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While discussing a news person who is Mormon, one of his "worshipers" said that the man was a born-again Mormon. I laughed and said there was no such thing. Can you be born again and remain a Mormon?

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//but knew if He told them from the beginning He was the Son of
God many would not understand//
Sorry about the miscommunication.
How did John know who would and who wouldn't understand?
---michael_e on 1/16/12


Michael e, how did John know He was the Son of God, I ask you: How do you know He is the Son of God? By faith which is given to all born of the Spirit through regeneration as a gift. The none-believers knew about the "utterance of God", but didn't know the Word of God was Christ Jesus. In the beginning "was" the verb highlights the eternal pre-existance of the Word i.e, Jesus Christ. Before the universe began, the Second Person of the Trinity always existed, He always was (8:58) The Word, as the Second Person of the Trinity was in intimate fellowship with God the Father throughout all eternity. He willingly gave up His heavenly status, taking the form of a man, to die on the Cross (Isa. 6:1-13: 12:41: 17:5).
---Mark_V. on 1/16/12


//John wanted to introduce the Son of God but knew if He told them from the beginning He was the Son of God many would not understand so he begin with the Word.//
Could you explain "How John Knew"?
---michael_e on 1/15/12


James 2: In the gospel of John, John wanted to introduce the Son of God but knew if He told them from the beginning He was the Son of God many would not understand so he begin with the Word. Something everyone could understand because God's Word, "His utternance" they understood. So he presented first, "the Word was with God and the Word was God." but later John, in (v.1:34) then introduces who He was talking about, "And I have seen and testified that this is the Son of God" That is the reason the "Word" is used in (John 1:1). But the Word was always the Son of God.
---Mark_V. on 1/13/12


James L, Christ never became a Son. His always been the Son of God. The Father has always been the Father from eternity. He never became a Father. Jesus says He came from Heaven. Christ became Jesus incarnated. He was already God the Son. Now He was Jesus Christ. The name Jesus was given to Him at birth. In (Isa. 9:6) Christ is declared to be not only "mighty God" but also "everlasting Father" or, better translated, "Father of eternity" The name Jehovah is frequently given to Christ as well as to God the Father and the Holy Spirit which is another assertion of eternity, for this title is defined as referring to the eternal "I Am" (Exo. 3:14). All things were created by Him.
---Mark_V. on 1/13/12




\\The WORD is God. The WORD is eternal. The WORD became flesh in Jesus Christ and became the "son" or "heir" of God.\\
---JackB on 1/4/12

JACK B,
AMEN ! ! !
crowned with glory and honor because He suffered death (Heb 2:9), and He inherited a more excellent name (Heb 1:4)


Mark V,
"Son" does not describe the essence of Christ, it describes His position. You will utterly fail at trying to show any scripture about an eternal Son because He wasn't the Son until His baptism.

Why does scripture say that the Father is greater than the Son?

Where does scripture say the Son became flesh?
---James_L on 1/12/12


I haven't been here in awhile - but I had to check in and see if anything has changed. Judging from some of the answers I've seen here - nothing has changed. Pity.

When Mormons are baptized we are "born again" as Jesus describes in John 3:3-5. I suppose that would make it possible to be a "Born again Mormon".

I also want to speak to the claim that the LDS do not study from the Bible. That is a complete lie. Our course of study in our Sunday School classes last year was the New Testament. The year before that? The Old Testament. This year is the Book of Mormon.
---HappyLDS on 1/12/12


francis, I don't know why you would ask "who's voice it it?" implying that the voice of Jesus is the voice of Michael the archangel in (1 Thess. 4:16). What the passage is saying is that when Christ comes, he is coming with angels, for angels always accompany Christ in His judgment (Matt. 13:41,49:24:30,31: 25:31: Rev. 14:14,15), and among them will be an archangel and his voice will be heard. Many do believe it is Michael, but others believe it is Gabriel. For ( 2 Thess.) tells us "and to give you who are troubled rest with us when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with His might angels, in flaming fire taking vengence on those who do not know God, and those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ"
---Mark_V. on 1/12/12


Do SDA's really believe that Christ was Michael incarnate and not God himself?

If that is true, then God isnt their savior. An angel is.
---JackB

We believe that JESUS is GOD the Son of the Trinity. We believe that a title for him was head of all the angels in the Old Testament.

Why are people attacking SDA on a topic about Mormons?
---Samuelbb7 on 1/10/12


//Synergism? A Christian-Muslim, a Hindu Atheist, a joyfull sad person, a born again Mormon.

How about a Christians gangster? Many American gangster continued to go to church, do penance, and even give money to the church.

Agree that there are many other denominations that worship a different Jesus and proclaim a different gospel than what we see in the Bible.

But it seems that only those that are into the Bible have eyes that can see that.

Mormons, seldom read the Bible, preferring instead to read the writings of their prophets. My cousin's wife knows very little about the Bible and hopefully she will continue to read what I sent her - Grudem's Systematic Theology, an Intro to Biblical Doctrine.
---lee1538 on 1/9/12




Synergism? A Christian-Muslim, a Hindu Atheist, a joyfull sad person, a born again Mormon.
The Mormon Jesus is entirely different than the authentic Son of God. They believe that He was only a man - Lucifers Brother, that the Father was once also a man that did well on another planet, who was then promoted to God hood, and you can be too.
Christians believe in one God, three persons (eternal omnipotent), that being the Father, Son Jesus, and the Holy Spirit. And that a person can be saved by putting ones confidence in Jesus Christ to save oneself.
---Glenn on 1/8/12


Wow no wonder. That is way out there, Francis
---CraigA on 1/6/12


Do SDA's really believe that Christ was Michael incarnate and not God himself?

If that is true, then God isnt their savior. An angel is.
---JackB on 1/6/12


And does the SDA still teach that Jesus was Michael the Archangel?
---Cluny on 1/5/12
NO ONE EXCEPT THE SDA WILL ANSWER

Can anyone tell me whose VOICE raises the dead?

John 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear HIS VOICE, And shall come forth

1 Thessalonians 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the VOICE OF THE ARCH ANGEL, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:


IS IT MICHAEL THE ARCHANGEL'S VOICE, or is it THE VOICE OF JESUS THE SON FO GOD?
---francis on 1/5/12


\\Ellen G. White wrote to many of our founders who believed that JESUS was created. \\

Does this include her own husband?

And does the SDA still teach that Jesus was Michael the Archangel?
---Cluny on 1/5/12


Ellen G. White wrote to many of our founders who believed that JESUS was created. She fought against the doctrine and pushed for the proper understanding that from all time the Three were GOD. She occasionally misued some words but she fought and won to establish the trinity belief in the Seventh day Adventist church.
---Samuel on 1/5/12


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Deut. 18:22

When a prophet speaketh in the name of the Lord, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the Lord hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously, thou shalt not be afraid of him.


This woman did not have one failed prophecy, she had dozens. She claimed angels spoke to her. Why would she need that if she had the Spirit of Christ living within her? We are told the Spirit is our teacher - not man and certainly now angels.

The topic isnt Nathan, its Ellen. Nathan repented.
---JackB on 1/5/12


The Old Testament is very clear. A true prophet of the Lord is NEVER wrong!

---JackB on 1/4/12
2 Samuel 7:3 And Nathan said to the king, Go, do all that is in thine heart, for the LORD is with thee

Was Nathan RIGHT or WRONG?
Was Nathan a true prophet of God?
---francis on 1/5/12


Jack, the question is not the Word of God. The question is, does she believe in the Eternal Begotten Son of God? He did not become the Son, He has always been the Son from all Eternity. Mormons and Jehovah witnesses believe He became a Son at His birth. They have the wrong son. Christ the Son is mentioned all over the Old T. His Deity is the same as the Fathers and the Holy Spirit.
It is evident that Christ is declared by the Scriptures to be eternal, ( Micah 5:2: John 8:58: Col. 1:16,17). He is the uncaused cause, the self-existent One. And as Creator of all things, He Himself must be uncreated (John 1:1-3: Col. 1:16,17). All attributes of the Father belong to the Son.
---Mark_V. on 1/5/12


18. The Gift of Prophecy:
One of the gifts of the Holy Spirit is prophecy. ... As the Lord's messenger



The Old Testament is very clear. A true prophet of the Lord is NEVER wrong! This woman was not a prophet of God.
---JackB on 1/4/12


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"through the word of God which lives and abides forever" She says He is not eternal---MarkV

He/she has never once said the Word is not eternal.

The WORD is God. The WORD is eternal. The WORD became flesh in Jesus Christ and became the "son" or "heir" of God. He has been GIVEN power and authority over this world. (Matt 28:18). Yes - given! He even used the word. He is Gods heir/son to this world. It is the only way we can have a relationship with the Father. We are hidden in the Son.

God does not live within the boundaries of space and time. I think you keep forgetting that.
---JackB on 1/4/12


Lee you gave you disagreement in a way that does not upset me. I disagre with your interpretation but you did not attack and disparage us. Now in our history some have elevated EGW too high. Statement 17 is that today there are still the gifts of the Holy Spirit in the church. Do you believe that the Holy Spirit no longer operates in the church.

18. The Gift of Prophecy:
One of the gifts of the Holy Spirit is prophecy. ... As the Lord's messenger, her writings are a continuing and authoritative source of truth which provide for the church comfort, guidance, instruction, and correction. They also make clear that the Bible is the standard by which all teaching and experience must be tested.

The sop must be tested by the Bible.
---Samuel on 1/4/12


At the corner diner I was talking to M. Brown in the which is a morman. I asked him, are you morman people trinity people & he said yes. I said to him, believe it or not, then the morman's Are All part of here, Rev. 17 v's 4 - 6. I hope he realizes it before it's to late.
---Lawrence_Nemeth on 1/4/12


//As is the pathetic belief by the LDS that Jerusalem is in Branson Missouri.
---larry on 1/2/12

I really like the view found in the Book of Mormons that God never changes. I then quoted to my cousin's wife what Brigham Young and some of their other prophets believed that God was once a man and achieved godhood. She has yet to give me an answer.

I read the Book of Mormons and tend to believe it was largely a novel written by Solomon Spaudling, a Methodist minister in an attempt to acquire some badly needed money.

While we do not recognize the testimony of cultists, I still wonder if the barrier they have erected is high enough to keep the Lord's Spirit from them.
---lee1538 on 1/2/12


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You can't be born again if you don't Christ is who he is.
God once with a wife, Jesus once a brother of Satan as an angel and other nonsense are blasphemous. As is the pathetic belief by the LDS that Jerusalem is in Branson Missouri.
---larry on 1/2/12


Samuel //Mormons LDS replace the Bible with their own books as being above the Bible. This is always wrong.
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I know you are sensitive to any criticism one may have of Adventism, but you may want to view the fact that Adventism has put the writings of Ellen White on the same level with the Bible.

Read Article 17 & 18 of the Fundamental Beliefs.

These articles FORCE an interpretation onto scripture and denies the possibility of other viewpoints that can be defended.
---lee1538 on 1/2/12


Two things are called the Word of GOD on this earth. JESUS CHRIST and the Bible.

Both are of human and divine nature. Both will last forever. One reveals the other so we can have fellowship with GOD.

Mormons LDS replace the Bible with their own books as being above the Bible. This is always wrong.
---Samuel on 1/2/12


Lee, thank you for explaining the passages in ( 1 peter 1:23,24 ) which are quotes from (Isa. 40:6-8). Kathr wants to tell us that the word here in (v.23) is Christ. Completely contradicting what she believes that the Son of God is not eternal but created. If we are to believe her now, the passages states, "through the word of God which lives and abides forever" She says He is not eternal, and here she says the word means Christ and abides forever. The passage really says that the Spiritual life inplanted by the Holy Spirit uses the word to produce life, for it is the truth of the gospel that saves (Rom.10:17).
---Mark_V. on 1/1/12


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1 Peter 1:22-25 NLT You were cleansed from your sins when you obeyed the truth, so now you must show sincere love to each other as brothers and sisters, love each other deeply with all your heart.

For you have been born again, but not to a life that will quickly end. Your new life will last forever because it comes from the eternal, living word of God.

As the Scriptures say, People are like grass, their beauty is like a flower in the field.
The grass withers and the flower fades. But the word of the Lord remains forever,

Kathr, it is a matter of interpretation or what you chose to read into the text.
---lee1538 on 12/29/11



1 Peter 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

The SEED = Christ
WORD = Christ


1 Peter 1:24 For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away:

1 Peter 1:25 But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.

These verses are so profound as to what Born Again really means.

Gospel = Jesus Christ
---kathr4453 on 12/29/11


StrongAxe //It is impossible to subjectively distinguish a warm fuzzy feeling God gives you about seeing the truth from a similar feeling Satan gives you to convince you of a lie. This is the danger of relying on subjective feelings.

Totally agree and one major argument I used in a dialogue with my Mormon relative.

If you are going to debate with Mormons, strongly suggest you obtain a copy of "Mormonism 101" by Bill McKeever & Eric Johnson. It is well documented as to what Mormons believe.

One thing that really impressed me is that much of the Book of Mormons supports traditional Christian beliefs, much of that being totally contrary to the teachings of Mormon prophets.
---lee1538 on 12/28/11


lee1538:

It is impossible to subjectively distinguish a warm fuzzy feeling God gives you about seeing the truth from a similar feeling Satan gives you to convince you of a lie. This is the danger of relying on subjective feelings.
---StrongAxe on 12/27/11


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The Mormon challenge is to pray to God to see if He will confirm that the Book of Mormon is the word of God. if one experiences a warmth feeling in the chest, that is the confirmation from the Holy Spirit. And some may identify that feelings as their born-again experience.

I read the Book of Mormons and most of it reflects the doctrine of the Bible. Only the book of Moroni seems to have been written by another author. However, there are several problems found in the Book of Mormons that conflicts with the teachings of their prophets.
---lee1538 on 12/23/11


Rapture used to refer to the Second Coming as I agree with. It has taken on a new meaning today.

Mormons The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter day Saints used to say they were the only true Christians. They have dropped that publicaly. But they are still the only ones that can become gods.

Their bibles are placed as a higher autoirity then the true Bible.

I will let GOD judge the heart of all. But the doctrine of the LDS is not a christian doctrine.
---Samuel on 12/22/11


Rob:

The reason Mormon commercials speak about being Mormons and not about being Christians is that they are typically aimed at people who are ALREADY Christians (either by belief, or nominally by upbringing), and not much at total unbelievers, Hindus, pagans, etc.
---StrongAxe on 12/21/11


The Light among peoples, I AM The Resurrection and The Life.
---johannes_estonia on 12/21/11


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kathr4453//LeeJ, did I understand you correctly??? You believe in the Rapture??
---
Maybe not in the popular view of the term (i.e. the Left Behind scenario), but I do believe Christ will come again to gather His people both dead and alive.

1 thess. 4:15f For this we declare to you by a word from the Lord, that we who are alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, will not precede those who have fallen asleep. For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the sound of the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive, who are left, will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, ...
---lee1538 on 12/21/11


Probably when the rapture occurs, the small number of people that will disappear will not even be missed.
---lee1538 on 12/20/11

LeeJ, did I understand you correctly??? You believe in the Rapture??
---kathr4453 on 12/20/11


Rob //In these commercials, they do not talk about CHRIST, they do not talk about SALVATION, and they do not say they are CHRISTIAN, but they do say they are MORMON.
---
Yes, and we may add that their commercials as well as their other efforts truly bring results as the Mormon membership has doubled to 13 millions from 1945.

More than 300,000 Mormon converts are won every year, mainly from Christian churches. It is estimated that if the present trend continues, there could be 265 million Mormon members worldwide by the year 2080. (Source: AMG's Encyclopedia of World Religions, Cults & the Occult, page 518)

Probably when the rapture occurs, the small number of people that will disappear will not even be missed.
---lee1538 on 12/20/11


In the area where I live there are television commercials with people telling about themselves.

In these commercials, they do not talk about CHRIST, they do not talk about SALVATION, and they do not say they are CHRISTIAN, but they do say they are MORMON.
---Rob on 12/19/11


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KarenD, If a mormon becomes born-again, then they will leave their mormonism to serve Christ.
---Eloy on 12/19/11


My pearls are not cast in front of dissers: my pearls are received by the fields that are white.
---Eloy on 12/19/11


Eloy, I was and still ready to her what you have to say about your contradictions. Since you avoid answering, I can assume you really have no answer to the questions I had ask you. I cannot for the good of those who read, say something to others that is not true so I cannot say what you want me to say. But if you repent to the Lord and ask for His forgiveness for even comparing your suffering over His on the cross for the sins of others, and the suffering of Job, then I will speak on your behalf. Otherwise how can I tell others that you are right when you are wrong?
---Mark_V. on 12/17/11


Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations.
For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs.
Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not,and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him.
Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up:for God is able to make him stand.
Read on!

The things which are impossible with men are possible with God.

Not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father:
for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.
---TheSeg on 12/18/11


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Eloy:


The phrase "blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord" (or slight variants) are mentioned in Psalm 118:26, Matthew 21:9, 23:39, Mark 11:9-10, Luke 13:35, 19:38, John 12:13.

In all of these contexts, "he who comes in the name of the Lord" always refers to Jesus, or to a king. It is never used in any other context (for example, to refer to an individual, like Eloy).

We repeatedly ask how born-again believers cannot sin, yet YOU YOURSELF fell away after being born again the first time. We are not asking for more preaching, but challenging what you HAVE ALREADY SAID because it does not make sense, and you cannot seriously expect ANYONE to believe self-constradictory testimony.
---StrongAxe on 12/18/11


Eloy - truth is much liken to beauty, namely that it is really in the eye of the beholder.

While your wife may be beautiful in your eyes, she may be viewed as an ugly wench in the eyes of others.

As to truth, even Pilate asked Jesus and got no answer to his question "what is truth?".

You should therefore be more tolerate of others as they may be further up or further down on the spiritual growth scale than you are.

Also truth whatever it may be to you should not be something you ram down the throats of others.
---lee1538 on 12/18/11


markv, How can you be ready to accept the truth I post, when after I post the truth to you in detail you continue to ask the exact same question over and over again? This behavior of yours proves that you are not accepting the true testimony that I post. markv, when you are able to publicly witness and say, "Blessed is Eloy whom comes in the name of the Lord: all you peoples hear you him for he speaks the truth, and he speaks the words from God. I know because I am a true born-again Christian, and I bear witness to accept my brother Eloy's personal Christian testimony." Then you are ready to receive my living testimony.
---Eloy on 12/17/11


Eloy, you said,

" Stop asking of me until that time that you are truly ready to accept my prezching."

Ok Eloy, I am truely ready to hear you. Go for it. I'm really, really ready.
---Mark_V. on 12/16/11


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markv, You had no such expectation, else you would not be asking the same exact thing from me over and over again. Stop asking of me until that time that you are truly ready to accept my prezching.
---Eloy on 12/16/11


Eloy:

You have made mutually contradictory statements (i.e. 1. born-again believers cannot sin, and 2. you were born again, YET YOU FELL AWAY and were born again a second time).

Inquiring minds (Mark_V., Cluny, myself, and surely others) want to know how you can believe both of these contradictory statements at the same time.

As long as you make such contradictory assertions here, and refuse to answer the question, the question will be asked again and agian.
---StrongAxe on 12/16/11


Eloy, that is the answer I expected from you, not an answer to the question. And again, how can I accept what you say concerning sin, for It is not truth.
If you were born again once, and you claim a person who is saved does not sin, why did you have to be born again a second time unless you sinned?
Answer the question? Call me what you want to call me, but there is no truth in what you say concering someone who is saved.
Here is two statements you made. You cannot forgive your wife for leaving you. Scripture commands us to forgive others. You disobey God, which is sin. You even condemn her in front of everyone, and even point the finger at her while you are seating next to Christ in your vision. So how can anyone believe you?
---Mark_V. on 12/16/11


MaRKv, Again I say to you markv, Get saved, for then you will accept the details that I have already outlined on this subject that you have previously asked for "again" and "again". Because markv, until you actually get saved, you will foolishly ask the exact same question over and over "again", inspite of the same answer layed out for you in detail. This is called "hard-heartedness", where the unsaved do not accept the truth because they have selective reception according to their unregenerate mind, rather than have complete reception according to the desire for righteousness. If you are not prepared to accept the truth, then cease asking.
---Eloy on 12/15/11


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Yes, I can easily see the inhouse fighting for control. Hopefully the Christian faction will win over so that we as Christians will have less of a problem recognizing that the Lord on the subject of holy days, and food gave us freedom to decide for ourselves.
---lee1538

No SDA has ever said you do not have the right to decide for yourselves. We just say scripture only supports one decision. On foods they do not cost you salvation. Not following them only bring sickness and early death.
---Samuel on 12/15/11


Eloy, again, if what you say is true, why did you sin the first time you say you were born again? You then told us you were born again the second time. You say it is not possible to sin but you did. How can you expect anyone to believe what you say, if you did exactly what you say a believer cannot do? Think Eloy. Your theology is mixed.
---Mark_V. on 12/15/11


No, that reminds me of the classic fantasy movie called the "Wizard of Oz", There was a character in the movie called "The good witch", again, no such thing exists. For the spirit of righteousness and holiness is not mixed nor diluted with sin. You are either Christianed or else NonChristiened, Righteous or else Sinuous, there is no eclectic mixing nor dilution nor bastardization of the Holy, none. You cannot have Jesus and your false religion too, you cannot serve Jesus and sin, you cannot serve darkness and the light: only one Master will you serve, and Jesus will not accept you if you cleave to falsehood. If you want to be his, and belong to him, then you have to be ALL his.
---Eloy on 12/14/11


Lee, you are correct about different groups within one's denominations. The same holds true with Baptist. They disagree because one follows the essentials of the Christian faith and others called Baptist don't. While in the Catholic Church they all hold the same believes because in the past if anyone was in another group they were excommuicated or killed. You had follow the Churches teachings or else. We see through history what happened to so many. Lately many RCC churches are teaching something different then what they were taught. In the Baptist denomination no one gets killed, they just disagree and make sure they are heard why the other side is wrong. Without threats.
---Mark_V. on 12/15/11


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//We also have moderates like myself and liberals.

Yes, I can easily see the inhouse fighting for control. Hopefully the Christian faction will win over so that we as Christians will have less of a problem recognizing that the Lord on the subject of holy days, and food gave us freedom to decide for ourselves.
---lee1538 on 12/14/11


That is a good question Lee. There are certain groups in the Seventh day Adventist church are extreme in their views.

We also have moderates like myself and liberals.

Unfortuatly being in the middle I get shot at from both sides. As well as those people who take what these extremists who do not represent the majority of the church as well as put in false words that we oppose to make us into a cult.

We are currently studying Galations in Sabbath school and it emphasies that we are saved by grace. Judaizeers add works to salvation. Grace has love act.
---Samuel on 12/14/11


Samuel//Lee you need to get in touch with the people who still publish Kindom of the Cults by Walter Martin and tell them they are wrong.
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I have the Walter Martin book however I am wondering just how truthful the SDA were when they were interviewed.

On the other hand, another book AMG's Encyclopedia of World Religons, Cults & the Occult informs us that in Adventism, there are really 2 camps.

"There are now 2 distinct camps in Adventism. The split became apparent in the late 1970's when pastors of many years' standing began to question some of the peculiar doctrines of their prophetess, Ellen White arguing that these not be supported fully by scripture." (p. 724)

Which camp do you belong to?
---lee1538 on 12/14/11


Karen D, I personally believe that the Elect will come from all corners of the world. They will be made alive to Christ, they will have faith in the One true God. And they will be saved.
We are to teach others the Truth, tell them where they are wrong, show them the Word of God because the Word of God is the one that changes people. And once we do that, we allow God to work in the lives of those who will come to faith through His word. It does not matter from where they come. No one can be saved by a wrong gospel. Only the Truth of Christ will suffice. It is sufficient to save whom God wants to have mercy on. Many think they are saved, but have a wrong gospel. If they are of the Elect, they will receive the right one.
---Mark_V. on 12/14/11


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Well, there is also born-again Seventh Day Adventists and Roman Catholics and we can easily see that their theology is very bad.

Are we not commanded not to judge the relationship others may have with the Lord? lee1538

Lee you need to get in touch with the people who still publish Kindom of the Cults by Walter Martin and tell them they are wrong. Since they teach SDA can be born again. As I was when I left agnoticism to become a Christians who follows JESUS CHRIST.
---Samuel on 12/13/11


Being "born-again" to a Mormon is totally different than what Christ taught Nicodemus in John 3.

The problem with answering a Mormon (or any believer of a particular faith) who seems to agree with a tenet of the Christian faith is that one is never quite sure the both of you are talking about the same thing. Semantics and definitions are very important.

Before breathing a sigh of relief at reaching presumed "common ground", it's best to step back and find out what they believe the term means. Most of the time you'll be surprised to discover that what a Christian's definition is radically different than theirs.
---Tom on 12/12/11


I find it's best to make sure I fully explain a concept/tenet, make sure they get it (as much as their heart is opened) THEN say, for example, "That's what we mean when we say "we're covered by the blood of Christ".
---Tom on 12/12/11


KarenD//Can you be born again and still believe that Jesus and Lucifer are spirit brothers?
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Again to what extent is beliefs in correct doctrine a prerequisite for becoming a Christian?

While we are commanded to avoid those who teach something that is unbiblical, who of us really has a belief in all the correct doctrines?

Frankly when I first found Christ in my life, I have very little knowledge of either the Bible or its teachings. I for one, really did not understand why Christ went to the Cross. However, over the years I have become more mature in the Bible and its teachings.
---lee1538 on 12/11/11


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Can you be born again and still believe that Jesus and Lucifer are spirit brothers?
---KarenD on 12/10/11


No one is saved by Doctrine but by Jesus Christ. The Jesus of scripture that is.

The Word who was made flesh, the Word who was with God and is God.

And Not an Angel.

The Question is WHAT Jesus!
---kathr4453 on 12/9/11


marc - while salvation is unmerited by God, is it a prerequisite that we subscribe to all the right doctrines?

None of us has prefect knowledge of all Christian doctrine.

While someone may claim to have a born-again experience, we still may not have fellowship with those whose doctrine or walk is contrary to what we know is the truth.
---lee1538 on 12/9/11


''Are we not commanded not to judge the relationship others may have with the Lord?''

Are we? Where is that written?

In any case, if someone is a cult member they can't be relating to the real Jesus.
---Marc on 12/9/11


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marc//Why not?! While we're at it, we could also have born again Muslims, atheists, JWs, animists...you name it, we can do it if the price is right!

Well, there is also born-again Seventh Day Adventists and Roman Catholics and we can easily see that their theology is very bad.

However, if they are followers of Jesus and not their false prophets, then would they not qualify?

Too many denominations insist upon all the right beliefs as a prerequisite, however, all too often such is limited by our understanding of doctrine.

Are we not commanded not to judge the relationship others may have with the Lord?
---lee1538 on 12/9/11


Why not?! While we're at it, we could also have born again Muslims, atheists, JWs, animists...you name it, we can do it if the price is right!

Look, anyone who thinks they have to wear funny underwear in order to get "closer" to God, will believe anything, including the belief that we can all become gods and have 1000's of wives and our own planet.
---Marc on 12/9/11


Mormons believe they are born again. They had their first Spiritual birth to god their father in heaven with one of his wives then they are born again here on earth.

They do not mean what Scripture says about the new birth.
---Samuel on 12/8/11


Because salvation is wholly an act of God, is it limited to those who only have all the correct doctrinal views?

The Mormon in-law I presently have a dialogue with claims she is a born-again Christian but simply has some very bad theological views.

I read the Book of Mormons and found that much of it is Biblical but in conflict with the teachings of the Mormon prophets. For one, the BofM proclaims that God never changes, that there are no other gods, but Mormon prophets believe God was once a man and evolved into a god.

My Mormon contact has not been able to give me an answer on this or other issues.
---lee1538 on 12/8/11


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Does that individual believe that Jesus is/was God's son?
Does that individual believe that Jesus died for there sins?
Does that individual believe that Jesus rose from the grave to overcome death?
Does that individual confess Jesus as Lord and Savior?
Sure. If that individual can remain Mormon for the beliefs that do not conflict with questions above. Sure
---Scott1 on 12/8/11


Nooooooo of course not.

Can you be born again and remain in sin?

Can the devil repent?

NO, NO and NO!!!!
---anon on 12/8/11


With God all things are possible. :)
---John.usa on 12/8/11


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