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Slain In The Spirit

There are those who have had exotic spiritual experiences such as being "slain in the Spirit". What I want to know is whether there is any positive effects on ones spiritual life as a result.

Moderator - Yes, because once you have a personal touch from God, He becomes even more real IE coming out of the pages of your Bible. If one has seen God in such a way and does't draw closer to Him, they are without excuse because they know better.

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MarkV, the problem is that you automatically assume that other people arent born of the Spirit because when they read scripture they dont agree with your interpretation. Maybe its the other way around.

I mean lets be completely honest here. Please search your heart. The only man who can live happily with the "God wants me to live forever and you to burn in hell" gospel is a man who is completely self-centered and cares nothing about where his neighbor spends eternity as long as he himself is safe.

Does that remind you of Jesus Christ at all? The Jesus I know is nothing like that. He is a king who is meek and lowly and not too proud to become a servant to show his love. Far from self-centered.
---JackB on 12/14/11


Kathr, no matter what you say about me, I will continue to treat you as my adversary. You call me a Mormon, because you don't have anything from the word of God to answer with, so you cannot help yourself but throw more arrows, don't worry they do not hit anything, you know why? because I'm a Christian, who believes in the Eternal Begotten Son of God as my Lord and Savior.
---Mark_V. on 12/14/11


Second reason was, because only those born of the Spirit have the ability through the Holy Spirit to undersand spiritual revelation. ---Mark_V. on 12/13/11


Let's all remember God reveals His WORD to us and illuminates HIS WORD, and there are no spiritual revelations not grounded in His Word.

Remember satan is one who tooo can manifest himslf as a Spirit of LIGHT and preacher of righteousness.

The ONLY way we know is to have God's WORD to verify, qualify and have at least 1 or 2 other witnesses ( scriptures) to testify of truth.

Where is your scriptures MarkV? And please don't just throw out any old scripture and say...will you must nt be born again if you didn't understand it.

That's a con game.
---kathr4453 on 12/14/11


Slain in the spirit is another area of which many testify to experiencing, yet there are no scriptures to back up being slain in the spirit. Oh yes, one will throw out this or that verse to try to qualify, yet, we know slain means death, and what spirit then is put to death. God's spirit in you or man's spirit in you???

Satan can immitate anything EXCEPT the Power of the CROSS.


Oh I know, experience is everything right? We live and swear by our experiences.

Look at all the experiences one has claimed here on line that come under question. Some have experienced seeing the Virgin Mary too. Oh I don't doubt they saw something, but is that scriptural. Was it REALLY Mary and from God?

---kathr4453 on 12/14/11


The Spirit of the Life of CHRIST,

The Last man Adam( who is Christ) is a LIFE GIVING SPIRIT.

MarkV, what you want us to believe is that one can be Born Again without Christ. That one can have eternal life apart from Christ.

What does 1st John 1 say, who was with the Father? It says ETERNAL LIFE was with the Father...Jesus said I AM the Resurrection.

Jesus was the one who tasted death for US SO THAT through His death and resurrection we are raised up together with Him.

I know how you skirt around the fact that CHRIST died and rose again for our Justification. We are justified by HIS BLOOD, and saved by HIS LIFE! God and the Holy Spirit don't have blood!

Are you a mormon really markv??
---kathr4453 on 12/13/11




Jack, I knew you would ask why I said what I did, and here is why.
You can study the Bible every day and not understand not understand one bit of it unless the Spirit of God, the Holy Spirit reveals it to you.
Second reason was, because only those born of the Spirit have the ability through the Holy Spirit to undersand spiritual revelation. To the others the Word of God is foolishness. I hope I cleared that up.
---Mark_V. on 12/13/11


Kathr Part2: We are also told,
"And when you pray, you shall not be like the hypocrites. For they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the corners of the streets, that they may be seen by men" (Matt. 6:5).
You did just that, in front of everyone, to proof the Spirit revealed those two passages to you, but they do not confirm what you have been saying. Of course God gives the Holy Spirit to believes as I had said before, not to unbelievers, by indwelling them with the Holy Spirit to equip them for witnessing the gospel Truth. The Spirit of Christ comes to live in your heart. Then He seals you, Just as I had told you.
---Mark_V. on 12/13/11


Lee 1538, People leave denominations or religious experiences for many different reasons but that doesn't mean they are evil for all people. The Gift of the Baptism of the HG with tongues isn't a phenomena,it is the Gift Christ prayed the Father for,a Comforter for his people. Yes there are many who have received the HG with tongues that are spread through most denominations,which I think I pointed out in a post. Pentecost is an experience,man named it a denomination. You don't have to be in a church to receive him that way. I was alone at home in my prayer closet. The Bible is manna to our lives and the more you get from God the more you want to know his Word. He who receives much from God owes much to God. Blessings
---Darlene_1 on 12/13/11


Matthew 7:11
If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven GRANT good things to them that ask him?


Luke 11:13
If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: ow much more shall your heavenly Father GRANT the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?


Thank you FAther for teaching me your WORD and showing me these scriptures YOU brouhg to my mind!
---kathr4453 on 12/13/11


Acts 15: Peter testifying before the council how even gentiles are granted the promise of the Holy Spirit:
And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness , granting/giving(STRONGS 1325) them the Holy Ghost, even as [he did] unto us, Peter talking about Gentiles being GIVEN or GRANTED the Holy Spirit.
Give and Grant are the exact same word in Strongs # 1325.

Dont get some idea that God is sitting on His throne granting this or that just because he feels like it.
Gods PROMISES are GIVEN/GRANTED based on His promises, and those promises are secure in Jesus Christ and His sacrifice on the cross, not Gods good humor.
---kathr4453 on 12/13/11




Kathr, you can put three or more blogs together and say a lot of stuff, but have nothing from Scripture to back you up what you say. You are given Scripture and you continue to say, no that is not true. Even when it comes from the Word of God. The point is, that it is God who grants repentance, forgivness and faith. And He does not do that to everyone. You are completely confused because you came to Christ without faith, believing you did not have to believe in the Eternal Son of God. Here is why I say this, when you answer, you say Jesus brings life, when we are told the Father brings life, and the Holy Spirit brings life. You want to separate Christ from His deity. Jesus is God, He is not created.
---Mark_V. on 12/13/11


Jack B, a good study in Scripture would help you, but then again maybe not. MarkV

What exactly makes you so sure that I havent studied scripture more than you have?
Because I didnt come to the same conclusion as you?

I dont feel the need to have other men explain the words of scripture to me in their own writings. When I read the word of God it comes to me just fine by the Spirit of God. Theres no need for Calvin, Spurgeon or any other "expert" to teach me.

Our Bibles dont even say the same thing. No wonder we have two different interpretations. Geneva Bible Im assuming?
---JackB on 12/13/11


No MarkV, Paul is talking to gentiles in that God has also granted GENTILES salvation.

Remember Paul was the Apostle to the Gentiles. It has nothing to do with God granting anyone forgivness based solely on His sovereign will to GRANT.

There is no forgivness apart from the BLOOD of Jesus Christ, and Paul tells us in Ephesians GENTILES are brought near by the BLOOD OF JESUS CHRIST. Because Jesus died for teh sin of te whole world both Jew and Gentile can find forgivness in Christ's sacrifice ALONE!

Remember, Calvinists deny redemption/mercy through the BLOOD! Theirs is simply ANOTHER GOSPEL not found in the COMPLETE WORD OF GOD. They cherry pick and rearrange the meaning of scripture to suit their false doctrine.
---kathr4453 on 12/13/11


According to His Mercy.... Yes God SHOWED Adam/Eve Mercy when He covered them in animal skins, first killing an animal to do so. The Just for the unjust. The innocent for the guilty. Yes, in God's mercy something has to die.

God showed mercy to Israel bringing them out of Egypt, called the PASSOVER. The Reason God could have mercy on them was all those labbs and goats who died, and their blood put over their doorposts.

You have a peculiar understanding of mercy leej, your's comes without any price. CHEAP MERCY. Not even found in scripture.

Mercy can never be separated from the sacrifice of someone or something. You teach Pharoah was that sacrifice. WRONG!
---kathr4453 on 12/13/11


The problem with the calvinists doctrine of mercy is that they believe God's Mercy is revealed to those only through showing His Wrath towards another, using Romans 9 as their point of text. What they totally fail to understannd is this:

God made a covenanant promise to Abraham concerning Israel 400 years before God brought them out of Egypt bringing them into the Land He Promised them, using Moses as the instrument of that promise. God was already in a relationship with them, and we see again God's mercy shown to them when they sinned in the wilderness.It was through Moses prayer and pleading for forgivness that God didn't destroy Israel right then!
---kathr4453 on 12/13/11


God's Mercy can NEVER be separated from BLOOD. BLOOD was sprinkled on the mercy seat. ALL things were sprinkled with Blood.

Calvinists believe in a mercy without BLOOD.

They believe that in God's mercy He picks and chooses who's man spirit He wants to bring back to life SO THAT he can save them. SO THAT THEY can respond to the Gospel. If it still "man's spirit" responding to the Gospel, they completely contradict themselves since man no matter what (they say) cannot save themselves.

If it's truly as you say, God doesn't even need to rebiirth the dead spirit of man to save man.

The more you all talk, the more insane this doctrine becomes.
---kathr4453 on 12/13/11


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Jack B, a good study in Scripture would help you, but then again maybe not.
"...God may perhaps "grant" that they will repent and come to know the truth, and they may escape from the snare of the devil, after being captured by him to do his will" ( 2 Tim. 2:25,26 ).

He grants repentance, and you repent, not only repent but the come to know the Truth, why? In order that you can escape from the devil. Eph. 2:1-3 also tells us that before we are made alive we were walking to the course of this world, according to the price of the power of the air, the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience.
---Mark_V. on 12/13/11


God still has stipulations on his mercy. One is repentant heart. There are MANY others.

You cant take repentance out of salvation. The Holy Spirit convicts us of sin, He doesnt make us repent. That is not written anywhere in scripture.
---JackB on 12/12/11


Kathr4453 //Titus 3:5
Not by works of righteousness which we have done,but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost.

Note the phrase "according to his mercy", it is not something that we do on our own but according to God's mercy.

In the same sense, God has mercy on whomever He wills, and that apart from anything we are or do. Read Romans 9.
---lee1538 on 12/12/11



Matthew 19:28 KJV
And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

Sorry Lee1538 nice try, however Scripture uses regeneration only 2 times, and this is teh other verse. Also having NOTHING to do with the Holy Spirit regenerating the spirit of man.


To FOLLOW Jesus in the regeneration means to follow Him in death and resurrection life.

Only those who have followed Jesus in death and resurrection, and are overcomers will will sit with Christ on His throne JUDGING,,,
---kathr4453 on 12/12/11


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The dead do not have the capacity to iniate salvation on their own nor can the blind see unless God enables them to.leej//

Is that so,?? How then can you explain this verse,

Revelation 3:18
I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich, and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear, and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see..
---kathr4453 on 12/12/11


Faith comes after regeneration. Otherwise, salvation would be something of man as his own savior.

This topic was debated between Dave Hunt (What Love is This?) and James White (the Potter's Freedom), I believe White has the more persuasive argument that regeneration precedes faith.
---lee1538 on 12/12/
Regeneration then is given a different definition than scripture teaches. Regeneration is the New Birth. No one is Born of God before faith in Christ.

Titus 3:5
Not by works of righteousness which we have done,but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost
You're saying the opposite of what this verse says, Or are you saying one is SAVED twice???
---kathr4453 on 12/12/11


//That is not what you are saying. You said the Holy Spirit has to bring to alive TO Christ first before you can have faith In Christ.

I believe what Ephesians is saying is confirming salvation is wholly of God, not of ourselves.

The dead do not have the capacity to iniate salvation on their own nor can the blind see unless God enables them to.

Faith comes after regeneration. Otherwise, salvation would be something of man as his own savior.

This topic was debated between Dave Hunt (What Love is This?) and James White (the Potter's Freedom), I believe White has the more persuasive argument that regeneration precedes faith.
---lee1538 on 12/12/11


Ephesians 2:5
Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved,)6And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:

Ephesians 2 tells us the only quickening of anyone is to be made alive TOGETHER WITH CHRIST , and raised up to sit in heavenly places IN CHRIST JESUS.

That is not what you are saying. You said the Holy Spirit has to bring to alive TO Christ first before you can have faith In Christ.

This says no such thing.

There is only ONE BIRTH, and that is being Quickened/together WITH CHRIST, and when that happens you are saved by Grace.
---kathr4453 on 12/12/11


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Darlene //God will give committed Christians who ask the Gift of the HG with tongues, he does not give the Gift of Tongues needing interpretation to all. I hope this makes it a little clearer. Blessings
---_
I find it interesting that some who have experience speaking in tongues have since rejected the experience.

And I find it also interesting that many who have experienced this phenomena have not joined any charismatic or Pentecostal group.

In any case, if any experience drives one into the Bible and makes one a better Christian, I am all for it.

Perhaps this would be a good thing for Adventists to experience.
---lee1538 on 12/12/11


How do you think one is reborn spiritually without receiving the Spirit of Christ first, Mark?

Our spirit isnt reborn, its dead. He gives us a new one: his own.

A man with a dead spirit can still reason and choose to follow the Lord. The 12 apostles did it. That is what God is requiring us to do. We must reason that we are in need of his salvation and call upon his name.
---JackB on 12/12/11


Lee 1538 So many times people mistake the tongues received with the Gift of the Baptism of the Holy Ghost for the Gift of Tongues. They are not the same,what is received with the Baptism is tongues,not the Gift of Tongues. The Pentecostals are not contrary to the Bible. I was forgiven/saved at 11 years old but didn't receive the Gift of the HG with tongues until 22. It was twenty years after that before God gave me the Gift of Tongues which he used through me for Body ministry and needed interpretation. God will give commited Christians who ask the Gift of the HG with tongues,he does not give the Gift of Tongues needing interpretation to all. I hope this makes it a little clearer. Blessings
---Darlene_1 on 12/12/11


1 Corinthians 2:11
For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.



Paul clearly teaches that the spirit of man can never know the things of God, but only those who have the Spirit of God in them KNOW.

Therefore the spirit of man, dead or alive cannot know the things of God.

Thank you Lord for Paul and your truth through him that even then there must have been false teachers you knew beforehand would pervert teh Gospel and that you before hand KNEW how to NIP IN THE BUD!
---kathr4453 on 12/12/11


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Kathr, you try hard to find contradictions, not because you want to know, but because you want to find fault.
First of all no unbelievers are indwelled by the Spirit. Only those who are born of the Spirit who are granded faith, and repentance. Who commit their lives to Christ because of that faith they have been given and commit because of their conviction, these same believers are baptized into the body of Christ, and indwelled by the Spirit, and sealed forever. You cannot be sealed or indwelled unless you are born of the Spirit. The first action by God is explained in Eph. 2. "And you He made alive (NOW LISTEN) who were dead in trespasses an sins, in which you once walked according to the course of this world..."
---Mark_V. on 12/12/11


Kathr Part2: Why do you think a person who is dead in sin, has to be brought to spiritual life? Because he is dead in sin, spiritually dead to God. These people walk according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience, conduct themselves in the lusts of the flesh fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and by nature they are children of wrath just like everyone else who is lost. But God, who is rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, ( He is refering to the elect only since He does not tell us He does it to everyone) only us, when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with Christ." That is spiritual life, because we are drawn back to God.
---Mark_V. on 12/12/11


//Concerning Baptism of the Holy Spirit, all believers are baptized by the Holy Spirit, baptized into One spiritual body in Christ.

I agree, however, is the evidence of the baptism of the Holy Spirit speaking in tongues? Or is it scripture tells us, that God gives whatever gifts for the upbuilding of His church?

1 Corinthians 12:30 Do all possess gifts of healing? Do all speak with tongues? Do all interpret?

The very obvious answer is "NO" and if that is true, then Pentecostalism is truly contrary to the Bible - that one has to speak in tongues as evidence of the Holy Spirit.



---lee1538 on 12/11/11


Concerning Baptism of the Holy Spirit, all believers are baptized by the Holy Spirit, baptized into One spiritual body in Christ. John talks about that baptism in John 3:11. markV///

Then you said this concerning John 3:11

What I did say is that, born again is not the indwelling of the Spirit. When a person is born again, it means he is brought to spiritual life, ---Mark_V. on 12/10/11

There seems to be a contradiction here MarkV.

You keep insisting one needs to be rebirth FIRST before one can have faith to believe in Jesus using John 3 at your text proof, NOW you say it is teh baptism of the Holy Spirit, baptizing you INTO CHRIST.

Please clarify.
---kathr4453 on 12/11/11


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Jesus is who baptizes us with the Holy Spirit and with fire. John said JESUS would baptize you.

So we need to make sure we understand JESUS BAPTISM. We are Baptized into Jesus Death and resurrection AFTER we receive Jesus Christ for the forgivness of SIN, and we are washed in His Blood.

No unwashed sinner is first baptized into Jesus Christ, or receive a rebirth of their spirit first. It's because we are first washed in His Blood that gives us access into Christ. Salvation is clearly laid out in Hebrews.

Revelation 1:5
And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood.
---kathr4453 on 12/11/11


Concerning Baptism of the Holy Spirit, all believers are baptized by the Holy Spirit, baptized into One spiritual body in Christ. John talks about that baptism in John 3:11. Many are baptized in water, but that is not a spiritual baptism. That is a works baptism, something believers are commanded to do after believing in Christ. Many are given different gifts for the purpose of edifying the Church of Christ. Many gifts are not for this age for we have a complete Cannon of Scripture. Tongues were a gift but they were other languages and would be interpreted by other believers. There is no mention that there was languages for angels.
---Mark_V. on 12/10/11


Darline, thank you for your answer. The way I understand "touch" is the way you have touch my heart by what you do, in praying for others. That has touched me. The things of God also touch me in that God gave up His own Son. Something no human would want to do. Those things touch me. And I believe every Christian is touched by God that way.
---Mark_V. on 12/10/11


MarkV "a special touch" is only saying God touched a person a different or greater way than he usually does to meet a need in that persons life. They didn't get something special from God that no one else has gotten or can get from God. God will give any of his people a "special touch" whether it be healing,leading,supply our needs,strength,or even help on a test. Ask and you shall receive,knock and it shall be opened unto you,seek and you shall find. I was saved and prayed for HG at 11,but God didn't fill me with HG and tongues until 22 years old. Luke 11:13 If you then being evil,know how to give good gifts unto your children,how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that "ask" him.
---Darlene_1 on 12/9/11


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The Gift of the Baptism of the Holy Ghost with tongues and later Gifts of the Spirit that God chooses to use a person in doesn't make for a position to make one better than others not so empowered. It makes those a servant to all Gods people and a vessel at Gods command. One knows they are not the source of whatever is done, but it is all God's ministry and his works. The more one understands their weakness and God's power the more humble they should be. There is no room in God's Kingdom for anyone who gets puffed up in what "they" do for God when all the Glory belongs to God,and God will bring those who do that down. God wants a warrior in the trenches not a Commanding General.
---Darlene_1 on 12/8/11


MarkV I know,thank you,I care about you and your family too. "Gibberish" may sound that way but since there're over 5000 living languages and many more dead ones not used anymore plus the language of Angels there's no way any person on earth can know its only gibberish because no one knows all those languages. Ephesians 1:4-God seals us and gives us the Spirit in our hearts. when we repent we receive Jesus,God,and the Holy Spirit in our hearts but the Gift of the Baptism fills our entire being with God's empowerment for service. I know from being forgiven/saved at 11 years old,asking for the HS with tongues but not receiving Him until I was 22 years old. Having the gift of the Baptism of HG and tongues is a humbling experience to me.
---Darlene_1 on 12/7/11


Darline, you know I love you and what I say is not to hurt your feelings. When I answered it was because we are not told a special touch by God happens to a few. We are all touched by God spiritually. There is no partuality in the body of Christ. We are all the same with different gifts. That is why I'm against "a tongue" which means gibberish, and anything special that others don't have. That only brings pride. I can do and you cannot thinking. And if someone cannot, they don't have faith, which is completely wrong since everyone who is born of the Spirit has faith. If a person is born of the Spirit, he receives the Holy Spirit. If He is not real enough then that is a real bad problem. That was all, peace.
---Mark_V. on 12/3/11


\\No Cluny if that's the power of God doesn't have to be determined,it's already known by those who aren't afraid to seek more from God.\\

This is my point. Such people merely ASSUME it's from God.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/3/11


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There are a few in our community who believe they've been touched by God!


Most refer to them as being a "little tetched in the hayed" and give them a wide berth!
---1st_cliff on 12/2/11


No Cluny if that's the power of God doesn't have to be determined,it's already known by those who aren't afraid to seek more from God. With the power of God comes responsibility and part of that is being equiped to know the real from the fake. There are some fanatics in the Penetcostal Church but that holds true for all denominations. The percentage of those are small in all of them. MarkV a special touch is nothing but anointing of God resting on a person for some need they have. Elder to say you haven't met a woman slain in the spirit who stays sexually pure is so untrue about the majority and plants a false impression about all. Prejudice comes form lack of knowledge or brainwashing but meanspirited statements from a lack of love.
---Darlene_1 on 12/2/11


"Preachers walking across the tops of pews from the front of church and back without falling."
Well, I saw a guy ride a bicycle across a wire rope without falling. Then there was one fellow who was on a swing hanging by his hands. As he swung back and forth he let go, flipped three times in the air and caught onto a swing on the other side.
If I knew there were performances going on like this in a church I would have kept my $15.00 entrance fee. And just think.... no elephant poo.....
---Elder on 12/2/11


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Being Slain in the spirit Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

This has no significance what so ever there is no reason for the spirit to slay anyone. I have one mission for this slaying in the spirit thing how come after being slayed which is suggest something sinister how come the hospitals don't send people to get slayed? THERE IS NO SPIRITUAL OR PHYSICAL EVIDENCE TO SAY THIS HAS ANY POWER TO OVER COME SAVE REPROVE REBUKE, LOVE, GIVE CHARITY SPIRITUALLY ALIGN ANYONE.

IT IS A FALSE TEACHING.
---Carla on 12/2/11


\\Preachers walking across the tops of pews from the front of church and back without falling.\\

Oh, my!

Such a display would certainly move me to seek deeper holiness and the prayer life.

\\People dancing all around the church with their eyes closed without hitting someone (dancing in the spirit)\\

This is seen in a sect of mahmetanism called Sufism or "whirling dervishes."

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/2/11


As a child, 50+ years ago I recall old-time pentecostalism as these people are wanting to come back. Preachers walking across the tops of pews from the front of church and back without falling. People dancing all around the church with their eyes closed without hitting someone (dancing in the spirit). These are just some of the things that happened in the services where "flim-flam" preachers hyped-up the peoples' spirits and called it the Holy Ghost.
---KarenD on 12/1/11


Cluny:

There is frequently the presumption that one who is given the power of God necessarily has to hold 100% correct doctrines. That was not even true in the New Testament - even Peter and Paul themselves had disagreements with each other over doctrinal matters.
---StrongAxe on 12/1/11


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\\Cluny:

Where do you find "Vladimir's Axiom"? Google finds only 3 instances of it anywhere, all of them are other posts by you on these blogs on this subject.
---StrongAxe on 12/1/11\\

I named it such after my father.

There are others: Leroy Zemke, Sidney Rigdon,....

Related cases: Mary Baker Eddy, who was subjected to seizures followed by unconsciousness.

Helen Keller, who suffered a high fever as an infant, was unconscious for a while, then later embraced Swedenborgianism, a form of spiritism.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/1/11


I have to accept what Darlene has posted in that there can br counterfeit gifts, not from God but either from Satan or from man.

As to the so-called sign gifts, what verse of the Bible says they have ceased with the completion of the Bible? And if they were removed, who is to say that the Lord in these latter days can again give them to those who believe in Him?
---lee1538 on 12/1/11


Elder thank you for your input but I believe even the Baptist teach that Satan has a fake for God's real in order to deceive people. Christians who walk close to God discern the difference between the two and recognize when it is the Devil. I will read the Bible to see what that says.
---Darlene_1 on 12/1/11


\\I have never met anyone who "fell out under the power" of God who didn't still know what was going on around them\\

But is indeed the power of God?

That's what yet has to be determined.

And why do people who claim this experience still hold different doctrines?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/1/11


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Cluny //My father has noticed this happens a lot to most psychics, such as EGW, Edgar Cayce, Peter Hurkos, and others.
----
I was not familiar with Hurkos, so looked him up.

It always amazes me that some of prominent religious leaders believe psychics have gifts from God.

His Holiness, Pope Pius XII:
"I hope you will always use your God-given gift for the betterment of mankind... use it as an instrument to touch the people, to help them."

Unfortunately, the tares are among the wheat and all too often they are reflected in the leadership of churches.
---lee1538 on 12/1/11


Darlene_1, there are also cults, false ministers, false religious groups and even witches that practice this so called "gift."
The book you are looking for is I Cor where Paul had to correct the activities in the church. He explained very plainly when the Sign Gifts would end.
---Elder on 12/1/11


Cluny:

Where do you find "Vladimir's Axiom"? Google finds only 3 instances of it anywhere, all of them are other posts by you on these blogs on this subject.
---StrongAxe on 12/1/11


Cluny just for information sake Pentecost never stopped from the upper room to present day. It wasn't a denomination but there are Historical records of it in the RCC and other denominations. I have never met anyone who "fell out under the power" of God who didn't still know what was going on around them. Shira,please be careful,you are calling the Holy Ghost of God "demons",thats close to blaspheming the Holy Ghost. There are one half billion Pentecostals and Charismatics who speak in tongues plus Baptist,Roman Catholics,Episcopals,Church of England,Quakers and other denomintions who have members who speak in tongues. Please,Give chapter and verse where God ended Gift of HG with tongues.
---Darlene_1 on 12/1/11


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\\We often deal with older people who want to experience "old-time pentecostal" movements.\\

"Old-time penetecostalism" Is little more than 100 years old.

Orthodoxy, OTOH, is nearly 2,000.

Which is more "old time"?

**My pastor husband wants me to remind those who mention Saul being slain that he was also blinded.**

Saul was also perfectly conscious of what was going on around him during this whole Theophany. He didn't faint.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 11/30/11


\\Very good Lee & I agree! E. White likely suffered from traumatic brain injury that caused her to hallucinate.\\

My father has noticed this happens a lot to most psychics, such as EGW, Edgar Cayce, Peter Hurkos, and others.

They suffer a blow to the head followed by an extended period of unconsciousness during which the walk-in demon of divination walks in.

It's called "Vladimir's Axiom."

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 11/30/11


shira...I get the idea from the fact that my husband and I pastor a pentecostal church. Many times older people who were in pentecostal back in the old days want to bring back the nonsense from back then.
---KarenD on 11/30/11


If God is involved like some say why would anyone's skirt come up?
Paul/Saul was not slain in the spirit. He was knocked from his horse and blinded.
---Elder on 11/30/11


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where do you get the idea that older people want to experience penticostal experiences? Being slain in the spirit voodoo and demonic. I don't think I need that kind of excitement.










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---shira_4368 on 11/30/11


We often deal with older people who want to experience "old-time pentecostal" movements. This usually means being slain in the Spirit and other non-Biblical events. I have noticed that those who experience this event usually are the most vulnerable or easily led people. My pastor husband wants me to remind those who mention Saul being slain that he was also blinded.
---KarenD on 11/30/11


slain in the spirit the phenomenon, where the one about to be "slain" is backed up by a "catcher" or two, and if it is a woman, someone is there to cover them in case their skirt comes up. Sounds very Godly.
---michael_e on 11/30/11


\\Isn't being slain in the spirit supposed to be, according to its adherents, an edifying experience from (in, with) God?\\

There's no proof, Biblical, patristic, or otherwise, that this phenomenon is in fact from God.

It's just assumed to be so by people of very little discernment.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 11/30/11


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Cliff you are right on. Your opinion does count. I have dealt with this issue for years. Point is that people are trying to prove the Bible and God by their experiences. They need to prove their experiences by the Written Word of God.
I have never seen or counseled any women who have been "slain in the spirit" that did not have a corresponding inability to stay sexually pure. I am not saying there are not some, just that I have NEVER met any.
These gifts were "Sign" gifts until the completion of the Written Word. We now have a more sure word of our testimony revealed by the Bible. That is something that can't be faked. That is why businesses issue and sign contracts. Every word is established!
---Elder on 11/30/11


Very good Lee & I agree! E. White likely suffered from traumatic brain injury that caused her to hallucinate. Also, any group of people who put the beliefs & practices of certain individuals above the clear teachings of the Bible aren't led of the Holy Spirit. They're deceived by the devil.
---Leon on 11/30/11


"Would you that believe in this phenomena believe that it expresses God's love toward His children?"
Being that God's love is perfect and always pure it was expressed on the Cross at Calvary where God's only begotten Son was slain for mankind!!
---Elder on 11/30/11


Would you that believe in this phenomena believe that it expresses God's love toward His children?

I for one am wary of religious experiences as they all too often can be induced by our mind or be the result of a head injury or change in body chemistry.

I believe that Ellen White's visions were because of her head injury and the fact that she was caught up into an exotic religious movement.

Adventists ask us to compare their unique beliefs that have their origin in her with the Bible. I find that the Bible really does not support many of her views, some being actually contrary to the plain meaning of scripture.

Perhaps such experiences would benefit the Adventists on this forum.
---lee1538 on 11/30/11


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Aaaaa Cluny! Isn't being slain in the spirit supposed to be, according to its adherents, an edifying experience from (in, with) God? How does perilously falling into fire & water equate to a joyous encounter with God?
---Leon on 11/30/11


I would say there are people who have really been in the Holy Spirit, but there is faking by outwardly copy-catting lying or flopping on the floor. I have never gone out of my usual conscious experience, but I have been very specially and pleasantly and nicely in peace and just lying there appreciating God, but then getting the message that God wants me all the time to be specially sharing with Him in His peace, that the special blessing time needs to run over into all the time being submissive with our Father in His peace > Colossians 3:15.
---Bill_willa6989 on 11/30/11


The epileptic boy whom Jesus healed was always getting slain in the spirit, too.

He was freequently falling into the fire or into the water until Jesus drove out the demon.

That's the closest I've seen to "being slain in the spirit" in the Bible.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 11/30/11


An AOG friend of mine asked "guess what happened to me". As she was one that emphasized experiences, I immediately guessed being slain in the Spirit. She went on to say that she had previously regarded the experience as one who were more radical and emotional.

Another friends went to a priest who was doing this to a mass gathering and went thru the line twice and experienced it twice.

The experience, like tongues, does not seem to distinguish as to ones theology or religious beliefs. I would be inclined to believe that if an experience drives me more deeply into the Bible,it is legitimate.
---lee1538 on 11/30/11


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I also don't believe the concept of being "SLAIN in the spirit" is Bible authentic (genuine).

First, there really isn't any mention or demonstration of it in Scripture. Certainly, there as those who try to square-peg (eisegete) it into Scripture, e.g., Saul on the Damascus Road.

Secondly, this whole concept of God spiritually slaying people goes against the grain of the what entire Bible teaches/reveals. From Genesis-Revelation the overall mission of God has been (and is) to quicken (MAKE ALIVE AGAIN) our SIN SLAIN SPIRITS.
---Leon on 11/30/11


Blogger and Cliff, I agree with both of you very much after studying this subject for a long time. And this is the first time that I can remember where I disagree with the Mod's answer. A personal touch from God I never heard of, at least from Scripture. If born of the Spirit is not good enough, and the Spirit of Christ living in our hearts is not good enough, and each one is given different gifts and it not good enough, now the mod suggest that we can receive a special touch from God. This ideas come from the Word of Faith Movement. Blogger named some of many who teach that. What I do know is that the Ministry of the Holy Spirit change at Pentacost, He now indwells believers in a special way.
---Mark_V. on 11/30/11


I tend to agree with first Cliff in this one. Slain in the spirit is a sham stunt used by a lot of fake faith healers. Oral Roberts used to use it, Kenneth Copland used it, Benny Hinn does use it.

There is an excellent Internet article by Ex-Faith Healer Mark Haville who explains all the tricks of the Fake Faith Healing Trade.
---Blogger9211 on 11/29/11


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