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"'Why do you call me good? Only God is good.'' Marc

The first question Marc should ask is: if Jesus said "only God is good" why did he correct the man for referring to him as such. If he is the Almighty and the Almighty is "good" there is no correction needed.

Clearly this verse identifies Christ as a distinct and separate person from the Almighty. Otherwise his words are meaningless.

Additionally the tired trinitarian spin that Marc attempts here is fatally flawed...unless Barnabas is God too:

"He [Barnabas] was a good man, full of the Holy Spirit..." Acts 11:24 NIV.

Paul's brothers in Rome were apparently God's too. Rom 15:14.
---scott on 12/30/11


The Holy Scripture: "Hearken to me, O Jacob and Israel, my called: I he, I the first and I the last. Come you all near to me, hear you all this: I have not spoken in secret from the beginning, from the time that it was, there I: and now the Lord Yhwh, and his Spirit, has sent me. Go you all therefore, and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. Because three being who bear witness in the heaven: the Father, the Word, and his Holy Ghost, and these the three in being: also three being who bear witness upon the earth: his Spirit, and his water, and his blood, and the triune his in being." Isaiah 48:12,16+ Mt.28:19+ I Jn.5:7,8.
---Eloy on 12/30/11


I John 5:7- Eloy

Poor Eloy. Reverting to the famously spurious text...

Dr. William Barclay states:

"The facts are...First, it does not occur in any Greek manuscript earlier than the 14th century. The great manuscripts belong to the 3rd and 4th centuries [most scholars date them to the 4th and 5th centuries], and it occurs in none of them...

...None of the great early fathers of the Church knew it. Jerome's original version of the [Latin]Vulgate does not include it. The first person to quote it is a Spanish heretic called Priscillian who died in A. D. 385. Thereafter it crept gradually into the Latin texts of the NT although, as we have seen, it did not gain an entry to the Greek manuscripts."
---scott on 12/28/11


"Hearken to me, O Jacob and Israel, my called: I he, I the first and I the last. Come you all near to me, hear you all this: I have not spoken in secret from the beginning, from the time that it was, there I: and now the Lord Yhwh, and his Spirit, has sent me. Go you all therefore, and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. Because three being who bear witness in the heaven: the Father, the Word, and his Holy Ghost, and these the three in being: also three being who bear witness upon the earth: his Spirit, and his water, and his blood, and the triune his in being." Isaiah 48:12,16+ Mt.28:19+ I Jn.5:7,8.
---Eloy on 12/28/11


"Where in scripture does it say God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy spirit are seperate?" Jim

I'll go one further...where does it say "God the Son" or "God the Holy Spirt" anywhere at all in scripture?

Take your time.
---scott on 12/27/11




MARKv Be careful in your in your argument & view points about JW. ACTS 5:38-39.and now I say unto YOU ,refrain from these men,and let them alone:for if the counsel or work be of MEN,it will come to nought.BUT if it be from GOD,ye cannot overtrow it,lest haply ye be found fighting against GOD . SO it is written in scritures...
---BUSTER on 12/27/11


scott.....Is Jesus eternal?
Has He always existed?
---JIM on 12/27/11


Proverbs 8:22-

1Cor 1:24- "To those whom God has called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God."


The New Bible Dictionary, 1982, p. 1257:

"Paul would view Jesus ... as the Wisdom of God. That Paul saw in Christ the fulfilment of Pr. 8:22 ff. seems apparent from Col. 1:15 ff., which strongly reflects the OT description of wisdom."

Today's Dictionary of the Bible, 1982, p. 389

"'Wisdom' [Prov 8:22-30] may be regarded not as a mere personification of the attribute of wisdom, but as a divine person, considered by many to clarify what John means by his use of logos in [John] 1:1-17."
---scott on 12/26/11


One can tell when Warwick has lost the argument when he starts to throw a tantrum and scream 'cult' whenever his beloved mystery-trinity dogma is torn to shreds by the clear truth of the Bible.

Warwick's antics are as predictable as the sun rising in the east and setting in the west. He can't answer straightforward questions about his man-made trinity because it will expose him as a promoter of antichrist propaganda.

Was Jesus God on earth and therefore 'spirit' cloaked in flesh, or a man and completely totally 'flesh'? (1 John 4:2,3) Warwick is evidently not free to answer because he is bound by his organisation to toe the trinity party line and for fear of exposure as promoting antichrist trinitarian teachings.
---David8318 on 12/26/11


Eric_Tippett, Jesus does not forgive unrepented sin, and there is no such things as a Santa in order to forgive a Santa.
---Eloy on 12/26/11




"You nearly slipped proverbs 8:22 past me." Warwick

I'm reminded of the old Carly Simon song...what was it?...'You're so vain, bet you think this blog is about you'.

Regarding whether Proverbs 8:22 is referring to Christ, you are at odds with (among others):

The Jerusalem Bible, Justin Martyr, John Calvin, Tertullian, Cyprian, Lactantius, Origin, (trinitarian) scholar Edmund Fortman, (trinitarian) scholar Dr. W. H. C. Frend, 'The Rise of Christianity', New Bible Dictionary, The New International Dictionary of New Testament Theology, The Ante-Nicene Fathers (Eerdmans, 1993), 'Documents of the Christian Church', (Oxford University Press), Today's Dictionary of the Bible, 'Dogmatic Theology', Vol. 1, etc.
---scott on 12/26/11


--CraigA, do you know what a metaphor is?--Christan

Yes, tyvm, Christan. Being almost 40 I do know what a metaphor is.

Assuming everyone else is an idiot or blind because we don't agree with you causes people to lose respect for you and ruins your witness for Christ. I'm sure the Holy Spirit is telling you that in your heart right now....IF you are listening.
---CraigA on 12/27/11


Scott, I don't want to convince you of anything. I don't have that powr. God changes the heart. Such a God cannot be found out by searching. He can be known only as He is revealed by the Holy Spirit through the Word. For the God of Scripture can only be known by those to whom He makes Himself known. I cannot convince you or make you believe in anything that is of God. What I do know is that the Holy Spirit of God has to convince you. He is called "the Spirit of our God" by Paul in 1 Cor. 6:11), And in the Greek texts of Acts 16:7) He is called "the Spirit of Christ". You seem to follow the 'Arius" believes of the fourth century. You need to be born of the Spirit Scott. I have no power to do that.
---Mark_V. on 12/27/11


Gordon Part 2: Who that is born of the Spirit ever say they don't need to be obedient to God? Do you hear that from others? I have never heard one Christian say that. If he already loves Christ as he is suppose in order to be a Christian, works should show his faith, but even that is not proof or does it save him, because then you would have to ask, how many works? Jehovah Witnesses don't know how much works they have to do to please God. Nor do those from Islam. Some believe they have to die by killing many, how many? "For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast"
---Mark_V. on 12/27/11


A man comes to Jesus and says ''Good teacher...''

Jesus replies, 'Why do you call me good? Only God is good.''

According to the Watchtower, then, Jesus is bad, bad, bad..because since he ain't God, he can't be good, according to Jesus' words as sifted through Watchtower doctrine!

According to the Church, however, Jesus must be good and so must be God...according to Jesus' own words, and logic.
---Marc on 12/27/11


re: Does Jesus Forgive Everything? Keeping in mind the unpardonable sin: homo-for-the-ghost, would Jesus forgive Santa?
---Eric_Tippett on 12/25/11


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b.c. you said to David,
"SATAN is making you WASTE YOUR TIME HERE"
Satan is making him waste his time alright. That is because he is preaching doctrines of demons as spoken of in ( 1 Tim. 4:1-16). "Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiveing spirits and doctrines of demons" That is what he is teaching.
Who is our Savior of those who believe? answer, Jesus Christ. Who does the Bible say saves? "For to this end we both labor and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Savior of all men, especially of those who believe." (1 Tim. 4:10).
---Mark_V. on 12/26/11


"God the Holy Spirit." Mark_V

It's fascinating to watch Trinitarians use this sort of language so casually (as if to suggest that it is found in God's word) and then accuse those who question it of being 'deaf' and 'blind'.

"When anyone hears the word of the kingdom..."

Perhaps Mark_V is suggesting that this (the kingdom) is code for the Trinity(?). What other doctrinal teachings (in addition to the Trinity) must be 'revealed' and are not specifically stated or taught in the scriptures?

"For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus." 1 Tim 2:5 NIV
---scott on 12/23/11


The Holy Bible says in JOHN 1:1 "In the Beginning was the Word, and the Word was with GOD, and the Word was God." The Bible says that the Word was God. Okay, then, Who is the Word? We go to JOHN 1:14 "And the Word was made Flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld His Glory, the Glory as of the only Begotten of the Father), full of Grace and Truth." Sounds like it's speaking of YAHUSHUA (JESUS). It IS speaking of YAHUSHUA. YAHUSHUA is God. He is the Son of GOD.
---Gordon on 12/23/11


Scott you wrote 'Note that the NKJV, ESV, NASB, RSV, ASV (etc) render the Greek words "En autos" (vs 16) as "Through Him" rather than "By Him".'

In reality these translations say everything created was created "by" Jesus, and "through" Jesus.

You zone in on "through" as though this means not "By" Him, that Jesus was but the agent through whom God created. This is completely contradicted by Hebrews 2:10 and Romans 11:36 which say eveything exists "through" God.

"Through" Jesus, "through" God, by Jesus by God. What's the difference?
---Warwick on 12/23/11


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Scott, you nearly slipped proverbs 8:22 past me. Proverbs chapter 8 is all about wisdom, not about the creation of anyone.

If 'wisdom' is another term for Jesus who is 'prudence' with whom He lives?-vs.12

If wisdom is something God created does that mean He had no wisdom before He created it?

I don't believe Jesus is the eldest in Jehovah's family of sons as JW literature claims-Reasoning from the Scriptures 1989 p. 408.
---Warwick on 12/23/11


The Seq, there is a difference between 'the God' and 'a god'. They are not the same.

At John 1:1, other translators render this, 'the Word was godlike', 'divine' or 'a divine being' (Benjamin Wilson, E J Goodspeed). This is I believe the correct understanding of John 1:1. The anarthrous predicate noun preceding the verb means 'theos' describes what the 'logos' to be. It doesn't identify 'logos' as 'the God' (ho theos) it is 'with'. Thus conforming to rules of Greek grammar and context. Otherwise you have 2 Gods- which is polytheism.

This concurs with what Paul said at Phil.2:6 regarding Jesus who, 'existed in the form of God.' (NAS) The Word was 'divine', 'a god', or 'existed in the form of God'. The 'Word was a god'- Jo.1:1.
---David8318 on 12/24/11


i believe Jesus is the only begotten(<---direct linage) Son of GOD,i believe Jesus is the Word of GOD,i believe Jesus is GOD's Righteousness,
i believe Jesus was the sacrifice for the sins of the world,i believe Jesus is Lord of my Life...
i believe GOD is much more than Word and Righteousness...
i believe GOD is my KING...
---kevin5443 on 12/24/11


God is the father an jesus is the son but they are one by the holy spirit. God said we are one once we keep his will.But we no were not god.But have his spirit that make us one.Because he said be ye holy as your heavenly father is holy.
---Charlenehendrix on 12/24/11


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Gordon, you said:
"There must be an understanding, first,"
That is for sure. Jesus said,
"When anyone hears the word of the kingdom, and does not understand it, then the wicked one comes and snatches away what was sown in his heart" (Matt. 13:19).
There is no use debating something with cults, seeing they do not see and hearing they do not hear, nor do they understand. Who can reveal spiritual truth to us but God the Holy Spirit. And if He is not God, how can they understand? The wicked one comes and snatches away the Truth from them, the Truth given to them.
---Mark_V. on 12/23/11


Col 1:16- Samuel

(Jesus) "who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation". Col 1:15

And Proverbs 8:22-

In The New Jerusalem Bible (1985), we find this verse rendered: Yahweh created me, first-fruits of his fashioning, before the oldest of his works.

The footnote says: "The expression first-fruits of his fashioning (lit. first-fruits of his way or of his ways...is linked to the title first born of every creature given to Christ by Paul, Col 1:15 and the title principle of Gods creation, Rv 3:14."

Note that the NKJV, ESV, NASB, RSV, ASV (etc) render the Greek words "En autos" (vs 16) as "Through Him" rather than "By Him".
---scott on 12/23/11


There must be an understanding, first, of "How many Persons make up GOD", before this Question can be answered. Is GOD "One Divine Person"? Or, is GOD "Three Persons in ONE"?
---Gordon on 12/22/11


David, we have been through this over and over. Different to free Christians you are locked into the man-made doctrines of a cult. If you don't submit to your leaders authority you will be dissfellowshipped. We all know exJW's who got the boot for some reason or other.

You are akin to a PR person for a political party who must defend the party line or they will be discarded.

Despite what you say you do have a anthropomorphic view of God. You imagine that as there is God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit this means there are three. This confusion comes only from your indoctrination.

---Warwick on 12/22/11


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David, Your rendition suggests that the Word was a false god then right? Calling the Word a god, but not The God. So you believe Jesus is a false god? You do not worship Jesus? Wow, I really hope someone is able to reach you with the truth before you pass into eternity.

BTW, I checked all Bible translations I could find and all of them says The Word was God, not a god. I checked 18 different translations, from the oldest (KJV) to the newest (Aramaic Bible in Plain English 2010). I could not find a single translation that says The Word was a god. What translation do you use and how many men were involved in the translation and checked it over and over again? And was it translated from the original texts?
---Jed on 12/22/11


Majority of Bible versions in John 1:1 declares, "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." clearly declaring Jesus Christ is God.

However, the JW New World Translation says, " In [the] beginning the Word was, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god." clearly the JW does not belief that Christ is One with the Father.

Why even bother to "debate" with unbelievers claiming to be believers, where the heart of the Word of God is Jesus Christ who's God? The JWs cannot even call God their Father which is what my Saviour Jesus has instructed me to call. That's why they are still stuck at Jehovah.
---christan on 12/22/11


Remember JEHOVAH is the one who draws people to him through his son JESUS CHRIST.JOHN 14:6

And while youre on your way dont forget Joh_6:44!
No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Also
Mat_5:23 Therefore if thou bring thy gift to the altar, and there rememberest that thy brother hath ought against thee,
Mat_5:24 Leave there thy gift before the altar, and go thy way, first be reconciled to thy brother, and then come and offer thy gift.
Or Mat_18:12, or even how you should love one another?

But, go thy way and Have faith in God.
Mar 11:23!
Blessed is he who comes in.
Peace
---TheSeg on 12/22/11


David Im reading what youve said.
And believe me Im trying to understand your points.

One would be that, Jesus is a god, but not Thee God.
Wouldnt this in itself be two gods?
Because God said clearly there is no other, in the before or after.
If there another god then Thee God is a liar or has change.

Then it comes to who made everything?
Because in the old, God from the beginning has clam he did.
And in the new, Christ says he did. This clam would have to be true.
If youre even going to consider Christ is anything from God.
So here again Thee God has lied or has change.

So are there two Gods?
Which one made everything?
Peace
---TheSeg on 12/22/11


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Jed, Jim,
Who did Jesus Christ identify as the only true God in prayer to his heavenly Father?

"Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent." John 17:3, NIV
---scott on 12/22/11


David8318 I've been on this blog(first time) BRO. DON'T waste your time debating with these persons. Remember JEHOVAH is the one who draws people to him through his son JESUS CHRIST.JOHN 14:6 ,SATAN is making you WASTE YOUR TIME HERE. Were trying to find sheeplike persons.The ministry work is what were encourage to do by the slave class(listen).SHAKE THE DUST OFF YOUR AND LEAVE.
---bc on 12/22/11


David...I see you are dodging this question.
Is Jesus eternal?
Has He always existed?
Your take on this will prove to be interesting.
---JIM on 12/22/11


Warwick, where have I said God is a physical man? You build up a ridiculous strawman argument in your own mind to knock it all down. Is that the best you can do?

I know Jehovah God is a spirit. That's what Jesus said about his Father when he was on earth- John 4:24. You however will defend the belief that 'Jesus is God'. If so, you teach what is antichrist. If Jesus is 'God', then he was always 'spirit'. This of course is the teaching of the antichrist- 1 John 4:2,3.

I think it is you who needs to check whether you believe God is some super human. I believe Jehovah God has always been 'a spirit'. God can never be man- Hosea 11:9. Do you believe Jesus was 'spirit' or 'flesh' when on earth?
---David8318 on 12/22/11


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Jesus is absolutely the Son of God, which doesn't negate His deity.
"And Jesus says our Father "has committed all judgment to the Son, that all should honor the Son just as they honor the Father"Jn 5:22-23"" Bill_willa6989 JUST AS THEY HONOR the Father: 'Just as' = equally.
God alone is judge throughout scripture, lots of references.
Ps 50:6 For God Himself is judge. As for His deity, Phil 2 who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God, but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men. And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient to the point of death, even the death of the cross.
---chria9396 on 12/22/11


Some people teach JESUS was created. But the Bible teaches that:

Col 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether [they be] thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

So JESUS had to exist before all things since He could not create himself.
---Samuel on 12/22/11


David//Where does the Bible say 'Jesus is God' or 'God is Christ'....In 1 Tim. it says God was manifest in the flesh. That goes along with the "Word" became flesh and dwelt among us.

Scott..you must also be a JW. Where in scripture does it say God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy spirit are seperate?

David or Scott...Is Jesus Christ eternal? Has He always existed? Lets here you take on this matter.
---JIM on 12/22/11


Paul,
Revelation 1 & #8194,A revelation by Jesus Christ, which God gave him, to show his ... [it] in signs through him to his slave John,

How can he be God, if God gave him the revelation?

Jesus, God the Son, is refering to God the Father in this statement. God is referred to as God in the trinity like "There is only one true God" or separately like your statement or 'God says "This is my Son whom I am well pleased"'. Both God the Son, God the Father and Holy Spirit exist equally and separately as God. Remember Jesus was worshiped, accused and killed for being God which he did not refuse or stop. So he is a sinner (broke 1st commandment) or God.
---Scott1 on 12/22/11


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David you view God in an anthropomorphic way, imagining Him a superman. However God is not a man (Numbers 23:19) but spirit (John 4:24) that is why the coming Messiah said a body had been prepared for him (Hebrews 10:5.). If God was a physical fleshly being you would be correct to say Trinitarians worship 3 Gods, but He isn't flesh but spirit. Therefore to say God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit equals 3 Gods is nonsensical because God is one spirit.

To in anyway liken God to physical man is just as as nonsensical as those who endeavour to equate eternity with time.

God is transcendent, totally independent of (and removed from) the physical universe, totally different from anything man has ever experienced.
---Warwick on 12/22/11


JIM- but your rendering of John 1:1 does have two 'God's'. You say 'the Word was with God, and the Word was God'. There are two God's in your rendering. The 'God' with whom the word was with AND 'the Word was God'. You teach there are two 'God's'- that's polytheism.

You don't answer my questions and expect me to continually answer yours. I've answered your direct question 'who do I say Jesus is'- so please give an answer to mine- Where does the Bible say 'Jesus is God' or 'God is Christ'? I will then answer your further questions.
---David8318 on 12/22/11


Jed, your rendering of John 1:1 says, 'the Word was with God, and the Word was God'. There are two 'God's' in your rendering- the God with whom the Word 'was with' AND also 'the Word was God'.

The correct non-polytheist rendering is, 'the Word was with God, and the Word was a god'. There is only one 'God' in this correct rendering- ie. the 'God' with whom the Word was with.

I only worship one God (YHWH) as commanded by Christ- Mt.4:10. As Paul said, 'there are many gods... (but) there is actually one God the Father'- 1 Cor.8:5,6. There's only one 'God' in Paul's statement here.

Yes 'the Word was a god'. But I do not worship 'the Word' who is simply 'a god'. I worship 'the God (ho theos) with whom the Word was with'- Jo.1:1.
---David8318 on 12/22/11


David, your statement makes no sense at all. How does saying "The Word was God" suggest that there are multiple Gods? Your translation of "a god" suggests that there are multiple gods, not one. I mean really, just say the two versions out loud and see which one sounds like there is more than one God. "Jesus is God", or "Jesus is a god"? Which one suggests the existence of multiple gods? Yours does.
---Jed on 12/22/11


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David...let's see what you really think.
Is Jesus Michael the archangel?
---JIM on 12/22/11


David... No where did i say there are two. You being a JW do not belive in one God in three forms.Can you answer any of the next 2 questions?

Is Jesus Christ eternal?
Has He always existed?
If Jesus is eternal than He is God.
---JIM on 12/22/11


"Yhwh, he God, none else. Yeshuah (Jesus) says: Truly, truly, I say to you, Before Abraham came into being, I Am. For I am The Lord. I level my life, and I raise it again. I am The Almighty. He that has seen me has seen The Father. And no one always stepped in heaven except he out of heaven came down, the Son of man who from being in the heaven. And Jesus went to them, walking on the sea, and said, Take courage: I am, be not afraid. I am Light to the world. I am from above, I am not of this world: for if you all believe not that I Am, you all will die in your sins. Which of you maligns me of sin? I am the door, by me if anyone enter in, that one will be Saved. I am the Good Shepherd: the Good Shepherd gives his life for the sheep."
---Eloy on 12/22/11


JIM- notice I answered your question with a scripture. Interesting you haven't answered my question, neither have you quoted a scripture. Why? Are you ashamed to use the Bible in defence of your belief? Or is it that your belief is scripturally indefensable? Where does the Bible say 'Jesus is God'?

You do however say- 'If the "Word" was with God and the "Word" was God and the "Word" became flesh and dwelt among us, I would say He is God.'

If you believe the 'Word' was with God and the 'Word was God', then you are teaching there are two 'God's'. You teach polytheism. Correct non-polytheist, non-trinitarian rendering- 'the Word was with God, and the Word was a god'- Jo.1:1.
---David8318 on 12/22/11


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CraigA, do you know what a metaphor is? When Paul wrote, "In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not", does not imply that satan is god but he is only to those whom God is not going to save.

If satan was god as you seem to believe, his "powers" are only as far as God has purposed them. Yes, God created and controls satan for His Holy purpose. How do we know his?

"And the LORD said to Satan, Behold, all that he has is in your power, only do not lay a hand on his person." Job 1:12

Does this account tell us that satan is god? He was given an instruction by God and had to obey, for Job's life was not taken as instructed by God unto satan.
---christan on 12/22/11


Jesus said, before Abraham was, I Am. That makes Jesus Christ God.
---Lawrence_Nemeth on 12/22/11


We can see very plainly here whom are the real born-again Christians. All whom dis Christ as being less than Almighty God just he has declared by his own mouth, and less than perfect and holy and true is the antiChrist. For Christ Jesus not only said that he was The Almighty God, but he has also proved his identity to the whole world by doing the miracles that only God can do, even to the extent of raising himself back up bodily from the dead exactly as he said that he would do, after being crucified by the hands of wicked and unbelieving sinners.
---Eloy on 12/22/11


Paul, We Christians know God, for we bear his name, Christ: Yhwh is Yeshuah: Jesus is God. Jesus is Emmanuel: God with us. Know you all that Jesus, he God, none else. Papa yeshuah, the one and only true God, and eternal life. Jesus is my Father, Papa yahwah, yahagahan elohim. Lord Iesous alone is my Lord and my God, he alone is become my Salvation. Jesus is worthy of all worship and worthy of all acceptance. Jesus is my Lord and my Redeemer, The Almighty, he conquered death and hell and the grave. There is none like unto him. Hallelujah! Praise the Lord! for he is worthy to be praised. You are worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honor and power, now and forever always, Amen.
---Eloy on 12/22/11


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David, you made some great accusations about Christians and included satan as your defense. I don't believe anyone has said such things to you and your believes.
We know that Christ is God not by one passage but by the whole of Scripture. He is identified with many names. He is the eternal Son of God. The second person of the Trinity. In deity He is God. Every attribute given to the Father is given to Christ. The divine attributes ascribed to Christ present a clear revelation that in Him "the whole fulness of deity dwells bodily" ( Col. 2:9). It is also evident that Christ is declared by the word of God to be eternal (Micah 5:2: John 8:58: Col. 1:16,17: Rev. 1:8).
---Mark_V. on 12/22/11


He is A god, but not the ONE TRUE GOD.
CraigA on 12/22/11


Im trying to think of something to say.
Have a nice day.
Peace!
---TheSeg on 12/22/11


David...If the "Word" was with God and the "Word" was God and the "Word" became flesh and dwelt among us, I would say He is God.
---JIM on 12/22/11


--And who said satan was a god?--Christan

Scripture. 2 Cor 4:4

He is A god, but not the ONE TRUE GOD.
---CraigA on 12/22/11


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John says, "Whoever confesses that Jesus is the Son of God, God abides in him, and he in God." (1 John 4:15) So, John does not say "He who confesses that Jesus is God," but "confesses that Jesus is the Son of God". So, this is what God wants, if He says this.

Jesus is the Son of God.

And Jesus says our Father "has committed all judgment to the Son, that all should honor the Son just as they honor the Father" (in John 5:22-23).

But there are people who say Jesus is God's Son, but they do not honor Jesus as they honor our Father. Anyone can argue, but honoring Jesus like we honor our Father is what He wants.
---Bill_willa6989 on 12/22/11


Genesis 1:1 "In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth." Who is the Creator? God is.

Colossians 1:16,17 "For by him (Jesus) all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities-all things were created through him and for him. He is before all things, and in him all things hold together." Who is Creator? Jesus is.

Hebrews 2:10 "...it was fitting that God, for whom and through whom everything exists..."

Who is the Creator "for whom and through whom" everything was created? Scripture says this is true of God and Jesus therefore they must be one and the same. And they are.
---Warwick on 12/21/11


"You see, there are many gods. But ONLY one Almighty God!" Paul

I hope you are not implying that Jesus Christ is one of the many gods and not One with the Almighty God or as known to the Christian, our Father? He is known in the Scripture as the Son of God. Do you have a problem with that?

And who said satan was a god? Paul simply describe him as " the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience" Ephesians 2:2. Satan is a created being of God to serve His Holy purpose. No one but God (the Father, Son and Holy Spirit) can create something out of nothing, and that include satan.
---christan on 12/21/11


Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.

Do ye look on things after the outward appearance?
If any man trust to himself that he is Christ's, let him of himself think this again, that, as he is Christ's, even so are we Christ's.

Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.

I and my Father are one!
Hear, O Israel, The Lord our God is one Lord!
I, even I, am the LORD, and beside me there is no saviour.


Now if you know something is true!
Will it change because someone doesnt believe it?

Love this line Joh_4:10!
Luk_12:26, its ok, I know what Im saying.
Peace
---TheSeg on 12/21/11


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Somebody is RIGHT & somebody is WRONG> ROM 10:2 & JOHN 17:3 KJV
---bc on 12/21/11


MICA Q are the scrip at REV. CHAP 1: 8,11 CHAP 21:6 INSPIRED BY GOD SCRIP?
---BERNIE on 12/21/11


JIM- I'll answer your question with a scripture:

Jesus asked, 'Who do you say I am? Simon Peter answered, 'You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.' Jesus replied, 'Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by man, but by my Father in heaven''- Matthew 16:15-17.

My sentiments entirely JIM! I'm in full agreement with Peter. I'm thankful that this truth has been revealed by Jesus' Father- Jehovah God.

Let me ask you- Where does it say 'God is Christ' or 'Jesus is God'?
---David8318 on 12/21/11


John 1 also says He was God.

Hard for some to wrap their minds around, taking only the part of scripture they understand and throwing away the rest.
---micha9334 on 12/21/11


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Chris,
Isn't Satan called the God of this system of things?

You see, there are many gods. But ONLY one Almighty God!
---Paul on 12/21/11


Its amazing, right!
I mean that one can say no, he is not, and another can say, yes he is!
And they will fight you to the end, because they are right.
You cant talk to this!

What Christ said inMat_11:27, to me means!
You cant know the son, unless you know the father.
Nor can you know the father, unless you know the son.
And if you dont know these, how can you know of the Spirit within you?

Maybe a good place to start is to try and understand your father.
So that you can honor the son, as the father honor the son.
Because only those who honor the son. Honor the Father!
And remember this. It is the Spirit of truth!
---TheSeg on 12/21/11


David....JW's (which i presume you are) say that Jesus is michael the Archangel.
Let me ask you......Who do you say that Jesus is?
---JIM on 12/21/11


Paul, When Jesus asked "Who do you say I am?" not one of them said "You are God" no Jesus said the correct answer was "Christ Son of the living God"
He is God's Son , not His own Son, not His own Father they are two not one,tyey are only "one" in unity!
Jn.1 says the Logos was "with" God no one is "with" themselves. With = more than one!
Son did not "beget the Father!
Father "begot" the Son.
It could not possibly be more plain than that!
---1st_cliff on 12/21/11


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Is Jesus God? Yes, most definitely.Heb 1:8-12. The Father calls Him God, tells of His attributes, of the heavens being the work of His hand...heaven and earth will perish, but (vs 12) "...You remain the same and your years will never end" God/Jesus Christ is the One who is the same yesterday, today and forever for He is eternal.
John 1:1-3,14 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made. And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth."
---chria9396 on 12/21/11


Paul- no, Jesus is not 'God' but the 'Son of God'. The Bible does not say 'Jesus is God', neither does it teach that God became Christ.

The 'Jesus is God' teaching is from the old mystery-trinity dogma which has no basis in scripture. The trinity pre-dates Christianity and is found in many pagan false religions stretching back to Babylon and Egypt. While pagan Egypt worshipped its trinity the Israelites worshipped 'one God (YHWH, Jehovah)'- Deut.6:4.

Christendom has copied pagan Egypt's triune god, used Neo-Platonic philosophy to teach it, sullied the Bible with it and misled millions. The trinity is never a force for peace and unity. Trinitarian false prophets have been and are recruitment agencies for Mr.Satan's war machine.
---David8318 on 12/21/11


The Almighty putting on flesh. "And without controversy, great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached to the Gentiles, believed in world, elevated up with glory. In beginning being the Word, and the Word being from God, and God being the Word. And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. And we know that the Son from God is come, and has given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true: and we are in him that is true, in his Son Jesus Christ, this is the true God and eternal life. Little children, keep yourselves from idols. A-men."
---Eloy on 12/21/11


Paul, you have a good point about rev 1:1 This is some what like the SCRIP. MATT 28:18 JESUS said "ALL power is GIVEN unto me in heaven and in earth KJV
---bc on 12/21/11


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Paul, is your question a sincere question requiring a sincere answer or is your question one of entrapment like the Jews and Pharisees during Christ's time on earth?
---christan on 12/21/11


Paul, you have a good point about rev 1:1 This is some what like the SCRIP. MATT 28:18 JESUS said "ALL power is GIVEN unto me in heaven and in earth KJV
---bc on 12/21/11


Im confused.
Why does it say this in the King James bible?
And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
How can Jesus be God if he is sent forth?
---Paul on 12/21/11


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