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Earth Only 6,000 Years Old

Is true that the earth is only 6,000 years according to the Bible?

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Warwick, it doesn't matter which part of 2 Peter 3:8 is quoted, in whole or in part- it simply destroys your ridiculous fundamentalist theory. A pathetic childish theory in which you insist 'day' with a number must alway be 24 hours.

You are wrong, because at 2 Peter 3:8, the word 'day' is with the number 'one' and it doesn't mean a 24 hour period.

Also, can't you see you are contradicting yourself? You state the blindingly obvious- 'If God lives in time He then cannot be eternal'- so why do you continue to insist God's 6 creative 'days' must be 24 hours? Exodus 20:8-11 says nothing about the length of God's day, that is not what is being discussed in Exodus 20.
---David8318 on 12/6/11


Warwick, Somehow you just can't seem to separate Man's death from animal death!
Death as the last "enemy" is man's enemy, not animal.
Even Peter said they were created to be naturally destroyed!
Swatting flies and killing mosquitoes are you guilty of murder?? I don't feel a bit guilty of the big steak on the barbie! It was delicious!
Knee deep in rabbits, cats and dogs who never die??? Hello!!!!(any body home???)
Still in the "garden" God killed animals for clothes...
wasn't that a precedent for us???
---1st_cliff on 12/5/11


kathr4453:

A more literal Hebrew-to-English translation of the last half of Joshua 10:12 is
"in-the-day he-gave THE-LORD Amorites before sons [of] Israel and-he-said
to-eyes-of Israel: sun in Gibeon stand and-moon in-valley[-of] Ayyalon"
(stand is imperative here)

God (not Joshua) commanded the sun to stand motionless.

10:13-14 (KJV):
"And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed, until ... So the sun stood still in the midst of heaven, and hasted not to go down about a whole day.
And there was no day like that before it or after it
, ..."

It is clearly about the literal sun in the sky, not a metaphor for Israel.
---StrongAxe on 12/5/11


David, you persistently misquote 2 Peter 3:8 "But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day." The full quote shows that a day is the same as a thousand years to God, because He is eternal. He exists outside time, not living days of any length. God created time for man.

If God lives in time He then cannot be eternal as eternity is not a long time but a total lack of time, i.e. "existing outside all relations of time."

That you persistently supply a part quote blows your story out of the water.

A fundamentalist is but a Christian who holds to fundamental truths regarding Christianity.
---Warwick on 12/5/11


StrongAxe, that Joshua's long day was not an ordinary day is no surprize to anyone as the details of this 'day' are well explained in Scripture. This exception to the rule does not disprove the rule.

The reality is that the length of the days of creation is defined in Genesis ch. 1, and confirmed by Exodus 20:8-11. But you will not believe it. The creation days are so defined and nothing in Scripture applies a different length to them.

Any functioning person today knows what 6 days means. Only a somewhat deranged person would ask-How long are your 6 days? So why is it a problem in Scripture? Only because to accept this undermines peoples pet nonBiblical theories. See Colossians 2:8.
---Warwick on 12/5/11




If what I referred to are metaphors, then who's to say that the whole creation account in Genesis isn't a metaphor. You pick your metaphors, I'll pick mine. No one can be sure who's right. :)
---John.usa on 12/5/11


Eloy is one of the few people around here who makes any sense.
---John.usa on 12/5/11


David wrote, "The earth had been around a while before Adam was created. Gen.1:1 reveals the earth was created before the 6 creative 'days' began." I replied "Different to what David claims Genesis 1:1 says nothing about the earth being old." Misrepresentation?

The word 'rested' (Genesis 2:2) 'sabat' means cease or stop. Therefore as the 'Treasury of Scripture Knowledge' says this word does not convey weariness "as the Divine Being can neither know fatigue, nor stand in need of rest."

Exodus 20:8-11 shows God created in 6 24hr days and 'ceased' of His work on the 7th commanding His people do likewise. However man becomes weary so God carefully lists those who are to rest from their labours.
---Warwick on 12/5/11


Cliff "but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat of it you will surely die" Genesis 2:17. In this context, and without a number 'yom' means 'when' as it is rendered above, and elsewhere. This is akin to-In my father's day i.e. when my father was alive. I am sure you know my father lived more tan one day!

Where does Scripture say Methuselah lived just short of a 1,000 year 'yom'?

Cliff I do not know how many times I have given you the three meanings of 'day' but it has become boring. You argue for the sake of arguing rarely giving Scripture to support your scepticism. The JW's still own you.
---Warwick on 12/5/11


Lee, you are quick to call others 'fool." Remember when you point a finger at another 3 of your fingers are pointing back at you.

Once when visiting an assylum, in my work capacity, I saw a man squatting on a branch of a tree. As I passed by he said -you are mad. I found that reassuring. You calling me a fool also leaves me feeling assured.

Let us look at Exodus 20:11 "For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy."

Using Scripture or the rules of grammar tell me why this cannot be taken as written? If you believe it to be poetry, allegory, or metaphor etc please explain why.
---Warwick on 12/5/11




Cluny, Jesus created creation in 6 of his days, which would be 6000 years to us, for 1 day to God in heaven is equal to 1000 years to man on earth. Now we know that after Adam ate of the tree he lived for only 930 years of age and then died, for scripture tells us that 1000 years to man on earth is the same as 1 day to God in heaven: therefore according to God, Adam did not indeed live one full day because 930 years is less than 1000 years. Please read Genesis 1:1,26,31, Psalm 90:4, II Peter 3:8, Genesis 2:16,17, 5:5.
---Eloy on 12/5/11


1st Cliff, Not quite. April Fool's doesn't have anything to do with the Scripture nor with Christian holidays. The Bible reads that Abib, which is April, is the beginning of months (ref: Exodus 12:2+ Deuteronomy 16:1+ Esther 3:7. Hb:Eng= 1.Abib or Nisan:April, 2.Zif:May, 3.Siuan:June, 4.Tammuz:July, 5.Ab:August, 6.Elul:Septmeber, 7.Ethanim:October, 8.Bul:November, 9.Chisleu:December, 10.Tebeth:January, 11.Shebat:February, 12.Adar:March), and consider that God would not cause to spring from the earth, the green grass and the green herbs in the snow of winter. Thus according to the scripture, the world was created on the night of April 1st 10190 B.C.
---Eloy on 12/5/11


Oh don't you know Eloy was telling an April fools joke.

I believe months and years and seasons came after teh first 7 days.

There was no such animal as APRIL in the beginning!
---kathr4453 on 12/5/11


StrongAxe

The King James version says "Sun, stop THOU in Gibeon", etc. Making it appear as if Joshua was addressing the sun and the moon. This is a translation error. The word "thou" is not in the original hebrew.

What Joshua literally said
was "(The) Sun in Gibeon stopped, and (the) moon (is) in the valley or Ayalon." This is not a command to the SUN AND MOON, but rather to Joshua's OWN TROOPS.

Just as you find in Judges 4-5 " The Stars are in their coarse..referring to the 12 tribes of Israel before battle.

Just as you see in Revelation 12...the 12 Stars, Sun and Moon, referring to Jacob, Rachael and the 12 tribes of Israel.
---kathr4453 on 12/5/11


MAK- fundamentalists insist when 'day' appears with a number as in 'one day', it must refer to a 24 hour day.

2 Peter 3:8 however says, 'one day is with the Lord as a thousand years...' (KJV) This blows the fundamentalist rhetoric out the water because here 'day' is with the number 'one' and it doesn't refer to a 24 hour day.

Warwick will no doubt say 'Ah but 2 Peter 3:8 does not refer to creation'. That may be so, but neither do the 410 occurrences of 'day' Warwick raises in defence of his belief. Numbers chapter 7 has been used by Warwick in the past, but this is not referring to God's 'day' neither to creation.

'For a thousand years in your sight are like a day that has just gone by...'- Moses at Psalms 90:4 (NIV).
---David8318 on 12/5/11


Eloy, Both events took place on April 1st??
Is that how April fools day began?? just asking!
---1st_cliff on 12/5/11


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Cliff, the fossil record, which long-agers accept as a record of life and death over millions of years, also contains human remains, placing death of both before Adam's sin. This destroys the foundation of the gospel.

Just imagine all this death, disease and suffering-Nature red in tooth and claw-as it is described occurred for eons before God finished His creation and He said it was "very good." What an ogre God is! How can death be the last enemy (1 Corinthians 15:26) if it is what God used to create?
---Warwick on 12/5/11


John: 'Psalms 96 and 104 say the earth doesn't move. 1 Samuel 2 says the earth stands on pillars'

These are some of the sections that were written metaphorically......

It's something that we all, especially people here, need to remember about some of the Bible.
---Peter on 12/5/11


John, at least you are consistent. Consistently the BiblioSceptic, and wrong.

Recently a local man who died was a described as a pillar of our community. Was he made of masonry, not flesh?

At church we discuss the 'foundations' of our faith. Are these foundations bricks and mortar? Surely not?

Scripture does not say the earth doesn't move. You are being deceitful. Psalm says the earth is "established" (set in place) and cannot be moved. Can you or all the might of humanity move the earth from its course?

Regarding 1 Samuel 2:8 "For the foundations of the earth..." 'foundations' is the Hebrew 'masuq' which means support. Is not the earth, in fact the whole universe supported by gravity?
---Warwick on 12/5/11


kathr4453:

I just mentioned the day Joshua commanded the sun to stand still over Gibeon. That was from the Bible. So, the proposition that "all days are now, and have always been, the same length" is necessarily, and provably false, and cannot be used to defend the idea that all the creation days must have been 24 hours, because all other days were 24 hours (because not all of them were).

However, I have never maintained in these blogs that the creation days were definitely not 24 hours. I constantly just maintain that the Bible doesn't say anywhere how long they are, and Warwick keeps disagreeing.
---StrongAxe on 12/5/11


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MAK- no where have I said Genesis 1:1 tells us how old the earth is. Again, Warwick misrepresents me has he does the Bible. Genesis 1:1 simply points out the fact that the earth was in existence before the 6 creative 'days' began.

Notice Warwick says God, 'is eternal, therefore beyond time'. Yet Warwick insists God needed a 24 hour 'rest'. Contradictory fundamentalist nonsense. Warwick does not understand God's 'rest' and what it means for true Christians today- Warwick Pharisaically 'shuts the Kingdom of heaven in men's faces'- Mt.23:13, Heb.4:9,10.

Warwick also fails to understand the use of ordinal numbers in the 6 'day' creation account which lay emphasis on the order in which God created- not how long it took.
---David8318 on 12/5/11


\\The earth is very young, being no older than 122 centuries. The world was created on the night of April 1st 10190 B.C., and Adam the first man was created on Friday afternoon on April 1st in 4190 B.C.\\

What is yourm source for this information, Eloy?

Where did youm get it?

Or who told it to youm?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/5/11


It is true, MAK, that the world is just over 6000 years old according to the bible and other historical writings.
---micha9344 on 12/5/11


The earth is very young, being no older than 122 centuries. The world was created on the night of April 1st 10190 B.C., and Adam the first man was created on Friday afternoon on April 1st in 4190 B.C.
---Eloy on 12/5/11


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Warwick, You're comparing apples to oranges:
Man's death was brought about by Adam's sin before he had children , whether it was 24hrs. or 24 years it's the same result!
Creature death, which had no Bering on Adam's sin, is "normal" in their world given that some are carnivorous, have venom, like scorpions and snakes (why the rattles?) porupines etc. the praying mantis that kills her mate after conception , then prepares her own body to be eaten by her young upon their birth!
You believe that horns and antlers are just decoration???
Anteaters and ospreys don't eat grass!
---1st_cliff on 12/5/11


The notes in my King James Bible say the earth was created in 4004 BC. Psalms 96 and 104 say the earth doesn't move. 1 Samuel 2 says the earth stands on pillars. If all that's good enough for King James, it's good enough for us.
---John.usa on 12/4/11


Leon, those who promote long-ages before sin wittingly or unwittingly undermine the only foundation Scripture gives for why Jesus needed to die upon the cross.

You wrote "The Bible is all about God's plan of salvation in Jesus Christ, period!" True, and this plan is based solely upon Adam's sin bringing death into the world, as the NT says. The long-ages belief places death before sin-a critical point. If the NT is incorrect about this, can we trust it about anything?

God's word says Creation was "very good" when finished and that "The last enemy to be destroyed is death." How can Creation be very good, and death an enemy if death, disease and suffering were the order of the day before sin?
---Warwick on 12/5/11


Lee: "All you jokers believe in is your own interpretation of scripture ignoring the fact that Biblical expositors recognize other viewpoints. Your problem is simply narrow-mindedness."

How sweet. Thank you. I'm glad that you recognize that Warwick and I adhere to the Bible as our ONLY valid source of religious truth, rather than resorting to the man-made and blasphemous theories of "biblical expositors". You should also consider trusting god rather than some over-educated egghead.
---jerry6593 on 12/5/11


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Thank you Francis for answering StrongAxe statements.

Strongaxe, can you PROVE through science or Scripture that the time in a day actually CHANGED at some particular time in History?
---kathr4453 on 12/5/11


Warwick, By your own logic, God telling Adam, "in the day you eat.." not followed by a number means a different kind of "yom" Even Methuselah lived 31 years short of the thousand year "yom" (no one exceeded it) has some weight in a "yom' being 1,000 years!
So obviously a "yom" can exceed 24 hrs.(followed by a number is "rule-of-thumb)
410 times, you say?
The "soul" is written more than 800 times ,still the fundamentalists,your fellow believers,say it's immortal!(even though not once does it say so)
---1st_cliff on 12/5/11


Warwick //. I take Scripture as it is written unless there is a very good reason not to do so.

While you take somethings as literal, others do not and for good reason.

All that you have offered so far is opinions based upon what you want to believe, not interpretations held by various teachers of God's word.

As to opinions, you need consider Proverbs 18:2

"A fool takes no pleasure in understanding, but only in expressing his opinion".

You need not play the part of a fool but should realize that others view scripture in a much different light. The commentaries on the Bible will show you that other beliefs are defensible, some even more so than yours.
---lee1538 on 12/5/11


Think about this, not everything mention in Scripture is precise, some are, some are not. When the people died in the desert the number given was not exact to a single person. It was approximately. The same holds true for days and months. God was not intending to precisly give detail for detail. That was not the point. Second, a precise true day is not 24 hrs in a day, the reason we have a leap year. So even days are not exact.
---Mark_V. on 12/5/11


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Lee, as usual, you have it backwards. I take Scripture as it is written unless there is a very good reason not to do so. You reinterpret Scripture via nonBiblical views. Anything in Scripture, no matter how clear is rejected or reinterpreted beyond recognition if it contradicts your man-made philosophies.

Unlike you I do not proclaim myself an an academic or theologian but am confident I can match you intellectually or theologically. I have the distinct advantage as I trust God and His word.

I believe 2 Timothy 4:3 speaks to the likes of you "For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions."
---Warwick on 12/4/11


MAK, Scriptures genealogies show man was created thousands of years ago. Jesus said (Mark 10:6) man was made at the beginning of this creation in which we live. He is not saying man was made at the beginning of creation week. He should know, being Creator. Adding these two facts together we understand the whole of the creation is but thousands of years old.

Different to what David claims Genesis 1:1 says nothing about the earth being old.

David is a Jehovah's Witness activist, indoctrinated into antiBiblical thinking.

He is right about one thing-to God a day is like a thousand years and a thousand years like a day, i.e. He is eternal, therefore beyond time. Genesis ch. 1 shows God created time for man, not Himself.
---Warwick on 12/4/11


John 11:9 Jesus answered, Are there not TWELVE HOURS in the day? If any man walk in the day, he stumbleth not, because he seeth the light of this world.

Jesus knew that the daylight was 12 hours and the night was 12 hours giving 24 hour days
---francis on 12/4/11


StrongAxe, 'day' is used with a number in Genesis 1. It is used with a number 410 times outside of Genesis and it always means an ordinary day. See Numbers 11-78.

'Evening' and 'morning' are used together without 'day' 38 times outside Genesis 1 and it always indicates an ordinary day.

'Evening' or 'morning' are used 23 times each with 'day' outside Genesis 1 and it always means an ordinary day. And 'night' is used with 'day' 52 times and it always indicates an ordinary 24hr dayday.

A day is sunset to sunset? I think you meant sunrise to sunset which is a day, as in daylight, but never a 24hr day.

Joshua's long-day was still an earth-rotation day, but obviously not 2hrs or like any other 'day.'
---Warwick on 12/4/11


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"...'does it really matter in God's greater plan of salvation?'
I took it that you were referring to the above question which MAK posed. Therefore I asked 'point me to the Scripture which says man decides what really matters...' If you didn't mean that...what did you mean?
---Warwick on 12/3/11"


Somehow you read into my comment something far from what I meant. I was agreeing with Cliff about the tediousness of MAK's question. In my opinion, squabbling about the age of the earth is majoring in the minors, i.e., a mind-numbing,fruitless waste of precious time spent hopping down a deadend bunny trail. The Bible is all about God's plan of salvation in Jesus Christ, period!
---Leon on 12/4/11


Cliff, similar to Lee you struggle to comprehend simple language.

Considering 'day':

"I spent the 'day' gardening." Most would comprehend I spent the daylight or most of it gardening.

"In my father's 'day.'" Did he live only 1 day? Different translations render the Hebrew 'yom' as either 'day' or 'when' the translators knowing 24hr day was not meant.

When we couple 'day' with a number, we exclusively mean 24hr day. 'Day' is used with a number in Genesis 1. It is used with a number 410 times outside of Genesis and it always means an ordinary day!

So simple, just like me!
---Warwick on 12/4/11


Cliff, we do not find such things pre-flood because God said "I will wipe mankind....from the face of the earth. When we look at 2 Peter 3:6 we see "By these waters also the world of that time was deluged and destroyed." 'World' is a translation of the Greek 'kosmos' which means the whole globe and its human affairs-all gone and you wonder why archaeologists can't find Adam's note pad!.

BTW you evade making a relevant comment about Genesis 19:24 "Then the LORD rained on Sodom and Gomorrah sulfur and fire from the LORD out of heaven." If it was meant to convey that the Lord in heaven alone did this why does it say the Lord rained down sulphur and fire from the Lord out of Heaven? Why the second use of Lord?
---Warwick on 12/4/11


MAK- no the Bible doesn't teach the earth is 6000 years old. However, the Bible does teach that Adam was created around 6000 years ago.

Genealogical and chronological info in Genesis and Exodus show 7 overlapping generations from Adam to Moses. We know the precise year and day when Moses led Israel out of Egypt- 'Passover' 1513BCE. Thus we can calculate Adam was created 4025BCE, just over 6000 years ago.

The earth had been around a while before Adam was created. Gen.1:1 reveals the earth was created before the 6 creative 'days' began.

Moses, was also inspired by Jehovah to write regarding His creative activity, 'For a thousand years in your sight are like a day that has just gone by'- Psalms 90:4 (NIV).
---David8318 on 12/4/11


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kathr4453:

You said: ... and all refer to a 24 hour period

Nowhere in the Bible is the phrase "24 hour" (or anything remotely similar) mentioned with respect to the length of a day. We all assume this, because most days (including all of the ones we experience) happen to be 24 hours long, but that is an observable phenomenon, not the definition of a day. The Bible frequently DOES define a day - from sunset to sunset.

There was one very particular day, mentioned in Joshua 10:10-14, where Joshua commanded the sun to stand still, and the day was about twice as long as usual.
---StrongAxe on 12/4/11


Kath your Biblical accuracy and logic will convince the open-minded but will be ignored by those who consider themselves our theological/academic superiors. They march to a different drum. For example note Lee's comments.
---Warwick on 12/4/11


The 6,000-year theory is just that: a theory.

The hebrews were to farm their land 6 years and on the 7th let the land have a sabbath

Well Jesus says Hes coming to harvest the world in Revelation, and theres a number of analogies that really give a lot of posibility to the idea that, after 6,000, Christ is going to come, then a 1,000-year Sabbath, then He makes a new heaven and a new earth.

In the book of genesis, God said he works 6 days and rested the 7th.
In Exodus God commanded that man work six days and rest the 7th

So this is the basis on the 6000 year theory: Work 6 rest the 7th.

It does sound good
---francis on 12/4/11


kathr4453 //For all we know God could have finished the first day in a split second. One of our days to God could also be as a second to Him as well.

Agree! God SPOKE the world and everything in it into existence, He did have to wait 24 hours per event.

Warwick / Jerry - as to your qualifications, I have yet to see anything from either of you that would resemble an intelligent discussion. All you jokers believe in is your own interpretation of scripture ignoring the fact that Biblical expositors recognize other viewpoints. Your problem is simply narrow-mindedness.

As to the creation days being less or more than 24 hours, my position has always been that the Bible does not tell us. Nowhere did I express a belief otherwise.
---lee1538 on 12/4/11


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Leon, **People of all different colors (hues) need to be shown love and respect**
Oh Leon you're so cute!
I dunno, do we really need to know how old the ground we walk on is?
Archaeologists find absolutely no evidence of writing pre-flood! Do we assume they did? What else can we assume?
Adam lived 930 years,just shy of a thousand,right?, God said "in the "day" you eat of it you will surely die"So he died within the thousand year "day" "A thousand years is as one day" is this a clue Warwick?
---1st_cliff on 12/4/11


Lee, you have no idea of my qualifications or the qualifications of those to whom I listen, and read. Nonetheless one does not need anything other than a little Bible knowledge to understand that some of your views are not from Scripture.
---Warwick on 12/4/11


Lee: "While most of us truly trust the Bible, it is your unique and often non-traditional interpretation that is really in question."

I think your degree must be in comedy!

I believe God's Word exactly as it reads. Take Exo 20:11, for example. I believe God when He wrote that He created the heaven and earth in six days and established the seventh day as the Sabbath at the time of creation. You believe that the first 3 days were long ages and that God only meant the Sabbath for Jews.

Now, be honest. Whose is the "unique and non-traditional interpretation"?
---jerry6593 on 12/4/11


Scripture uses the word for DAY and the same word for 40 days or 7 days or 6 days is all the same word, STRONGS: YOWM, and all refer to a 24 hour period. God called the first day DAY, just as Adam called a cow a cow. For all we know God could have finished the first day in a split second. One of our days to God could also be as a second to Him as well.

Jesus rose on the third day...not 3000 years later. He was tested 40 Days not 40,000 years. It rained 40 days, not 40,000 years. SO if you want each day to be a 1000 years, then you have to believe it rained 40,000 years.

God gave US a time clock, not Himself. God Didn't need one before us.
---kathr4453 on 12/4/11


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Leon you wrote " does it really matter in God's greater plan of salvation?"

I took it that you were referring to the above question which MAK posed. Therefore I asked "point me to the Scriprure which says man decides what really matters "in God's greater plan of salvation."

If you didn't mean that we can decide what is important or not in God's word, what did you mean?
---Warwick on 12/3/11


Leon. If you choke a Smurf , what color will he turn???
---1st_cliff on 12/2/11


If they really existed, I'd never choke a smurf. Would you??? People of all different colors (hues) need to shown love & respect.

Leon, point me to the Scriprure which says man decides what really matters "in God's greater plan of salvation."
---Warwick on 12/2/11


What are you talking about? Do you need a moment to regroup your thoughts? Apparently, you've gotten something twisted (in a bunch). :)
---Leon on 12/3/11


//Bingo! I think trust is indeed the issue. Those who do not have a working knowledge of the Bible or a personal relationship with Jesus have not developed that trust.

While most of us truly trust the Bible, it is your unique and often non-traditional interpretation that is really in question.

Sorry but neither of you guys have degrees in theology nor have either of you been called into the ministry of teaching,worst yet both of you legalists types belong to most Christians veiw as cults.

As such, neither of you has God or His word in your hippocket.

Sorry but that is clear to those who are more studied than either of you guys are.
---lee1538 on 12/3/11


---StrongAxe on 12/1/11
Very good question as always
I myself have done this calculation, and well as others
Start with Genesis 5:3 And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, after his image, and called his name Seth: Then Genesis 5:6 And Seth lived an hundred and five years, and begat Enos:
So when Enos was born the earth was about 130+105~ 235 years old.
and so on..
~400 years in egypt...
40 years in the wilderness..
Then the reign of all the judges and all the kings, then the captivity which lasted 70 years. ( also use the length fo time each kingdom existed) then the age of each klingdom after captivity ( reign of pagan kings) until now
It is more than 7000 years
---francis on 12/3/11


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Rhonda: 'According to Holy Scripture the earth is millions of years old'
Actually, I COMPLETELY RESPECT your interpretation, but I PERSONALY feel that Genesis 1 and 2 does not DEFINITELY state either old or new world.

Rhona, If I am making a mistake, PLEASE enlighten me
*****

I did "enlighten you" by sharing Holy Scripture

YOU CHOSE to reject and dismiss so your enlightenment ends with your OWN interpretation apart from Holy Scripture because you do not study Holy Scripture for a topic you read it like a book ... leaving YOU with belief you are "respecting" my thoughts that are NOT MINE because I am simply the messenger SHARING a topic firmly supported WITH many passages in Holy Scripture
---Rhonda on 12/3/11


Warwick: "It all comes down to whom do you trust, the Creator or man!"

Bingo! I think trust is indeed the issue. Those who do not have a working knowledge of the Bible or a personal relationship with Jesus have not developed that trust. They instead seek out "experts" like Rhymer for their religion and Dalrymple for their science, when they are not sufficiently versed in either the Bible or science to validate either. They are just looking for comfort in their little self-satisfying universe by finding some "expert" to agree with their distorted view of reality. How empty!
---jerry6593 on 12/3/11


I thought we learned a long time ago (Darwin days) that we should pay more attention to the "Rock of Ages" than the "age of rocks"!
BTW last summer we had a stage show here called "Rock of Ages" about rock music,,I thought it was ,if not sacrilegious at least "Tacky"
---1st_cliff on 12/3/11


\\The age of our Solar System is 4.54 billion years\\

It's not something I stay up at night pondering.

The Bible gives the spiritual meaning of some historical events, and by extension, scientific statements, showing God's providence through it all, and ultimately the big picture It does not speak definitively on either, much less details.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/3/11


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You are an entertaining fellow Blogger. You denigrate God's word deeming it historically untrustworthy (though Jesus says it is trustworthy) then call me a blasphemer. I trust you will not be insulted when I say criticism from BiblioSceptics such as you is sweet music to my ears!

BTW Blogger where in Scripture do we find your peculiar version of what the Bible was intended for? Not in Scripture? Surprize, surprize!
---Warwick on 12/2/11


Well Warwick, you have certainly have the flair for blasphemy, and prostituting scripture out of context for you own personal desires. But you seem to lack the intellect to discern between Tribal stories and factual Hebrew Biblical history that starts Genius Chapter 12. You really need to get and study a copy and diligently study the Bible in Order by Joseph Rhymer, Doubleday 1975 ISBN: 0-385-11062-6. Rhymer is a specialist in Biblical Linguistics and Bible chronology and know a whole lot more about manuscript chronology then you do Warwick. But you likely will not as you enjoy in being a biblically incompetent hoses posterior too much. If you use the Bible for what it was intended for it is a highly beneficial tool otherwise misinformation.
---Blogger9211 on 12/2/11


Leon, point me to the Scriprure which says man decides what really matters "in God's greater plan of salvation."
---Warwick on 12/2/11


I am so tired of people trying to push issues that are not possible.
Cliff everyone knows you can't choke a Smurf. The only thing you can do is dip him in cherry Cool-aid and confuse his friends.
Boy... when will some people ever learn!!??
---Elder on 12/2/11


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Lee, whenever you comment upon Genesis your antiBiblical long-ages/evolutionary beliefs cause you to waffle on about what could be, but never quote Scripture because no Scripture supports your views. Only the opposite.

Scripture supports 6 24hr creation with man created on day 6. Jesus does not say man was made at the beginning of creation week but at the beginning of this creation in which we live. God's word gives us a timeline of thousands of years between Adam and Jesus. Therefore by deduction (from God's word as opposed to the non-Biblical changing speculations of man) we know there were no millions of years before Adam.

It all comes down to whom do you trust, the Creator or man!
---Warwick on 12/2/11


Leon. If you choke a Smurf , what color will he turn???
---1st_cliff on 12/2/11


Blogger Jesus said man was made at Creation's beginning (Mark 10:6) not billions of years later. Jesus says if we do not believe what He says about earthly things how can we believe Him regarding heavenly things John 3:12.

How can you therefore say Scripture "is good for answer about Theology" if it is not also true about earthly things?

Matthew 15:19 "in vain do they worship me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.

Isaiah 29:13 'The Lord says: "These people come near to me with their mouth and honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. Their worship of me is made up only of rules taught by men.'

The age of the earth you believe is based upon untestable assumptons.
---Warwick on 12/2/11


First day > There was the earth, and "God said, 'Let there be light', and there was light."
Second day > There was a firmament that "divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament".
Day three > The waters "under" were gathered into "Seas".
That left all that water above for the Flood which could have cooled the earth a lot. And then there would be cold seasons, once that water buffer was not up there.
Scientists don't know what happened. Sin entering the world changed things, but "the creation itself will also be delivered into the glorious liberty of the children of God." (in Romans 8:21)
---Bill_willa6989 on 12/2/11


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Cliff: This is one of those repetitive, mind-numbing questions that gives me the blues also. I agree with you ~ does it really matter in God's greater plan of salvation?

By the way, I really like those guys in the Blue Man Group. They've performed worldwide since being formed in 1987. Just maybe, if MAK asked them his question...:)
---Leon on 12/2/11


The age of our Solar System is 4.54 billion years with a with an uncertainty of less than 1 percent. If you want to know more USGS recommends The Age of the Earth by G. Brent Dalrymple, 1991, 492 pp. illus., ISBN: 9780804715690 Cloth $95, ISBN: 9780804723312
Paper $38.95, STANFORD UNIVERSITY PRESS.
The Bible is good for answer about Theology and really bad about providing valid answers questions of scientific inquiry. You would not look in the Bible to find out last night's football scores you would use the sports section of today's news paper. Use the right tool to answer the question and you will be a better informed Christian in the long run.
---Blogger9211 on 12/2/11


francis:

You said: It is actually older than that 7-9000 years old.

The idea of a 6000-year-old earh comes from chronologies like Bishop Ussher's that, using various times mentioned in the Old Testament, set Adam's creation at 4004 BC, with the earth's creation just a few days earlier.

What biblical justification can you find for 7000-9000 years?
---StrongAxe on 12/1/11


Is true that the earth is only 6,000 years according to the Bible?
---MAK on 11/30/11

It is actually older than that 7-9000 years old.

the idea of 6000 come from the idea of 7.
meaning that the 7 is the number of rest. that after 6000 years the 7000th would be the second coming/ rest
Good idea but not biblical or doctrinal
---francis on 12/1/11


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Rhonda: "According to Holy Scripture the earth is millions of years old."

Not according to my KJV Bible.

Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is,

Heb 11:3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.

Psa 33:9 For he spake, and it was done, he commanded, and it stood fast.
---jerry6593 on 12/1/11


\\Psalms 104:30 You send forth Your Spiritand You renewed the face of the earth\\

It does not say "renewed" in the past tense, but "renew" in the present tense.

You also misquoted the verse. The second clause is, "and they are created." There are three clauses in this compound sentence.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/1/11


Mak, the questions Lee ask are legit. How I understand this is that when God said, let there be light, there was light. It did not originated from something. When He created man, He didn't create him an baby, but an adult. When He created the stars, He spoke and they were there. It didn't take the light of the stars to reach earth thousands of years, it was there. Just as He created them. He did not create the animals from the seed of another animal, for that seed would have had to come from somewhere. He spoke and it was done. So to me age and time means nothing to God. When some scientist checks the fossils, to them it had to take millions of years, but to God He spoke and it was done just the way they are. My opinion.
---Mark_V. on 12/1/11


Mak, Does it "really" matter??
I've argued this 'till I'm blue in the face....now I look like one of those blue guys on TV.
Except for bad weather, I like it here just fine!!
---1st_cliff on 11/30/11


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Rhonda: 'According to Holy Scripture the earth is millions of years old'
Actually, I COMPLETELY RESPECT your interpretation, but I PERSONALY feel that Genesis 1 and 2 does not DEFINITELY state either old or new world.

Rhona, If I am making a mistake, PLEASE enlighten me
---Peter on 11/30/11


From the first chapters, it is stated that creation ended 6000 years ago.

The first chapter, Genesis 1, is taken by most, myself included, to imply the creation took 168 hours (7 days). Some people disagree, and I don't want to argue with there.

I know they are true, believing, Christians, so I respect their views as I expect them to respect mine

Blessings
---Peter on 11/30/11


Ussher's dates are based on when man was on earth, he arrived at the conclusion by tracing Biblical generations.

However, while we may (or may not) surmise that man was on earth for 6,000 years, there is really nothing in our knowledge base that can determine the age of the earth. It could have been spinning around for trillions of years before God begin the Creation.

Also we note that the first 3 days of creation could well have been thousands of years simply because the sun was not created until the 4th day and our day is based on the sun.

And what do we do with fossils of pre-historic animals which show by tests that they lived millions of years ago? Thus the conflict with scientists and the religionists.
---lee1538 on 11/30/11


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