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Moral law conceptually deals with relationships between human beings. ---lee1538 on 12/9/11

Well here is some news for you, It also deal withour relationship with God

Matthew 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.

Matthew 22:38 This is the first and great commandment.

Matthew 22:39 And the second [is] like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Ever wonder why the first is not LOVE THY NEIGHBOUR AS THYSELF?
---francis on 12/9/11


--christan this is a question to understand you better.
Are you saying of I do these,

Exodus 20:3 have no other gods before me.
Exodus 20:4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, shalt not bow down thyself to them,
Exodus 20:7 Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain,
Exodus 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Exodus 20:12 Honour thy father and thy mother:
Exodus 20:13 Thou shalt not kill.
Exodus 20:14 Thou shalt not commit adultery.
Exodus 20:15 Thou shalt not steal.
Exodus 20:16 Thou shalt not bear false witness
Exodus 20:17 Thou shalt not covet

I trample of God's grace?

Or if i do 9/10 I am in grace but 10/10 tramples on grace?
---francis on 12/9/11


//MORAL OBLIGATION TO GOD/ LOVE THE LORD...
MORAL OBLIGATION TO NEIGHBOUR/ LOVE THY NEIGHBOUR.

The Sabbath commandment is NOT a moral law but a mere sign of the covenant God made ONLY with Israel (Exodus 31:13)

Moral law conceptually deals with relationships between human beings. As such we read in Romans 2:14f that even the Gentiles who followed their conscience fulfilled the law and they did not even know anything of the Jewish Sabbath.

Can one do anything else except to conclude your reasoning is faulty?
---lee1538 on 12/9/11


What does the Sabbath commandment have to do with love of neighbor? ---lee1538 on 12/9/11

MORAL OBLIGATION TO GOD/ LOVE THE LORD
Exodus 20:3 have no other gods before me.
Exodus 20:4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, shalt not bow down thyself to them,
Exodus 20:7 Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain,
Exodus 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.

MORAL OBLIGATION TO NEIGHBOUR/ LOVE THY NEIGHBOUR
Exodus 20:12 Honour thy father and thy mother:
Exodus 20:13 Thou shalt not kill.
Exodus 20:14 Thou shalt not commit adultery.
Exodus 20:15 Thou shalt not steal.
Exodus 20:16 Thou shalt not bear false witness
Exodus 20:17 Thou shalt not covet
---francis on 12/9/11


francis, just because I agree with lee with what he said about, "According to your line of reasoning, one should also be circumcised since Jesus was. The fact that Jews met in the synagogue on the OT sabbath does not mean Christians must also do so."

it does not mean I advocate such an attitude "that christians should live thier lives with no regard and no obedience to these commandments". For if one have such an attitude I will tell you, you are not saved. Just because you hate the idea of election by grace, you assume that those saved by grace will have such an attitude. Far be from your perverted mind.

For no child of God will trample on His grace like you accuse them of doing.
---christan on 12/9/11




christan if you agree with leej then you agree that christians should live thier lives with regard to the fulfillment of the law.

Romans 13:9f The commandments, You shall not commit adultery, not murder, not steal, not covet, and any other commandment, are summed up in this word: You shall love your neighbor as yourself....therefore love is the fulfilling of the law

if Adventists had any good sense, they would realize I could beat the tar out of them and not violate any of the 10 commandments as long as I did not kill any of them.

What does the Sabbath commandment have to do with love of neighbor? If you answered nothing, you got the right answer.
---lee1538 on 12/9/11


christan if you agree with jeej then you agree that christians should live thier lives with no regard and no obedience to these commandments:

Exodus 20:3 have no other gods before me.
Exodus 20:4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, shalt not bow down thyself to them,
Exodus 20:7 Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain,
Exodus 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Exodus 20:12 Honour thy father and thy mother:
Exodus 20:13 Thou shalt not kill.
Exodus 20:14 Thou shalt not commit adultery.
Exodus 20:15 Thou shalt not steal.
Exodus 20:16 Thou shalt not bear false witness
Exodus 20:17 Thou shalt not covet

Is that what you really want to agree with?
---francis on 12/8/11


francis, speaking with respect to you. Maybe you and the SDA's don't say that Christ sacrifice was not good enough, but it has to be otherwise you think you are Holy as God.
Because, the only other conclusion would be that the reason you give all the passages of the law is that you believe you are now holy as God, and others who are not SDA's are not.
Here is why, God gave us all those passages of the law because He is a Holy God who is without sin. You give them to us as if you are Holy as God, when you are a sinner yourself. Now, you might think you are holy because you do Saturday Sabbath, but doing Saturday Sabbath makes no one holy. You are not God to throw the law at anyone. None of you are.
---Mark_V. on 12/9/11


francis, I agree with lee and reading the many replies of yours, I am truly reminded of Paul's experience with the Galatians. And true to the Word of God, the spirit of the Galatians are indeed alive and well today. If you believe that by not obeying God's law one will loose his salvation, you are indeed walking in deception. Even then, it's been predestined by God.

God's will be done on earth as in heaven.
---christan on 12/8/11


Luke 2:21 And when eight days were accomplished for the circumcising of the child,
---lee1538 on 12/8/11

Sorry lEEJ but everything that happened BEFORE the cross happened under the OLD COVENANT.

Since the law was NOT given until some 400 years after Abraham (Galatians 3:17), it is likely he did not observe the Sabbath law.
---lee1538 on 12/8/11
You do not understand this passage

All ten commandments are also in genesis:
Genesis 2:3 SABBATH And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it:
Genesis 9:24 DISHOURNING PARENTS And Noah awoke from his wine, and knew what his younger son had done unto him.
Genesis 4:8 MURDER Cain rose up against Abel his brother, and slew him
---francis on 12/8/11




francis //Here are a few of the Lord commandments in the New testament BY COMMAND AND EXAMPLE:

Ephesians 4:28 Let him that stole steal no more:...
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Acts 13:44 And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.
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You forgot one that has about the same rationale-

Luke 2:21 And when eight days were accomplished for the circumcising of the child, his name was called JESUS, which was so named of the angel before he was conceived in the womb.

According to your line of reasoning, one should also be circumcised since Jesus was.

The fact that Jews met in the synagogue on the OT sabbath does not mean Christians must also do so.


---lee1538 on 12/8/11


Francis //Genesis 26:5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.

Since the law was NOT given until some 400 years after Abraham (Galatians 3:17), it is likely he did not observe the Sabbath law.

I would challenge you to find any good commentary that would state Abraham observed laws that were later given only to Moses.

//It is very obvious to me that Jesus is not your example.

Certainly not because I am not a proselyte to Judaism but a Gentile Christian believer justified by faith in Christ.

As to whether I have chosen to be liar, probably no more than you or Warwick.

Sorry you are unable to convert Christians to Adventism.
---lee1538 on 12/8/11


"They are clearly stating that the Works of Christ were not sufficient to save anyone. ---Mark_V. on 12/8/11
Where did you EVER see any SDA say that?

Here are a few of the Lord commandments in the New testament BY COMMAND AND EXAMPLE:
Ephesians 4:28 Let him that stole steal no more:
Colossians 3:9 Lie not one to another
Ephesians 6:2 Honour thy father and mother,
2 Timothy 2:22 Flee also youthful lusts:
Hebrews 13:4 adulterers God will judge.
2 Corinthians 6:17 touch not the unclean thing
1 John 5:21 keep yourselves from idols
1 Timothy 6:1 that the name of God be not blasphemed.
Acts 13:44 And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.
---francis on 12/8/11


Chria, you are correct, no one can be holy. We are called to be holy, to give our best to be holy. God would never ask us not to be holy. Or to go ahead a sin a little. To be holy and sin not are goals that were set for us.
Here is what I see francis and all SDA's who promote works of the Law. "They are clearly stating that the Works of Christ were not sufficient to say anyone. That they good enough if man contributes his own works."
It is no difference then the doctrines of the RCC. Yes, saved by grace, but only if you do certain good works. It is a salvation of works, which saves no one. The same one the Pharisees believed in. No different.
---Mark_V. on 12/8/11


lee1538 on 12/8/11
Genesis 26:5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.

ABRAHAM knew STATUES, LAWS, AND COMMANDMENTS OF GOD, and you do not think that Job did?
Noah knew clean from unclean meats and you think Job did not


In saying that you use Jesus as an Example you are confirming what I stated.
---lee1538 on 12/8/11
I have already corected that with SDA belief #10. You choose to read only part of it.
Your choice to be a liar.
It is very obvious to me that Jesus is not your example.
But to those of us SDA's JESUS IS our example in all things spiritual
1 Corinthians 11:1 Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ.
---francis on 12/8/11


//Job 1:1 There was a man in the land of Uz, whose name was Job, and that man was perfect and upright, and one that feared God, and eschewed evil.

But Job lived long before the law was given on Mt. Sinai. And that being true, he certainly did not observe the Sabbath or the dietary laws as such were not even heard of prior to the time of Moses.

Perhaps Job was righteous in the eyes of God primarily because of his charity toward others, not his obedience to laws.
---lee1538 on 12/8/11


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Francis //10 SalvationLed by the Holy Spirit we sense our need acknowledge our sinfulness, repent of our transgressions, & exercise faith in Jesus as Lord and Christ, as Substitute and Example.

Lee//Adventists believe (correct me if I am wrong) that since Jesus attained righteous perfection via the law, we also can do so and qualify for salvation.

In saying that you use Jesus as an Example you are confirming what I stated.

As Jesus was a Jew and attained to righteous perfection via the law, Adventists claim they also should do so in following that example.

Sorry Francis but I have come to know the Adventist demon very well and can see the multitude of contradictions.
---lee1538 on 12/8/11


what makes these men any different from you and me, that we should think we annot do what is lawful and right?

Job 1:1 There was a man in the land of Uz, whose name was Job, and that man was perfect and upright, and one that feared God, and eschewed evil.

1 Kings 15:5 David did that which was right in the eyes of the LORD, and turned not aside from any thing that he commanded him all the days of his life, save only in the matter of Uriah the Hittite.

1 Kings 15:11 And Asa did that which was right in the eyes of the LORD, as did David his father.

2 Kings 15:34 And he did that which was right in the sight of the LORD: he did according to all that his father Uzziah had done.

---francis on 12/8/11


correct me if I am wrong---lee1538 on 12/8/11
You are wrong.

10. Salvation
God made Christ, who knew no sin, to be sin for us, so that in Him we might be made the righteousness of God. Led by the Holy Spirit we sense our need, acknowledge our sinfulness, repent of our transgressions, and exercise faith in Jesus as Lord and Christ, as Substitute and Example. This faith which receives salvation comes through the divine power of the Word and is the GIFT OF GOD'S GRACE. Through Christ we are justified, adopted as God's sons, and delivered from the lordship of sin. Through the Spirit we are born again and sanctified, the Spirit renews our minds, writes God's law of love in our hearts, and we are given the power to live a holy life.
---francis on 12/8/11


francis, are you to tell me that you can do all that the Holy Bible commands us? --christan on 12/8/11
Ezekiel 36:27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do [them].

Philippians 2:13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of [his] good pleasure.

That is what the new covenant is all about.
It is not ablout not keeping the laws. It is about the spirit of God n us causing us to keep the laws and do what is pleasing to God

2 Timothy 4:7 I have fought a good fight, I have finished [my] course, I have kept the faith:

Noticed paul says "I HAVE"
---francis on 12/8/11


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It's a waste of time in arguing with those determined to believe Christians are still under the laws of Moses-that God placed laws given only to the nation of Israel onto believers hearts-that one becomes a proselyte to Judaism when becoming a Christian.

If Adventists are determined to believe the Jewish Sabbath is the day of worship-that Levitical food laws are applicable to the Christian, they have every right to do so.

Romans 14:1 As for the one who is weak in faith, welcome him, but not to quarrel over opinions.

Howbeit, as a follower of Christ and a student of the Bible for years, I find none of their arguments convincing. Those that advocate dietary laws or keeping the Jewish Sabbath are the ones weak in the faith.
---lee1538 on 12/8/11


Do not live for the negativity arounf every corner, but instead live for Christ which is also around every corner. If you need to find a corner where only you and Jesus abide, do it.
---Eloy on 12/8/11


//francis, are you to tell me you can do all that the Holy Bible commands us?

Many view Jesus simply as a model of whom we are to pattern ourselves after. Howbeit, they are ignorant of the fact that Jesus was a Jew under the Old Covenant law (Gal. 4:4-5) and that Gentile believers were not under Old Covenant laws.

Adventists believe (correct me if I am wrong) that since Jesus attained righteous perfection via the law, we also can do so and qualify for salvation.

For those into the Bible, we believe we are not justified (declared righteous) by the law as the righteousness of Christ is imputed to us.

Galatians 3:11 Now it is evident that no one is justified before God by the law, for The righteous shall live by faith.
---lee1538 on 12/8/11


francis, are you to tell me that you can do all that the Holy Bible commands us? For I know the apostle Paul tells me that he couldn't and how is it you can? Are you better than the apostle Paul who wrote the epistles? Because it sounds like you think you are.

However Paul tells me that a Christian can never loose his salvation that's given to him by God in Romans 8:24-39 and you say otherwise. You teach a gospel of works while Paul teaches a Gospel of grace. Honestly, I would rather believe Paul's teachings than the yoke you have around your neck since you can loose your salvation.
---christan on 12/8/11


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I agree with Christan, we cannot do, but found in Christ, in us, only by the grace of God, His work within us, Josef said it well.Gal 2:20 is a good word.
Also in rom 6 "Offer every part of yourself to him as an instrument of righteousness. For sin shall no longer be your master, because you are not under the law, but under grace. Just as you used to offer yourselves as slaves to impurity and to ever-increasing wickedness, so now offer yourselves as slaves to righteousness leading to HOLINESS. you have been set free from sin and have become slaves of God, the benefit you reap leads to holiness, and the result is eternal life. For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord."
---chria9396 on 12/8/11


---christan on 12/7/11
This is how we lead a godly, righteous life:
imputed righteousness: 1 John 2:1 Christ's righteousness given to us AND
imparted righteousnes:1 John 3:9 Christ CHARACTER given to us whereby we sin not

Titus 2:12 DENYING ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should LIVE soberly, RIGHTEOUSLY ( DO WHAT IS LAWFUL AND RIGHT), and godly, in this present world,imparted

Hebrews 12:1 lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, imparted
1 John 3:7 let no man deceive you: he that doeth WHAT IS LAWFUL AND RIGHT is righteous, even as he( JESUS) is righteous. imputed

Philippians 2:13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure. imparted
---francis on 12/7/11


Titus 2:11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world, Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ,

1: We are saved by grace
2: We must deny ungodliness we should live righteously, and godly, in this present world,
3: We are looking for the blessed hope ( SALVATION) If we are looking forward to it we do not yet have it
4: We are also looking for the return of Jesus

While we wait for the blessed hope, and Jesus return, some will depart from the faith. They will " loose their salvation"
---francis on 12/7/11


francis, of course the Holy Bible commands us, "Be Holy for I am Holy" and to lead a Holy life. The real question is, can you?

My answer is simple, NO I CAN'T. But thank God for Jesus Christ who died for my sins, I am now made Holy in Him by the grace and mercy of God. But does that mean I do not try? No, I do try but the sinful flesh always gets in the way, as Paul admonishes

"For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me, but how to perform that which is good I find not. For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do." Romans 7:18,19 - I stand by Paul's teachings.
---christan on 12/7/11


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"Legalism" serves it's purpose in this world and is used in the attempt to control the criminal element by charging offenders of the 'penal code' (meant to protect SOCIETY). The 'penalty code' is a list of violations/offenses against society. Each state/city/county have their own penal code, but it is not intended to protect and provide for each individual victim, it is meant to protect SOCIETY as a whole (special circumstances/needs of each victim are not addressed by the "penal code"). This is the way of DARKNESS.

LAW (any kind of 'LEGAL law') does not address THE HEART, but GOD'S LAW does and CANNOT be adequately listed in a BOOK.

We are to live the LAW OF LIBERTY and do right as a PURE HEART would see fit.
---more_excellent_way on 12/7/11


francis, again, "are you sinless?"
Are you a sinless Holy person right now? Answer the question? Stop covering youself up with the law. It should be easy, "yes" or "no."
"Are you without sin?" Have you not step where you were told not to step in? Are you able to help those in need and don't? "Again, are you sinless?"
---Mark_V. on 12/7/11


Galatians 5:4 You are severed from Christ, you who would be justified by the law, you have fallen away from grace.

To be justified is to be declared righteous.

The Bible does NOT say we become righteous by obedience to law, howbeit, this is what some denominations preach.

As to righteous by the law, even the Apostle Paul proclaimed that he was without fault.

Php. 3:6b-7 as to righteousness, under the law blameless.But whatever gain I had, I counted as loss for the sake of Christ.

The righteous for the Christian is in Christ, not in ourselves. Those that are in christ are holy.
---lee1538 on 12/7/11


What I posted below was meant for the "who has all the Truth" Blog
---Chria9396 on 12/7/11


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But you show me verses you plucked out from the Bible to expose what your heart really believe and that is one can loose his salvation.
---christan on 12/7/11
Sorry but ALL MY ANSWERS come from the Bible.
Consider JUDAS:
1: Called and ordained by Jesus: Mark 3:14 he ordained twelve
2 Received power from Jesus Matthew 10:1 he gave them power
3: Had the power of the Holy Spirit of God Matthew 10:20 the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you
4: Promised a throne glory: Matthew 19:28 ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones

What exactly did Judas lose if not his salvation and a place in the kingdom of heaven?

Romans 11:22 IF thou CONTINUE in his goodness: OTHERWISE thou also shalt be CUT OFF.
---francis on 12/7/11


francis, like all other SDA's your no different. Everything you say and have said, has been said by other SDA's. And here is what all of you are saying, if we want to be holy, we have to convert to SDA's because they are all holy because they worship God on Saturday's and we don't. Holiness is only found in the SDA's?
Second, legalism is a sin. So you cannot possibly be very Holy. The fundamental distortion of legalism is the belief that one can earn one's way into the Kingdom of Heaven. The Pharisees believe that due to their status as children of Abraham, and to their scrupulous adherence to the law, they were the children of God. At the core, this was a denial of the gospel. Legalism introduces a tyranny over the people of God.
---Mark_V. on 12/7/11


francis, you keep showing verses that commands us to "sanctify yourselves" or "be holy for I am holy".

Maybe you would like to tell us how does a sinful/evil man (like ourselves) can sanctify ourselves or for that matter, make ourselves Holy before a Holy God? Do not continue to show verses for they only merely tell us what we ought to do. They real question is, can you do it? Meaning, can you clean and make yourself Holy before God by your own?

Even if you can, maybe you would like to share with us the secret to your enlightenment and what is the standard to this self-cleansing before one becomes Holy. I sure would like to know how far you have gone with this self-cleansing.
---christan on 12/7/11


you continue to tell us we have to live a holy live.
---christan on 12/7/11

Your bible does not tell you that?
Leviticus 20:7 Sanctify yourselves therefore, and be ye holy: for I [am] the LORD your God.

1 Peter 1:15 But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation,

1 Peter 1:16 Because it is written, Be ye holy, for I am holy.
---francis on 12/7/11


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francis, I ask you a simple question that requires a simple yes or no. But you show me verses you plucked out from the Bible to expose what your heart really believe and that is one can loose his salvation.

Jesus admonishes us, "But let your communication be, Yea, yea, Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil." Matthew 5:37

As for me, a Christian elected by God can never ever loose his salvation, period. That is to say, NO! NAY!
---christan on 12/7/11


Legalism is very 'JUDICIAL' ...aggressive towards your fellow human being (uncivilized)
****
yes let's get rid of legalism and judicial laws ...you're right the aggressiveness and punishment governments hand out is most uncivilized

we should just let them all go to create a better more civilized world

ironic ..."christians" want murders rapists pedophiles thieves put away by legal ways of world because these ways are good YET GODS simple 10 commandments are harsh of which 2 laws already in law of land

cannot have GODS LOVE without obeying HIS commands - false christianity teaches lie Gods commands are harsh CONTRARY to Holy Scripture 1John 5:3
---Rhonda on 12/7/11


Tell me then, do you believe a Christian can loose his salvation?
---christan on 12/7/11
Romans 11:22 IF THOU CONTINUE in his goodness: OTHERWISE thou also shalt be cut off.

Colossians 1:22.. to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight: IF YE CONTINUEn the faith ..

2 Peter 2:20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.

Ezekiel 18:26 When a righteous man turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and dieth in them, for his iniquity that he hath done shall he die.
---francis on 12/7/11


francis, you ask "When and where have I advocated that anyone is saved by keeping the law?" and you answer your own question, "Beware of people who come to you saying that you are unable to live holy lives. They encourage you to eat what is unclean, marry in an unclean manner, talk an unclean taught."

First of all, Jesus declared, "the flesh profiteth nothing" and you continue to tell us we have to live a holy live. As for the unclean part, Jesus has this to say to you, "Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man, but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man." Matthew 15:11.

Tell me then, do you believe a Christian can loose his salvation?
---christan on 12/7/11


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Virtually every believer in the world is convinced that they themselves are a 'scoundrel' (I disagree). It's sad that they have been so utterly brainwashed so as to believe that they need to be "commanded" to do anything that God would agree with. They feel completely comfortable believing that they are a scoundrel and that no good can come from them (a 'Guilt Complex').

Some believers do need to be COMMANDED.....just like those were taught to be twice as much a "child of hell"....

"twice as much a child of hell" (Matthew 23:15).

Legalism is very 'JUDICIAL' (commands/orders, judgement, wrath, etc.) and aggressive towards your fellow human being (uncivilized).
---more_excellent_way on 12/7/11


I believe this applies to all believers. The Truth is Jesus, the Word. Jesus is all truth and there is no truth outside of Him, the Holy Spirit testifies of Him! We are led to Him, Jesus, and further revelation of who He is. We do not see all of the truth, as He is limitless, and the Word inexhaustible, we see in part now, but have the promise we will see in full. 1 Cor13:12
For now we see only a reflection as in a mirror, then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part, then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known.
---Chria9396 on 12/7/11


francis, you said,
"God commands us tolive in a certain manner.
Beware of people who come to you saying that you are unable to live holy lives.
They encourage you to eat what is unclean, marry in an unclean manner, talk an unclean taugh"

You say to beware of those people, advocating that you live a holy life. Do you not sin? Are you suggesting that believers are sinless? Breaking the law of God is not just the Ten Commandments, when you step where you shouldn't it is sin. When you accuse someone unrighteously, you sin. You have to take the stake out of your eye first, before you can judge another brother or sister, or else you sin, and you are not been very holy yourself.
---Mark_V. on 12/7/11


//They encourage you to eat what is unclean, marry in an unclean manner, talk an unclean taugh

Is that why Adventists avoid what Jesus taught as He clearly taught that no foods are unclean?

Mk 7:18-19 And he said to them, Then are you also without understanding? Do you not see that whatever goes into a person from outside cannot defile him, since it enters not his heart but his stomach, and is expelled? (Thus he declared all foods clean.)

1Co 8:8 But food does not commend us to God, for neither if wet. eat are we the better, nor if we do not eat are we the worse.

I guess Jesus was not a legalist.
---lee1538 on 12/7/11


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God commands us tolive in a certain manner.
Beware of people who come to you saying that you are unable to live holy lives.
They encourage you to eat what is unclean, marry in an unclean manner, talk an unclean taugh

God's advice: 2 Corinthians 6:17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean [thing], and I will receive you,
---francis on 12/6/11


A Christian is saved by the grace of God only through faith and never by the works of the law, which is what you are advocating.
---christan on 12/6/11

When and where have I advocated that anyone is saved by keeping the law?

Examine your own beliefs:
When you honour your father and mother which is the 5th commandment are you doing it to earn salvation?

Are you suggesting that the 9/10 commandments which you keep is not to earn salvation, but one who keeps 10/10 of the commandments does it for salvation?

EXAMINE YOUR OWN BELIEFS
---francis on 12/7/11


Romans 3:5 But if our unrighteousness commend the righteousness of God, what shall we say? Is God unrighteous who taketh vengeance? I speak as a man God forbid: for then how shall God judge the world?
For if the truth of God hath more abounded through my lie unto his glory, why yet am I also judged as a sinner?

What this scriptures says is that we cannot live unrighteous lives and say that God only is righteous. Because God has a standard to judge the world and we must live up to it.
We cannot say that only God is sinnless and holy, and that by living in sin we glorify the holiness of God, because God will judge us as sinners.
---francis on 12/6/11


LOVE, genuine love. The ultimate commandment.

Why do you people make living a christian life so complicated? Genuine love will get you into heaven.
---Steveng on 12/6/11


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Rom 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God,
Rom 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin, and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
Luk 11:3-4 Give us day by day our daily bread. And forgive us our sins, for we also forgive every one that is indebted to us. And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil.
-It is truly sad that the righteous cannot pray as the Lord guides.
Luk 5:32 I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
-Apparently the righteous do not need Christ nor repentance either.
2Cor 5:21 For he hath made him [to be] sin for us, who knew no sin, that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.
-Gospel!!
---micha9344 on 12/6/11


lee1538 and christan

The NEW TESTAMENT says that we know the chuldren of God from the children of the devil because the children of God do what is LAWFUL AND RIGHT

1 John 3:4 sin is the transgression of the law.


1 John 3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth what is LAWFUL AND RIGHT is righteous, even as he is righteous. He that transgresses the law is of the devil, Whosoever is born of God doth not transgresses the law, for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not what is LAWFUL AND RIGHT is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
---francis on 12/6/11


Do we become holy by obedience to law?

Or is it simply that Holy Spirit that indwells the Christian that one is counted as holy?

I am inclined to believe it is the latter.
---lee1538 on 12/6/11


Unfortunately, the fact one cannot live a sinless life does not mean one MUST try to.

So what can we say for Melissa, who posted this blog question?

The point about negativity, though, is not the problem for me. The problems come from within, not from without - my sinful nature persistently rebels against my God who works in me
---Peter on 12/6/11


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"So you are saying that it is imposibble for man to worship God only! Where does God say that his commandments are imposible for us to obey?" francis"

"When His disciples heard it, they were exceedingly amazed, saying, Who then can be saved? But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, WITH MEN THIS IS IMPOSSIBLE, but with God all things are possible." Matthew 19:25-26, also read verses 16-24.

"It is the spirit that quickeneth, the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life." John 6:63

A Christian is saved by the grace of God only through faith and never by the works of the law, which is what you are advocating.
---christan on 12/6/11


//Can't you see the standard of the law only condemns a man?

And that in part is why they refer to the law written on letters of stone as being the ministry of death and condemnation (2 Cor. 3:7,9).

Unfortunately Adventists believe Jesus is our example and since He attained to perfection via obedience to law, they can do so also.

However, they believe they can do that in part by what they eat or what day of the week they have communal worship.

Frankly they simply cannot (or will not) comprehend that the law was but a schoolmaster (or tutor) until we could be justified by faith (Gal. 3:24f).

Galatians is definitely not on their plate for study as all too much of it conflicts with their faith-works theology.
---lee1538 on 12/6/11


francis, again and again you fail to comprehend that what God commands is impossible for a man to fulfill. ---christan on 12/5/11

So you are saying that it is imposibble for man to worship God only?
Where does God say that his commandments are imposible for us to obey?

PLEASE TRY TO GIVE ONE VERSE IN SUPPORT OF YOUR POSITION

God gives his commandments so that we can know how to live HOLY LIVES

You choose to live a carnal life that is your choice.
Romans 8:7 Because the carnal mind [is] enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
---francis on 12/6/11


"Are you saying that you cannot stop eating what is unclean, cannot stop dishonouring your parents and cannot keep the sabbath day rest?" francis

What happens to you then when you have done all this that you claim you are able to do? Isn't it your duty to do as God commands? And for your information, the Christian sabbath rest is now found in Jesus Christ and not on a particular day as you would like to suggest.

The Buddhists, Muslims and other faiths like yours will tell you that they do all that you mentioned and yet they are all heading for the broad gate to hell. Do you know why?
---christan on 12/6/11


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be still and know that God is God...in being still You will also quit going around the corner...
---kevin5443 on 12/6/11


"How to live a holy life when negativity is around every corner?" ---Melissa on 12/1/11
Melissa let go and let The Father's Christ live through you. Let this verse be the mainstay of you life.
"I have been crucified with Christ, it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me, and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me." Gal 2:20
---josef on 12/6/11


francis, again and again you fail to comprehend that what God commands is impossible for a man to fulfill. Can't you see that the standard of the law only condemns a man? And Paul declares the law was to only make sin known in the man.

So let's just say that you manage to keep yourself from breaking all the laws of God, are you going to heaven because you have fulfilled the laws of God? Yes or No?
---christan on 12/5/11


You quote verses that is IMPOSSIBLE for man to achieve which is what God is saying. And here you are telling us, "Yes I can".
---christan on 12/5/11

Leviticus 11:44 For I am the LORD your God: ye shall therefore sanctify yourselves, and ye shall be holy, for I am holy: neither shall ye defile yourselves with any manner of creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
Leviticus 19:2 Ye shall be holy: for I the LORD your God am holy. Ye shall fear every man his mother, and his father, and keep my sabbaths:

Are you saying that you cannot stop eating what is unclean, cannot stop dishonouring your parents and cannot keep the sabbath day rest?
---francis on 12/5/11


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Do tell how that is done outside of the Almighty Grace of God.--christan on 12/5/11
Who said it is outside god?

Leviticus 11:44 For I am the LORD your God: ye shall therefore sanctify yourselves, and ye shall be holy, for I am holy: neither shall ye defile yourselves with any manner of creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
Leviticus 19:2 Ye shall be holy: for I the LORD your God am holy. Ye shall fear every man his mother, and his father, and keep my sabbaths:

Want to live a Holy Life: Stop eating what is unclean, keeping the sabbath, honour your parents. Phil 2:13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.
---Francis on 12/5/11


francis, so when God commands a sinful and evil man, "Be Holy for I am Holy", are you to tell us that you can make yourself Holy? You quote verses that is IMPOSSIBLE for man to achieve which is what God is saying. And here you are telling us, "Yes I can".

Do tell how that is done outside of the Almighty Grace of God. Again, did God promise salvation with conditions? Go read the promises to Abraham in Genesis and you will not find a condition attached to His promises which prompted Paul to declare,

"For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise." Galatians 3:18
---christan on 12/5/11


Walk in the Holy Spirit and stay in Jesus. When the tempter comes, just say No, no to the world and the things that are ungodly and NonChristian, and keep your place with Jesus.
---Eloy on 12/5/11


--christan on 12/5/11
If you saw the same thing in the NT would it help you?

1 Peter 1:15 But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation,

2 Peter 3:11 [Seeing] then [that] all these things shall be dissolved, what manner [of persons] ought ye to be in [all] holy conversation and godliness,


Isaiah 52:11 Depart ye, depart ye, go ye out from thence, touch no unclean [thing], go ye out of the midst of her, be ye clean, that bear the vessels of the LORD.

2 Corinthians 6:17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean [thing], and I will receive you,
---francis on 12/5/11


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"In the context of living a Holy Life, God gave to humanity the laws of clean and uncelan meats" Francis

"Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law?" Galatians 4:21, and what does the law say?

"Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin." Romans 3:20

Did God declare that you'll be justified Holy for obeying His laws? Why do you continue to lay the yoke on the people's neck about the law when the law served only one purpose? Jesus will say to you on Judgement Day, "And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity."
---christan on 12/5/11


How to live a holy life when negativity is around every corner?
---Melissa on 12/1/11
In the context of living a Holy Life, God gave to humanity the laws of clean and uncelan meats:

Leviticus 10:10 And that ye may put difference between HOLY AND UNHOLY, and between unclean and clean,

Leviticus 11:45 For I am the LORD that bringeth you up out of the land of Egypt, to be your God: ye shall thereforeBE HOLY, for I am holy

Part of the standard to be holy as God is holy has to do with what we eat.

So even in a negative world, we should not be deceived or pressured into eating what God said donot eat for it is HIS standard of Holiness

We know what God's standard are, let is press toward the mark
---francis on 12/4/11


francis //1 John 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin, for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

So you commit a sin if you kindle a fire in your home on the Sabbath (Ex. 35:3) or eat a pork roast?

The Holy Spirit is our primary teacher and He tells us to love one another for " Whoever loves his brother abides in the light, and in him there is no cause for stumbling." 1 John 2:10

So we suggest you learn to listen to God's Spirit and not to the words of false prophets.
---lee1538 on 12/4/11


1 John 3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.

1 John 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil, for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

1 John 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin, for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

1 John 3:10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
---francis on 12/3/11


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"Negativity" is the consequence of the fall of Adam and Eve in the garden. Basically, mankind does not have peace with God since the fall of our parents Adam and Eve. And this will continue till the end of time.

Only God is Holy, not man. And try as hard they may, they can never be Holy unless they are found inside of Jesus Christ. That is, a Christian is only deemed Holy on the account of Christ's life when He died at Calvary on behalf of His people. Paul declared,

"But we had the sentence of death in ourselves, that we should not trust in ourselves, but in God which raiseth the dead" 2 Corinthians 1:9

Trust only in Jesus Christ.
---christan on 12/3/11


Further thoughts:

There has always been "negativity". The challenge is not letting yourself be defeated by it.

John 1 says, "The Light shone in the darkness, and the darkness did not overcome it."

Francis of Assisi saw the negativity and prayed, "Where there is hatred, let me sow love. Where there is injury, pardon. Where there is darkness, light. Where there is sadness, joy. Where there is despair, hope."

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/3/11


That's good for me . . . to keep in me warning that negativity is wrong and destructive. "Do all things without complaining and disputing, that you may become blameless and harmless, children of God without fault in the midst of a crooked and perverse generation, among whom you shine as lights in the world, holding fast the word of life," we have in Philippians 2:14-16. So, by not complaining or arguing, we can "become blameless and harmless" and "without fault", right in the middle of this evil and negative world.
---Bill_willa6989 on 12/2/11


Melissa,
Do you perhaps mean with evil around every corner?

The cure for negativity is thankfulness.

1 Thessalonians 5:18, "In every thing give thanks: for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus concerning you."

Note: It is not the "thing" that we are giving thanks for. It is giving thanks in spite of the "thing" what ever that may be.

For example, if one has cancer God does not expect us to be thankful for the cancer but rather to simply be thankful, in spite of the cancer.
---Bruce5656 on 12/2/11


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Melissa, get filled with the Word of God and Worship Father God with all of your heart and soul and the anointing will flow through you and every place on which your foot shall stand, you shall premeate that place with the Glory of God.
---anon on 12/2/11


Melissa, why let the negativity of others decide how you live?

Do they indeed have that much power over you?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/2/11


"Holiness" is when the INNER person can relate to AND IDENTIFY WITH the creator....(being reconnected with God means that we become 'wholey', "I am who I am" is The Father's "forever" name, Exodus 3:14, 15).

....then the creator's Spirit (Holy Spirit) can relate to ("witness to") our spirit.

"it is the Spirit himself bearing witness with our spirit that
we are children of God" (Romans 8:16).

Being WHOLEy/integral with the creator (being 'as one' with the creator) is simply a matter of being a "WISE" son of man.

"God looks down from heaven upon the sons of men to see if there are any that are wise, that seek after God" (Psalm 53:2).
---more_excellent_way on 12/1/11


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