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Yes Mark we have to be Born again for our nature is lost in the flesh we are sinners.

The HOLY SPIRIT creates in us a new nature by His prescence. This is a miracle from GOD.

The wicked die are destroyed in the lake of fire after the second resurection. This is what the Bible says.

By the way if they are already in hell why to they need to be resurrected to be put into hell?
---Samuel on 12/22/11


Mark V, Adam did die that day (yom) Strong's concordance says Yom= period of time , no one lived past the thousand year (yom) . Even Warwick says that to be 24 hr.day it must be followed by a number!
Nowhere in scripture does it say "resurrection of the body"
Jesus always used the term "resurrection of the DEAD" A "body prepared for hell" You are making up scripture..You are not as spiritual as you think!
"Resurrection of the body ,recieving a new body" is double talk!
I like you Mark, you're just on the wrong path, Merry Christmas!
---1st_cliff on 12/22/11


"...THE LIGHT SHINES IN THE DARKNESS ~ AND THE DARKNESS DOES NOT COMPREHEND (GRASP) IT." John 1:5
---Leon on 12/22/11


1Cliff, if a person when born is not sprititually dead, why does he need to be born again of the Spirit? He is not been born again of the flesh, since he is alive already. When God told Adam and Eve that on the day they eat of the tree, that day not another, they would surely die. We know they lived 900 somthing years, so it was not physical death that happen that day, so what was it? God does not lie, or makes mistakes. Believers, spiritually are resurrected already, for they are one with Christ, but awaits the resurrection of the body, for then he will receive a new body prepared for heaven, the old body decays, and the lost a new body prepared for hell, their old body also decays.
---Mark_V. on 12/22/11


Mark V, Now you cite "The dead will rise""
You said the spirit "remains with the Lord"
Just what is it that "rises?"
Definition Spirit=pneuma Gr.,ruach Heb. air, breath,wind!
God breathed into Adam's nostrils the "breath (spirit) of life, when he died that breath left him!
This breath (spirit) has no personality,shape, form,consciousness This idea comes from mythology!
It's not that I'm not spiritual,Mark, I just don't deal in abstracts!
---1st_cliff on 12/22/11




1Cliff, I'm not reading more, I read the context. You did not read the context. You want something to jump up and hit you. It has to be understood spiritually. All of Scripture.
Second, you said,
"We are not learning when a person dies, we're learning what happens "after" he dies.. answer =Nothing!"
Nothing because you do not believe in the Spirit of man. Again, this is a spiritual matter.
When a person dies, he body decays. His spirit remains with the Lord, since he is one body in Christ. That never changes. At the Second Coming, the dead will rise, not their own bodies which decayed, but their new bodies prepared to unit with the spirit prepared for eternity. Not enough space to put down passages.
---Mark_V. on 12/21/11


MarkV, You are reading into Eccl.9.5 what you want it to say. It says nothing about spiritual death,"the dead know nothing" correlates with Psl.146.3 "in that day their thought do parrish"
Same thing.
**When a person is born physically they are dead spiritually** is not found in scripture but is your "interpretation"
We are not learning when a person dies, we're learning what happens "after" he dies.. answer =Nothing!
He awaits resurrection.
To answer evrything with "Oh that's spiritual" is so much psychobabble,to mask the lie that people don't "really" die! (as satan told Eve)
---1st_cliff on 12/21/11


1cliff, if you believe in spiritual matters then you forgot to put your spiritual cap on. Ecc 9:2-6 is speaking of all descendants of Adam who are alive who are spiritually depraved, (dead). "This is an evil in all that is done under the sun: that one thing happens to all" When a person is physically born he is born dead spiritually. Knows nothing spiritual about God.
Your read the passages with the wisdom of man, and not by the Spirit. That is what I wanted to say to you. Every passage has something for us to learn. We don't have to learn that a physical person dies. We know that already.
---Mark_V. on 12/21/11


"...THE LIGHT SHINES IN THE DARKNESS ~ AND THE DARKNESS DOES NOT COMPREHEND (GRASP) IT." John 1:5
---Leon on 12/21/11


Mark V, Do you not believe Eccl.9.5?
Do you have a different bible?
Where do you read that we receive a "body for heaven or a body for hell"?
Do you receive this "body" at death? You read the bible , you should know! (where?)
It's not that i don't understand "spiritual things" it's just that it only happens in mythology!
You obviously don't comprehend "resurrection" you actually think it happens at death?
No Mark, it's not me, it's you that lacks insight!
---1st_cliff on 12/21/11




1Cliff, are you not a Christian? How is it that every answer you give has no spiritual connection?
Of course the body dies. The spirit does not die. You do know that we are going to receive bodies prepared for heaven and the lost prepared for hell? Don't you? If you read the Bible you should know. Maybe it is that you don't believe the Word of God period. Because all of your answers or questions are the same one's that unbelievers would ask or say. They are not understanding spiritual matters.
---Mark_V. on 12/20/11


No one seems to address the fact that whatever they believe departs the body at death,has a central nervous system (that feels pain)all the senses and some type of body made from ani-matter!
Can non existent matter be burned? What prevents their escape?
In mythology the dog with 3 heads (Ceres) guards the entrance of Hades to prevent escape!
Can you not see where this whole ,burning in Hades,comes from?
Only by twisting scripture it came in the back door of Christianity!
Eccl.9.5. "the dead know nothing!"
---1st_cliff on 12/19/11


"metaph. to devote or give over to eternal misery in hell"
Actually Samuel, Dr. Strongs never included this metaphoric view in His definition of the word. The online version of what is suppose to be his work has taken undue, unwarranted, liberties, and has done his name, and his inspired lifetime endeavor an injustice. According to his earliest recorded copy-write he defined the word "olethros" - as "ruin i.e. death, punishment, from the prim "ollumi" of the root "Apollumi" - to destroy-fully (reflex. to perish or lose) lit. or fig. destroy, lose, perish. From "Apo" - Which denotes a separation, departure, cessation, completion, reversal, etc.
---joseph on 12/17/11


Samuel, I don't know if you have a hebrew and Greek interpretation of words when you answer, but if you do look up the word destruction for the passage in 2 Thess. 1:9. The word is "Olethros" from Ollumi. to ruin,. Ruin, destruction (1 Cor. 5:5: 1 Thess. 5:3: 2 Thess. 1:9: 1 Tim. 6:9) the verb as such does not occur, but the comp apollumi (622) to destroy does. The fundamental thought is not by any means annihilation, but perhaps corruption, an injurous force, which the subj. exerts or cannot hide.
That is the definition concerning the word destruction in Scripture. In the dictionary it has many meanings. I'm not comparing words to the dictionary but to the Word translations of Greek and Hebrew.
---Mark_V. on 12/19/11


"Despite what you & a few others say against it, that's what the Bible teaches. Okay, bring the rebuttal! "
You have me mixed up. I do not argue. I share the understanding I have been given, to be received or rejected. I am ok either way. What I do, is willingly, and by the Father's grace, graciously, answer any question anyone has concerning anything I share. Although you did not ask a question, you questioned my statement concerning the wicked being taken out of existence by quoting (Matt.25:46). My response to you was a response to that, giving you my understanding of the verse, period. No more, no less. You say it is invalid, I say thank you for sharing your view. I make no claim of infallibility.
---joseph on 12/16/11


So Mark destroying or killing someone in a lake of fire is not a punishment?

Sure sounds like one to me. Also you say there is no place where GOD does exist. I agree with you. But in the Passage in I Thess. they will be destoryed from the prescence of GOD. How can that be unless they cease to exist?

Strongs def. to destroy

a) to put out of the way entirely, abolish, put an end to ruin

b) render useless

c) to kill

d) to declare that one must be put to death

e) metaph. to devote or give over to eternal misery in hell

f) to perish, to be lost, ruined, destroyed

The metaphysics one is the one you support. I believe the plain meaning the others support.
---Samuel on 12/16/11


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Okay, bring the rebuttal!
Leon

I agree we must be born again or lost. Many passages have been presented here. You ignore them. So first what passages agree with what you say?

Where is the words ever conscous souls burn in hell occur?

Strongs def. Damnation:

a decree, judgments

2) judgment

a) condemnation of wrong, the decision (whether severe or mild) which one passes on the faults of others

b) in a forensic sense

1) the sentence of a judge

2) the punishment with which one is sentenced

3) condemnatory sentence, penal judgment, sentence

3) a matter to be judicially decided, a lawsuit, a case in court

That does not match your definition.
---Samuel on 12/16/11


Leon,What scripture alludes to an "ever conscious soul?"

The opposite of a living soul is a dead soul. scripture has much to say about "dead souls"
---1st_cliff on 12/16/11


That's quite alright 1st Cliff. In the future in addition to using quotation marks and italics, I will try to remember to name the person I am quoting. I can see how it might be confusing or misunderstood. Thanks for bring that to my attention.
---joseph on 12/16/11


Joseph, I doubt it, but maybe you'll choose to understand this:

Jesus said to Nicodemus, "You must be born again." Nic thought he was talking about his physical body, but Jesus was talking about his "dead" spirit man.

Scripture says, we must be born again before physically dying the "1st time". If not, our ever conscious soul is thereafter lost & destined for hell at physical "1st time" death. Then, at the physical resurrection of the dead, lost souls die a "2nd time", end result being eternal damnation (conscious punishment) in the Lake of Fire.

Despite what you & a few others say against it, that's what the Bible teaches. Okay, bring the rebuttal! :)
---Leon on 12/16/11


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Joseph, Sorry for the mistake, usually a quote names the person, I'll try to be more aware!
Blessings
---1st_cliff on 12/16/11


Samuel, in the passage of 2 Thess. the words "eternal destruction" lit. means ruin. and does not involve annihilation, but rather a new state of conscious being which is significantly worse than the first ( Rev. 20:14,15). It would be kind of stupid for Almighty God to punish someone if they are unconscious. And He is not going to annihilate them, because you can never be hidden from God. "Where can I go from Your Spirit? Or where can I flee from Your presence? If I ascend into heaven, You are there, if I make my bed in hell, behold, You are there. If I take the wings of the morning, and dwell in the uttermost parts of the sea, even there You hand shall lead me, and your right hand shall hold me. (Psalm 139:7-10).
---Mark_V. on 12/16/11


Thank you Samuel. Leon I made no argument against the statement, I simply clarified it. (forever),"conscious" punishment, was your spin. 1st Cliff, what are you talking about? What insistence? Who's post are you reading? The italics in my post are comments made by another.
---joseph on 12/15/11


Because Leon Joseph is following the correct use of english. Eternal torture is a continuous action or punishing.

The second death is a punishment. The Bible also calls it destruction. 2Th 1:9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power,

GOD is omnipresent through out the universe. To get away from GOD you have to cease to exist.
---Samuel on 12/15/11


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Joseph, Why do you insist that a person has to be conscious to be punished??
Are you like these other sadists on here that think the bad guy has to be brought back to life and "smacked" just to teach him a lesson!
Wages of sin is death, gift of God is life. Only 2 options!
Something "literal" does not need defining, This "Means" the 2nd death, the lake of fire!
---1st_cliff on 12/15/11


"These will go away into everlasting punishment" This statement will get no argument from me. They will indeed go into everlasting punishment. He said nothing about everlasting punishing."

Joseph: HUH???! That's quite a spin (a whorl) you're try to put on Scripture. First, you say "no argument" then you argue against it! :) If what you say is true, how can a "forever" (everlasting) punishment be only "momentary"? Me think you really don't have a solid (right) argument & you're just grasping at your religion's straws! You'd do well to believe the Bible only & not the spurious teachings of your religious community.
---Leon on 12/15/11


Leon, those who "love and serve the Lord", do not need to know where the lake of fire is, as they are not going there.

Likewise those who reject God's existence and His forgiveness do not need to know where it is. They will be taken there. Sadly.
---Warwick on 12/15/11


"Jesus said (Matt.25:46) the wicked will go into everlasting (forever),"conscious" punishment, not annihilation."
"These will go away into everlasting punishment" This statement will get no argument from me. They will indeed go into everlasting punishment. He said nothing about everlasting punishing. When a murderer is executed, he receives the punishment for his crime. That punishment, naturally, is forever. However the punishing last but for a moment. Death is the punishment."Revelation doesn't say or otherwise imply the wicked will be incinerated into non-existence."The lake of fire "is the second death." What do you think that means Leon?
---joseph on 12/15/11


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Samuel, there is no mention anyone is destroyed in the lake of fire. The devil, demons, the false prophet, and all who rejected Christ will come to their final judgment and be cast into the lake of fire where they will be tormented day and night forever and ever. ( Rev. 19:10-20:15).
---Mark_V. on 12/15/11


Hades the place and the pagan god are destroyed in the lake of fire.

And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. KJV

NASB - Rev 20:14 - Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire.

RSV - Rev 20:14 - Then Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire,

ASV - Rev 20:14 - And death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death, [even] the lake of fire.

This is what the Bible says.
---Samuel on 12/14/11


1Cliff, I already know what all those places represent. You are thinking without your spiritual cap on. You are using literal places, I'm using what they represent spiritually. Jesus use of all those words whether symbols are images, does not comfort anyone who is a a rejector of the Truth. They can call it hell or not, there is a place where those who reject Christ will go. And let me tell you, whether symbol or not, it's not a place where you want to go. God will be present in His full divine wrath. He will not be cruel either, they will receive what God knows they have coming.
---Mark_V. on 12/14/11


Mark V, Hell (Heb=sheol)is used in the OT also and gives a better clue as to what it is!
Mentioned 65 times (OT) 31 times translated as hell.
31 times translated as grave. once as pit
,once as death ,never as a place of fire!
The English word hell does not mean fire,but comes from the Germanic word "hoelle" (hole) like hole in the ground!
Fire comes from the NT word Gehenna symbolic of destruction like garbage!
(Sheol Heb./Hades GR.=same word!)
---1st_cliff on 12/14/11


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1Cliff, I believe that most everyone knows that almost all the biblical teachings about hell comes from the lips of Jesus. The Bible describes hell as a place of outer darkness, a lake of fire, a place of weeping and gnashing of teeth, a place of eternal separation from the blessings of God, a prison, a place of torment where the worm does not die. I suspect they are symbols. But if you remember if these images are indeed symbols, we must conclude that the reality is worse than the symbol suggest. The function of symbols is to point beyond themselves to a higher or more intense state of actuality than the symbol itself can contain. So I find no relief in that they are symbols. We need to use our spiritual cap.
---Mark_V. on 12/14/11


Francis, Your answer reminds me of the Catholic "Assumption"
#1 God wanted it.
#2 God could do it.
#3 Therefore it was done!
Solves all the problems, no dialog necessary!
With this formula, do we really need a bible???
---1st_cliff on 12/13/11


\\Look at any documentary of the fire that has been burning under the oceans for as long as time can tell.\\

Carla, you don't actually believe that hell is in this planet earth, do you?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/13/11


Carla, There's no fire burning under any ocean.
There's no fire under volcanoes,only molten lava!
Fire cannot burn without oxygen and there's none under the earth!
Literal hell fire is a scare tactic used by false religions
to keep their members in line!
God is love...burning people is not love. period.
---1st_cliff on 12/13/11


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Francis, Man cannot go over 10,000 ft. without oxygen let alone 1,500 miles!
2' thick walls ,to keep the people in or keep them out??
--1st_cliff on 12/12/11
Matthew 19:26 But Jesus beheld [them], and said unto them, With men this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.


Francis, You believe that New Jerusalem is a real city?
---1st_cliff on 12/11/11
Yes i do believe thatitis real

Corinthians 2:9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.
---francis on 12/12/11
---francis on 12/13/11


Like I said many years ago on this site and was ridiculed... who cares..

I can not in anyway shape or form show you heaven( the eye hath not seen..)

BUT I can as SURE as HELL show you the lake of fire...

Look at any documentary of the fire that has been burning under the oceans for as long as time can tell.

google lake of hell and you'll fine a place where an open vast place fire burns with no fuel morning noon and night.

Look in the volcanoes and you will notice that all these places are located beneath the ground that you stand.

Look in the dictionaries and encyclopaedia and there is your visual documented evidence.
---Carla on 12/13/11


Johnusa, I appricate that you do not believe the Word of God as it is written, and that you just don't believe in the punishment of the wicked who rape and murder kids, and that you want them to get a free pass into heaven, but it is very wrong to change the Word of God just because you don't believe in it. Your paraphrased of what Ruth said, is very wrong. In fact she said the opposite of what you said. "Entreat me not to leave you" that means do not push me to leave you. "For where ever you go, I will go, And wherever you lodge I will lodge. Your people shall be my people and your God shall be my God" A far cry from what you said.
---Mark_V. on 12/13/11


To paraphrase Ruth: Do not press me to remain with you, or to follow you. Where you go, I will not go, where you lodge, I will not lodge. Your coreligionists shall not be my coreligionists, nor your god my god. -- The god who tortures will have followers who torture. Many of you are in danger of being such followers. It's a pity.
---John.usa on 12/12/11


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Francis, Man cannot go over 10,000 ft. without oxygen let alone 1,500 miles!
2' thick walls ,to keep the people in or keep them out??
**Eye has not seen** Nor will they ever see this impractical monstrosity!
Trouble comes when you cannot differentiate between literal and figurative!
---1st_cliff on 12/12/11


Francis, You believe that New Jerusalem is a real city?
---1st_cliff on 12/11/11
Yes i do believe thatitis real

Corinthians 2:9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.
---francis on 12/12/11


Francis, You believe that New Jerusalem is a real city?
New Jerusalem is 1,500 miles cubed, What place on earth can accommodate it?
1,500 mile high, many times higher than the space station??
Oxygen tanks on the elevator??
Stay with reality!
---1st_cliff on 12/11/11


Where is the Lake of Fire?
---Leon on 12/7/11

The lake of fire has not yet occured.

It will happen when the New Jeruisalem comes down from heaven, and satan and all the wicked attatck the holy city

When it occurs, it will hapen on the surface of the earth

Revelation 20:9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them. And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire
---francis on 12/11/11


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Isiaih the prophet pronouced WOE on many people
Isaiah 3:11 Woe unto the wicked!
Isaiah 5:8 Woe unto them that join house to house,
Isaiah 5:20 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil

BUT WHEN ISIAIH SAW HIMSELF IN THE LIGHT OF THE GLORY OF A RIGHTEOUS GOD HE SAID
Isaiah 6:5 Then said I, Woe is me!

when we get to heaven, and we see sin as it really is, compared to the holyness of God, we will understand the destruction of those who did not keep the law of God

WE MAY BE SAD
BUT Revelation 21:4 God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes, and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
---francis on 12/11/11


John, you ask if God is going to give you amnesia to not remember those you love, and a better quesion is, are you one of the saved? If you are, you will be happy in heaven, for there will be no tears. And please, do not believe there is atonement after death, nothing in the Bible to suggest that. Once we die, there is no second chances. A person has a lifetime of chances.
---Dan on 12/11/11


"...Will he [God] give me amnesia so I won't remember the people I loved, or will he harden my heart towards them so I won't care that they were destroyed?
---John.usa on 12/10/11"


I may be opening up another can of worms ~ sorry, I can't resist. :) The Bible doesn't say people will be destroyed in the Lake of Fire. It does however say they're "forever" punished. One must be conscious to be punished? So, what if they're eventually purged of sin in the fire, reclaimed into God's Kingdom, are made subordinate to everyone else & aren't given any heavenly rewards or authority ~ huh? There certainly is a hierarchy of angels in heaven.

Just using my God-given noodles to think outside of the box! :)
---Leon on 12/10/11


--John.usa on 12/10/11
Read as many of my post as you can. See how many times I have spent on christianet telling everyone to repent from their sin, keep the commandments of God. I give the same warning as found in the word of God.

Isaiah 30:9 This is a rebellious people, lying children, children that will not hear the law of the LORD:

Isaiah 5:24 Therefore as the fire devoureth the stubble, and the flame consumeth the chaff, [so] their root shall be as rottenness, and their blossom shall go up as dust: because THEY HAVE CAST AWAY THE LAW OF THE LORD OF HOSTS, and despised the word of the Holy One of Israel.

Ezekiel 33:11 As I live, saith the Lord GOD, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked,
---francis on 12/10/11


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Francis, your response shows you have a cold heart towards people who have done good things but didn't have their theology right. How will God give me happiness? Will he give me amnesia so I won't remember the people I loved, or will he harden my heart towards them so I won't care that they were destroyed?
---John.usa on 12/10/11


"Where? The lake of fire is a metaphor for the word of God that takes the wicked, and everything associated with it out of existence..."

Joseph: In grade school (50+ years ago) I was taught the Sun was about 96 million miles away from earth. Scientist today say it's now closer, i.e., approximately 91 million miles from earth. Do the math! :)

Your metaphor theory doesn't fit what Rev. 20:10-15 says is going to happen. Revelation doesn't say or otherwise imply the wicked will be incinerated into non-existence. To the contrary, Jesus said (Matt.25:46) the wicked will go into everlasting (forever),"conscious" punishment, not annihilation (termination, total destruction).
---Leon on 12/10/11


Francis, that's not a happy thought for me,
---John.usa on 12/9/11

It is the good news.
It means and END OF SIN!!!!

Your sadness will not last long:
1: You will be very happy to see an end of SIN
2: Revelation 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes, and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

This is not pleasurable for God either:
Ezekiel 33:11 As I live, saith the Lord GOD, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but that the wicked turn from his way and live: turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways, for why will ye die?
---francis on 12/10/11


Where? The lake of fire is a metaphor for the word of God that takes the wicked, and everything associated with it out of existence. Therefore the where would be in the mind, plan and purpose of the Father. To be brought forth by the breath of His mouth. "With righteousness He shall judge..., He shall strike the earth with the rod of His mouth, And with the breath of His lips He shall slay the wicked." Isa 11:4
"For Tophet was established of old, Yes, for the king it is prepared...., The breath of the LORD, like a stream of brimstone, Kindles it." Isa 30:33
"Behold, the name of the LORD comes from afar,..., His lips are full of indignation, And His tongue like a devouring fire." Isa 30:27>Hbr 12:29
---joseph on 12/10/11


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Johnusa, I love your thinking and wish you were right. And that all people would be save. But our ideas, thoughts and motives are not God's. From a human standpoint we would like a lot of things to be the way we want them. Our families not heading to hell because they reject the Truth of Christ. But this plan is not ours, but God's. We also wish none of our relatives or friends died, but God put the curse. Even that wish we cannot have. God has different purposes and different reasons that we could never understand. But I leave you peace as before, you and everyone.
---Mark_V. on 12/10/11


Francis, that's not a happy thought for me, knowing that everyone who loved and cared for me as a child will be destroyed, resurrected, and destroyed a second time, and my having to live with that through all eternity. It's not a happy thought at all, and not the Good News.
---John.usa on 12/9/11


When Jesus returns all who are alive and did not accept him will be instantly killed:

2 Thessalonians 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

they along with all theunrighteous dead will be resurrected 1000 years after the second coning to be cast into the lake of fire. ALL unrighteous people will die TWICE

Revelation 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

The unrighteous will DIE not live forever in eternal fire.
---francis on 12/9/11


Hey Leon, thanks for not questioning my salvation because we may not see eye to eye on an eschatological issue. A metaphor can say things more powerfully sometimes. For instance, 'it's raining cats and dogs' brings home the point better than 'it's raining hard.' Just a thought. We will all know exactly what Revelation is trying to tell us when the time comes, I'm sure. :)
---John.usa on 12/9/11


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"\\'Obviously, neither of you have a clue'.\\ You don't think...YOU have a clue about where the Lake of Fire is, do you? If you do, why did you ask the question? I agree with St. John Chrysostom...
Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/8/11"


Just because a question is asked doesn't mean the one asking hasn't a clue "Cluny"! I never post questions without knowledge of the subject. I'd be in big trouble if I had to rely upon some of the scatter-brained responses posted on CN.

Apparently, you think your "4th century" St. John...accurately knew of all the planets in our solar system, the number of solar systems in our galaxy & the infinite number of galaxies in the universe. Wow! :)
---Leon on 12/9/11


everlasting LIFE is just that... living forever!
Wages of sin is death, that too is forever..
Hell (sheol/hades) is the grave that too can be forever if you are not resurrected!
Where's the problem??
Gehenna (lake of fire) is figurative of total destruction (eternal) no one is conscious there.Eccl9.5
Consciousness after death is mythical!
There's life or there's death there's no inbetween!
To say God tortures humans sfter death is to label Him a "fiend"!
---1st_cliff on 12/9/11


\\Are you saying that you agree with the Seventh day Adventist church and that there will not be an eternal torture for the wicked?\\

Last time I looked, the SDAs taught that God will resurrect the wicked for no other purpose than to burn them up and annihilate them again.

Were that true--that Hell comes to an end--we would hear the singing of the damned in Hell, rejoicing the hope that their torments would eventually be at an end.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/9/11


"Hey Leon, all is forgiven, like it never happened. :) I see the whole book of Revelation as metaphor...it's more powerful that way. The Lord is going to put down evil once and for all. The lake of fire, whatever that represents, is part of the process.
---John.usa on 12/8/11"


Thx John! :) Okay, if that's how you see it. This clearly isn't a salvation issue, at least not for born again believers in Jesus Christ. But, does something seeming to be "more powerful" trump Bible accuracy? Since the Lord "REALLY IS" going to put down evil once and for all, why wouldn't He use very REAL resources, e.g., A REAL LAKE OF FIRE, to do so?

Again, thx for putting up with this cranky o'l truth seeker! :)
---Leon on 12/9/11


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MarkV //Lee, I'm sorry to disagree with you on the time the wicked will spend in hell. We differ in this one topic.
You said that, "their final place of distruction" that would mean annilition.

I respect fully others viewpoint on this topic as it is a peripheral issue that does not involve our eternal salvation or relationship to our Lord.

It does not seem at all reasonable that God would grant immortality to the damned or that He would be glorified in causing endless suffering to part of His creation.
---lee1538 on 12/9/11


Lee, I'm sorry to disagree with you on the time the wicked will spend in hell. We differ in this one topic.
You said that, "their final place of distruction" that would mean annilition.
Actually the most frightening aspect of hell is its eternality. People can endure the greatest agony if they know it will ultimately stop. But in Hell there is no such hope. The Scriptures teach that the punishment is eternal. The same word is used for both Eternal Life, and Eternal death. It is a suffering torment from which there is no escape. That is my view of course after reading all the passages and looking up the words concerning hell.
---Mark_V. on 12/9/11


Hey Leon, all is forgiven, like it never happened. :) I see the whole book of Revelation as metaphor. For me it's more powerful that way. The Lord is going to put down evil once and for all. The lake of fire, whatever that represents, is part of the process.
---John.usa on 12/8/11


Samuel//Are you saying that you agree with the Seventh day Adventist church and that there will not be an eternal torture for the wicked?
---
Martin Luther as well as others, even today hold this view while scripture does not exactly support this viewpoint, it makes no sense that God would desire one to be eternally tormented.

While only God has immortality (Timothy 6:16), I see nothing in scripture that states the damned will also be granted immortality before they are tossed into the lake of fire.

---lee1538 on 12/8/11


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I do not believe the damned will continue to be forever conscious.
---lee1538

Are you saying that you agree with the Seventh day Adventist church and that there will not be an eternal torture for the wicked?
---Samuel on 12/8/11


\\Obviously, neither of you have a clue. \\

You don't think that YOU have a clue about where the Lake of Fire is, do you?

if you do, why did you ask the question?

I agree with St. John Chrysostom that it is not in this physical universe. Would that make it any less real?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/8/11


"Leon, I'm not sure what I said to offend you, but I apologize.
---John.usa on 12/8/11"


John: Please forgive me! My comments were over the top abrasive & unwarranted. The snide remarks thing was regarding Cluny's comments, not yours.

May I ask why you believe the Lake of Fire is a descriptive metaphor in John's revelation? Is it not the same "apparently real" place that Jesus tells of in Matthew 25:41?

Again, I apologize for going a little nutso! :)
---Leon on 12/8/11


The Book of Enoch Chapter 7 verse 18.14 describes a placed called The End of Heaven and Earth described as the prison of the Stars and Hosts of Heaven.

In Enoch Chapter 8 verse 21.7 there is a place decribed as a burning abyss, where the angel Uriel explains to Enoch that the burning abyss is the Prison of the Angels.

This prison for the angels corresponds to the saying of Jesus Himself

Matt 25:41 "Then He will also say to those on His left, Depart from Me, accursed ones, into the eternal fire which has been prepared for the devil and his angels"
---Mark_Eaton on 12/8/11


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Leon, I'm not sure what I said to offend you, but I apologize.
---John.usa on 12/8/11


For those not with Christ, no place was found for them except in the presence of God Himself at the Great White throone judgment.

Revelation 20:11 Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. From his presence earth and sky fled away, and no place was found for them.

20:15 And if anyones name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.

The lake of fire I believe is the final place of destruction of those who were not predestined to salvation.

As God created the universe (and that not in 6 days of creation), a good place would be on one of the hottest stars.

I do not believe the damned will continue to be forever conscious.
---lee1538 on 12/8/11


Outside of heaven.
---Eloy on 12/8/11


Cluny & John: You guys probably would've done better if I had asked "Where's Waldo?". Obviously, neither of you have a clue. So, why torture yourselves. Instead, why don't the two of you sit this one out & leave the responses to persons who have something positive & worthwhile to contribute. Your snide (pseudo-intellectual) remarks aren't welcome nor appreciated.
---Leon on 12/8/11


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\\The lake of fire is nowhere. It's a metaphor.
---John.usa on 12/8/11\\

Then for what is it a metaphor?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/8/11


Leon, in the other blog of hell you did not tell us your secret answer where hell was at, so maybe here you can give us your answer where hell is at. you seem to want to know what others think, and when they answer pro or against you didn't like the answers, because you seem to have the answer and don't want to share it with us. John seems to think it is a metaphor, because he believes that every single person is going to be saved, so do you believe as he does? Is that the secret?
---Dan on 12/8/11


A similar question was asked here not too long ago: Where is hell?

I will give the same answer I gave then, which was quoting the words of St. John Chrysostom:

"You ask where hell [substitute "lake of fire"] is, but why do you want to know? In my opinion, it is nowhere in this physical universe at all. But let us seek to learn not where it lies hidden, but learn how to avoid it."

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/8/11


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