully torture without mercy. This is DEATH.
---Gordon on 12/1/11


Rhonda, If you don't accept the Bread of Life you will be Toast.
---Elder on 11/30/11


Show me where in the bible the Wicked are given eternal life?
****

AMEN

if the wicked are "tortured forever" as the horror fairy tale of men following Dante not Holy Word of God sell then they must also be given immortality

per Holy Scripture immortality is GIVEN at the resurrection of all when Christ returns and no man is immortal except GOD 1Tim 6:16

counterfeit christianity practices paganism when the teach immortality
---Rhonda on 11/30/11


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David: 'To be burned mercilessly forever?'

How about Revelation 21:8?
---Peter on 11/30/11


Being cast in to hell is not mere annhilation. JESUS said there would be some many stripes and some few. How long each person suffers is in pefect righteouness of govement of GOD.

Not as some teach all recieve the exact same punishment of eternal suffering being given eternal life in hell.

Show me where in the bible the Wicked are given eternal life?

Read the Book by Fudge a Non Adventis called the Fire that Consumes. Look up Conditionalism. It is the JW who teach instant annhilation.
---Samuel on 11/29/11


GOD is always fair, no matter how it seems to us. We are limited in our understanding. GOD's Ways are not man's ways. The Bible says that GOD's Ways are HIGHER than man's. Always remember that GOD is always Just, Fair and True. People in Heaven will not be mourning over loved ones in Hell. GOD can erase all memories of people they knew of that will be in Hell. Those in Hell, part of their Judgment and Damnation is that they will be NOTHING, NOBODYS and they will be utterly forgotten. Only GOD will remember them, but, it will be in His Wrath. JOHN 3:36.
---Gordon on 11/29/11


Geraldine, hell-fire as taught in Christendoms churches where people are sent to be tortured mercilessly is not a Bible teaching.

Jesus used the word 'Gehenna' at places where many translators wrongly use the word 'hell' to misrepresent God and mislead many.

Those who suffer death are said by Jesus to be asleep- Jo.11:11, Eccs.9:5.

What will the outcome be for wicked people? To be burned mercilessly forever? What does the Bible teach?

Acts 24:15, 'there will be a resurrection of both the righteous and the wicked.' (NIV)

So whether one has died young or old, God during Christ's 1000 year reign over earth will give them a second oportunity to declare their faith by resurrecting them back to life- John 5:28,29.
---David8318 on 11/29/11


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Rhonda, are you suggesting that God, who is Almighty God, whom no one can stay His hand and say to Him, what does thou?" wants something bad and somehow, something or someone has more power then He? That He made a plan not knowing what would happen? And every time a man changes his mind, God has to change His plan? That He is at the mercy of man? Where did you find that god?
That is not the God of the Bible.
---Mark_V. on 11/29/11


God calls some in this life not others for HIS purpose however salvation and eternal life is what GOD wants for all ...today is not the only day for salvation as the lying preachers teach.

Further hell is the GRAVE. Lying sadistic ministers of Satan want people to believe hell is a place which directly CONTRADICTS Holy Scripture

PER Holy Scripture Mal 4:1,3 the wicked will be burned up leaving neither branch nor root to be ashes


TEACHINGS on hell are LIES

CHOOSE Truth from Holy Scripture! the wicked will simply cease to exist
---Rhonda on 11/29/11


Daniel 4:35, "And all the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing: and he doeth according to his will in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth: and none can stay his hand, or say unto him, What doest thou?

Romans 9:19,20 "Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will? Nay but, O MAN, WHO ART THOU THAT REPLIEST AGAINST GOD? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?"

Psalm 115:3, 135:6 "But our God is in the heavens: He hath done whatsoever He hath pleased. Whatsoever the LORD pleased, that did He in heaven, and in earth, in the seas, and all deep places."
---christan on 11/29/11


Samuel, your wrong. after the judgment you will not cease to exist, Or mere annihilation, as you imply, which involves no pain. After reading the teachings on( Revelation 6:15,16)
"Wicked men will hereafter earnestly wish to be turned to nothing and forever cease to be that they may escape the wrath of God"
Some people even suggest that hell is only a symbol for separation from God. To be separated from God for eternity is no great threat to them. For as we know the ungodly want nothing more than to be separated from God. But their problem in hell will not be separation from God, it will be the presence of God that will torment them. In hell He will be present in His fullness of His divine wrath.
---Mark_V. on 11/29/11


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Hi, Geraldine (c: God bless you (c: I don't assume that people in Heaven are happy while knowing people are in Hell. Possibly, their attention is concentrated on God and love . . . there. Do you think all day about hungry people in Africa while you are loving your family at a holiday dinner? But you might do what you can to help those less fortunate. But this world is not fair, right? This is why ones die earlier, etc. It is not God who is unfair, but sin is unfair. If one lives longer > "evil men and impostors will grow worse and worse, deceiving and being deceived." (in 2 Timothy 3:13) So, may be it is unfair they stay on earth and grow worse for a worse judgment. And their worse character makes them less likely to turn to God.
---Bill_willa6989 on 11/28/11


JESUS said some would be punished more than others. Luke 12:47,48

But since most people give all the lost the same punishment they have to ignore that verse.

Hell comes at the Second Resurrection. See Revelation on the two resurrections. Those who go to hell die the second death after each is punished exactly fairly and as JESUS said the wages of sin is death. Not eternal life in torment.
---Samuel on 11/28/11


Thanks to the responses from all of you, the clouds are lifting for me a little on this topic. I especially am examining the aspect that hell is eternal but torture is not. And I thought how sad if an unsaved person burns to death in this life and then has to endure it again after God's judgment.
---Geraldine on 11/28/11


hello,all my "Family"...thanks! bro.John.usa. we need encouragementall of us! :) Love of Jesus..
---ELENA on 11/28/11


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Read THE RIVER OF FIRE.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 11/28/11


Think about this when wondering whats fair. God created Angels and gave the most beautiful a leaders position,but he rebelled against God and got one third of the Angels on his side. God cast them out. Then God created humankind,gave them a beautiful garden to live in but they rebelled,he cast them out. God choose Israel as his choosen,gave them Laws to keep,they rebelled,he cast them out. In mercy God sought another way for man to find eternal life with him. He took his own Word,made it flesh and blood,his son,and then gave his only son as a sacrifice for sinners that if they accept Christ,they will live with God. All God wanted was someone to love him and have fellowship with him. People themselves choose heaven or hell.
---Darlene_1 on 11/28/11


No matter how much time you were given to live in this world, God has put each one of us in a position that we would seek Him.

There are things that seem unfair from our point of view so it is better to think that God's ways are not our ways. Just have faith in God's character. Personally, whenever I am having a hard time trying to make sense of things, I just keep in mind that God is too wise to be mistaken. God is too Good to be unkind.
---Evan on 11/28/11


If hell is permanent, it is a pernicious doctrine, making God the Father more like Herod than Jesus. If we take sin so lightly even though it cost God the Son all it did, man is more like the Devil than all the fallen angels who follow him.
---Poppa_Bear on 11/28/11


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Elena, that's a really nice story. God bless you! :)
---John.usa on 11/28/11


Matthew 25, when the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his throne in heavenly glory. All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left Then he will say to those on his left, "Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.
---Poppa_Bear on 11/28/11


One man dies age twenty, another age eighty, so one has sixty more years to declare faith that will save him. Is that fair, or true? Was the cross fare, a Holy God dying for people who reject His love millions of times even by the time their twenty, even though He has given them a conscience telling them wrong from right, is if fare that many hear the Gospel and still reject it? Is it fare that some love their sin more than God, the one who allows them each breath they take? Is it fare that those who reject Christ should share in His Glory?
---Poppa_Bear on 11/28/11


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