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The Seg, I have no idea why you said what you said to me, since I have only given the time of day. Since you said so much, why not put down what I said wrong? You did a lot of talk for no good purpose that I see. Don't just throw jabs and run. Be polite, I believe I answered you kindly all the time, so what in what I said bothered you?
---Mark_V. on 12/11/11


Lee: "Since Exodus 20:11 was written when the concept that a day was a 24 hour duration period, you may take it as written. However, the command is written to the nation of Israel and really has meaning only with them"

Do you also consider that the other nine Commandments were written only for that time period and solely for the nation of Israel as well? Do you now advocate murder, theft, adultery, etc. for today's Christians? (See how a false doctrine can lead you down many false paths?)


---jerry6593 on 12/11/11


The Seg Part 2: If everything you said is true, "there is no man," that includes you too, since you didn't say "except you". And since what you said includes you too, why should we believe anything you say? How can we respect your view if you are dishonoring God?
Then you close with
"Ye fools and blind: for whether is greater, the gold, or the temple that sanctifieth the gold?"
This must refer to every man alive including you.
And so why answer the way you did? What is your intention? I don't believe anyone deserved what you said. No one disagreed with you on anything. What set you off? It could not be the 23 hrs 56 min, and me forgetting to include the 4 seconds. So what was it?
---Mark_V. on 12/11/11


Warwick, I'm surprised at your answer, that God knew full well that Adam would sin,resulting in this 6,000 years of misery!
God chose not to know ,else why would He say He lamented at creating man in the first place?
To say He knew but did it anyway makes Him "complicit", an acusation that I don't want to be part of!
---1st_cliff on 12/11/11


Agreed!
If one wants to honor God, honor thy brother.
For no man can honor God, it is God that honors you.

People see everything backward. They think, they can say they honor it.
Because they say they do. There is no man that can honor it.
But even if a man be in Christ, Its still not he that honors it! But, it that honor him.

But, even as men say I try or I keep the law. They really dont see how they dishonor it.
Even when men take the time to see, they still dont see God!
Anyway God bless you mark.
You too Eloy!


Ye fools and blind: for whether is greater, the gold, or the temple that sanctifieth the gold?
---TheSeg on 12/10/11




Lee it has only taken me two years and many tries to get you to admit that Exodus 20:11 shows God created in 6-24hr days. Praise God for small mercies.

That you try to deflect the truth of this by trying to make it only about Sabbath observance is telling. BTW as I have explained I do not observe the Sabbath but decided years ago the idea that we have a day of rest, on which we worship God, and relax is an excellent principle.
---Warwick on 12/10/11


The Seg, two or three here were disgusing the specifics of hours in a day, so all I did was tell them the truth, Nothing wrong with the Truth is there? And yes, the approximate time is 24 hours in a day. Then Jesus quoted "12 hours in a day" which He didn't mean in a day but daylight. I'm not making a case for any side not even yours. Will it matter in the end? I don't thinks so. It matters to the SDA's because after telling you God rested on the Sabbath, they then can come over and bring the Saturday Sabbath. Which up to today, they have not been able to provide any passages that say that God started Creation on Sunday. All this talk is really leading to Saturday Sabbath. Just a smoke screen.
---Mark_V. on 12/10/11


//Let us look at Exodus 20:11 "For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy."

Using Scripture or the rules of grammar tell me why this cannot be taken as written?
---
Since Exodus 20:11 was written when the concept that a day was a 24 hour duration period, you may take it as written.

However, the command is written to the nation of Israel and really has meaning only with them.

The church has not been commanded to observe any day as holy (Romans 14) but some pastors wish to emphasis it as a mandatory Sabbath for Christian primarily because that is the day the money rolls in.
---lee1538 on 12/10/11


Mark, has there always been 23 hours 56 minutes and 4 seconds? No right!
You agree? So, is the length of a day, important? I just dont see that!
I believe 12 hours is more than enough light!

I believe Gen 2:2 is saying this is where I am.
Gen 2:3 this is My Holy Day Of Rest, My Sabbath!

Christ said where I go, you cannot come!
But, everyones running a race to get there.
Not even looking to see their own brothers needs.
No understanding at all. But, thinking they do.

I stopped running a long time ago.
I will never run, again!
Im not telling anyone to stop running.
i m just saying Im not even walking.
Mark, Im a nut!
---TheSeg on 12/10/11


Warwick, No short term memory, I notice you only answer questions that suit you! Did you not read Rom.5.12? No animals!
How does one "rule over" fish and wild life???
Antlers and horns are decorations??? Come on Warwick!
---1st_cliff on 12/10/11




Cliff you combine organized scepticism, scant Scriptural knowledge, and little understanding of God's knowledge and power. Do you imagine God, who knows the end from the beginning (Isaiah 46:10) was surprized by Adam's sin and the consequent fall? Do you imagine the Creator of everything did not plan for this? Do you imagine His plan fell apart when Adam sinned?

God commanded Adam "Fill the earth and govern it. Reign over the fish in the sea, the birds in the sky, and all the animals..." I am confident God commanded this, planning that man would husband the earth. However history shows fallen man has indeed taken control of the earth, and often in a disastrous way. What can't he destroy?
---Warwick on 12/10/11


Lee, You have written a post beginning //I do not observe any Sabbath as a religious obligation but as a recuperative pleasure//. I have no idea what you are on about.

I ask again, again again:

Let us look at Exodus 20:11 "For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy."

Using Scripture or the rules of grammar tell me why this cannot be taken as written? If you believe it to be poetry, allegory, or metaphor etc please explain why. I am asking you to explain your exotic view using only quotes from Scriprure or explanations via the rules of grammar.
---Warwick on 12/10/11


Cliff, short-term memory problems? We have been through this before. Scripture says only representatives of the 'kinds' of land-dwelling air-breathing animals went on the ark.

Nonetheless do you imagine God could not kill every human without killing any animals?

As Romans 8:22 says the whole of creation suffers because of Adam's sin. What part of whole don't you comprehend?

Scripture says humans and animals were created vegetarian. This whole mess in which we live is the result of Adam's sin.

I know hate answering questions but how about shocking me: Where do you say the fossil record is placed historically before Adam, or after his sin?
---Warwick on 12/10/11


Warwick, This is one time you're going to have to swallow your pride and admit you were wrong:
I said if creatures never died we would not be able to live on this planet!

You said God would not let this happen!

God abdicated responsibility of fish and wild life saying ""Adam, YOU rule over them"
One example of how you rule over Emus,Crocodiles,whales,sea gulls Etc.. or admit you are wrong~
---1st_cliff on 12/10/11


The Seg, I'm so sorry I forgot the 4 seconds. It was such a big mistake by me. I apologize.
I was not taking anyone side. I just want to make something clear, that the day does not have 24 hours, but 23 hours 56 minutes and four seconds. That was all. Sorry for not explaining it better to you.
Second, the evening and the morning making one day is more logical because it does not get into specifics. I believe when Jesus said there was 12 hours in a day, He was not been asked how many hours in a day, only that the day is His light while here on earth. And the day was running out because He was going to leave.
---Mark_V. on 12/10/11


//I do not observe any Sabbath as a religious obligation but as a recuperative pleasure

Being retired I can easily decide what to do or not to do on just about any given day.

However, the Sabbath command is that we must work 6 days per week - something I have yet to see any Adventists I have ever known to do.

While I do not intentionally duck any question, I have come to believe you avoid any clear answer that I have given probably in part because you wish to win some kind of argument with me.
---lee1538 on 12/9/11


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//Regarding Dr's Tang, McCabe, Kelly, Barr et al, (who all agree Genesis means 6 24hr days) are they also fools?
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I am not at all familiar with any of these people so am unable to comment on their views or the rationale from which they arrived at their conclusions.

Again our difference lie primarily in the fact I believe fully in what the Bible says not what it does not say.

And the Genesis record clearly does NOT specify the duration of the first creation periods.

Your problem is with yourself as you have some sort of mental block that prevents you from understandng apart from your pre-conceived prejudices.

Perhaps it is your background training not to question what you were taught to believe.
---lee1538 on 12/9/11


Lee, I do not observe any Sabbath as a religious obligation but as a recuperative pleasure.

Your ducking and weaving doesn't change the fact that God defines a 24hr day in Genesis 1:35 and applies the same "And there was evening and there was morning-the ...day. To every creation day. In Genesis and Exodus God says He created in 6-days. Deceitfully you say you trust what God says while rejecting this. Bizarre!

Regarding Dr's Tang, McCabe, Kelly, Barr et al, (who all agree Genesis means 6 24hr days) are they also fools? Man up, and answer the question.
---Warwick on 12/9/11


Warwick, You're still not thinking this through!
Certainly all creation suffers because of man's sin.
He could not drown the people without drowning the animals and birds!
Did the wales, tuna, sharks etc. drowned?? They are also creatures!
**Obviously animals**??

The animals were innocent bi-standers!
Why does a spider spin a web?
Why do anteaters eat only ants?
Why does a rattler have rattles and venom?
What's the purpose of a turtle's shell? or porcupine quills? Antlers, tusks and horns?
God created a living food chain, nothing to do with sin!
We no longer live in the dark ages!
---1st_cliff on 12/9/11


Lee: While your logic is good, are you sure it is logical to accept days 4-7 as having a set time (the rotation of the earth, or 24 hours) but the first three days being of uncertain length.

As God seems to like 'order', it would seem (to me personally)more likely He made all the days of the same length.

But again, this is a personal view
---Peter on 12/9/11


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Gen_2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.

The fact he spoke it created it, when he said:
And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made, and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

Not only means that it started, but that his work has ended, finished, done and this is where he is!
Joh_7:34-39,Joh_8:21-32,Joh_13:33-36

Heb_4:7Again,he limiteth a certain day,saying in David,Today,after so long a time,as it is said,
Today if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.
Peace
---TheSeg on 12/9/11


So, as stupid as I am, I see this so clearly!
If God, gives you a gift!
Dont go to your brother and try to show him the gift.

Leave there thy gift before the altar, and go thy way, first be reconciled to thy brother, and then come and offer thy gift.

Agree with thine adversary quickly, whiles thou art in the way with him, lest at any time the adversary deliver thee to the judge, and the judge deliver thee to the officer, and thou be cast into prison.

Joh_15:13!
1Jn_3:16 Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren.

Now try to correct your brothers!
---TheSeg on 12/9/11


//Let us look at Exodus 20:11 For in 6 days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested on the 7th day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.

Using Scripture or the rules of grammar tell me why this cannot be taken as written?
---
The 'days' referred to in Exodus refer back to the periods of creation that were later labeled 'days' in spite of the fact that the Genesis record does NOT reveal the duration for the 1st 3 periods of creation.

Am I making you doubt your faith in your religious upbringing by making you question the garbage you were taught and trained never to question?

Or did some evolutionist take you to the woodshed?

A hung-up on the Sabbath?
---lee1538 on 12/9/11


lee1538 let me clarify something a day has 24 hours.
But as Mark points out its 23 hours, 56 minutes but even he left out the 4 seconds.
But God say the evening and the morning were the first day.
So an evening and a morning must pass for it to be a day.
But, if you really want to measure time, Put on a pair of sandals
And walk in the desert for 40 years.

Warwick, it says:
Hast thou faith? have it to thyself before God.
So you asked me, if I believe. Yes Warwick, I know he did!
Now ask me how, I know! Do you believe it?

Can I tell you, what?
NT writers considered. No!
Consider this, Act 15:39!
1Jn_4:21!
---TheSeg on 12/9/11


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Cliff, Romnans 8:19-24 is all about the "whole creation" suffering in its "bondage to decay" because of Adam's sin. And its coming release through Jesus. Got that the "whole creation" not just man.

The price of sin is death and as Romans shows our sin affects the whole creation.

Genesis 6:6,7 " The Lord was grieved that he had made man on the earth, and his heart was filled with pain. So the Lord said, I will wipe mankind, whom I have created, from the face of the earth-men and animals, and creatures that move along the ground, and birds of the air..."

The wages of sin is death-man and animals. Obviously even for the animals which did not sin.
---Warwick on 12/9/11


Lee, don't make up questions. The real one was:

Let us look at Exodus 20:11 "For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy."

Using Scripture or the rules of grammar tell me why this cannot be taken as written? If you believe it to be poetry, allegory, or metaphor etc please explain why.

I can understand why you have ducked this question.
---Warwick on 12/9/11


Lee, you show the absurd lengths a demi-liberal will go to protect favourite antiBiblical views.

God creates "light' upon the earth bringing "day" and "night" "And there was evening and there was morning-the first day." Later God says "And there was evening and there was morning-the fourth day." But in your occluded thinking these are of different length because God cannot creat a day without the sun, and He lied about it!

God says you are wrong "For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day...."

Professor Barr, the full-blown liberal say you are wrong. Is he also a fool?
---Warwick on 12/9/11


The Earth was and is affected by the sin of man.
Gen 3:17-18 And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed [is] the ground for thy sake, in sorrow shalt thou eat [of] it all the days of thy life, Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee, and thou shalt eat the herb of the field,
Rom 8:22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
Not to mention animal sacrifice and the Flood.
Why do you think we need a new Heaven and Earth?
---micha9344 on 12/9/11


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Warwick, Check your scriptures again.Rom.5.12 "death came to all "MEN" because...they." (no animals) Adding animals is your idea not scripture!
**Whole creation Groans..** how does "groans" translate to animals dieing???
Wages of sin is death..when did animals "sin?"
Death is "man's" last enemy,not animals!
Now you're saying that God's "immortality" depends on where He was??? wow!
Do you ever actually analize what you believe? seriously!
---1st_cliff on 12/9/11


Can you tell me what the NT writers considered the historical foundation for His need to come and die?
1 Corinthians 14:38??
---Warwick on 12/8/11

I can.

With a marked trail leading back to Adams error you refer too.

Matthew 15:24
But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Romans 9:4
Who are Israelites, to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises,

Matthew 24:10
And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.

Offending seems to abound these days.
---Trav on 12/9/11


Blogger9211//Warwick, the reason God has rejected you is because he realized you were too bull headed to ever train to be an effective tool for him.
---
True and like his SDA bedfellows, believe one must have all the right beliefs (as defined by them), to qualify as a genuine and mature Christian.

Warwick wants to believe one must observe the Sabbath, whether it be the OT sabbath or the Christian Sabbath. Howbeit, is unable to point to anything explicit in scripture.

Likely, some evolutionist took him to the woodshed and he has had a problem ever since with anyone that may have ideas that may smack of evolution. He even refuses to acknowlegde that the Bible does not define the duration of the first 3 days of Creation.
---lee1538 on 12/9/11


TheSeg //How many hours does a day have?So then, remember.
1Co_14:38= But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant.
---
Warwick is not an ignorant person, we often get that impression especially when he ignores definitions.

The sun really defines a day.

(1:14)And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night, and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:

The more scientific definition for day is given in Websters dictionary = a unit of time equal to the Earth's period of rotation about its axis, measured either relative to the Sun solar day or the stars sidereal day

If no sun, then no day defined.
---lee1538 on 12/9/11


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The whole 7th Day was to be set apart to completely and uninterruptedly HOLY unto the LORD. But, the absence of stating that "the Evening and the Morning was the Seventh Day" does not mean that it was not so.
---Gordon on 12/9/11


Warwick, the reason God has rejected you is because he realized you were too bull headed to ever train to be an effective tool for him.
---Blogger9211 on 12/9/11


What makes me 'tick?' Faith in God and His word does, ...
You should try it.

No one erects statues to sceptics.
---Warwick on 12/7/11

May the migrations of birds gather upon your statue. Giving honor, in their fashion.
Eze 37:25And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant, wherein your fathers have dwelt,they shall dwell therein, even they, their children, their children's children for ever: my servant David shall be their prince for ever.

27My tabernacle also shall be with them: yea, I will be their God, they shall be my people.

28the heathen shall know that I the LORD do sanctify Israel, when my sanctuary shall be in the midst of them for evermore.
---Trav on 12/9/11


The Seg, I still don't get why you answered me with your statement. It has nothing to do with 23 hours and 56 minutes in a day. Maybe I'm missing something.
I believe Christ is the light of the world and never stops been light of the world. Also, through the centuries many forms of ways to explain things in Scripture changed. The writers lived in different times to each other, so the historical way to write changed also. I also believe that Jesus is mentioned as the Father is some passages. Other times He is spoken to by the Father, more in the New Testament. Concerning the light on the world before the Sun was created, I also believe God did that, brought light where there was none.
---Mark_V. on 12/9/11


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Seq, thanks for your comments. However I would appreciate a direct answer to my questions: "considering the 'bickering' may I ask you if you believe it is an historical fact that Jesus came and died upon the cross that those who believe in Him should not perish?

Can you tell me what the NT writers considered the historical foundation for His need to come and die?

1 Corinthians 14:38??
---Warwick on 12/8/11


Mark sorry! My comment to you was:
I would never nor could I ever believe Christ would stop being the light of the world.
But Christ in himself is the father. Period!
From how on Id add a stop line.
____________
Warwick
The truth of that is in every man!

If someone comes up to you and says the sky is green.
Will you argue with him, because its blue?
When the sky has no color!

That one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
Some can walk with God all their lives and not get the things some get in a day.
That simple

How many hours does a day have?
So then, remember.
1Co_14:38
---TheSeg on 12/8/11


I believe we are in the night of the day of rest.
I dont believe we are in the last days.
But in that last day, right before the morning.

I see God giving the gifts of the spirit.
But just look at some of the things, you do with it.
Most, if not all think they are teachers, all because God gave you a gift.
I think, if you were really a teacher, you yourself would see the folly in this.
I know, sometimes I speak as a fool. But thats ok too.

I see so many of you say things that are truly godly things.
But, when I ask, how many? You still say few.
Just shows me, how right you are!
Peace
---TheSeg on 12/8/11


Cliff, regarding Christ's immortality are you asking, as He was from eternity, while incarnate on earth, or as He is now, in heaven?

You are ignorant of Biblical chronology. Death of man and animal was a consequence of, and occured only after sin-the foundational reason why Jesus came to die. The wages of sin is death. Death is an intruder into God's "very good" creation. Indeed Scripture calls death the last enemy to be conquered. Man and animals were initially created vegetarian, and it was not until after Noah's flood man was told He could eat meat.

The flood epic shows man's sin leads to the wholesale death of man, and animal. In Fact Romans says the whole of creation groans in bondage because of the fall.
---Warwick on 12/8/11


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Lee, I believe God created in six days, "in a series of six days which were the same as the days of 24 hours we now experience" as Professor Barr says, acknowledging that is what Scripture says, and that alone. But you disagree with God's word and claim they were not everyday ordinary 24hr days but "creation periods." Please do not continue to evade the point, and supply a Biblical quote which uses "creation periods."

I note also that the Hebrew-Aramaic Lexicon of the Old Testament indicates that 'day' in Genesis 1:5 means a "day of 24hrs."

And while you are at it please explain why God cannot light the earth without the sun. Revelation 22:5 may assist you in your self-imposed gloom.
---Warwick on 12/8/11


Warwick//Where does Scripture use "creation period"?

For those of us who think it is easy to see that the first periods or 'days' of creation differed from the last 3 in that the sun was not created until the 4th 'day'. As such the term creation period is totally applicable.

As stated before, the Genesis account does NOT specify that the periods of creation had to be 24 hours in duration. I am unable to see why you insist that these early periods had to be of 24 hour duration when the record does not support that.
---lee1538 on 12/8/11


There IS an evening and a morning for the seventh day, just as equally there is an evening and a morning for the first day of the week. Watch and count the seven sunrises and seven sunsets upon each of the seven days of the week. The original hebraic day is actually two days. The day starts at the evening, from the evening on one day into the morning on the next day is one day. Therefore, Friday evening up to Saturday evening is the Rest day, and then from Saturday evening into Sunday would be the first day of the week. Each day of the seven day week, Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday, and then starting over again on Sunday has a maifested and measurable and tangible evening or night and a morning or daylight.
---Eloy on 12/8/11


Seq, considering the 'bickering' may I ask you if you believe it is an historical fact that Jesus came and died upon the cross that those who believe in Him should not perish?

Can you tell me what the NT writers considered the historical foundation for His need to come and die?
---Warwick on 12/8/11


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Lee you twist and turn to avoid the truth. Now you create a straw-man argument. Who says "says God needed 24 hours per each Creation period." He did not need any time at all because He is outside time but He chose to create in 6-days and ceased working on the 7th, commanding the Israelites do the same-Exodus 20:8-11.

Where does Scripture use "creation period"? I see where God defines what one day is and says He created in 6 of these, but I can't find "creation period" anywhere but in your nonBiblical ramblings.
---Warwick on 12/8/11


The Seg, I noticed you addressed me by name. What does what you said have anything to do with the hours in a day? I do not get it. I have no problem with what you said. But what are you implying? This way I can answer you. Peace
---Mark_V. on 12/8/11


Warwick, I've asked you many times to define immortality as it relates to Christ. After a while I just wrote the word to jog your memory and you asked "what's this"???
You say God showed A & E "graphically" after they sinned the consequences, where they needed to know "before they sinned" just what death was! (my point)
Having seen creatures die they would have full knowledge to make an educated choice!
---1st_cliff on 12/8/11


I still find it amazing that people argue about Length of days, churches, religions and beliefs.
Because they are so right!

Then I read:
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

When I remember Judah saying this harlot hath been more righteous than I.
Or when Christ, giving a true lesson in humility said let he who is without sin.

Maybe if I saw myself as even a little righteous, I could understand this constant bickering.
About who is right and who is wrong.
Because I am just, wrong.
---TheSeg on 12/8/11


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Mark, I would never nor could I ever believe Christ would stop being the light of the world.
But Christ in himself is the father.

And as a father myself, I remember my son first steps.
I was right there to catch him if he fell. My point is dont I have to let him go?
Because for sure if I carry him all his life, he shall never fall!

But Christ did go away, but said I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.
Sending the Spirit of truth, this is to guide us to all truth.

But more he said: for he shall not speak of himself.
But whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak.
But who really hear?
---TheSeg on 12/7/11


Again I say, that a day does not have 24 exact hours. The day has 23 hours and 56 minutes. Every day is four minutes short of 24 hours. The 24 hours is an estimate. So if someone wants to be precise there is no 24 hours in a day. The Bible is many times not precise in numbers. It does not have to be, because it was not intention of God to be precise. A day to the Lord could have been as a thousand years, but it could have been as one thousand and one years also, but never two thousand.
---Mark_V. on 12/7/11


Isaiah 40:28 God "...will not grow tired or weary."

Why the Sabbath commanded? Because "Even youths grow tired and weary, and young men stumble and fall," vs30.

Genesis 1:3-5 defines an earth day. God created light which brought about daylight 'day' and darkness 'night.' "And there was evening and there was morning-the first day." He tells us the two components of one day are light and darkness. Day begins at 'eveinig' in the Middle East, followed by 'morning', leading to the beginning of the next day, at 'evening.'

Evening and morning describe an ordinary 24hr day. If the lack of evening and morning concerning the 7th day mean it never ended, it also means it never began.
---Warwick on 12/7/11


//About God needing 24 hours. PLEASE READ AND ACCEPT GODS WORD AS IT IS

All you need to do is to point out ONE SINGLE VERSE that says God needed 24 hours per each Creation period.

Think of it! Either you or Warwick may be the first in over 2,000 years to be able to do that.

Opinions are not sufficient to prove anything.

It is a simple fact that God SPOKE His creation into existence, He did not have to wait 24 hours to complete one event and go to the next.
---lee1538 on 12/7/11


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Warwick: 'Lee, please supply Biblical references which say that the days of creation were not ordinary evening and morning, earth-rotation days. What we call 24hr days.'

I found only two possible cases that could be used, one in Joshua 10:13 (when God let the day be longer for the battle) and Isaiah 38:8 (when God turned the shadow back, which I would take to mean made the day longer)

Yes, they are minimal,but you being a very logical man will want to check those in case anyone uses them later!

Blessings, Warwick (no, I'm not arguing, I just found those two and am wondering about them!)
---Peter on 12/7/11


Blogger9211: 'Only John creation account of being instantaneously spoken into existence is plausible as it is consistent with the Big Bang Theory.'

But it isn't, for the Big Bang theory also implies a very long time AFTER the first coming into being

But we all must remember the bib Bang is ONLY A THEORY
---Peter on 12/7/11


Blogger, we have been through this before and the upshot was that there is only one crreation account in the Bible, and that is in Genesis ch's 1 and 2.

It is revealing and pertinent that Jesus the Creator verifies this one creation account.

The only tribal stories are those you make up!
---Warwick on 12/7/11


The purpose of God's 'day of rest' has not yet been fulfilled ---David8318 on 12/7/11

Isaiah 66:22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, it shall come to pass, that from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.

When will it be fulfiiled?
In the new heavens and the new earth ALL flesh will come before the lord every sabbath to worship him.
So in the new earth we continue as we do now to come before him every sabbath.
WHEN WILL IT BE FULFILLED
The fact that it is in the new earth means that it was NOT fulfiled at the cross!

If it was fulfiioled at the cross, and if it's fulfillment was in Jesus, it would not be in the new earth.
---francis on 12/7/11


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--David8318 on 12/7/11
Joshua 23:1 And it came to pass a long time after that the LORD had given rest unto Israel
Some believed that the "rest" spoken of by Joshua was the sabbath. Paul says No because Joshua continued to speak of the 10 commandments. Some hebrews were taught that Jesus is the sabbath, paul says NO we must enter the rest AS GOD DID ( the 7th day)

Paul is asking them to keep the sabbath. Because there is still a sabbath rest for the people of God. Those of us sabbatarians who enter the rest we do so AS GOD DID FROM HIS:

About God needing 24 hours. PLEASE READ AND ACCEPT GODS WORD AS IT IS
Hebrews 4:4 And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.
---francis on 12/7/11


As the first creation tribal story Genius 1:1-2:4a the l author had all ready made his points that Elohiym could Bara and was greater than all other gods and the reason for resting on the Sabbath there was no reason to describe day 7 any further. Besides the other creation account in Genius, creations accounts appear in Job 38:4 - 7. Creation Battles between deities Psalms 74:12-17, 89:9-13. Other creation accounts in Psalms 19:4, 104:2-5 and Proverbs 8:22-32. But in all God is responsible for creation. All old testament creation accounts are scientifically false as they are based on an Earth centered Universe. Only John creation account of being instantaneously spoken into existence is plausible as it is consistent with the Big Bang Theory.
---Blogger9211 on 12/7/11


'Why is there no evening and morning for the seventh day?' Because the 7th day has not yet reached its completion. The purpose of God's 'day of rest' has not yet been fulfilled- Gen.1:28.

That is why Paul encouraged Christians to 'enter God's rest'- Hebrews 4:9,10. God's 7th day is still ongoing. To say it was a 24 hour period which ended 24 hours after God's 6th creative 'day' is shallow and baseless- taking away the real meaning behind God's 7th 'day of rest'.

Does the Almighty God need a 24 hour rest break? Was God's 7th 'day' simply to set the pattern for a 7 day week? I believe God's 7th day has far greater meaning which involves the completion of God's purposes under the 'Lord of the Sabbath'- Jesus Christ.
---David8318 on 12/7/11


Jerry //Why is there no mention anywhere in the Bible that the first day of the week (Sunday) is the "holy" day of the New Covenant?

Sorry that you are so confused over this issue, but there is nothing in the New Covenant that commands Christians to observe any day as holy. Romans 14 is very clear on that issue.

Perhaps the New Living Bible would be helpful -

5-6 In the same way, some think one day is more holy than another day, while others think every day is alike. You should each be fully convinced that whichever day you choose is acceptable. Those who worship the Lord on a special day do it to honor him.
---lee1538 on 12/7/11


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As I mentioned before, numbers are many times not exact in the Bible. God was not precise in every detail of His Word. If He had to be precise in every detail, our Bible's could not contain all of His Word.
John 9:4,5 is not explaining a day and a night, "While it is day" Jesus meant as long as He was still on earth with His disciples. The phrase does not mean that Jesus somehow stopped being the light of the world once He ascended but that the light shone most brightly among men when He was on the earth doing the Father's will (8:12).
---Mark_V. on 12/7/11


Luke 23:54, It was the preparation day, and the Sabbath was about to begin.

This sounds like a Sabbath is starting in the evening.

John 19:31, Then the Jews, because it was the day of preparation, so that the bodies would not remain on the cross on the Sabbath...

This also sounds like it was an evening Sabbath. As far as I know, the Jews and Kararites have always considered the Sabbath starting in the evening.

I must be missing something here. Is the question proposed because the SDA don't recognized the Sabbath as starting in the evening, thus violating the Sabbath?
---Rod4Him on 12/7/11


"Why is there no evening and the morning for the seventh day?"

Why is there no mention anywhere in the Bible that the first day of the week (Sunday) is the "holy" day of the New Covenant?

The lack of information is not information, it is merely a blank slate for unfounded speculation.
---jerry6593 on 12/7/11


Lee, please supply Biblical references which say that the days of creation were not ordinary evening and morning, earth-rotation days. What we call 24hr days.
---Warwick on 12/7/11


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I see every day God created has an evening and morning.
So the seventh day must have an evening and morning.
Gen 2:3 because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

But Christ said something in John 9:4 and John 9:5
while it is day: the night cometh, when no man can work.
So I see this could be an evening and a morning.

In John_16:7 he says: It is expedient for you that I go away!
And he did, this is clear too. Act 1:9

So we must be in this night he speaks of in John 9:4!
And if so, is it a different day, outside the seventh day of his rest?
Because of Heb_4:5
---TheSeg on 12/7/11


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---John.usa on 12/6/11


I believe because, while Gen 2:4 on recaps the sixth day, Gen 3 continues in the seventh.
Gen 3:24 ...and the man was drove out...
A dark day indeed.
A reminder that the scriptures were not chaptered or numbered until the 2nd millennia AD.
---micha9344 on 12/6/11


Seq, the 7th day was just that the 7th day and all days whethere they be the 1st , 7th or 7 millionth have an evening and a morning. That is one of the definers of a 24hr day.

Exodus 20:8-11 shows it was an ordinary 24hr day.
---Warwick on 12/6/11


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whatever you guys post
just show your references verses.

Show a verse where new day of resurrection replaced sabbath, then compare to isaiah 66 22-23

If you do not think that the sabbath has evening and morning show yuor text

Support your believes with the bible

For SDA we believe that sabbath has morning and evening
Leviticus 23:32 from even unto even, shall ye celebrate your sabbath.
---francis on 12/6/11


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Dear Sir: I wish to draw your attention to the facts:

(1)Protestants, who accept the Bible as the only rule of faith and religion, should by all means go back to the observance of the Sabbath. The fact that they do not, but on the contrary observe the Sunday, stultifies them in the eyes of every thinking man.

(3) of all Protestants, the SEVENTH DAY ADVENTIST ARE THE ONLY GROUP that reason correctly and are consistent with their teachings. It is always somewhat laughable to see the Protestant Churches, in pulpil and legislature, demand the observance of Sunday, of which there is nothing in the Bible.

With best wishes,
Peter R. Tramer. Editor
---francis on 12/6/11


Where are the true Karaites?
---John.usa on 12/6/11


The most noteworthy of this passage (Gen. 2:1-3) is the absence of any reference to an evening or a morning unlike the other creation days.

This helps to confirm that these 'days' of creation do not primarily emphasize time, but development.

The evening and morning were indicative of a developing process, beginning in a rather incomplete state and moving toward light.

Twice in this brief passage we find the word, 'finished,' occurring. 'Thus the heavens the earth were finished' and 'God finished his work'

Obviously there is no need for development, no place for it. The work of God is complete on the 7th day, and therefore no evening or morning is mentioned.

-Ray Stedman
---lee1538 on 12/6/11


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The Seg: 'Why is there no evening and the morning for the seventh day?'

How do you know there wasn't?

Since genesis doesn't SAY Adam breathed, does it mean Adam DIDN'T BREATHE?
---Peter on 12/6/11


I don't know what the SDAs and other pseudo-Karaites would say, but for Christians, we are living in the New Day of the Resurrection.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/6/11


Maybe they were taking a day off for a rest (c:
---Bill_willa6989 on 12/6/11


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