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Can A Person Forgive Sins

Can a priest forgive sins and give absolution from missing a Holy Day last week? Apparently the 1st week of December is a Holy Day in the Catholic Church. A priest absolved someone from missing that day (not going to church). Can a priest do that? Or can only God forgive sin?

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Ruben, you said,
"The big different Mark, is I beleived in Jesus words ' I will built my Church on the Rock of Peter'
That is not what the passage is say. "On the rock of Peter" did Peter have a big rock? Then you said,
"How's that any different than you proclaiming infallible on your interpretation of scripture!"
I have never proclaimed my interpretation infallible. No interpretation is infallible. But your interpretations are very wrong for you have to eat Christ in order to be saved. How can you eat Him if He is not here in the flesh? Just another tradition. Then after eating Him, you go to purgatory and need someone else to get you out of there. Another false interpretation.
---Mark_V. on 1/5/12


Mark_V.* Ruben, I do love you. I was just like you, a Catholic latino from Texas, who didn't know the Truth just like you.

The big different Mark, is I beleived in Jesus words ' I will built my Church on the Rock of Peter'

Mark_V.* It needed the RCC teachings together with the sacrifice of Christ to save anyone.

Like Jesus said 'I will built my Church on Peter' .. Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day.

Mark* At first the Church counsel was infallible, things changed when Pius IX proclaimed himself infallible in 1870.

How's that any different than you proclaiming infallible on your interpretation of scripture!

---Ruben on 1/5/12


A good priest or preacher, will be willing to hear your sin. Then he will advise you to take it to the Lord in prayer.
---chris on 1/5/12


Ruben, I do love you. I was just like you, a Catholic latino from Texas, who didn't know the Truth just like you. I supported a lie, like you. When I started studing the RCC faith, I realized first, that Jesus had become second fiddle to Mary, saints, and the teachings of the RCC, for they had taken Him off the Throne. After idol worship, all kinds of traditions entered the RCC. Even the sacrifice of Christ on the Cross was not sufficient to save anyone. It needed the RCC teachings together with the sacrifice of Christ to save anyone. At first the Church counsel was infallible, things changed when Pius IX proclaimed himself infallible in 1870. All those who know the Truth of God's Word should be running away from the RCC, not running to it.
---Mark_V. on 1/5/12


Mark_V.* Ruben, apostles do not forgive sins, they guarantee that God has forgiven their sins if they believe in the Gospel Truth, if they don't and reject the gospel they continue their path to hell.

Mark, Jesus tells them in Jhn 20:20-23 " Whose sin you remit are remited and whose sins you retain are retain". Nothing here about their sins are forgiven or even about the gospel truth. But I can see why you have to add into scripture, come back to the Church that Jesus founded on the Rock of Peter, life is short!
---Ruben on 1/4/12




Ruben 2: Just think for a minute how advantagious it would be for the priest to do what they want, and forgive each other. They could continue to sin, and every time they did molest someone they could forgive them and hide them where they want. Tell them, don't do it again, but if they did they could forgive them again and again, every time they confessed to them. Say a couple of hail Maries and our Fathers and that would be it. That is also why purgatory is such a farse. Once someone is dead, no one can forgive what his done, unless Christ has imputed His own righteousness on him. There is no second changes. They had a life time to ask God for forgiveness.
---Mark_V. on 1/4/12


NO. Only Christ can forgive your sins
---willa on 1/3/12


Ruben, apostles do not forgive sins, they guarantee that God has forgiven their sins if they believe in the Gospel Truth, if they don't and reject the gospel they continue their path to hell. For they have already been condemned.
It is a far cry from believing priest can forgive sins. If they could they could forgive the sins of all the world, considering the many priest they now have. There would be no hell, and no need for Christ to die on the Cross. Just nonsense. Priest are not the Father in Heaven. They are sinners who many times have molested children. Who themselves have to answer to God. Or do you believe maybe they can forgive each other, you say they have the authority.
---Mark_V. on 1/3/12


Mark_V.* Ruben, He was speaking to the diciples , indicating they were believers, sent to spread the Gospel. Whoever believed the gospel Truth, they would tell them that their sins were forgiven, because they believed the Gospel by faith. If they rejected the gospel then they would tell them, because they reject the Truth, their sins were not forgiven according to the Gospel Truth.

Mark, So the apostles can forgive sins!


Mark_V.* When a priest acts as God the Father and forgives sin, he is forgiving sins under his own authority as if he was God the Father, that's why they call the priest fathers. They are imposters.

The apostles were given the authorithy to forgive sins, are they also imposters?
---Ruben on 1/3/12


Ruben, He was speaking to the diciples with the acception of Thomas. Jesus said "As the Father has sent Me, I also send you.' And when He had said this, He breathed on them, and said to them receive My Spirit." indicating they were believers, sent to spread the Gospel. Whoever believed the gospel Truth, they would tell them that their sins were forgiven, because they believed the Gospel by faith. If they rejected the gospel then they would tell them, because they reject the Truth, their sins were not forgiven according to the Gospel Truth. When a priest acts as God the Father and forgives sin, he is forgiving sins under his own authority as if he was God the Father, that's why they call the priest fathers. They are imposters.
---Mark_V. on 1/2/12




Mark_V.* Ruben, Matt., John 20:23 Jesus was saying that the believer can boldly declare the certainty of a sinner's forgiveness by the Father because of the work of His Son if the sinner has repented and believed the gospel.

Let's see if scripture agrees with Mark:

Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut for fear of the Jews, came Jesus stood in the mist, and saith unto them , Peace be unto you."(JHN 20:19)..."But Thomas, one of the twelve, called Didymus, was not with them when Jesus came. '

Mark, was Jesus talking to believers or just the apostles?








---Ruben on 1/1/12


Ruben, God alone can forgive sins. Matt., John 20:23 is not giving authority to anyone to forgive sins against God. Jesus was saying that the believer can boldly declare the certainty of a sinner's forgiveness by the Father because of the work of His Son if the sinner has repented and believed the gospel. The believer can also with certainty tell those who do not respond to the message of God's forgiveness through faith in Christ that their sins, as a result, are not forgiven.
You imply, that men has the power to forgive sins against God. If that's the case, the lost don't need the gospel, you could forgive the sins of everyone, no one would go to hell, there would be no need for a Mediator. Another tradition that contradicts Scripture.
---Mark_V. on 12/30/11


They knew that if any man claimed (as the RCC does) they could forgive sins against God, it was blasphemy. For God alone can forgive sin.
---Mark_V. on 12/28/11

Really, let's see what scripture tell us:

"But that ye may know that the Son of man hath power on earth to forgive sins..But when the multiudes saw it, they marvelled, and glorified God, which had given such power unto men ..."as my Father sent me, even so I sent you".. whose ever sins you remit they are remitted unto them. In Matthew chapter 9 Jesus said he was given power to forgive sins and the in John's gospel Jesus said he will sent the apostles as his Father sent him!
---Ruben on 12/29/11


StrongAxe* Ruben:

We were specifically discussing Matthew 5, that was dealing with real-life situations. I did not say that spiritual considerations did not apply (as they do in Matthew 18), just that the sermon in Matthew 5 was dealing primarily with temporal issues.

Matthew chapter 5 and 18 deals with the sermon, both says they will be thrown in jail and won't get out until last penny paid, Jesus says in Mt 18:35 "This is how my heavenly Father will treat each of you". Again Jesus uses a real life jail then says his heavenly Father also has a jail, where is this jail on judgment day that you can't get out until the last penny is pay?

---Ruben on 12/28/11


Ruben, even the Scribes knew who alone could forgive sins. And the RCC didn't. Now that is pretty bad. While we are told to forgive others their sins against us for the purpose of us having a clear conscience, the offenders still need to ask God for forgiveness for their own sins, for He alone can forgive sins.
"And some of the scribes were sitting there and reasoning in their hearts, "why does this Man speak blasphemies like that? "Who can forgive sins but God alone" (Mark 2:6) taken from (Is. 43:25).
They knew that if any man claimed (as the RCC does) they could forgive sins against God, it was blasphemy. For God alone can forgive sin.
---Mark_V. on 12/28/11


outside of rcc one only needs to look to Gods Holy Word which states ONLY Christ has authority to forgive sin ...Holy Scripture NEVER alludes to or implies ANY mortal man has that power regardless of any assigned title
---Rhonda on 12/24/11


Where is the scripture verse that says only God can forgives sins?
---Ruben on 12/26/11


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Ruben:

We were specifically discussing Matthew 5, that was dealing with real-life situations. I did not say that spiritual considerations did not apply (as they do in Matthew 18), just that the sermon in Matthew 5 was dealing primarily with temporal issues.

And yes, we will have to give account for every word. But that is the judgment of our works (see 1 Corinthians 3:13-15), not of ourselves.
---StrongAxe on 12/26/11


Ruben, Matthew 12:36 is talking about those who are without the imputed righteousness of Christ. for those whom Christ has forgiven do not stand before The Great White Throne of Judgment. (v.37) says,

"For by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned" the words of the believer is that they receive Christ works by faith.
And (v. 36) does not say that all men will give account at Judgment Day, because those born of the Spirit go to the Judgment Seat of Christ.
---Mark_V. on 12/27/11


Ruben:

Of course God is a judge. But there are also judges here on earth. Jesus was speaking about earthly actions and earthly consequences in each of the examples in his sermon.
---StrongAxe on 12/22/11

Ok agree, but Jesus tell us in Mt 18:32-35 "So likewise shall my heavenly Father do also unto you, if ye from your hearts forgive not every one his brother their trespasses." There is a physical jail, where is God's jail, Where you do not get out until you pay your last penny?
---Ruben on 12/23/11


However, we do so through Jesus's righteousnes (which he imputes to us), and not our own,

---StrongAxe on 12/22/11

In Mt 12 : 36 Jesus says ' I tell you, on the day of judgment men will render account for every careless word they utter ''.

In 2 Cor 5:10 -1 Peter 1:15-17

Now according Jesus some of those who are good, stil will have to give account even for idle words(Which can be bad). Paul says that we wiil have to give a account for all the deeds that we do, good or bad. 1 Peter 1 says the Father judges each one for all deeds good or bad. All of these passages do not give us any idea that since we have a imputed rightheous of Christ, we won't be judge for the bad works(sins).
---Ruben on 12/23/11


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Can a priest forgive sin? The answer is obvious to those outside of rcc however inside rcc per the man made catechism one submits their mind to the pope and popes declare priests forgive sin

outside of rcc one only needs to look to Gods Holy Word which states ONLY Christ has authority to forgive sin ...Holy Scripture NEVER alludes to or implies ANY mortal man has that power regardless of any assigned title
---Rhonda on 12/24/11


Ruben:

Of course God is a judge. But there are also judges here on earth. Jesus was speaking about earthly actions and earthly consequences in each of the examples in his sermon. Yes, they may also have spiritual significance too, but the primary meaning is physical.

Yes, we should not hate (because that is a desire to kill), but "thou shalt not kill" primarily deals with the physical act of murder, not hatred. "thou shalt not commit adultery" is primarly with a physical act, not mere lust.

And of course we are not righteous enough to enter heaven. However, we do so through Jesus's righteousnes (which he imputes to us), and not our own, not by slowly "working things off" in purgatory.
---StrongAxe on 12/22/11


StrongAxe* Ruben:

It is talking about PHYSICAL debts to PHYSICAL creditors, and the result of not paying them will have you dragged before a PHYSICAL judge in a PHYSICAL courtroom, and thrown into a PHYSICAL jail.

If God is the judge, where is this physical jail here on earth at? And when did God judge you while alive?

StrongAxe* Also, how do you "pay" in purgatory? What actions can you do to build up good credit in God's eyes?

It is nothing that you can do, but since scripture tell us 'nothing unclean enter Heaven'(Rev 21:27). Is it something we have to go though! ' If any man's work is burned up, he will suffer loss, though he himself will be saved, but only as through fire. (1 Cor 10:15)
---Ruben on 12/22/11


Ruben:

It is talking about PHYSICAL debts to PHYSICAL creditors, and the result of not paying them will have you dragged before a PHYSICAL judge in a PHYSICAL courtroom, and thrown into a PHYSICAL jail.

Now, it'so true that this may ALSO have spiritual implications, but the primary implication (based on a plain reading of what was said) refers to actions and events in this material world.

Also, how do you "pay" in purgatory? What actions can you do to build up good credit in God's eyes?
---StrongAxe on 12/21/11


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Ruben:

StrongAxe* 21-22 deal with anger and slander.

Which could end in hell "'You fool!' shall be liable to the hell of fire"v22

StrongAxe* 25-26 deals with renegotiating and repaying debts while you have the opportunity, BEFORE judgment is brought against you.

Now of course who is the judge except God? This is very clearly about judgement before God! Jesus then goes on and says 'you will be put in prison', you will not be able to get out 'until you pay the last penny' These passage are about judgement, thus Jesus is talikng about a intermediate state in v25-26. Heaven and Hell do not have prison, purgatory fits that state where you get out when you paid the last penny.
---Ruben on 12/21/11


Ruben, you can offer your prayers for the dead all you want. Nothing wrong with that. But it will change no one who is already physically dead.
Second, you must not have any information on the leaders of your own church.
Sixtus was the first pope to license the brothels of Rome. They brought him in thirty thousand ducats a year. He also gained considerably from a tax imposed on priests who kept a mistress. Another source of income was granting privileges to rich men "to enable them to solace certain matrons in the absence of their husbands" It was in area of indulgences that Sixtus became a genious. He was the first pontiff to decide that indulgences could be applied to the dead.
---Mark_V. on 12/21/11


Ruben Part 2: Here was a source of revenue that even his greediest predecessors had not dreamed of. The pope, creature of flesh and blood, had power over the regions of the dead. Souls in torment for their sins could be released by his word, provided that relatives paid. And which christian had the decency not to do that? Bereaved parents, widowers, spent their all trying to get their loved ones out of purgatory. Praying for them wasn't enough, paying for them was another. If they paid they would get the popes pardon, guaranting their dead would go to heaven on the wings of indulgences. Rome's biggest export trade had been in corpes, whole are in parts.
---Mark_V. on 12/21/11


Ruben:

Matthew 5:17-48 deals specifically with physical actions.
21-22 deal with anger and slander. 23-24 deal with forgiveness before sacrifice. 25-26 deals with renegotiating and repaying debts while you have the opportunity, BEFORE judgment is brought against you. 27-28 deal with lust. 29-30 deal with removing temptation. 31-21 deal with divorce. 33-37 deal with oaths. 38-39 deal with revenge. 40-41 deal with willingly paying compulsory obligations. 42 deals with helping those who ask. 43-47 deal with loving your enemy.

While these may have secondary spiritual implications, the sermon's primary message deals with physical actions, and not spiritual allegories.
---StrongAxe on 12/21/11


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Old traditions that came from Francesco de la Rovere who became Sixtus IV in 1471. Sixus had many ideas to make money. Purgatory was just one of many to build the chapel named after himself, the Sistine Chapel.
---Mark_V. on 12/21/11

Mark, not true:

St. John Chrysostom

"Let us help and commemorate them. If Job's sons were purified by their father's sacrifice [Job 1:5], why would we doubt that our offerings for the dead bring them some consolation? Let us not hesitate to help those who have died and to offer our prayers for them." (Homilies on First Corinthians 41:5 [c. AD 392])

St Gregory-St Ambose-St Augustine-St Basil-St Cyril-St Cypriam, well you get the picture!
---Ruben on 12/21/11


Ruben:

What makes you think Jesus was NOT talking about earth? If you owe somebody something (like money), it is best to reach an accomodation with him to settle your debt (for example, either long-term payments, or a reduced amount, or service in lieu of payment). Otherwise, the creditor can take you to court, and garnish your wages, sizes your property or your home, or even worse. (For example, the IRS can even send you to jail). In older times, debtors were sent to debtor's prison to work off the debt, effectively by performing slave labor.
---StrongAxe on 12/20/11

Because in this passaage Jesus is the 'judge', and when do we get judge but on that day(End of your lifetime)..
---Ruben on 12/21/11


Strongaxe, that is exactly what the passage in ( Matt. 5:25,26) is saying. Jesus calls for reconciliation to be sought eagerly, aggressively, quickly even if it involves self-sacrifice. It is best to be wronged than to allow a dispute between brethren to be a cause for dishonoring Christ ( 1 Cor. 6:7). In prison at that time, a person could work to earn back what he had defrauded.
In the RCC believes, in purgatory, those lost could have someone pay for them so that they could go to heaven. Old traditions that came from Francesco de la Rovere who became Sixtus IV in 1471. Sixus had many ideas to make money. Purgatory was just one of many to build the chapel named after himself, the Sistine Chapel.
---Mark_V. on 12/21/11


Ruben:

What makes you think Jesus was NOT talking about earth? Most of his teachings were very practical, and not merely theoretical. That particular teaching is VERY applicable to life on earth. If you owe somebody something (like money), it is best to reach an accomodation with him to settle your debt (for example, either long-term payments, or a reduced amount, or service in lieu of payment). Otherwise, the creditor can take you to court, and garnish your wages, sizes your property or your home, or even worse. (For example, the IRS can even send you to jail). In older times, debtors were sent to debtor's prison to work off the debt, effectively by performing slave labor.
---StrongAxe on 12/20/11


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Ruben, where in my reply did you get the idea that I implied, "we no longer have to confess our sins because Jesus pay for it at Calvary?"

Repentance of the Christian to the Father is done while they are walking on this fallen earth only after they are born of the Spirit. The minute a man dies, his soul is either taken to Hades or Paradise, see Luke 16:19-31 as taught by Jesus Christ.

Remember that even the Jews, Muslims, RCs will tell you they also repent, but there's something very important missing in their repentance. And that's FAITH, and Scripture declares clearly that FAITH IS A GIFT OF GOD. In short, if God does not give one FAITH, one can repent all they want and it will never ever please God an iota.
---christan on 12/20/11


To start, there's no such Scriptural teaching with regards to purgatory in any of the sixty-six books of the Holy Bible.

And if it was true, what then becomes of Jesus death at Calvary. Didn't the Bible say, "thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins." Matthew 1:21?

If you believe in purgatory, I assure you that Christ never died for your sins.
---christan on 12/19/11


Christan,

Before I give you scripture vesres on purgatory, I need to know are you saying we no longer have to confess our sins because Jesus pay for it at Calvary?---Thanks
---Ruben on 12/20/11


"Not all questions can be answered with a yes or now, especially if the assumptions lying behind the questions are faulty."

Faulty? How does asking "Do you believe in purgatory" faulty? It's either a yes or no. "Do you believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God?" The answer is either a yes or no or is it faulty?

Jesus taught us, "But let your communication be, Yea, yea, Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil."

The answer Ruben gave is evidence that he's definitely not of the Christian faith according to the Holy Bible. I don't judge him or anyone, it is the Word of God that judges us from what we say.
---christan on 12/20/11


lee1538 * Through scripture teaches that Christ paid for the penalty for our sins, the Roman church (correct me if my understanding is wrong), believes that there is a temporal penalty that must be paid. And that is usually in the purgatory.

Actually Jesus tells us in scriptue Mtt 5:25-26:

"Make friends quickly with your accuser, while you are going with him to court, lest your accuser hand you over to the judge, and the judge to the guard, and you be put in prison, truly, I say to you, you will never get out till you have paid the last penny "

We know it can not mean Heaven or Hell nor here on earth..Guess where??
---Ruben on 12/20/11


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Through scripture teaches that Christ paid for the penalty for our sins, the Roman church (correct me if my understanding is wrong), believes that there is a temporal penalty that must be paid. And that is usually in the purgatory.

As it is the Roman hierarchy that directly benefits it is all too easy to see why they do not limit their doctrinal views to scripture alone.
---lee1538 on 12/19/11


\\Ruben, let me ask you one simple question about your faith (which you claim is rooted in Jesus Christ). A simple yes or no answer will do.\\

Not all questions can be answered with a yes or now, especially if the assumptions lying behind the questions are faulty.

**Tradition of the church are not binding if they are not in the Word of God.**

Actually, the Word of God IS based on the tradition of the Church, because you have NO other authority for 27 books in the NT and just those particular 27.

2 Thessalonians 2:15
Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/19/11


anon:

Hebrews 10:25
"Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is..."

This is a general principle that we should form a community, not live in isolation, not a legalistic commandmant "thou shalt attend church" - which is a law of the Church, not of God.

A Roman Catholic priest, an official of that church, is empowered to forgive breaking that church's rules.

Also, Peter was empowered to forgive sins (i.e. "whatever you loose in heavens is loosed on the earth"). Whether one believes in a heirarchical priesthood (as Catholics and Orthodox do) or in the priesthood of the believer (as evangelicals do), a priest would qualify under both categories.
---StrongAxe on 12/19/11


Thank you for your honest answer Ruben.

This is the doctrine of purgatory, "a place or condition of temporal punishment for those who, departing this life in God's grace, are, not entirely free from venial faults, or have not fully paid the satisfaction due to their transgressions."

To start, there's no such Scriptural teaching with regards to purgatory in any of the sixty-six books of the Holy Bible.

And if it was true, what then becomes of Jesus death at Calvary. Didn't the Bible say, "thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins." Matthew 1:21?

If you believe in purgatory, I assure you that Christ never died for your sins.
---christan on 12/19/11


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Mark2:7 Why doth this man thus speak blasphemies? who can forgive sins but God only?

Here's another verse to ponder:
Matt23:9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.
---trey on 12/19/11


Ruben, let me ask you one simple question about your faith (which you claim is rooted in Jesus Christ). A simple yes or no answer will do.

Do you believe in purgatory?
---christan on 12/17/11


Yes....
---Ruben on 12/17/11


Tradition of the church are not binding if they are not in the Word of God. Now if you lied for missing a church tradition, you sin because you lied, not for missing. All sin has to be cleared by God for sin is rebellion against God. No priest can forgive sins against God and others. Only God alone can forgive sins. Roman Catholics have many of man's traditions. They are not recognized by God. Prayers to Mary and saints, bowing and knelling down to them, purgatory, not eating meat on Friday's, gambling by playing bingo in the Church facilities and so many more.
---Mark_V. on 12/18/11


Ruben, let me ask you one simple question about your faith (which you claim is rooted in Jesus Christ). A simple yes or no answer will do.

Do you believe in purgatory?
---christan on 12/17/11

Yes...
---Ruben on 12/19/11


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Well, it is wrong to act like he is forgiving what is not a sin.

And if someone does what is a real sin, Jesus says, "'And whenever you stand praying, if you have anything against anyone, forgive him, that your Father in heaven may also forgive you your trespasses.'" (Mark 11:25) So, Jesus Himself wants us to forgive, while standing in prayer, and I understand this includes loving the forgiven person as ourselves, by praying with hope for that person, the same as we pray with hope for our own selves.

But if our attention is, instead, to things like what a day is . . . this can be a sin against where our attention really belongs.
---Bill_willa6989 on 12/17/11


For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:
That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.

Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuseth you, even Moses, in whom ye trust.
For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me.
But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?

Ye judge after the flesh, I judge no man.
And yet if I judge, my judgment is true!

But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.
---TheSeg on 12/17/11


Ruben, let me ask you one simple question about your faith (which you claim is rooted in Jesus Christ). A simple yes or no answer will do.

Do you believe in purgatory?
---christan on 12/17/11


A person may feel that a person has done wrong, but no person can forgive sin(s) except God.
---wivv on 12/16/11


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christan* Ruben, I cannot convict you of your belief and neither can you of mine. It seems to me from all your replies in your blogs, one important life seems to be missing - and that's the life of Jesus Christ.

The Holy Spirit does the conviction not us! Because I do not believe in your interpretation of scripture, I have no life in Jesus Christ! Really:)


---Ruben on 12/16/11


christan* law of God, "the wages of sin is death".

And like 1 Jhn 1:9 tells us " If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins" How did Jesus command us to do this? Scripture tell us:

Mt 9:8 "But when the multitudes saw it, they marvelled, and glorified God, which had given such power unto 'MEN'"

Jhn 20:2-23 "As my Father hath sent me, even so send I you. Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them,"

Acts 19:18 "Many also of those who were now believers came, confessing and divulging their practices"

Remember Jesus said to them:

"Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you" MT 28:20
---Ruben on 12/16/11


Lets say there is a man that everybody on earth owed a dollar too.
But before he died, he went round telling everyone all your debts are forgiven.
Also told everyone who heard, to tell everyone the same thing.
Now it may be hard for some to believe it or to even understand it.
Some might even say he would have to come out of the grave, for me to believe it.
This man said: If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

Who can forgive sins but God alone!
Jesus Christ on earth called himself, The Son Of God.
Even God called him son! Mat 17:5
So a Son Of God Did!
Peace!
---TheSeg on 12/15/11


"No, not with blood of goats and lambs, but with our own broken selfs. The OT went to the priest and Jesus did not come to destroy the law but to complete it!"

Ruben, I cannot convict you of your belief and neither can you of mine. It seems to me from all your replies in your blogs, one important life seems to be missing - and that's the life of Jesus Christ.

According to your message above, gong to the priest with your "broken self" is not the way to the kingdom of God. Believing in the Lord Jesus Christ is the only way, truth and life. For me, Jesus was the final priest and sacrifice that redeemed me from my sins as demanded by the law of God, "the wages of sin is death".
---christan on 12/15/11


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Ruben, it\s true the Levites were the priestly people whom God chose to only make an atonement between man and God during the OT. The atonement in the OT was with the blood of goats and lambs. Are you to tell me and everyone here that we should continue with this practice today going to the priests using the blood of goats and lambs? Really?

---christan on 12/14/11

No, not with blood of goats and lambs, but with our own broken selfs. The OT went to the priest and Jesus did not come to destroy the law but to complete it!
---Ruben on 12/15/11


Ruben: you quote James 5:13-16 to justify going to a "priest"? It says elders and not priest, what's your point? A priest is not an elder and confessing your sins to one another does not imply going to a priest either. Wanna try again?

---christan on 12/14/11

Christan, it first reads that the sick man goes to the elders of the Church and v 16 then say 'therefore' confess to one another. we know it is not merely speaking about just everybody confessing their sins to each other in the church, 'therefore links us back to the elders of the Church. if you wnat to use elders instead of priest that fine, but you still have a elders hearing your sins!
---Ruben on 12/15/11


Btw, I'm still waiting for you to show us the verse when you claimed, "Jesus himself ordained that we go to a priest for the forgiveness of sins (John 20:20-23)"
---christan on 12/14/11


All this is from God, who through Christ reconciled us to himself and gave us the ministry of reconciliation , that is, in Christ God was reconciling the world to himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and entrusting to us the message of reconciliation . So we are ambassadors for Christ, God making his appeal through us . We beseech you on behalf of Christ, be reconciled to God. (2 Cor 5:17-20)
---Ruben on 12/15/11


Ruben: you quote James 5:13-16 to justify going to a "priest"? It says elders and not priest.
---christan on 12/14/11


Encyclopedia
priest

(from Greek presbyteros: "elder"), in some Christian churches, an officer or minister who is intermediate between a bishop and a deacon.
---Ruben on 12/15/11


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Christan...thanks for putting me in my place. I must not be as educated as some.
---JIM on 12/15/11


Ruben: you quote James 5:13-16 to justify going to a "priest"? It says elders and not priest, what's your point? A priest is not an elder and confessing your sins to one another does not imply going to a priest either. Wanna try again?

Btw, I'm still waiting for you to show us the verse when you claimed, "Jesus himself ordained that we go to a priest for the forgiveness of sins (John 20:20-23)"

JIM: if forgiving one another sin is a given, I suggest you choose your words carefully in the future and not make a sweeping statement out of a quote from the Scripture like, "Even the Pharisees and teachers of the law got this one correct. Luke 5 21 "Who can forgive sins but God alone."
---christan on 12/14/11


Ruben, it\s true the Levites were the priestly people whom God chose to only make an atonement between man and God during the OT. The atonement in the OT was with the blood of goats and lambs. Are you to tell me and everyone here that we should continue with this practice today going to the priests using the blood of goats and lambs? Really?

If that's your conviction, Jesus death on the cross with his own blood was not meant for you. For the OT atonement was merely pointing to the final revelation of the atoning work of Christ at Calvary with His own blood which forgave the sins of His people once and for all.
---christan on 12/14/11


Show me the verse that you claim "Jesus himself ordained that we go to a priest for the forgiveness of sins(John 20:20-23)" in chapter 20 of John.
---christan on 12/13/11

Let's look at James 5 13:16

"Is any among you sick? Let him call for the elders of the Church, and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord, and the prayer of faith will save the sick man, and the Lord will raise him up, and if he has committed sins, he will be forgiven. Therefore confess your sins to one another,"

verse 16 tell us 'Therefore' (which by the way KJV eliminated from its translation), taks us back to call on the elders if we are sick..
---Ruben on 12/14/11


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Christian....I was refering to eternal life.When it comes to eternal salvation only God can forgive sin.
When it comes to forgiving a brother or sister who sinned against me or me against them then that is a given. We are told to forgive.
---JIM on 12/14/11


Jim & Anon, if by your understanding of what the both of you seem to claim, would you kindly explain Matthew 18:21-35 of the parable of the unforgiving servant as taught by Jesus Christ?

Was Jesus teaching in contrary of what He said, "Who can forgive sins but God alone." in Matthew 18:21-35? I don't think so, for Jesus does not contradict himself or the Father.

It will be interesting what your understanding of Matthew 18:21-35 will be.
---christan on 12/14/11


Eg, Matthew 8:4 was way before Christ was crucified at Calvary, which at that time He was still walking on this earth fulfilling the laws of the prophets.

christan

And if you recall in the OT the people would go to the preists and not directly to God. They inturn on behalf of the people would make offering to God for their sins:

"When a man is guilty in any of these, he shall confess he sin he has committed,: and he shall bring his guilt offering to the LORD for the sin which he has committed...,for a sin offering, and the priest shall make atonement for him for his sin .
Now to the NT!
---Ruben on 12/14/11


Show me the verse

---christan

Mk 2:7 Jesus says " To show you the son of man has authorithy on earth to forgive sins"... When the crowds saw it... and they glorified God, who had given such authorithy to 'MEN' (MT 9:8) Then Gospel of John chapter 20 Jesus said "As the Father send me I also send you", remember the Father send his son to do all kinds of things and one of them was to forgive sins, up to this point the Apostles were not commission to forgive sins. Here Jesus breath on them the same word use in Genesis 2:7 and the only other time breath is use 'Receive the Holy Spirit: If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven.." (Jhn 20:23)
---Ruben on 12/14/11


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If the Catholic Church set the Holy Day not God,not the Bible then I would think a priest can forgive a person for breaking a Church made rule,it isn't a sin since it doesn't disobey God's Word. He cannot forgive a sin which breaks God's laws in his Word,the Bible. No man can except we can forgive a person who has sinned against us but not the sin. Only God can forgive sin.
---Darlene_1 on 12/14/11


Even the Pharisees and teachers of the law got this one correct.
Luke 5 21 "Who can forgive sins but God alone."
---JIM on 12/14/11


NO Priest, NO Pastor, NO Prophet, NO MAN can forgive sin except Jesus Himself.

Whoever says a man/Priest can forgive sin is totally deceived and not believing the entire Word of God. OR their believing their own interpretation of it. Woe to them!!!
---anon on 12/14/11


I say not unto thee, Until seven times: but, Until seventy times seven.

But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.

But, these are sins man against man, right.
And youre talking about sins man against God.
So there must be two kinds of sins, youre seeing.
Are we saying there are two kinds of sins?

So, lets be clear about which sin!
Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men:
but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.

I dont know, if this is clear to you, is it?
They are forgiven. All you have to do now is, believe it!
God bless you.
---TheSeg on 12/13/11


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Dear Peter in Christ,

The Gospel of John chapter 20:23 must be read in context of the whole chapter, like any other verse we choose to quote.

Here in John 20 speaks of Christ's resurrection when He appeared to His apostles (His elect). One must remember that only His elect will receive the Holy Spirit. And when you have receive His Spirit, it means your sins have been forgiven of by the Father through faith and repentance. Since the Father has forgiven you, isn't it then natural that you will forgive those who sin against you?

We must then divide when one sin against you personally causing grief which we must forgive regardless and when one sin against the Holy Spirit by blaspheming against God, which we must not forgive.
---christan on 12/13/11


Ruben, you quote verses without understanding the period of the time it was written with regards to Christ walk and death.

Eg, Matthew 8:4 was way before Christ was crucified at Calvary, which at that time He was still walking on this earth fulfilling the laws of the prophets.

In John 20:20-23, Christ was already crucified, died and rose from the dead. Show me the verse that you claim "Jesus himself ordained that we go to a priest for the forgiveness of sins(John 20:20-23)" in chapter 20 of John.

Christ was the final high priest that entered the "Holy of Holies". Go read Hebrews 9 and 10 and may God give you understanding of the "forgiveness of sins" when He shed His blood at Calvary.
---christan on 12/13/11


christan

Mk 2:7 the scribes told Jesus "only God can forgives sins",Jesus response and said he as 'son of man', has authorithy on earth to forgive sins. Scriprure then tells us that the crowds glorified God because the authorithy to forgive sins was given to men , Mt 9:8. Jesus tell the apostles 'He who hears you hears me, He who rejects you rejects me ' Jesus gave this authorithy to forgive sins to the Apostles and their successors, if one rejects this way because they want to go the way of 'me and Jesus', then they are rejecting his words. Jesus himself ordained that we go to a priest for the forgiveness of sins(John 20:20-23) and we do as Jesus said in Mt 8:4 "Go, show yourself to the priest"
---Ruben on 12/13/11


All that a priest or pastor can do is to point to the repentant that there is forgiveness because of the once and for all sacrifice of Christ on the Cross. The repentant needs only to confess it and pray for cleansing of all his sins. 1 John 1:9

I do not believe a priest or pastor has been given authority to forgive sins as only God can forgive one of his sins. Mark 2:7b
---lee1538 on 12/13/11


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Christian: You have a point, of course.

On the other hand, there is that verse which is always confusing to me: 'Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them, and whosoever sins ye retain, they are retained' (John 20:23)

This APPEARS to give those who are in Christ the authority to not only forgive sins, but also to 'bind' sins

What does it mean? I always have trouble with that verse.

I merely send it as something that is confusing.

I do, naturally, take it to mean that when a bliever 'forgives', it is actually meant that God is asked, and does, forgive those sins - not that you or I actually Do the forgiving!
---Peter on 12/13/11


Yes, according to the Bible, a priest can forgive sins.

John 20
22And when he [Jesus] had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost:

23Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them...

There are similar words in James 5 about calling for the presbyters (whence the word "priest") of the church and making auricular confession to them.

Too bad Protestant ministers lack this authority.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/13/11


How can one forgive if in the first place, God never forgave his sins? For the Christian, Paul teaches,

"For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus" 1 Timothy 2:5

The instructions in the Scripture is clear, that we are to first repent to God and trust in Jesus Christ for the remission of our sins. Scripture does not teach us to go to a "priest" but directly to Jesus.

The Roman Catholic practise is clear and simple, it's rooted in Roman paganism using the name of Christ in vain. Paul warned the Christian,

"For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ." 2 Corinthians 11:13
---christan on 12/13/11


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