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Who Has All The Truth

Jesus said that the Holy Spirit would "lead you into all truth". Was He saying that to only the apostles, or to believers in general including us today? Does anyone today have "all truth"?

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Nowhere does the Bible say that Christians need keep the Jewish Sabbath. ---lee1538 on 12/10/11

Exodus 20:10 the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth,... and rested the seventh day

I was not aware that this was reversed by the birth and death of Jesus.

I am 100% sure that the NT calls for the worship of THE CREATOR:

Ephesians 3:9 God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:

Colossians 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth,

Revelation 10:6 who created heaven, and the earth

Revelation 14:7 worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.
---francis on 12/11/11


//There was never a teaching or issue against the sabbath ALL Christians for years kept the sabbath.

The Jewish Sabbath was not imposed onto Gentile believers at the Jerusalem council Acts 15. Allowance was made to Jewish Christians that wished to continue in the Mosaic traditions. Romans 14.

//Not every OT command was at issue in the NT times
example: Leviticus 18:23 Neither shalt thou lie with any beast to defile thyself therewith.

Sexual immorality was condemned in several NT passages.

Yes, the sabbath was not an issue since it reflected an Apostolic decision that the Sabbath was no longer required.

So your arguments are unconvincing.
---lee1538 on 12/11/11


"The NT was writen primarily to correct false teaching that has come up in the church. It was also written to encourage believers."...

Not every command in the OT was at issue in the NT times
example: ---francis on 12/11/11

The NT and OT was written primarily to reveal the true Messiah.

Bestiality has always been a problem.
---aka on 12/11/11


Nowhere does the Bible say that Christians need keep the Jewish Sabbath. ---lee1538 on 12/10/11

The NT was writen primarily to correct false teaching that has come up in the church. It was also written to encourage believers.

There was never a teaching or issue against the sabbath ALL Christians for years kept the sabbath.

Not every command in the OT was at issue in the NT times
example:

Leviticus 18:23 Neither shalt thou lie with any beast to defile thyself therewith

Do you think that this is OK just because it was not commanded in the NT?

It is not commanded because like the sabbath it was never an issue
---francis on 12/11/11


Eloy, you sure?
I believe it was God!

Because some men believe they can do the law. I say do as opposed to keeping the law.
So dont get confused, for everyone must keep the law.
Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.

For if men were to do the law. Then they are holy, just and good.
Whereas Christ said:
Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.
---TheSeg on 12/10/11




francis, there is only two kinds of people on the earth, believers and unbelievers. The natural man is the ungenerate, but the Spiritual man is the regenerate man. Rom. 8 we are told the spiritual man can act in a fleshly way/. Anytime you disobey the Lord, you are carnal. Anytime you obey the Lord, you are spiritual. Anytime you do what you ought to not do, you are carnal. That means the flesh, you're operating off the principle of sin. Carnality is not a state for Christians it is simply a momentary experience of the Believer who is disobedient to God. Paul explained it very well concerning himself in Rom. 7:19, "For the good that I will to do, I do not do, but the evil I will not to do, that I practice"
---Mark_V. on 12/10/11


ONE truth. And that truth is found in the Bible for those willing to accept it. ---jerry6593 on 12/10/11

yes, for those willing to accept it for what it clearly states:

John 14:5 Thomas said to Him (Jesus), "Lord, we do not know where You go, and how can we know the way?"

John 14:6 Jesus said to him, "I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life, no one comes to the Father but by Me."

clearly stated...no need for equivocation.
---aka on 12/10/11


//People say they are christians yet walk in darkness: meaning they commit SIN like not keeping the sabbath and eating what they want. If you do that, and say you have no sin you are a liar.

Nowhere does the Bible say that Christians need keep the Jewish Sabbath. In fact, if you were to look at the various listings of sins found in the New Testament (Mark 7:21f, Romans 1:29f, Galatians 5:19f, 2 Timothy 3,1-4)breaking the sabbath is NOT listed as a sin.

Furthermore if breaking the Jewish Sabbath was a sin, then why did not the Apostles and their immediate successor teach that?

Frankly, Hebrews 4 indicates to us that the Sabbath law was but a shadow that was fulfilled in the ministry of Christ.
---lee1538 on 12/10/11


---Mark_V. on 12/9/11
1 John 1:6 IF WE SAY that we have fellowship with him, AND WALK IN DARKNESS, we lie, and do not the truth:
but if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son CLEANSES US FROM ALL SIN. If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

People say they are christians yet walk in darkness: meaning they commit SIN like not keeping the sabbath and eating what they want. If you do that, and say you have no sin you are a liar.

But if you CONFESS YOUR SIN, God will CLEANSE YOU from ALL SIN

Once God has CLEANSED YOU from your sin, you have no more SIN
---francis on 12/9/11


Satan and his sinners lie saying, "All" fall short. But only "all" NonChristians and "all" hypocrites which are the only "all" spoken of in this verse fall short. For "all" Christians have the same mind which is in Christ Jesus, and "all" else fall short.
---Eloy on 12/10/11




Mark said, Truth is a static thing. The truth of the answer to 2+2 will ALWAYS be the same. This is called apriori truth in the world of logic and philosophy, circumstantial decisions Scott, are in a different category of truth that relate to knowledge and experience called priori truth. REAL opriori truth is not relevant it stands apart from experience or knowledge, for instance, 1 plus 1 is two no matter who knows, or no matter if anyone even exists, it is just a indisputable fact, like, God is Holy. If I said, always use a GPS when out, this is the best way to travel, that is priori truth, related to experience, or a common knowledge. Not gunning for anyone, just putting that distinction out there.
---Poppa_Bear on 12/10/11


Scott1: "truth is relative for each person"

I coucur with Mark Eaton. Moral relativism is satanic garbage. If truth were indeed relative, then Satan would be right and God would just have a different opinion.

There are many flavors of error (just look at these blogs), but only ONE truth. And that truth is found in the Bible for those willing to accept it.
---jerry6593 on 12/10/11


Oh!
I know, I know!
No one, for all have fallen short!

But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.

So maybe we know but cant believe it.
Didnt he say, in a way, man has an attendance to reject the truth?



---TheSeg on 12/9/11


francis, you said,
"Romans 6:12 Let not sin therefore reign in your MORTAL BODIES,"

But you do let it reign. Your pride. You think you can change the name of sin, to holiness, you are wrong. You want to call yourself sinless, holy and a saint while on the earth, you deceive yourself and the Truth is not in you, "If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in you" ( 1 John 1:8). "If we say that we have not sinned, (and you say you are holy) we make Him a liar, and His Word is not in us" That's pretty clear to me that the truth is not in you and you call God a liar. I don't want to be like you, a hypocrite, hiding your sin and calling it holiness.
---Mark_V. on 12/9/11


truth is relative for each person...How I should handle this situation could be different from how you should handle the same situation.
---Scott1 on 12/9/11

I must strongly disagree.

Truth is a static thing. The truth of the answer to 2+2 will ALWAYS be the same.

The same is true for God and Jesus. They are truth and they never change.

How you choose to use the truth is what you are referring to. You can choose to use the truth or you can choose to disregard the truth. The choice is yours.

However, the truth will still be the same.
---Mark_Eaton on 12/9/11


You are a sinner fallen short of the glory of God.
---Mark_V. on 12/9/11

I do not recal the word of God calling those who have faith in Jesus, and whose sins are forgiven SINNERS.

let see what it calls us:
John 1:12 the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

Romans 8:17 And if children, then heirs, heirs of God

2 Corinthians 6:18 And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters

Daniel 7:18 the saints of the most High

MARK_V be one of us, be a saint, be a son of God, he an heir with christ. Stop being a sinner. There is no such thing as sinner saved by grace, sinners will not be saved. Only the sons and daughters of God will be saved
---francis on 12/9/11


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truth is relative for each person. This is why a personal relationship with God is important. How I should handle this situation could be different from how you should handle the same situation.
---Scott1 on 12/9/11


---Mark_V. on 12/9/11
Romans 6:6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth WE SHOULD NOT SERVE SIN.

Romans 6:12 Let not sin therefore reign in your MORTAL BODIES,

Ephesians 4:22 That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt..be renewed in the spirit of your mind,
..put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.
Ephesians 4:25 Wherefore putting away lying,
Ephesians 4:27 Neither give place to the devil.
ephesians 4:28 Let him that stole steal no more
mark_v you need a "rebirth" if you are still the old man of not obeying the law of God
---francis on 12/9/11


Mark V. You told francis that
"You are a sinner fallen short of the glory of God"
I do not agree with that.
As Belivers we were sinners saved by grace. We are new creations. As romans 6 says..Christ died to sin once for all, but the life He lives He lives to God. In the same way, we count ourself dead to sin, but alive to God in Jesus Christ. We were slaves to sin. Sin is no longer our master. We offer ourselves as slaves to righteousness which lead to holiness.
---JIM on 12/9/11


francis, yes, Jesus spoke a lot about the Law, He is God after all. What did you want Him to speak of? He is law unto Himself.
But what you try to do is speak as if you were Jesus, Holy already. You are not Him. You are a sinner fallen short of the glory of God.
When He spoke about the law it was to convict those who were lost and bring some to Salvation and others to show them their sin. Once they did come to salvation, there was no more condemnation to those who are in Christ. But you want to condemn them (us) as if you are Holy already. That is what I told Warwick once, that I found wrong in your religion. Everything you guys speak is a smoke screen that leads to Saturday Sabbath.
---Mark_V. on 12/9/11


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francis, you deny you speak for the law, ---Mark_V. on 12/8/11

Thank you for noticing:
Isaiah 8:20 To the law TO THE LAW and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there it no light in them.

If you are unable to unwilling to speak to the LAW... it is because THERE IS NO LIGHT IN YOU


Matthew 7:12 Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is THE LAW and the prophets.

Matthew 22:40 On these two commandments ( LOVE FOR GOD AND NEIGHBOUR) all THE LAW and the prophets.
---francis on 12/9/11


the truth is in the word,which is jesus,who is God.we attempt to live it and do to varying degrees.but only jesus was without sin among all humans ever born,and thats the truth.
---tom2 on 12/9/11


Samuel: "I need to remind everyone ..."

I always appreciate your mature responses and your respectful demeanor, but I think it may be wasted on some of these clowns. They are not interested in changes in themselves to conform to biblical principles, but rather to changes in Bible interpretations to force it to conform to their own pre-conceived beliefs.

They have convinced themselves that Jesus came not to save them from the bondage of sin, but that He came to save them from the bondage of the Law which defines sin.
---jerry6593 on 12/9/11


francis, you deny you speak for the law, ---Mark_V. on 12/8/11

Then I find myself i good company
Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law,
Matthew 12:12 How much then is a man better than a sheep? Wherefore it is lawful to do well on the sabbath days.
Matthew 22:40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

Jesus spoke a LOT aboutthe law and called people to REPENT from their TRANGRESSION of THE LAW
---Francis on 12/8/11


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francis, you deny you speak for the law, and yet every answer you have given is for the Law, and so you want everyone to follow you and if they don't they are not holy but you and all SDA's are holy because you keep Saturday Sabbath. If you were to join the New Covenant believers and your rest was Christ, your life would be miserable, everyday you would want to go back to the Sabbath law. And what that tells me is, you reject the rest in Christ to go back to the Old Covenant of works. So I believe you are the one not very holy. Stay under the Law, we are not trying to make you rest in Christ, because we cannot do that, only God can do that, only God can change your heart. Then you would be speaking of Christ and not the law.
---Mark_V. on 12/8/11


Those who are in "CULTS" also do what is written in Romans 1:25.
---Rob on 12/7/11
Romans 1:25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator,

feel bad for you Rob.
The reason why you keep sunday as a holy day is because the "CULTS" worshiped the creation ( THE SUN) as a god. Then made you think it was the day of the SON

But we the peopel of God, we worship THE CREATOR who in six days created heavena nd earth, and rested and commanded man to rest of the 7th day

Rob get out of the CREATATION worshiping cult while you can and worship him who made heavena dn earth, the seas and all that in them is
---francis on 12/7/11


francis, that is not what 2 Peter 2:18-22 is saying, it says "To turn from the holy commandment" which literally means "to turn back" The verse discribes the perversion and defection of .
---Mark_V. on 12/7/11

When ever a christian TURNS BACK, he or she turns BACK INTO SIN, which means they turn back from the holy commandment

People tell you that you are free in christ to do what: To eat swine which is a sin, to not keep the sabbath which is a sin, to have one man marry another which is a sin.

the freedoms that you are promised are not freedom at all the bible says it is bondage OF SIN
---francis on 12/7/11


Rob//Those who are in "CULTS" also do what is written in Romans 1:25.
---
Romans 1:25 They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshipped and served created things rather than the Creatorwho is for ever praised. Amen.

While they boast of their law obedience, they live in the flesh and they can be expected to fail in their moral lives.

God will allow them to do whatever their passions desire.(verse 27)

They have no restraint within themselves.
---lee1538 on 12/7/11


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you try to seduce others to do as you, by going back under the Law ---Mark_V. on 12/7/11
1: I have never said that we are saved by the law. That makes you a liar

2: READ YOUR BIBLE:
Romans 13:9 Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet, Ephesians 6:2 Honour thy father and mother, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

1 Corinthians 8:4 there is none other God but one.
1 John 5:21 keep yourselves from idols.
1 Timothy 6:1 that the name of God be not blasphemed.
Acts 13:44 And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.

ALL TEN COMMANDMENTS ARE IN THE NEW TESTAMENT
---francis on 12/7/11


francis part 2, In 2 Peter 2:19 says that those false teachers want to bring others back into bondage, meaning to be under the law. And (v. 21) is not saying the Ten Commandments or "Commandments' plural, but singular, "holy commandment" delievered to them, that is the gospel. These false teachers had never genuinely been converted to Christ. They heard the true gospel and moved toward it, but then rejected the Christ of that gospel. That is apostasy, like the people in (Hebrews 10:26,27). They had no faith in the Eternal Son of God. (v.22) gives two graphic analogies of an apostate, the first from Prov. 26:11 and the second is Peter's own.
---Mark_V. on 12/7/11


Galatians 4:28-29 Now you, brothers, like Isaac, are children of promise. But just as at that time he who was born according to the flesh persecuted him who was born according to the Spirit, so also it is now.

Such is the case of the legalist, the children of Hagar, who will go after the children of the promise.

The promise was based on faith, not obedience to laws.
---lee1538 on 12/7/11


I need to remind everyone that Conditionalism or Soul Sleep was taught by others before Ellen G. Harmon (White) was born. Seventh day Baptist and other Sabbath keepers existed before the founding of the Seventh day Adventist church. Again these teachings from the bible by other groups precede the birth of Mrs. White.

So how did these other bible believers come up with the doctrine that you accuse us of basing on Mrs. White?

Instead of addressing the issue a blanket statment is made. Argue with John Wesley and Martin Luther and even Calvin about the importance and centrality of the Ten Commandments before stating we are the ones who put them as a part of Christianity.
---Samuel on 12/7/11


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Mark V, you will notice how Francis wrote about 2 Peter 2:19-21.

Have yourself along with others noticed how Frances, Jerry, and others who are trapped in a "CULT" constantly avoid what is written in 2 Peter 2:1-18.

Also they always say SDA's are being attacked. If you look through these blogs, you will see how many times they have attacked me with their words because I have shared the truth regarding SDA's.
---Rob on 12/7/11


I wonder if I'm in a cult.
---John.usa on 12/7/11


It is so very typical for those who are in a "CULT", to say they are being attacked, when people are only sharing THE TRUTH.

Those who are in "CULTS" also do what is written in Romans 1:25.
---Rob on 12/7/11


Poppa, I guess we'll just have to disagree about that. God bless.
---John.usa on 12/7/11


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francis, that is not what 2 Peter 2:18-22 is saying, it says "To turn from the holy commandment" which literally means "to turn back" The verse discribes the perversion and defection of false teachers. They professed the Christian experience (the way of Righteousness) (Matt. 21:32) and even had access to the true teachings of Scripture. But by their own lives they demonstrated that they ultimately had chosen to reject Christ (Heb. 10:26-31). After time they try to seduce others in their attempt to fulfill their self-gratification.
That's what you are doing rejecting the sufficiency of Christ righteousness to save you so you try to seduce others to do as you, by going back under the Law, from where they came from.
---Mark_V. on 12/7/11


Francis, you still avoid and reject what is written in 2 Peter Chapter Two.
---Rob on 12/7/11

No Bob I do not ingnore 2 peter chapter 2. You are the one who has rejected 2 peter 2.

2 Peter 2:19 While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage.

SOMEONE PROMISED YOU LIBERTY BUT THEY HAVE YOU IN SIN, NOT KEEPING THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD

2 Peter 2:21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known [it], to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.

IT IS YOU AND NOT ME WHO HAVE TURNED AWAY FROM THE HOLY COMMANDMENTS DELIVERED YO YOU
---Francis on 12/7/11


John the second deaths after the thousand years and still no universal salvation.
Revelations 13 the sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, each person was judged according to what he had done. 14Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death. 15If anyones name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.
8But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liarstheir place will be in the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.
---Poppa_Bear on 12/7/11


All the truth is anything in the Bible. The Word of God. I do not believe any "religion" or "demomination" has the truth. If what you believe is completly from the Word of God, then you have the truth.
---caroa7399 on 12/7/11


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Rob: "Jerry, for your information, I believe the Bible is the true and complete Word of God."

No you don't. You often argue against it's clear teachings on the 6-day Creation/seventh day of rest, the global flood of Noah, etc. And whenever you are confronted with your errors, you change the subject to attack SDAs and poor, dead Ellen White. How pathetic!
---jerry6593 on 12/7/11


Francis, you still avoid and reject what is written in 2 Peter Chapter Two.

This is because over and over again Ellen G. White has been proven to be a FALSE PROPHET!
---Rob on 12/7/11


Most of you think that your denominational church (a non-profit entity) receives the truth. Individuals only receive the truth. Can your denominational church get baptised? Can your denominational church fellowship with others? Can your denominational church receive the Holy Spirit?

Your denominational church is nothing more than a govenment controlled entity only knowing the truth from which the government dictates.
---Steveng on 12/6/11


Poppa, perhaps. But you need to square your Revelation passage with Paul's assertion that God is the Saviour of all mankind, that He is reconciling the world to Himself, and that He will be All in all. Anyway, Rev.20.10 does not say forever and ever. It says for the eons of the eons. An eon is a specific time period with an ending. :)
---John.usa on 12/6/11


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John, you may need to try and patch this square into your Doctrine, Revelations, 9A third angel followed them and said in a loud voice: If anyone worships the beast and his image and receives his mark on the forehead or on the hand, 10 he, too, will drink of the wine of Gods fury, which has been poured full strength into the cup of his wrath. He will be tormented with burning sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and of the Lamb. 11 And the smoke of their torment rises for ever and ever. There is no rest day or night for those who worship the beast and his image, or for anyone who receives the mark of his name.
Adieu
---Poppa_Bear on 12/6/11


SDA's don't believe this, and is the reason why they follow the teachings of Ellen G. White.
---Rob on 12/6/11

LOL If you believed the bible them you would have known this:
Joel 2:28 And it shall come to pass afterward, [that] I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh, and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:

Which means that in the future, God's people will have dreams and vision just as E G White did

the completition of the bible does not silence God at all.
God will continue to call prophets as he sees fit
---francis on 12/6/11


The Seg, you shocked me. Do you really believe in "universalism?" that everyone will be saved? I have read many of your great answers and never saw one bit of evidence that you believed that. Are you serious?
---Mark_V. on 12/6/11


TheSeg, yes, I've held that belief for at least thirty years. Glad you do too.
---John.usa on 12/6/11


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THE CATHOLIC EXTENSION MAGAZINE
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Dear Sir: I wish to draw your attention to the facts:

(1)Protestants, who accept the Bible as the only rule of faith and religion, should by all means go back to the observance of the Sabbath. The fact that they do not, but on the contrary observe the Sunday, stultifies them in the eyes of every thinking man.

(3) of all Protestants, the SEVENTH DAY ADVENTIST ARE THE ONLY GROUP that reason correctly and are consistent with their teachings. It is always somewhat laughable to see the Protestant Churches, in pulpil and legislature, demand the observance of Sunday, of which there is nothing in the Bible.

With best wishes,
Peter R. Tramer. Editor
---francis on 12/6/11


Jesus is the Truth but we must also remember in the Gospel of John, "He was the Word and the Word became flesh and dwelt amount us."

So if Jesus is the Word and The Word became flesh and dwelt amoung us, then the Word of God is TRUTH. They are one in the same.

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ
---anon on 12/6/11


Jerry, for your information, I believe the Bible is the true and complete Word of God.

SDA's don't believe this, and is the reason why they follow the teachings of Ellen G. White.
---Rob on 12/6/11


//do you believe the Bible is the Word of God, that it is TRUE, and that it is COMPLETE?
---
Everyone here will probably affirm the fact that the Bible is true that it is the very word of God.

However, all too often the Bible and truth is interpreted by denominational teachings.

But all too often parts of the Bible are ignored or lack emphasis in denominational teachings.

It is easy to see that Adventists are stuck in the teachings found in the Old Testament as they generally ignore what is in the New.
All their unique doctrines are based on OT teachings.
---lee1538 on 12/6/11


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//If he loses nothing the Father has given him, then nothing will ultimately be lost. That's the real Good News! :)// --John.usa

one verse to launch what was not said in context in the Good News.

what does jesus find? what was lost? what about strait gait, many v. few?

ironically, the few will fit through a narrow opening but many will not be able to negotiate even a wide opening.

you question "what is truth?" when the One who speaks John_14:6 is the same who was refereed to in John, v.13.3.
---aka on 12/6/11


John.usa do you honestly believe that? I ask only because, that is my belief.
But I believe it to the point that there is nothing you can do about it.
But even those who will not believe this or cannot believe this are not lost.
Even thought everything on this earth tells me, this just cant be.

Everything in my heart tells me, how it can be any other way.
It says why because you cant believe it. My answer is, I do!
God bless
---TheSeg on 12/5/11


Rob, do you believe the Bible is the Word of man, that it is part LIES, and that it is INCOMPLETE?

Then why bother with it? Just write your own version that always agrees with your own self-serving opinions.
---jerry6593 on 12/6/11


Francis, do you believe the Bible is the Word of God, that it is TRUE, and that it is COMPLETE?
---Rob on 12/5/11


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John.usa, you use John 13:3 without understanding who are "given ALL things to Him" even means. To you, "ALL things" implies everybody created, right? So, by your understanding that "ALL things" is everybody, please tell us if Pilate, Herod and Judas were given to Jesus or are they lost? And if they are lost, what then becomes the promise of God that "none shall be lost"?

Basically, you believe in the doctrine of "universalism" or the "gospel of inclusion" - which is definitely not the Gospel of Jesus Christ according to the Holy Bible.
---christan on 12/5/11


Christian, and further along in John, v.13.3, is says that the Father has put ALL things in Jesus' hands. If he loses nothing the Father has given him, then nothing will ultimately be lost. That's the real Good News! :)
---John.usa on 12/5/11


Jesus is The Truth, and when you have his Holy Spirit you have his mind and you have all truth. Others whom do not have Jesus are still seeking for the truth, but after the soul embraces Jesus, then it knows the ultimate truth and the souls' search for truth ends.
---Eloy on 12/5/11


The Father has already chosen before the foundations of the world whom He will give to His Son. And Jesus died for only those whom the Father has given to Him and the Holy Spirit will only regenerate those whom the Father has given to His Son. The Father, Son and the Holy Spirit works in perfect harmony with one another.

Jesus declared:

"For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of Him that sent me. And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of ALL which He hath given me I SHOULD LOSE NOTHING, but should raise it up again at the last day." John 6:38,39

Salvation is a promise and God does not break His promise!
---christan on 12/5/11


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What is truth? Will God lead believers into ALL truth?

While truth is found in the Bible, Jesus proclaimed that He is the Way, and the truth, and the life. (John 14:6) So if you find Jesus, you have ALL the truth you need.

As to individual convictions, one may believe he can eat anything while another believes the Levitical dietary laws should be observed.

It is the same truth as one my esteem one day over others, while others none at all Romans 14.
---lee1538 on 12/5/11


//What is 'truth'?
---John.usa on 12/4/11//

Jesus said "Thy Word is Truth."

Anything outside the Word of God is truth mingled with a lie.

The Holy Spirit is God's Spirit and we call Him Holy because God is Holy. Since God has and knows ALL truth, the Holy Spirit has and knows ALL truth.

When you get the Baptism of the Holy Spirit, He will lead you and guide you into ALL truth. That's what Jesus said He would do in the Gospel of John.

No, no human being has "ALL" truth. But the Holy Spirit REVEALS truth to us, it's not taught. "Flesh and blood hasn't revealed this to you Peter, but my Father who is in Heaven."
---anon on 12/5/11


What is 'truth'?
---John.usa on 12/4/11


John 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into ALL TRUTH:

If you do not believe that you denomination is the ONLY one with ALL TRUTH.
Then you do not believe the BIble. The holy Ghost will lead us to ALL TRUTH. If you do not believe that you are taught ALL TRUTH, then you must believe that some of what you are taught is some lie, some truth, but not ALL TRUTH.
---francis on 12/4/11


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He said He would lead us into all truth. But it's like being led through a beautiful forest > you can't step everywhere, all at once. We are still being led! (c:
---Bill_willa6989 on 12/4/11


\\the ears and eyes of most have been plugged up by Paul.\\
---barb on 12/4/11

So can we assume that you believe the gates of hell have, in fact, prevailed against the church?
---James_L on 12/4/11


"all" truth does not come until we shed this mortal coil. but, the Spirit will guide you there if you allow.
---aka on 12/4/11


Be very wary of anyone preacher who says his denomination teaches the only truth. Joseph Smith said the same thing.
---KarenD on 12/4/11


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Jesus Christ has ALL the truth and He came into this world to teach it to us but no one wants to listen. His eyewitness disciples have recorded the truth for us and we are guaranteed that His words will never pass away. Mark 13:31.

Everyone has been confused and confounded by Paul who preached the gospel of grace and faith and lawlessness.

"This is my beloved Son in whom I am well pleased. LISTEN TO HIM." Matt 17:5. Sadly, only a few can hear the voice of Jesus because the ears and eyes of most have been plugged up by Paul.
---barb on 12/4/11


The N.T. contains many things that were said to and applied to the Jews only, and also things that were relevant AT THE TIME.

Jesus spoke to the Jews in "figures" of speech, but today when we "HEAR His voice", His SPIRIT (not book text) will teach us clearly.


John 16:25
"I have said this to you in figures, the hour is coming when I shall no longer speak to you in figures but tell you plainly of the Father".

God's Spirit and truth are still relevant to us today. The Holy Spirit is the 'God seed', but the "anointing" can't take place if we replace it with human spiritual teachers.

1 John 2:27
"but the anointing which you received from him abides in you".
---more_excellent_way on 12/4/11


"Was He saying that to only the apostles?" No.
"To believers in general, including us today"
"Does anyone today have "all truth"?" No.
The depths of the truth is as infinite as The Truth Himself.
The "all truth" that is alloted to man is that which is necessary for man, the indwelling presence of the Holy Spirit, the Spirit of Truth. The truth that identifies and testifies of Jesus as LORD and Saviour. As He who has reconciled and redeemed mankind through His atoning sacrifice for man, and the impartation of His Christ, the burden removing, yoke destroying, power of God in the life of man. For that is the testimony of Jesus, the spirit of prophecy, that which glorifies Him.
---joseph on 12/4/11


What Jesus accomplished on the cross cannot be undone. God told the Jews that in order to be spiritually acceptable they would have to NOT VIOLATE any of the 'TEN REQUIREMENTS OF PERFECTION' (ten commandments)......an impossible task, but meant to show the need for the PROMISED MESSIAH (the "law of sin and death" was our "schoolmaster").

....simple acknowledgement that Jesus is the savior/messiah (Jesus is the 10 commandment sin "purifier", Hebrews 1:3) is neccessary so we are not rejected by God.

Every human being is responsible to seek out the creator according to each person's ability (some people cannot read, some live in war torn impoverished pagan countries with no "truth" at all).
---more_excellent_way on 12/4/11


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Cluny,
no. I don't believe "my church" has all the truth.

It's Southern Baptist, and I disagree with several doctrines - baptsim, their "eternal security", their "sinner's prayer", and other things. I go there because my other options are worse - Church of Christ, Methodist, and two off-the-wall Pentecostal churches.

But my question was not aimed at whether there is one church that teaches only truth.

Rather, it's aimed at individuals who say:

"Study your bible and the Holy Spirit will guide you into all truth."

So considering the contrasting beliefs represented here, is the Holy Spirit doing that? Or was that never a promise for "us" to begin with?
---James_L on 12/3/11


Everyone will claim, should claim that their denomination has all truth. Who would want to be ina denomination that does not have all truth, when all truth is available.
The bible gives a few tests to see if a church has all truth:

1st test: Isaiah 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

2nd test: Revelation 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here [are] they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

You must pass these two basic tests to be considered
---francis on 12/3/11


BTW, James_L, or anyone else:

Don't you think that YOUR church has all truth?

If you don't, why do you bother going to it?

According to Christ's own words, the Church that teaches ALL truth has to be out there SOMEWHERE.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/3/11


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