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A Visit To Heaven Today

Does anyone here desire a visit to heaven to see Jesus? Why or why not? Peter said though you have not seen Him, you love Him which is true, but wouldn't it help us live a more Godly life down here if we saw and met Jesus in person? Your thoughts?

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I believe when we are saved we have met Jesus in person.

And through Christ we have met God our Father.

Would visually seeing Jesus help me live a more Godly life? NO, because Godliness is Christ in you living through you.
---kathr4453 on 2/8/12

To answer your original question, anon, remember that Christ was crucified by the very people who saw Him in the days of His earthly sojourn and beheld His miracles.

All but one of His apostles fled at that point.

And even at the very moment of His ascension, some doubted.

By the time of Pentecost, the some 500 people who saw the Risen Jesus had been reduced to only 125 still persevering in prayer in the Upper Room.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/8/12

Eloy you have said you'd move on before. No one is asking you to leave. That is your suggestion. It comes when you can't answer to the truth of the matter. Your visions of Christ are contrary to what Scripture teaches as many other things you say are also.
You are one that is smart and intelligent enough to help bear the load of witnessing for Christ yet you have become part of the weight.
Stay and share the truth or leave we will benefit either way.
---Elder on 2/8/12

I gave my true testimony of how the Lord answered my prayer and came to minister and miraculously heal me, which has also been documented in my medical records in Fresno California. And I have no care for them having unbelief. Now because of the antiChrist Christian-bashing and bad-mouthing here, I will redeem the time and move onto to the other blogs to minister Christ.
---Eloy on 2/8/12

Eloy no matter what anyone else says there is no doubt in my mind that you did see your god. The problem is that your God is not Jesus Christ.
This is proven in your continued confused posts and the fact that you have set yourself up to be a god also.
You have posted more falsehoods, lies and confusion on these blogs than anyone I have seen since I have been on CN. I have seen every person that is here now come here. You are the most misled and confused. At the judgement seat you and all those that support and post your views will have to answer for the souls you have led astray.
---Elder on 2/7/12

\\When my God Jesus came to minister to me in person, my whole room was filled with his bright light\\

This means nothing.

St. Paul said that even Satan can transform himself into an angel of light.

Did youm check for the nail-prints in this vision's hands and feet? These are marks of the obedience of the Son, and Satan cannot counterfeit them.

If youm did no see them, then youm are deceived and are in prelest.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/7/12

eloy, I can't believe you think you saw God. you are really showing your ignorance to many christians who know better. you can't really mean God is a tall white jew...with long hair. God said it is a shame for a man to have long hair. God help you.
---shira4368 on 2/7/12

Eloy, I will address you whenever I choose. I will certainly confront you when you preach lies and ignorance. Likewise, I would receive you as a true brother if you were to show true repentance and contrition before the entire body here at ChristiaNet.

There is indeed only one true Lord Jesus Christ but you are not His disciple. "By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another." Do you think you match up?

And what's this "dissing" nonsense? Were you born in the ghetto? There's no such word in the English dictionary, in the English language.
---Fenrisulfr on 2/7/12

Fenrisulfr, There is only One Jesus. Please do not address me until that you are ready to receive the truth I post, for your dissings acquire sin upon yourself.
---Eloy on 2/7/12

anon, every true Christian's heart should desire to see Jesus. For he is the Lord Almighty whom we worship.
---Eloy on 2/7/12

Nice misquoting of Scripture. What you meant to write was, "The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God." [Psalm 14:1 or 53:1, take your pick]. When Matthew 5:8 says, "Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God." He wasn't referring to "in this life." Otherwise, I John 4:12 wouldn't be saying, "No man hath seen God at ANY time." It was the Apostle John who said that, but you're calling him a fool. I'm quoting your VERY words: "The foolish one says in their heart, no one has seen God." Your VERY words. According to you, the Apostle John is a fool.
---Fenrisulfr on 2/7/12

Now, Eloy, you've said,
"I have seen my Lord in person. And yes, once you see him your life is never the same."

I agree, you have seen YOUR Lord. But your Lord will be cast into the Lake of Fire, prepared for him and his angels. "And no marvel, for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light." [II Corinthians 11:14]

You talk about seeing God, and yet you twist around the Scriptures of God?

You twist them because they convict you of sin. "If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?" [I John 4:20]. We've all seen how you deal with people.
---Fenrisulfr on 2/7/12

\\I have seen my Lord in person. And yes, once you see him your life is never the same.
---Eloy on 2/5/12\\

I don't doubt that youm saw yourm lord in person, but there is no reason to believe that youm saw Father, Son, and Holy Spirit--the REAL God.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/7/12

When my God Jesus came to minister to me in person, my whole room was filled with his bright light. He is a six foot tall white Jew, with long black hair reaching an inch and a half below his ear lobes. He has a short beard and mustache, and has very dark brown eyes which look straight through you to inside of you. He wears a long-sleeved white caftan, and a five inch tall bishops miter is on top of his head. And after Jesus finished ministering to me I looked up into his eyes and he looked down into mine, and I heard him say, "So this is what I made." And then he turned and he went through the glass, ascending back up into heaven to finish preparing all the dwellings.
---Eloy on 2/7/12

The foolish one says in their heart, no one has seen God. But on seeing God, Jesus says: "Blessed they of clean heart, for they will see God. All things were given to me by the Father of me: and no one knows the Son, except the Father, nor does know anyone the Father, except the Son, and to whomever will the Son reveal. The one that has my commandments, and keeps them, this one it is that loves me: and the one that loves me will be loved of Father of me and I will love that one, and will reveal myself to that one. If a person love me that one will keep my words: and Father of me will love that one, and we will come to that one, and our dwelling in that one we will make." Matthew 5:8+ 11:27+ John 14:21,23.
---Eloy on 2/6/12

no one has seen God and lived except when He came in the flesh and died on a cross for my sin and your sin. so when someone says they have seen God, I know it is a false statement..Please............when anyone says they have seen God, they are actually making a fool out of themselves.
---shira4368 on 2/6/12

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I have seen my Lord in person. And yes, once you see him your life is never the same.
---Eloy on 2/5/12

Aka, you are correct, to go and come back would really mess us up. One fantastic thing about our spiritual lives now is that we can now enjoy this spiritual life with Christ everyday. We can talk to Him, worship Him, sings songs to Him, trust in Him, speak of Him to those we hang around with. We are there spiritually but not completed there yet until glorification. We are in love already with Christ. And while we live we can enjoy each other.
---Mark_V. on 2/5/12

So before we come to Cluny's conclusion and agree with it, let's dig a little deeper.
---anon on 12/8/11

is this a serious question?

i do not have to go anywhere to see Jesus. that is the whole point of the gospel.

faith is not in what we see, it is in things unseen.

even if this were a possibility. to see jesus for a visit and having to return here would throw me into major depression.
---aka on 2/4/12

Anon, thank you for your answer. I do desire very much to see Christ in heaven or even here right now. I have many thoughts about our first meeting. When I do, I have to remind myself that in heaven I cannot think like I do now, many of those things will be gone. So I have to be careful how I imagine what I do. How He is One Person and how He will manage with everyone, which will be billions all at one time. How we will see our loves ones, and whether there will be many angels helping. But we know He needs no help since He is God. So many things to think about. How we will act, since there will be no sin, no jealiousy, pride, envy, lying, what will we do other then worship God?
---Mark_V. on 12/10/11

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//but wouldn't it help us live a more Godly life down here if we saw and met Jesus in person?//

I am referring to Born Again, Spirit filled believers when I ask this question. So please forgive me if I misrepresented this question.

Of course the Scribes, Pharisees and Sad-u-cees didn't live a more Godly live because they thought they were the "Righteous Ones."

I'm referring to born again, spirit filled believers when asking this question, what do you think now that I've clarifed that?
---anon on 12/9/11

Anon, I don't know what was wrong with with Cluny's answer from 12/7/. He said, "Did it help THEM lead a more Godly life?"
he didn't say "they were saved" So seeing Jesus did not make them live a more godly life. Living a godly life does not mean they were saved. He never said that. Many live godly lives without Christ, but are not saved. In fact the good they do is sin since it is without faith. He is right.
Now they didn't recognize Him as God, because of the reason you gave. They were spiritually dead and needed to be born of the Spirit in order to recognize Christ and for their godly lives to mean something to God. The flesh prophets nothing. I mean godly here, as good works unbelievers do.
---Mark_V. on 12/9/11

\\The Scribes, Pharisees and Saducees did NOT have the Baptism of the Holy Spirit\\
---anon on 12/8/11

The difference wasn't so much that they weren't baptized in the Holy Spirit.

The difference is that they had not seen the RISEN Christ.

Even the apostles were different after He rose.

Not secessarily a "godly" life, because there were quarrels between Paul and Barnabas, Paul and Peter, etc. and Peter was carried away into hypocrisy.

They counted death as nothing, and that is what motivated them. It was all because of the RISEN Christ
---James_L on 12/8/11

Cluny and Mark_V I think you're missing a few points.

The Scribes, Pharisees and Saducees did NOT have the Baptism of the Holy Spirit which means their spirit wasn't alive unto God, so they wouldn't recognize Jesus as their Messiah. Their spirit was DEAD when they saw Jesus.
2) We who are "In Christ Jesus" do NOT have the same attitude as the Scirbes, Pharisees, and Saducees. I have never heard a Born Again, Spirit filled person say, "We who are Righteous, we are of Abraham." They did say that to Jesus which exhorts PRIDE in them. God opposes the Proud.

So before we come to Cluny's conclusion and agree with it, let's dig a little deeper.
---anon on 12/8/11

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Anon, I believe that Cluny is right with his first answer. Those people that saw Jesus face to face did not recognize Him as the Lord. The physical eyes are not important to us believers when it concerns the Lord. The Holy Spirit testifies of Christ to our hearts. We have a spiritual relationship or union with Him. Not a physical one. The flesh prophets nothing. It will die. If someone needs to see Him to be convinced, they have the wrong salvation. Because look at all those who did see Him and that did them no good. "Blessed are those who believe and do not see."
---Mark_V. on 12/8/11

Does anyone here desire a visit to heaven to see Jesus? ---anon on 12/7/11

At these gas prices?
i will just wait until he comes to se me
---francis on 12/8/11

\\ I also point out that it could become a source of pride/jealousy between people before or after they see Jesus.\\

I heard a story of a poor old woman, a member of some henhouse sect, who despite her faith, was convinced she was going to hell because she had NEVER had a vision of Jesus telling her she was among the elect, as members of her church claimed they had.

Any questions?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/8/11

Hi, I love the idea, I do need to get closer to Jesus. Hopefully, too, I would be so in awe of our Lord and His home that I wouldn't be focused on looking around for my brothers!
---Mary on 12/7/11

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No, based on the story of the rich man and Lazarus. because of God saying "I have sent the prophets, they will not believe even if they see one rise from the dead" I also point out that Jesus says "blessed are those that do not see yet believe". I also point out that it could become a source of pride/jealousy between people before or after they see Jesus. You would also not need faith which is one of the three big three faith, hope, love. Adam and Eve still sinned and they walked with God daily literally.
---Scott1 on 12/7/11

The Scribes, Pharisees, and Saducees saw Jesus face to face.

Did it help THEM lead a more Godly life?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/7/11

I've understood, that God in us can make us the way He wants and have us do what He knows He wants > "for it is God who works in you both to will and to do for His good pleasure." (Philippians 2:13) And God has provided us with example Jesus people who share and show us enough (1 Peter 5:3, 1 Timothy 3:1-10). And we have Jesus Himself growing right inside of us as our personal example > "My little children, for whom I labor in birth again until Christ is formed in you," (Galatians 4:19) So, we need to grow more, if we feel not in touch with Jesus (c: The Holy Spirit can personally share and communicate with each of us and through one another (Hebrews 13:17).
---Bill_willa6989 on 12/7/11

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