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Was This a Lying Spirit

In 1856, EGW said, I was shown the company present at the conference. Said the angel, Some food for worms, some subjects of the seven last plagues, some will be alive and remain upon the earth to be translated at the coming of Jesus. Was EGW listening to a fallen angel or lying spirit?

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David_J._Conklin //In her last public address she held up the Bible and said: "Gentlemen, I commend unto you this book."
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Yes, and she inspired a multitude of other books also.

From "White Washed" by Cleveland

{The books EGW produced during her 75 yrs would exceed her own height if stacked one on top of another. Compare that to a 2" Bible which contains divinely inspired writings of some 50 authors spanning over 1500 yrs. Is it logical to believe God gave so little to a billion Christians and so much to 10 million SDA which existed only for 147 years?}

Unfortunately Adventists are stuck with her interpretation of the Bible, no freedom of interpretation is granted to members.
---lee1538 on 3/12/12


>Only then may he be able to see that similarities between the angelical visions of Ellen White and those of Joseph Smith.

A Mormon scholar looked into the claim and he found no merit in it.
---David_J._Conklin on 3/12/12


>She always spoke, at best, according to herself.

In her last public address she held up the Bible and said: "Gentlemen, I commend unto you this book."
---David_J._Conklin on 3/12/12


\\Ellen White ALWAYS spoke according to the Old as well as New Testaments. You do not. It is YOU therefore that are the lying spirit.\\

Wrong.

She always spoke, at best, according to herself.

But frequently, she repeated the words of lying spirits, as I have given here.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/12/12


Jerry//Jesus Himself stated a person living over 2000 years ago would be alive to see Him come in the clouds.

Jesus also stated that His Father was "the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living." Mt. 22:32f

And Jesus also said that Abraham rejoiced to see His day.

"Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad. Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?" John 8:55f

So it can be surmised that Abraham and those who passed on were yet alive and saw the time of Jesus. Only their bodies were sleeping in the grave, not their spirit which were with Christ.
---lee1538 on 3/12/12




Leest: Now focus! Jesus Himself stated that a person living over 2000 years ago would be alive to see Him come in the clouds. Was He lying or is your interpretation wrong? It is the latter. There will be a special resurrection of a few select people just prior to His return. This is what EGW taught - not that people would live for hundreds of years. If EGW was wrong, then so was Jesus. On the other hand, just maybe YOU are wrong and they are right.


---jerry6593 on 3/12/12


//Are you suggesting that Jesus was listening to a fallen angel or a lying spirit?

Not at all however, Jesus did tell us to beware of angels that would preach another Jesus or a different gospel (Gal.1:8).

And that is basically the problem with Joseph Smith, Ellen White, and others who have made claims of angelic visitations.

I really wish that you would at least consider the possibility that Ellen did have a familiar spirit. Satan often mixes truth with falsehoods and appears as an angel from God bearing doctrines that the church has never taught.
---lee1538 on 3/11/12


This sounds an awful lot like what Jesus said to the high priest:

Mat 26:64 Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.

Are you suggesting that Jesus was listening to a fallen angel or a lying spirit?


---jerry6593 on 3/11/12


Both claim to be anointed by God (the one true church) to convert the world into the truth as they conceive of it, both have their own extra biblical literature, and both are truly enemies of God's people.
---lee1538 on 3/9/12

TAWWWWNN
---francis on 3/9/12


Suggest that Francis do his own study of Mormonism by reading their literature as well as the critiques.

Only then may he be able to see that similarities between the angelical visions of Ellen White and those of Joseph Smith. Both possessed familiar spirits.

Both claim to be anointed by God (the one true church) to convert the world into the truth as they conceive of it, both have their own extra biblical literature, and both are truly enemies of God's people.

OTOH, maybe those with weak minds should not study cults as they may fall into them and become apostates. We often see cultists joining competing cults after they leave a former cult.
---lee1538 on 3/9/12




Francis - They (Mormons) sure do claim to actually teach the Law of God and that like the prophetess of Adventism, is from their "anointed" prophet Joseph Smith. Like Ellen he also had his visions!---

---lee1538 on 3/8/12

LOL
---francis on 3/9/12


Francis - They (Mormons) sure do claim to actually teach the Law of God and that like the prophetess of Adventism, is from their "anointed" prophet Joseph Smith. Like Ellen he also had his visions!---

What proof do you require? quotations from the Book of Mormons, or the Pearl of Great Price, or Doctrines & Covenants?

Again angelical visitations have been seen in Mormonism, Adventism, Roman Catholicism as well as in Islam (the angel Gabriel gave Mohammed the Koran).

We are warned against such things in the Scripture (Galatians 1:8) and you are indeed a fool to ignore such warning.

Yes, it is true that Ellen had a familiar spirit.
---lee1538 on 3/8/12


They sure do claim to actually teach the Law of God and that like the prophetess of Adventism, is from their "annointed" prophet Joseph Smith. Like Ellen he also had his visions!---lee1538 on 3/7/12

LOL
---francis on 3/8/12


//Are you suggesting that Mormons actually teach the Law of God?

Are you kidding?
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They sure do claim to actually teach the Law of God and that like the prophetess of Adventism, is from their "annointed" prophet Joseph Smith. Like Ellen he also had his visions!

My cousins wife has been trying to convert me to Mormonism for the past year or so and I have read the Book of Mormons plus several of their other books by their living prophets. I know their doctrinal views very well.

I thank the Lord I have been able to be a witness to them and pray that they as well as the Adventists, will come into the truth some day.
---lee1538 on 3/7/12


Rhonda, Matt 5:48 "Be ye therefore perfect even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect....
*****

and all of your posts from Holy Scripture prove?????

if one wants to discuss passages from Holy Scripture they should ...why would one FOLLOW the teachings of someone when they don't believe what they teach?

many take so much time reading the words of those who write ABOUT Holy Scripture and condemn them yet clearly cannot comprehend what is WRITTEN in Gods Holy Word

one cannot rightly divide Gods TRUTH by spending time evaluating and entertaining themselves with others beliefs ...the contradiction is GLARING which is why you do not understand the passages you posted
---Rhonda on 3/6/12


Have you ever read or studied the Jesus of Mormonism?
---lee1538 on 3/6/12

Are you suggesting that Mormons actually teach the Law of God?

Are you kidding?
---francis on 3/6/12


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//Of all the people who you have mentioned who claimed to have spoken to an angel which of them TEACH THE LAW AND THE TESTIMONY OF JESUS?

Have you ever read or studied the Jesus of Mormonism?

And like Ellen White, Mormonism taught another Jesus as well as doctrines and beliefs foreign to the church.

2Cor. 11:4 For if someone comes and proclaims another Jesus than the one we proclaimed, or if you receive a different spirit from the one you received, or if you accept a different gospel from the one you accepted, you put up with it readily enough.

We need beware of angelical visitations like those of Joseph Smith & Ellen White trusting instead in scripture with interpretation given by the saints of His church.
---lee1538 on 3/6/12


What possible good reason may we have to believe the angel that was Ellen Whites 'attending angel' was not a demon masquerading as an angel of light? She offered nothing that would indicate she was sent by God.
---lee1538 on 3/5/12

To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

Of all the people who you have mentioned who claimed to have spoken to an angel which of them TEACH THE LAW AND THE TESTIMONY OF JESUS?

ANSWER ELLEN G WHITE
---francis on 3/6/12


Leest: "if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them."

Ellen White ALWAYS spoke according to the Old as well as New Testaments. You do not. It is YOU therefore that are the lying spirit.


---jerry6593 on 3/6/12


A lying spirit as was Ellen White is one who has a familiar spirit.

Isaiah 8:19-20 And when they shall say unto you, Seek unto them that have familiar spirits, and unto wizards that peep, and that mutter: should not a people seek unto their God? for the living to the dead? To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.
---lee1538 on 3/5/12


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Francis //nothing unusual about angels speaking to human beings.

Angels spoke to Joseph Smith & Ellen White as well as to Mohammed but brought new revelations.

You may not know that the Koran, the sacred text of Islam, was supposedly given to Mohammed through the angel Gabriel.

We are told to beware of those who have angelical visitations.

Galatians 1:8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed.

What possible good reason may we have to believe the angel that was Ellen Whites 'attending angel' was not a demon masquerading as an angel of light? She offered nothing that would indicate she was sent by God.
---lee1538 on 3/5/12


Ellen White does not speak according to the word. She adds to scripture. She tells us that Noah preached for 120 years when we know that God told Noah that he and his family would be the only ones to come thru the flood alive. God did not tell Noah to preach to anyone and Noah believed God.

Ellen White made no prophecies that came true. After many of her prophecies failed she made all future ones so vague that they could mean anything.

Anyone can claim to see or hear or be guided by an angel. In Daniel's case we can look back and see his angel spoke the truth and we can look forward and see the truth fulfilling itself.

It would be great if anyone could give us some prophecies of EGW that have been fulfilled.
---barb on 3/5/12


---lee1538 on 3/5/12
Daniel 9:21 Yea, whiles I was speaking in prayer, even the man Gabriel, whom I had seen in the vision at the beginning,.. informed me, and talked with me, and said, O Daniel, I am now come forth to give thee skill and understanding.

Revelation 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass, and he sent and signified [it] by his angel unto his servant John:

nothing unusual about angels speaking to human beings

The difference between Joseph Smith and E G White:
Isaiah 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.
---francis on 3/5/12


There is much in common with the visions of Joseph Smith and those of Ellen White. Both spoke of 'attending angels' that gave them their revelations.

Yes, barb is correct in that much of what Ellen White wrote was from the works of others. Even that much has already been proven by Adventist scholars - many who got excommunicated when they published their findings.

And she introducted doctrines that were never taught in the church since its conception.
---lee1538 on 3/5/12


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Rhonda, Matt 5:48 "Be ye therefore perfect even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect." I'm not perfect by any means but I strive for perfection.

Jesus taught us that God is a Spirit and that those who worship Him should do so in Spirit and in truth. John 4:21-24. We cannot worship the Father in Spirit and in truth if we follow false prophets and apostles. We have to measure every word they utter by the truth that Jesus teaches. John 10:1-5.

We have to beware of wolves in sheeps clothing. Matt 7:15.
---barb on 3/5/12


wonder why so many here love to bash this "EGW person" ...what an awful existence to be consumed with someone elses beliefs yet be against them!!

lying spirits everywhere today as Christ WARNED many would come in HIS name preaching against HIM

many denominations teach ideas not found in Holy Scripture like rcc's pagan mirtha traditions, those who teach and preach they have a license to sin in Christ etc

there are MANY false doctrines about Holy Scripture because Satan the god of this world, as the father of lies deceives many

Paul made many errors and corrected himself because Paul is human and this EGW person is human too

are you perfect? If you believe you are THEN you are NONE of Christs
---Rhonda on 3/4/12


She was listening to a lying spirit. There are many Adventists today who do not heed the teachings of Ellen White. She claimed visions from God when in reality she was copying the writings of others. She totally messed up on the end time prophecies including the 7 trumpets. Read Rev. 2:18-29 for the truth about EGW. She has led the servants of God astray. Follow Jesus as He was the Son of God and the greatest prophet and the only one we need to trust. John 18:37.
---barb on 3/4/12


>The SDA false gospel mixes law and grace.

That is NOT a teaching of the SDA church. The SDA church teaches that one is saved by grace.
---David_J._Conklin on 3/2/12

David_J._Conklin, according to Francis and other SDAs here it's the doers of the law who are justified and grace just enables you to do this.

But as we see in Rom 11:6 "if it is of works, then it is no more grace" which contradicts what the SDAs here claim.

Interestingly we see that SDAs fail at doing the law in spite of their claim that only the doers of the law are justified.
---Haz27 on 3/3/12


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\\That is NOT a teaching of the SDA church. The SDA church teaches that one is saved by grace.
---David_J._Conklin on 3/2/12\\

How do the false prophecies of EGW, an example of which I gave to start this blog, fit into this?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/3/12


//That is NOT a teaching of the SDA church. The SDA church teaches that one is saved by grace.
---David_J._Conklin on
Welcome Back!!!!

yes, however, the SDA is quick to say that grace is only a provision that enables one to observe the law and thus earn or merit salvation.

The Bible is very plain in teaching that the righteous live by faith alone depending upon the righteousness of Christ. Gal. 3,11, Romans 1:17

And they will also say that if you are saved you will observe the Jewish Sabbath, despite the fact that this has not been the testimony of His church since it conception.
---lee1538 on 3/3/12


>The SDA false gospel mixes law and grace.

That is NOT a teaching of the SDA church. The SDA church teaches that one is saved by grace.
---David_J._Conklin on 3/2/12


This is the old covenant. A verbal agreement that they would obey God and God would be their God. The old covenat is not the Law.

Exodus 19:5 Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine. And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.

Exodus 19:7 And Moses came and called for the elders of the people, and laid before their faces all these words which the LORD commanded him. And all the people answered together, and said, All that the LORD hath spoken we will do. And Moses returned the words of the people unto the LORD.
---francis on 3/2/12


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Hebrews 8:13 In speaking of a new covenant, he makes the first one obsolete. And what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.
---lee1538 on 3/2/12

You have confused the COVENANT with the LAW.

So show me from the OT what the olc covent was
---francis on 3/2/12


francis//Now you have made the statement what you have to do is PROVE IT using ONLY the word of God
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Hebrews 8:13 In speaking of a new covenant, he makes the first one obsolete. And what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.

Much of the unique theology of the Adventism is from the Old and OBSOLETE covenant, not from the New.

Take as only one example, SDA's belief one sins by what he eats. Jesus stated that what goes into the stomach does not defile but what comes from the heart. Matthew 15:17f, Mark 7:19

AND then

there is Romans 14:2 One person believes he may eat anything, while the weak person eats only vegetables.

Will you continue to reject the proof from scripture?
---lee1538 on 3/2/12


I see clearly from the Bible that SDA teachers are wrong, that they are contradictory and even teach doctrines not found in "that faith once delivered to the saints" (Jude 3)?
--lee1538 on 3/1/12

SDA teachers (EGW) are the blind leading the blind. The SDA false gospel mixes law and grace. BUT, Rom 11:6 says: And if by grace, then it is no longer of works, otherwise grace is no longer grace. But if it is of works, it is no longer grace, otherwise work is no longer work."

To the SDAs God says: "because you are lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will vomit you out of My mouth" Rev 3:16.

Your either justified by works of the law OR by grace. Mixing these 2, as SDAs do, is lukewarm.
---Haz27 on 3/2/12


If I did that then what do I do when I see clearly from the Bible that SDA teachers are wrong, that they are contradictory and even teach doctrines not found in "that faith once delivered to the saints" (Jude 3)?
--lee1538 on 3/1/12

Now that you have made the statement what you have to do is PROVE IT using ONLY the word of God
---francis on 3/1/12


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francis//By all means continue to learn from SDA teachers, but use the bible MORE
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If I did that then what do I do when I see clearly from the Bible that SDA teachers are wrong, that they are contradictory and even teach doctrines not found in "that faith once delivered to the saints" (Jude 3)?

And that is all too often the situation.

I do not believe Adventists have been given any special annointing by God to change what the Church has believed to be true since its conception.

Is Adventism really much different than Mormonism or other cults that have extrabiblical sources?
---lee1538 on 3/1/12


Francis //ANd I am not the only one here who has noticed that whenever your theology does not match the bible, you rant and rave and lie about what SDA believe without one shred of proof.

Have you provided any proof that the Christian must observe the Jewish Sabbath or the dietary laws? NO! all you have done is to point out that Jewish Christians and Gentile proselytes observed the Sabbath & the dietary laws. You are unable to point to a single command in the NT.

And is the New Testament really simply a rehash of the Old with only selected things fulfilled in the ministry of Christ? NO, but I have pointed out from Scripture that the Old Covenant became obsolete.
---lee1538 on 3/1/12


Is there any reason why I should not learn from the teachers the Lord has given His church-
---lee1538 on 3/1/12

By all means continue to learn from SDA teachers, but use the bible MORE
---francis on 3/1/12


//So why do you not use the bible? You use non biblical sources for your definitions
You miss represent other peoples views, but you cannot ever use the bible to show that your theoplgy is correct.
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Is there any reason why I should not learn from the teachers the Lord has given His church- most who have donated their entire lifes to the study of His Word?

Or must I rely totally on my own interpretations of Scripture?

You rely on olde Ellen White for your views however, it is all too easy to see from the commentaries that her theology is wrong. The Bible does not say what you think its says and your views are all too often contradictory.
---lee1538 on 3/1/12


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francis//DO YOU OWN A BIBLE!
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Yes, I own several different versions of the Bible including a Greek New Testament that I used when I took a class in Greek.
---lee1538 on 2/29/12

So why do you not use the bible?
You use non biblical sources for your definitions
You miss represent other peoples views, but you cannot ever use the bible to show that your theoplgy is correct.
ANd I am not the only one here who has noticed that whenever your theology does not match the bible, you rant and rave and lie about what SDA believe without one shred of proof.

I am unimmpresed by your degree, every single denomination has degreed people not impressive at all.
---francis on 2/29/12


francis//DO YOU OWN A BIBLE!
---
Yes, I own several different versions of the Bible including a Greek New Testament that I used when I took a class in Greek.

Also I have been reading the Bible for since becoming a Christian - some 50 years ago. I have learned it well and that is why I do not accept yours or the Adventists interpretation. I can all too easy see that what you believe is wrong and does not accord with that faith OnCE For ALL delivered to the saints Jude 3.
---lee1538 on 2/29/12


---lee1538 on 2/29/12
EVERY thing that SDA's post here we post with scripture, unlike you

EXAMPLES:
Barnes notes: The perfect law of liberty. Referring to the law of God,
---lee1538 on 2/27/12

Psalms 119:44 So shall I keep thy law continually for ever and ever. And I will walk at liberty: for I seek thy precepts.
---francis on 2/27/12

Acts 13:42 And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath.
---francis on 11/30/11

Did the majority of Christians observe Sunday as the day of worship by the 2d century? Apparently Bacchiocchi believed they did. Chapter 7, p. 213 --lee1538 on 11/28/11

DO YOU OWN A BIBLE!
---francis on 2/29/12


jerry6593//If your love for God is exemplified by your love for your fellow Christians, then God help you.
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Yes, I may have been instrumental in showing you that the foundation of your house is built on sand,not solid rock. If it were, then you would live by God's Spirit than by the law as all the law does is to reveal to you what sin is and your need for the Savior Jesus.

You and francis really need to stop and ask yourselves if what you are taught and believe is really the truth.
---lee1538 on 2/29/12


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Jerry - attending Church on Saturday is only a tradition that the Advenitst church follows. It can only be a tradition since there is viritually no command for the church to observe any day in the New covenant. 2 Th. 2:15, Romans 14:5f

However, you do good if you have communal worship on the Jewish Sabbath instead of the Lord's day as we are commanded to do so.

Hebrews 10:25NIV Let us not give up meeting together, as some are in the habit of doing, but let us encourage one another-and all the more as you see the Day approaching.
---lee1538 on 2/29/12


Jerry, you sound offended by the answers. Yet it's you who posted a lot of Questions concerning the Law in order to introduce Saturday Sabbath. Everyone has answered you with the Word of God. You defend the letter of the law, the others the spirit of the law. If you didn't impose your views on others, they would not answer you. For no one is telling you what to do, but you are telling everyone else what to do, and if they don't they are breaking the law but not you. EGW was instrumental in the conversion of Charles Russell, and also in the Adventist. That's Truth. Christ is Love, and when we don't show that Love towards God and our neighbor, Christ is not in us. This are the two most important commandments.
---Mark_V. on 2/29/12


Leest: I do not believe the things that you claim I believe. But, I do believe that you are in partnership with the other "Accuser of the Brethren". If your love for God is exemplified by your love for your fellow Christians, then God help you.


---jerry6593 on 2/28/12


Jerry //All this while claiming that the only remaining Commandment of God is "love thy neighbor". No wonder you are so confused.

It is obvious that you rejects the scripture that states love of neighbor fulfills the law. Romans 13:9-10

God is love and you simply believe one should not live by faith but by law. In fact, your Investigative Judgment theory is truly a salvation by works belief, not a salvation that is a gift from God. Eph. 2:8-10

Suggest get out from underneath the smelly skirts of olde Ellen White and find a church that teaches the truth of the Bible.

Adventism has truly made you immune to the truth of the gospel.
---lee1538 on 2/27/12


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Jerry //: It appears that your entire religious experience is founded on suppositions, missing scriptures, and intense, ugly religious bigotry.

It is very important that one heed the teachers the Lord has given to His church otherwise like you will continue to be 'tossed to and fro by the waves and carried about by every wind of doctrine, by human cunning, by craftiness in deceitful schemes".Eph. 4:14

And we can easily see that olde Ellen White and her minions have really done a job on you by their "craftiness & deceitful schmemes".
---lee1538 on 2/27/12


//It appears that your entire religious experience is founded on suppositions, missing scriptures, and intense, ugly religious bigotry.

Did that same "attending angel" that was a spirit guide to Ellen White reveal that to you or do you simply have a deep seated prejudice against those who are believe Christian are to live by faith in the guidance of God's Spirit?

Poor poor jerry boy continues to kick against the pricks of the truth!
---lee1538 on 2/27/12


Lee: It appears that your entire religious experience is founded on suppositions, missing scriptures, and intense, ugly religious bigotry. All this while claiming that the only remaining Commandment of God is "love thy neighbor". No wonder you are so confused.


---jerry6593 on 2/27/12


Jerry "I was perplexed and asked my attending angel who it was. He said, 'It is Satan. He is the conductor, in the form of an angel of light. He has taken the world captive. They are given over to strong delusions, to believe a lie that they may be damned.'" White, Ellen G. Early Writings (chapter on Spiritualism)

Like Joseph Smith, the founder of Mormonism, Ellen White often referred to her 'attending angel'. So we are more inclined to believe that she was the one that was listening to a lying spirit.

Ga 1:8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed.
---lee1538 on 2/26/12


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Jerry //You are listening to a lying spirit. I quote Scripture,...

While you quote scripture, you are totally unable to point to at least one command or even a hint of a command that Christians need observe the Jewish Sabbath.

Did the Holy Spirit FAIL to pen such a command?

Secondly, as you and church historians admit, the church no longer observed the Sabbath by 135 AD - less than 100 years after the Cross. That could only have happened if the Apostles & their immediate successors did not teach it.

As to lying Spirit, it is the Holy Spirit that guides, nourishes and convicts of sin, those that belong to Him. If I were in sin by not observing the Jewish Sabbath, I would certainly know of it.


---lee1538 on 2/26/12


Lee: You are listening to a lying spirit. I quote Scripture, and you respond with irrelevant ugly attacks. You have been shown previously that EGW's vision aligns with that of Jesus when He said to Caiaphas:

Mat 26:64 ... Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.

But, since the truth doesn't line up with your intense, bigoted hatred of SDAs, you dismiss it. Pitiful!


---jerry6593 on 2/26/12


If a person's vision does not line up with the Scriptures, then I would not put any attention to it.
---Eloy on 2/25/12


Jerry //Pro 28:9 He that turneth away his ear from hearing the law, even his prayer shall be abomination.

Now you decide if that applies to you.
---
Since it is a law that you may NOT light a fire on the Sabbath day, according to this proverb your prayers really have to be an abomination. Exodus 35:3

I believe a person does well to strive to obey all the laws especially the moral laws found in the Bible, but unlike you and poor francis, I would limit myself to those laws that are APPLICABLE to the Christian - not those which are not = the sabbath and the dietary laws - keystones of Adventism.
---lee1538 on 2/25/12


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yes, Jerry, I expected you to say that Ellen white's quotes really do not mean what they state, however, the evidence is really against her as well as against the Adventist church.

And yes Jerry boy, I do indeed have several of olde Ellen White's books and can use them to verify any misquotes that others may wish to provide.
---lee1538 on 2/25/12


Lee: Is there no depth to which you will not stoop in your raging hatred of SDAs? It is apparent that you get your info from hate-SDA websites and not from reading EGW. If you had gone to the source, you would read the full quote instead of an out-of-context snippet. The full quote is:

Satan has taken full possession of the churches AS A BODY. The sayings and doings of men are dwelt upon instead of the plain cutting truths of the word of God. Said the angel, The friendship and spirit of the world are at enmity with God.

Note that the SDA Church is not excluded from this group, and this view matches the NT view:

James 4:4 Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God?
---jerry6593 on 2/25/12


Lee-2: "They also believe prayers of other Christians are an "abomination" to God."

The word "other" is missing in the original, and again, SDAs are not excluded from this group. Soloman wrote:

Pro 28:9 He that turneth away his ear from hearing the law, even his prayer shall be abomination.

Now you decide if that applies to you.

The Bible itself defines the "remnant" church as those "which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ" (Rev 12:17), "the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy" (Rev 19:10).

Now you decide whether or not YOUR church fits the biblical definition.


---jerry6593 on 2/25/12


francis//Lee: "As for the cults there are 3 that claim to be the one true church."

If only you were capable of the truth!

Adventists will not tell others in their public seminars they consider themselves to be the only, true, remnant Church.

Their prophetess, Ellen G. White, whom they revere and believe without question has told them that "...Satan has taken full possession of the Churches". (Spiritual Gifts V.l,p.189-90)

They also believe prayers of other Christians are an "abomination" to God. (Spiritual Gifts, V1 p.190).

Adventists will tell others only what they may agree with to sucker them into their religion.
---lee1538 on 2/24/12


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//To correct your error once again, the SDA Church is one of the few to teach that God has his people in ALL Christian denominations. Does yours? Who is the cultist now?

Adventism really speaks out of both sides of their mouths saying on one hand that God can save anyone in any denominations while at the same time saying that only those who observe the 10 commandments are really Christians.

While Adventism would teach that salvation is apart from the law, their IJ theory is basically a soteriology of works.

Like other cults their teachings are truly contradictions and thus confusing.

It is all too easy to see that Ellen White was wrong in too many things.
---lee1538 on 2/24/12


Lee: "As for the cults there are 3 that claim to be the one true church."

To correct your error once again, the SDA Church is one of the few to teach that God has his people in ALL Christian denominations. Does yours? Who is the cultist now?


---jerry6593 on 2/22/12


1st cliff, half the churches mentiond started 19th century 1801-1900 so historically your still wrong
---anonymous on 1/13/12


Rev 1:18 I am he that liveth, and was dead, and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen, and have the keys of hell and of death.
Rev 1:19 Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter,

Rev 1:20
The mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in my right hand, and the seven golden candlesticks.
The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches: and the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches.

Parts may be parts!
And clearly Christ is not divided. As you can clearly see, the churches are in my right hand!
But none the less he is holding seven churches. Not my words, his!
Peace
---TheSeg on 12/28/11


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Aka, you are so right, only One True Church and that is the Spiritual Church of Christ. His body, His future wife.
The visible church will always be a mixture of wheat and tares.
---Mark_V. on 12/19/11


//How can there be one true church? If Christ in Rev 1:...So, shouldnt there be seven true churches?// theSeg

parts is parts...

there is no true church, there is one true body made of parts

1Co 12:27 Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular.
---aka on 12/18/11


1Cliff, I agree with your statement concering most of those you put down. Yet Pentacostalism has it roots in early Methodism, of the eighteenth century and the revilalism of Charles G. Finney in the first half of the nineteenth century. What I find that connects all those denominations is that they all follow the doctrine methods of the person and his/her teachings. They mixed truth of scripture with that persons vision or prophesy or interpretation. Even Islam had it's own prophet. In the Roma Catholic Church they have had hundreds of popes and church bishops dictating what is truth also. We are warned that those things would happen and to be aware of those who call error Truth.
---Mark_V. on 12/19/11


Anon. If you read my post it says "early 1900s"
Don't be so picky!
---1st_cliff on 12/17/11


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some need to ghet their history straith, the ^pentecostal movement didnt' start before 1907, so how can the pentecostal assemblies have started before. when making a comment please check.
---anonymous on 12/16/11


How can there be one true church?
If Christ in Rev 1:
The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass, and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:
Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw.

Said:
Rev 1:20 The mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in my right hand, and the seven golden candlesticks. The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches: and the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches.

Im just saying:
So, shouldnt there be seven true churches?
But, whos counting.
Peace
---TheSeg on 12/15/11


As for the cults there are 3 that claim to be the one true church.

1. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints

2. Jehovah's Witnesses

and

3. Seventh Day Adventists.

And all 3 have different sources of authority apart from scriptures and revelations not found in the church Christ founded.

The Mormons have the book of Mormons, being the revelation as given to Joseph Smith.

The Jehovah's Witnesses will tell you Christ came back to earth in 1914. The Watchtower is their continued revelation.

The Adventists will tell you that Christ entered the heavenly sanctuary back in 1844 and begin judgment. Ellen White is their infallible interpreter of Scripture.
---lee1538 on 12/15/11


Cluny, Maybe it was Moroni who spoke to Joseph Smith in the 1830s.
From then 'till early 1900s many new religions were born.
The Watchtower Society
Christian Science
Seventh day Adventists
Pentecostal Assemblies
Baha'i
Rosecrutions
Amy Semple McPhearson
etc. etc..

.
---1st_cliff on 12/15/11


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Probably neither, she most likely had temporal lobe epilepsy.
---Rod4Him on 12/15/11


What do you not understand about the question?

Assuming babies were being born at the conference the moment EGW received this revelation from her angel, they would be 155 years old now.

Do you know of anyone that old?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/15/11


Please clarify the question. Thanks
---joseph on 12/15/11


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