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What is the difference between having a relationship with Christ and just plain having religion?

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Jerry, you said, "James L: I can't believe that you are in agreement with MarkV that Jesus is a bully that forces Himself on us without our permission. Force is the tool of Satan - not God".

James was in agreement concerning ( Rev. 3:20). You use the tool of satan, trying to force us to do Saturday Sabbath.
Again, God does not force anyone. He is God. He does not need permission to do what He wills. Not from you. "Which in His times He shall show, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of Kings, and Lord of lords. Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto:" whom no man has seen, nor can see: to whom be honor and power everlasting, Amen, (1 Tim. 6:16).
---Mark_v/ on 3/27/12


francis, of course God is adding individuals to the Church, those chosen from the foundation of the world, "The elect" who are coming to faith by the grace of God. Not willing that any should perish. Smart guy.
---Mark_V. on 3/27/12


Hmm my Galatians chapter 3 doesnt read anything like that...
---CraigA on 3/27/12


Hate to break it to you Mark, but no I'm not Kathr. I dont agree with everything Kathr says but at least he/she doesnt blaspheme God by making him seem unjust for condemning people for being exactly what He made them to be.

We could go one step further and say that God loves the world since that is biblical too but I have a feeling youll deny that. Youre not the first person like this Ive run across. Are you also simply so selfish that you dont want the love of God extended to every man, woman and child so you can feel justified by holding onto your hatred? Both you and Christian seem very bitter people. It seems Lee1538 is of the same faith, but at least he/she doesnt snarl when given scripture.
---LindaH on 3/27/12


---Mark_V. on 3/26/12
First of all mark_v.
God ADDS INDIVIDUALS to the church

Acts 2:47 And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.

He add INDIVIDUALS who will accept him

Revelation 3:20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.

Revelation 3:21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne

So God is NOT asking the church to let him in. He is asking individual to let him into thier lives. and they can accept or reject the invitation. Those who accept he ADDS to the church. He is not knocking at the church door hoping the deacon will open and let him in.
---francis on 3/27/12




James L: I can't believe that you are in agreement with MarkV that Jesus is a bully that forces Himself on us without our permission. Force is the tool of Satan - not God! Are you, like MarkV, also a predestinationalist?

Do you also agree with him that the church of Scripture refers to buildings rather than God's people?

Rev 22:17 And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever WILL, let him take the water of life freely.

Doesn't sound like force to me! Sounds like opening a door of one's own free will.


---jerry6593 on 3/27/12


Jerry,
I agree with Mark V.

the "church" has bastardized the gospel of Christ. Jesus doesn't dwell in our hearts by "invitation", He dwells in our hearts by FAITH.

We don't invite Him into our lives, He invites us into HIS life.

Really man, With all the scriptures you quote, can you find one where any apostle, or Moses, David or anybody else preached "open the door of your heart" ???

Abraham believed the promise of God and was justified. Abraham didn't ask Jesus into his heart. That's plain stupid

Galatians 3:1-2
who has bewitched you? Did you receive the Spirit by asking Jesus into your heart, or by hearing the gospel with faith ???
---James_L on 3/26/12


Linda, I take it you are Kathr again using another name, only you would say what you did.
Jesus loves His Church, He does not love the denominational churces. they are full of tares. His spiritual church He does love, for it is part of His body. So take your own foot out of your mouth, for you try again to change the Truth to a lie.
---Mark_V. on 3/26/12


francis, first of all, don't make fun of the Word of God. If you want to discuss His Word you have to come to His Word with a clean heart. Your bias comments about pot-lucks are not funny. You think you can laugh at the Truth but you are mistaken. It will come back to you in some way.

Second, (v.21) makes it clear who can come and seat with Him and the Father, those who overcome. Only those who overcometh in that Church are granted to sit with Him. Then He says, "He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches"

"What the Spirit saith unto the churches" Get it?
---Mark_V. on 3/26/12


Mark nowhere in that passage does it say that there were no believers, but lets play it your way. You just put your foot in your mouth on that one.

No believers, yet Christ said "As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent"

He obviously loves this church! In the very next verse He says He is knocking at their door of their hearts waiting for a response from them.. waiting for them to repent and open the door.

God does not give eternal life to those who are unrepentant! He will not be mocked and declares that in scripture. Gods requires repentance and faith! You cannot deny that and still claim you have the "truth". If you do, your truth is a lie.
---LindaH on 3/26/12




Jerry, mark_V may be right.
maybe jesus was looking for pot luck at the church, and the locked him out

Revelation 3:20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.
---francis on 3/26/12


Jerry, it is foolish to believe that Jesus at some point in time was knocking at your door asking permission to come in to your heart. Shear nonsense. You make Him a beggar. He doesn't ask permission from anyone.
If you had read the passages in Revelation in the context, you would have known that Jesus was speaking to seven Churches. A letter to each one. The letter to Laodicea is found in (Rev. 3:14-22). Jesus was not speaking to anyone's heart. The Church was lukewarm. No believers were left. Not a one answered, for not a one had ears to hear,
"He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the Churches" (v.22). And you are not hearing Jerry.
---Mark_V. on 3/26/12


MarkV: So you believe that Jesus was talking about entering church buildings and not His peoples' hearts in Revelation? No wonder your theology is so skewed.


---jerry6593 on 3/26/12


Jerry, in (Rev. 3:20) a letter is sent to the church of Laodicea. Here Jesus is standing at the door of the Church, which was neither cold nor hot. They had become wealthy and have need of nothing, but they were wretched, miserable, poor, blind, and naked. He says, as many as I love I rebuke and chasten. He wanted them to repent. Rather then allowing for the common interpretation of Christ knocking on a persons heart, the context demands that Christ was seeking to enter this church that bore His name but lacked a single true believer. If one member recognized his spiritual bankruptcy and responded in saving faith, He would enter the church. No one had an ear to hear.
---Mark_V. on 3/25/12


Mark v, your God's plan is interesting anyway, to take a few people for himself and give the rest to the devil. It's odd, but if you say so. You must know more than the rest of us.
---Pat.pat on 3/25/12


---Mark_V. on 3/25/12
If I understand you correctly ( and if i don't correct me)
Anyone who wants to be saved can be saved if they believe.

But God already knows who will be saved or lost.

God did not create them to be saved or lost, they are saved or lost by thier own choice, but God aleady knows thier choice.
---francis on 3/25/12


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MarkV:

Rev 3:20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if ANY MAN hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.

Doesn't that mean that ALL MEN have the free will choice to invite Jesus into their hearts, or is Jesus just pulling door-to-door knocking pranks?


---jerry6593 on 3/25/12


francis, to answer you question, I have no clue who are the elect. Only they know what they believe in. No one knows if someone is or not for no one knows someone elses heart. We can judge by their answers if they are saved already. But we can never be sure, only God knows who is save now and who will be saved later.

Pat-pat, I don't know Calvinist, I know Scripture. And the God of Scripture is Omnipotent, Omniscient, Omnipresent, holy, righteous, and just. If your god does not have those characteristics He is not God. The god presented here many times is one they have created in their own minds who is defeated day and night by men and the devil. My God knows no defeat. He is Ruler of all that He has created.
---Mark_V. on 3/25/12


Mark v is just confirming what an old Calvinist told me years ago: All human activity is ultimately meaningless.
---Pat.pat on 3/24/12


---Mark_V. on 3/24/12

Thanks you for the explaination
Are there some people in your church who are in church but not elect?
---francis on 3/24/12


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francis, God's election occured before the foundation of the world. He chose some to salvation and the others He didn't. When God saved me, I didn't know about election. It was not until I studied the purposes of God that I learned God's election. You said,
"Those not elected cannot be saved even if they have faithb and, accept the grace of God, because they were never elected to be saved?"
They could not possibly have saving faith. Faith comes when God's grace brings someone to life, God does not ask permission. You are dead in trespass.
After speaking of God having a remnant today according to election Paul says,
"And if by grace then it is no longer of works, othewise grace is no longer grace."
---Mark_V. on 3/24/12


If you are not one of the elect, no matter what you think, you will not be saved. Only the elect are chosen by God. ---Mark_V. on 3/23/12

when were or are the elect elected?

So if i understand you ( and I may be wrong in what I understand) God has elected a number of people to be saved and only that number will be saved.

Those not elected cannot be saved even if they have faithb and, accept the grace of God, because they were never elected to be saved?

Now those who have been elected, they do not have to beleive or have faith, they will be saved no matter what?
---francis on 3/23/12


francis, you ask:

"Also, if i am NOT ONE OF THE ELECT and I believe will be saved anyway? Or am I prevented by God from believing because I am NOT one of the elect?"

francis, you are not prevented from anything because you are responsible for what you do. If you are not one of the elect, no matter what you think, you will not be saved. Only the elect are chosen by God. The elect are born under the curse of Adam, and will one day be made alive together with Christ. God does not bring life to everyone. Yet God prevents no one to come to Christ. The fact is, that everyone lost are not willing to come to Christ because, "There is none who understands, There is none who seeks after God" (Rom. 3:11).
---Mark_V. on 3/23/12


I can't find the word 'relationship' anywhere in my bible. Where is it found?
---Pat.pat on 3/22/12

John 15:13 Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.
John 15:14 Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.
John 15:15 Henceforth I call you not servants, for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth: but I have called you friends, for all things that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you.

you may not find the actual word...are you saying that the concept does not exist?

there are a lot of concepts in the bible that are not named.
---aka on 3/22/12


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Pat pat, you are correct, relationship is not found in Scripture concerning Christ and His children. It is a language that christian use to mean a connection between two people. Here a connection between Christ and those who love Him, His children. And since they are one body in Christ they are, by spiritual baptism, connected together forever. People use, "personal relationship" as that connection. When people use it, I understand what they mean most of the time, other times I really don't know what they mean. Peace
---Mark_V. on 3/22/12


Also, if i am NOT ONE OF THE ELECT and I believe will be saved anyway?

Or am I prevented by God from believing because I am NOT one of the elect?
---francis on 3/21/12


I can't find the word 'relationship' anywhere in my bible. Where is it found?
---Pat.pat on 3/22/12


A relationship is the loving interaction between two living people, between Christ and his Christian: whereas religion is dead idolatry consisting of ceremonies and rules and regulations to follow.
---Eloy on 3/21/12


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I know I am one of the elect and already saved. How do I know? I know because I believe God has an elect for He told us through His word. I believe it by faith.
---Mark_V. on 3/21/12
Isn't the elect a group of people whom God have selected before they were
even born?
So you are one of the elect because you BELIEVE that you are one of the elect?

TRICK QUESTION:
Do you become one of the elect by believing that you are one of the elect?

TRICKIER QUESTION:
If God already has an elect that was choosen before hand, why do you need to believe to be one of the elect?

TRICKIEST QUESTION:
Would you still be one of the elect even if you did not believe?
---francis on 3/21/12


francis, how is it possible for you to know what those people believe or think if you are not one of them? That is just your assumption. You said:

"religions for example which believe that God has choosen before hand who will be saved and lost, do not have a relationship with God because they can never know if they have been elected to be saved."
I believe I have a great relationship with Christ. And because I do, and because I have a great love for Christ, I know I am one of the elect and already saved. How do I know? I know because I believe God has an elect for He told us through His word. I believe it by faith. Unless you are one, you could not possibly know what they feel or believe.
---Mark_V. on 3/21/12


There realy is no difference is christianity. It is a religion which includes a relationship with God/ Christ whereby we can talk with him through prayer, and he encourages and conforts us through the bible and other christians.

Other religion may nothvae thattype of relationship. They do what they think is right ( unlike christians who do what God says) in an effort to appease thier god.

religions for example which believe that God has choosen before hand who will be saved and lost, do not have a relationship with God because they can never know if they have been elected to be saved.

In the christian religion, the terms of our relationship are set by God (see luke 9: 59-62)
In other religion the terms are set by man
---francis on 3/21/12


family of God,ELENA sure not perfect,but,realize He the saviour must be the main "one"and ELENA has to stay on bended knees,"die"to self and yes,without faith it's impossible to please God!his way sweet,tested & tried.He died for all sinners.glory to God!
---ELENA on 3/21/12


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//What is the difference between having a relationship with Christ and just plain having religion?//
The difference is life and death
---michael_e on 1/1/12


James L, I agree that the word "relationship" is not found in the Bible. That is just another religious term use by many Christians and non-Christians. Adding "intimate" carries relationship too far. It's all religious talk to argue a point, to sound religious, and to sound as if they know more then you do. The fact that Kathr gave her three examples, she forgot the most important one, that in order to believe in all three, a person needs to have faith. Just believing what she said is useless if you do not have faith. Even the devil believes yet has no faith. And that faith comes from Spirit as a gift through rebirth, and is exercise when the person hears the gospel Truth. To know God is called "theology."
---Mark_V. on 12/25/11


Just having a relgion is following some teachings to be saved.

Having a relationship is like being married. You do not do right to be married you do right for the love of the other.

When we love GOD we are in a relationship that will lead us to love others and want to be with GOD.

I believe many do not read the Bible because they have a relgion. We want to read letters from those whom we love.

Others read the Bible to prove their religon right. Not to built up our love.
---Samuel on 12/22/11


Darlene, Good post.
James 1:27 "Religion that God our Father accepts as pure and faultless is this, to look after orphans, and widows in their distress AND keep oneself from being polluted by the world."
Some religiously do the first part of this verse, while neglecting the second. How does one keep themselves from being polluted by the world? Its not something we are able to effectively do outside of Christ, but by abiding in Him, is done by the power of the Holy Spirit
also, others besides Christians, even atheists may attempt to look after orphans and widows, thinking themselves good people, but that is most definitely polluted by the world.
---chria9396 on 12/14/11


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Religion >> all what you are doing like others (trying to worship God) before you surrender all to Jesus. Relationship >> starts when you truly from your heart act in obedience to the word/instruction of the Lord John 14: 15, 21, 23.
---Adetunji on 12/13/11


If you were asked to choose one of the following phrases to complete the sentence, which would you choose?

To be a Christian is...

(1) to believe that Jesus was born, lived, died, and
was raised from the dead?

(2) to accept that God became a man in the person of Jesus Christ in order to reconcile all men with Himself?

(3) to receive Jesus and have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ?

Option #1 - has to do with the historical Jesus and the events of His life in the first century.

Option #2 - has to do with the theology of Jesus which explains incarnation and Christology.

Option #3 - has to do with the personal, subjective experience of Jesus


Ans: All of the above!
---kathr4453 on 12/12/11


God commands, Do my works. But Religion includes the sinners whom think that they have to do nothing for God, only continue living in sin, and delusionally they think they are alright with God: when in fact they are God's enemy and are headed straight for hell because of their "do nothing". And for their disobedience and their "do nothing", therefore they get nothing from God, except condemnation and hell for bearing no fruit.
---Eloy on 12/12/11


\\personal intimate knowledge of Him.

Do you KNOW the Lord JamesL, Does the Lord KNOW YOU?\\
---kathr4453 on 12/11/11


That depends on what you mean when you use a subjective word like INTIMATE.

I Don't know Christ sexually, if that's what you mean. Like how Jospeh did not KNOW Mary until after she gave birth to Christ. That's how I understand the word INTIMATE, so it's "subject" to how EACH PERSON understands it - subjective.


I KNOW Christ like a friend, and I don't get "intimate" with any of my friends, thank you.
---James_L on 12/12/11


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"my thoughts exactly. Amen
---Josef on 12/10/11" Glad to hear that, thank you and praise God
---Christina on 12/11/11


We live our life through FAITH , not by trying to conjur up some ideal "relationship", or "chemistry" with Christ.
---James_L on 12/11/11


Well, since it's HIS Life that is in us, and no longer I but Christ in me, and Christ who is our life, it would be necessary to KNOW Christ so that you know it's not the devil living through you. We are to grow in the grace and KNOWLEDGE of Him. Our faith is in Christ, not in faith.

Knowledge here is not gnosticism, or head knowledge, but a personal intimate knowledge of Him.

Do you KNOW the Lord JamesL, Does the Lord KNOW YOU?

How do you KNOW it's HIS voice you hear? Satan can immitate....
---kathr4453 on 12/11/11


LeeJ, Luther believed in infant baptism,sacraments etc, as did Calvin, Luther was anti-semitic, and neither understood prophecy that has yet to be fulfilled.



I also have a problem with your doctrine on rebirth of our man Spirit that you all said died at the fall, and you clain the Holy Spirit on His own went around and rebirthed the dead spirit of the elect BEFORE one put their faith in Jesus who alone as the life giver. Death was brought because of sin, and Jesus came to bring life from the dead, BY HIS WORKS ON THE CROSS, but you are not talking about Jesus works on the cross here rebirthing man's spirit. So now you want us to believe the elect were Born again twice???

I don't believe in YOUR doctrine of Election. NO!
---kathr4453 on 12/11/11


The traditional teachings about dedication to God can be compared to a 'social club' (in which the most genuine movement of the heart will be found in "fellowship"). The word 'PARTISAN' is a very important CONCEPT (step 1, step 2, step 3, etc.....'read the instruction book and follow procedures',...(NO "HEART"/SPIRIT, Philippians 1:17).

Mentally/emotionally unstable people will tell others (spouse, family, etc.) how to love them properly. Have you told your children, etc. the proper partisan procedures they must follow?.

ONLY love Abba Father if YOU WISH TO, not because scripture ALLOWS it (we were all "FED" the lie that the book of Job was about FAITH, but it was a LOVE STORY).
---more_excellent_way on 12/11/11


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Religion is when I think I have to do something to earn God's love, such as going to church so many times a week, or going out an witnessing once a week, or whatever it is. Relationship is spending time with God because I love Him, and letting Him direct my paths.
---Cher8863 on 12/11/11


Kathr,

my point is that "relationship" is a very subjective term.

It's like when a woman is looking to meet a man, and says she needs "chemistry". What the heck is that supposed to mean?

The bible is not filled with such subjective terms. YOUR idea of a relationship is probably far different than mine.

Where does the bible say anything about "deep, personal, intimate" etc etc etc? NOWHERE

We live our life through FAITH, not by trying to conjur up some ideal "relationship", or "chemistry" with Christ.
---James_L on 12/11/11


kathr4453//One thing we know for a fact, Calvin was never a Martyr for Jesus, but he sure made others martyrs for Jesus!
---
While true, Calvin lived during a time when heretics were persecuted. Even Luther had problems dealing with heretics.

He, however, laid the foundation for Protestantism for centuries and his theology is closely followed by theologians today since all the Calvin's views are solidly Bible.

Still have a problem with the Biblical doctrine of Election?
---lee1538 on 12/11/11


religion is when you go to service, relation is your daily life with God, you cannot have one without the other. it is senseless peolpe who rage against religion and then go worship in church
---andy3996 on 12/11/11


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But it was a personal relationship to Christ that brought many believers to their death as martyrs.

Which would you die for? Your religion or for Jesus Christ?
---lee1538 on 12/9/11


This may be so, but we also have many fanatical religious people who believe themselves martyrs. And even more religious fanatics who murdered in the Name of Jesus.

One thing we know for a fact, Calvin was never a Martyr for Jesus, but he sure made others martyrs for Jesus!
---kathr4453 on 12/11/11


The english word "religion" is not in the original holy scriptures. The actual greek word is acurrately translated "devotion", and not religion. And God clearly condemns all religion.
---Eloy on 12/10/11


JamesL, John 17 is all about RELATIONSHIP, not religion.

You can't have a relationship with someone you don't KNOW personally. That we all may be ONE...can't get any closer than that.

To KNOW here means an intimate relationship as Adam KNOWING Eve, in the most intimate personal way.

We are so close in fact Paul describes the Church as bone of His Bone and flesh of His Flesh. Just like Eve taken out of Adam, and not a separate creature made out of the dust. Eve came out of Adam, just as the Church is made out of Christ. Christ IS the Church, and we are HIS BODY.
---kathr4453 on 12/10/11


JamesL, Paul again tells us, " That I may KNOW HIM and the fellowship of HIS SUFFERINGS, and the power of HIS RESURRCTION.

It's interesting you can talk about the fellowship of HIS SUFFERINGS of which you could know nothing about unless you were in a deep personal relationship with HIM.

It's not YOUR sufferings that count...but HIS.

Religion talks about it. Personal relationship has experienced it.

It's not WHAT you know, but WHO you know!

Religion is what you know,( head knowledge) Christianity is WHO you know, personally and intimitely!
---kathr4453 on 12/10/11


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I don't consider religion and Christianity the same thing.Wicca for example is a religion.Accepting Jesus as your Savior and leading your life as much like His as possible is the thing.The love of the Lord is most important.
---shirley on 12/10/11


God created man, but man created foolish religions.
---Eloy on 12/10/11


Religion is the presentation of format. Relationship is His Salvation & enduring.
---Lawrence_Nemeth on 12/10/11


In my opinion, when people say that they areoposed to religion, it means that they want christ on thier own terms.

I accept Christ on his terms.
---francis on 12/10/11


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Whether anyone is justified having a deep devotion with Jesus is not the point.

Some people INSIST on intimacy ABOVE ALL rationality and doctrine because they are LOVERS. Their heart has been pierced by a double-edged sword and they have mingled their blood with heaven. Their heart sheds tears of sorrow (living water) for Jesus ("There are THREE witnesses"). Those who "insist" are the brave, sincere, and genuine human beings of this earth. They know how to shed living water like the woman who wiped Jesus's feet.

The sword of the spirit is not dry, it is covered with blood (2 kinds, the blood of a lover...and the blood of God). So you keep your books, ministers and pride, but...THEY WILL NOT SHINE UP TO HEAVEN.
---more_excellent_way on 12/10/11


I can live without religion, I have the Bible,the Word of God,but I can't live without a relationship with God. Religion is taught by denominations and men as they see the Bible meaning but too often tainted by man's wisdom not God's,a relationship is giving our heart,soul,mind,body,strength,love and life to God through Jesus. The sheep know their shepherd and they follow none other. Religion may leave you hungry but a relationship with God always fills the empty places of your being. God created mankind for fellowship with him in an obedient,commited realtionship. James 1:27 Religion that God our Father accepts as pure and faultless is this,to look after orphans,and widows in their distress and keep oneself from being polluted by the world.
---Darlene_1 on 12/10/11


Cluny: 'And how many times does the Bible need to say something?'

A wise comment, of course. I just posted that because I feel that on this site, most people use 'religion' with their own (bad) meaning, and then accuse what THEY consider.

I was merely saying that the NT uses religion (where it does use it) to mean something good

But your point it taken, and it's a good point
---James on 12/10/11


Religion was not created by God but by Man.Its a term we use to classify ourselves as better then.
We were created to fellowship with God Which is similar to relationship.
Religion is divided, IS Christ divided? You can stop or change the terms of a relationship But you cant divided It.
---Redeemed_By_His_Blood on 12/10/11


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\\\\The only place I find the word 'religion' in the Bible is in James 1.\\
---James on 12/9/11 \\

And how many times does the Bible need to say something?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/10/11


\\The only place I find the word 'religion' in the Bible is in James 1.\\
---James on 12/9/11

You make a good point, and here's another. "relationship" is not in the bible at all. It's kind of funny how people say the word "religion" has so many different meanings, but so does "relationship"

deep, intimate, personal, daily, where are they in the bible? Those are subjective anyway.

The just shall life by faith (Rom 1:17), not by some strict idea of what a relationship is supposed to look like.

My dad and I have a great relationship. He lives with me, and we talk about once a week for a half hour. Suits us both very well.
---James_L on 12/9/11


religion was created by God. Those who reject the religion created by God,, find fault with religion.
God only has problem with MAN'S RELIGION

James 1:27 Pure religion and undefiled before God

Our relationship with God, our duties to God ( what we call religion)is set up by God himself.
Examples: God decied that a tithe is 1/10 not man.
Everything SPIRITUAL and HOLY was decided by God not man

It is God who called a nation and gave them laws and rituals and rities nothing wrong with that.

The problem only comes when we do these and do them NOT OUT OF A PURE HEART

God has given us different gift serve the church not ourselves
---francis on 12/10/11


--chria9396 on 12/9/11 Beautifully written, and my thoughts exactly. Amen
---Josef on 12/10/11


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All religion is death, but converting to Christ is life. The relationship with Christ is salvation, for Christ is the proven Savior of the soul: and all religions of the world are vain, for their incessant rules and superstitious procedures prove that they save no one.
---Eloy on 12/10/11


A person can become a member of a church without ever becoming a Christian, but a person can't have a relationship with Christ unless they are Christians.
---wivv on 12/9/11


in a relationship there are 2 I or 2 persons who communicate accept the other.

but christianity accuse, condemn, reject, blame,
christianity judge that SELF IS A SIN.

SELF IS A PERSON needed in a relationship
there are 2 I in relationship.
that is why many say christianity is a religion bec. of pastors' FAILURE to cultivate relationship.
they give you a list of 'do this' do that or god will punish you. GREAT THANK YOU VERY MUCH
---mike on 12/9/11


The only place I find the word 'religion' in the Bible is in James 1. James 1:27 'Religion that is pure and undefiled before God and the Father is this: to visit orphans and widows in their affliction, and to keep oneself unstained from the world'

We always attach some evil meaning to 'religion' - the NT does not
---James on 12/9/11


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Religion has more to do with show and is about self, what I do,filled with self righteousness, what I think and know, it is puffed up/proud.
Relationship with Jesus in some ways parallels human relationships. More time spent talking, listening (prayer and Word), the deeper the relationship becomes. When we love Him, our deepest desire is to be with Him, to know Him more, to hear more then we wish to be heard, though that too has its place . We know we can speak our hearts deepest things, whatever it may be, because we trust Him. We wish to please Him/obey, not of works, but as an outflow of our union with Him and His Spirit within which empowers us to do as He wills. His heart becomes our heart,love others, have compassion, do as He does
---chria9396 on 12/9/11


A relationship with Christ is a continuing and wonderful experience, howbeit, religion is more cemented into defining man relationship to God and our duties as believers.

Seldom does religion ever permit one to question any of their basic pet tenets.

It was religion that put Galileo under house arrest simply because he challenged their view that the sun revolved around the earth. And the church has plenty of scripture to prove him wrong.

But it was a personal relationship to Christ that brought many believers to their death as martyrs.

Which would you die for? Your religion or for Jesus Christ?
---lee1538 on 12/9/11


Religion is mans way to God.
---JIM on 12/9/11


religion is try hard to please God and he may like you (legalism). Example is I have to do this or ___ will not happen. Mostly this is scene in prosperity and poverty gospels.

relationship is God loves me first and saved me all I have to do is abide in Him. You cannot sustain a relationship if you do not spend time with that person. for example I need to do this because I want to or it will grow my relationship with Abba
---Scott1 on 12/9/11


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Religion says: You must do this,you must do that, you must dress this way,you must act this way, etc.......
Christ says "Come to me".
It is all about a relationship with our Lord and Savior.
---JIM on 12/9/11


When you're in a relationship with Jesus, you're not following a bunch of man-made religious traditions such as going into a little dark closet to confess your sins.

Jesus said, "If you love me, you'll obey me."

Relationship with Jesus says, I walk in a state of forgiveness towards you."

Religion says, "I forgive you" but I won't forget.

Religion is a set of rules to follow, usually man-made.

Relationship is being in love with Father God, Lord Jesus and Holy Spirit and flowing in the anointing and the overflow of that is LOVING others unconditionally - that's when you know you're in a relationship with Jesus.
---anon on 12/9/11


A relationship with Christ is to have a personal experience of Him in your life.

Religion on the other hand, is a system of reasoning which seeks to define our relationship and our duties involving that relationship.

We enter into a personal relationship with Christ when He steps into our lives and we are born spiritually in Him.
---lee1538 on 12/9/11


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