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Where in the bible does it prove there is a trinity?

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David/Scott, you guys sin against the Holy Spirit. Jesus said,
"But whoever denies Me before men, him I will also deny before My Father who is in heaven." by denying Jesus before men speak against the Holy Spirit, for "whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it will not be forgiven him, either in this age or the age to come"
Both of you know Jesus and reject Him anyway sin "against" the Holy Spirit because it is the Holy Spirit who testifies of Christ and makes His truth known to us (John 15:26: 16:15,15). No forgivenss is possible for those who know the truth of His claim and still blasphemed because they have already rejected the fullest possible revelation (Heb. 6:4-6: 10:29).
---Mark_V. on 1/2/12


Christian, You are so shallow! People "worship" all manner of things and people,does that make them a "deity?" (yes but only in their minds)

Warwick, I notice that (again)you say that Thomas has the final authority to state who is God!(even when he was shocked)because "Thomas" uttered these words they absolutely cannot be disputed!(even over Peter)
Strange thing though,he never spoke up when Jesus asked His disciples"Who do you say I am?"
---st_cliff on 1/2/12


1st Cliff,

Zechariah 12: 10 says ''I [YHWH] will pour on the house of David...then they will look ON ME [Hebrew: ali = proposition + indirect object first person singular] WHOM they HAVE PIERCED''.

The NEW World Translation DISHONESTLY omits this and tries to trick you that the person being pierced is not the speaker i.e. YHWH. It's YHWH being pierced.
---Marc on 1/2/12


//"You call us Polytheists" aka

Perhaps you have forgotten that several months ago you said that you did not consider your self trinitarian, believed that all three were Gods and were fine being called a polytheist.//

that is not what i said in totality. you just excerpted what i did say to quicken your thesis...just like you do with scripture.



//Oh and...take your time.//

your own mockings mock you now.
---aka on 1/2/12


you guys can quote all the Scriptures you want but if Jesus is not God to you - you are going to hell because of your unbelief.
****

interesting and amusing how so many self-imposed "christians" LOVE to send people to hell or let them know they are "going there"

The Father in Heaven is GOD

Christ is GOD

the god of this world who is Satan 2Corin 4:4 will reign until Christ returns to restore Gods Kingdom on earth

until then the trinity god embraced by modern day false christians will continue to be spread around the globe because the god of this world BLINDS and DECEIVES MANY 2Corin 11:4 and many prefer to put up with religious LIES rather than TRUTH from Holy Scripture
---Rhonda on 1/2/12




I believe in only One GOD who is three persons. Witness believe in multiple gods that are true gods. That is one of the differences.

Greco-Roman poets write about his ascent to heaven after his birth and his obeisance to Zeus , king of the gods.

Obeisance can be done only to gods and those of higher station. So it can be used as a synonym for worship. Did anyone here know that?
---Samuel on 1/2/12


"Exodus 7:1- Foolishness"~ Warwick

What is the Hebrew word for "like" in this verse?

Of course Moses is not the Almighty God, but clearly the same Hebrew and Greek words for "God", Elohim and "Theos", scripturally apply to men, angels and The Almighty.
---Scott on 1/2/12


David8318, 1stCliff, Scott - you guys can quote all the Scriptures you want but if Jesus is not God to you - you are going to hell because of your unbelief.

Now explain these verses that contradicts your foolishness.

"Saying, Where is He that is born King of the Jews? for we have seen His star in the east, and are come to worship Him." Matthew 2:2, "And, behold, there came a leper and worshipped Him, saying, Lord, if thou wilt, thou canst make me clean." Matthew 8:2

There are many more verses of such act of those who "worshiped" Jesus Christ, confirming He's God and you continue to to reject His deity? Adios!
---christan on 1/2/12


It is foolishness to claim Exodus 7:1 portrays Moses as God. 'And the LORD said to Moses, "See, I have made you like God to Pharaoh,..."' You propose God made another God! By doing great miracles through Moses God (as the text continues) is making Moses far more powerful than Pharoah's magicians, like God to them. This is of particular significance as Pharoah was considered to be God.

When you twist Scripture (as you attempted with Proverbs 8:22) you show the paucity of your argument.

Compare Exodus 7:1 with John 20:28-Thomas directly calls Jesus The Lord of me and the God of me (ho Theos Greek-The God) but you cannot accept the obvious. But try to make the 1 God a creator of another God!
---Warwick on 1/1/12


Marc, My bible says God (YHWH)
is immortal.
You say He died...I believe scripture over your assumption!
---1st_cliff on 1/1/12




Christan, keeping to your original question for a moment, do you now agree that salvation is based both on one being 'declared righteous by faith apart from works' and being 'declared righteous by works, and not by faith alone'? Romans 3:28, James 2:24. If you can't agree on scripture, then there is no basis for discussion between us on this matter.

I don't believe we earn salvation through works such as publicly preaching 'from house to house' (Acts 5:42 NIV), neither do I believe they prove salvation.

Rather these 'works' are evidence of our strong faith. To echo Paul's words, 'It is written: 'I believed, therefore I have spoken.' With that same spirit of faith we also believe and therefore speak'- 2 Cor.4:13.
---David8318 on 1/1/12


Angels are not called on to worship men or bow down in holy respect to them. But they are to JESUS and they do so willingly.

After all JESUS created them as he created all created things. Since he was never created for he could not create himself. I corithinas 8:6.

We are commanded to honour the son like we do the Father.

Jhn 5:23 That all [men] should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.

I follow this commandment.
---Samuel on 1/1/12


"You call us Polytheists" aka

Perhaps you have forgotten that several months ago you said that you did not consider your self trinitarian, believed that all three were Gods and were fine being called a polytheist.

I might recommend chosing a position and sticking with it or at least...figure out what you believe.

Oh and...take your time.
---scott on 1/1/12


"You call us Polytheists" aka

Perhaps you have forgotten that several months ago you said that you did not consider your self trinitarian, believed that all three were Gods and were fine being called a polytheist.

I might recommend chosing a position and sticking with it or at least...figure out what you believe.

Oh and...take your time.
---scott on 1/1/12


Warwick,

I'll give you a clue as to the identity of the guiding hand behind the JW New World [mis]Translation's change from 'worship' to 'obeisance': it wasn't God. OK!
---Marc on 1/1/12


David, in the real world Hebrews 1:3 is another Scripture which affirms the deity of Jesus. 'Sitting at the right hand' is a term which includes actual sitting but also means 'abides.' That Jesus is described as sitting/abiding on God's right hand means He is one with, and equal to God. The term 'right hand' by itself signifies the might of God.

In Psalm 45:6 the Psalmist says "Your throne O God will last for ever and ever" and you say he is not talking to and about God?

BTW we are still await your answer:

Your New World Translation in 1961, said you should 'worship' Jesus Hebrews 1:6. However the 1971 version says you should merely do 'obeisance to Jesus! Who changed their mind? Was it God or man?
---Warwick on 12/31/11


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//..(broad-range) use of the words Elohim and Theos. Remember that Moses (Ex 7:1) is referred to as God (Elohim). Moses simply had a position of power assigned to him by the Almighty.//

you say the party line answer all the time disregarding the people who point out the contextual error.

people = just read the whole text. jws only know the part of scripture that they are told to read.

scott, you call us polytheists and you say jesus was A god. that makes two gods, which qualifies you for polytheist status.

(Now, change the definition of gods saying there is One big God and lots of little gods. a god is a god. in addition, lump me into whatever group you want but you are a polytheist just like me. :~)
---aka on 12/31/11


Scott, Watchtower demands you 'should meekly go with Lord's theocratic organisation and not pit your human reasoning against Jehovah's channel' (Watchtower, 2/1/52). It's unsurprising you can't see Jesus is YHWH (Jeremiah 23:6). Because you're forbidden to differentiate symbolic from concrete you won't see implication that Jesus is between the altar's two cherubim where God meets and died for man in Psalm 80:1, Exodus 25: 22, John 10:14, 20:12. Genesis 22:14 means 'YHWH will provide' Abraham and all nations. Provide what? A ram (lamb) i.e. Jesus. Because YHWH has sworn by Himself (Genesis 22:16) He gives Himself rather than a creature. And Exodus 17:15 has the name YHWH on the altar. Why? Because this is where YHWH meets man and dies for man.
---Marc on 12/31/11


Christan conveniently omits Hebrews 1:3. In fact, Hebrews 1:1-8 provide confirmation that those sucked into and indoctrinated with the Hellenic trinity doctrine become polytheists.

The truth is as the scriptures state. Jesus is the 'Son' who sits 'at the right-hand' of God- Heb.1:3.

Hebrews 1:8 does not teach Jesus is given God's throne to sit on. This contradicts what has already been stated in verse 3. Rather, God's 'throne' becomes the source and support of Christ's rulership.

This correct understanding becomes clear when Psalms 45:6 which Heb.1:8 quotes is examined. The Psalmist didn't believe the human king he wrote about was Jehovah. Thus the 'Son' at Heb.1:8 is not also Jehovah God.
---David8318 on 12/30/11


david,

where are Pioneers, Auxiliary Pioneers, District Overseers, Circuit Overseers, Bethelites, and Kingdom Halls using scripture?

as scott always mockingly tells others, "take your time."
---aka on 12/30/11


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"Hard time believing Jesus Christ is God." Christian

No, I believe that Jesus is "God" according to the biblical, Judeo/Christian (broad-range) use of the words Elohim and Theos. Remember that Moses (Ex 7:1) is referred to as God (Elohim). Moses simply had a position of power assigned to him by the Almighty.

Regarding "worship"...are you aware that Matt 18:26 has a man receiving worship (proskuneo)?

That's why, most Lexicons highlight the biblical understanding of proskuneo (worship) similarly to the ASV footnote for John 9:38:

"[Proskuneo] denotes an act of reverence, whether paid to a creature, as here [Jesus], or to the Creator."
---scott on 12/30/11


Christan, Jesus does not call himself 'ego eimi' at John 8:58 or anything else in this verse. The Jews are questioning Jesus with regard to his age, not his identity.

Must the expression 'I Am' be used in both John 8:58 and Exodus 3:14? No because these verses do not express the same thought.

Exodus 3:14 in LXX reads, 'ego eimi ho ohn': 'I am the Being.' This is different from the simple use of the words 'ego eimi' at John 8:58. The verb 'eimi', at John 8:58, is in the 'historical present' (ie. it antedates the differentiation into imperfect and aorist). Jesus was speaking about himself in relation to Abrahams past.

'Prin Abra-am ge-ne-sthai ego eimi': 'Before Abraham came into existence, I have been.'
---David8318 on 12/30/11


Christian cites John 5:36-

"But I have greater witness than that of John: for the works which the Father hath given me to finish, the same works that I do, bear witness of me, that the Father hath sent me."

Then he says "which confirms that Jesus is the Son of God..."

Agreed!

"...and God."

No. Nothing in this verse suggests such a thing. This is a perfect example of eisegesis. (Note that angels are also called 'sons of God- Job 38:7 as is Adam- Luke 3:23-38)

Additionally- Please explain how God sends himself.
---scott on 12/30/11


aka, I don't have a definition but the Names and origen's book says Michael= "Who is like God"
Possibly question,possibly statement!
---1st_cliff on 12/30/11


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David8318, wonderful that you know how to quote verses from the Scriptures. But let me asked you this question you quoted from Romans 3:28, James 2:24, who's righteousness is Paul and James talking about that the Christian has received? Is it the man's own or Christ's righteousness that Paul is referring to?

And when you quote "Fight the fine fight of the faith,' and to 'run with endurance", does the Scripture imply that this can be done on your own outside of the grace of God through His Holy Spirit?

The context of James 2:17 is that if you are born of the Spirit, it's a given that God has prepared good works for you to do (Ephesians 2:10). Your attitude is, you go in search of works to prove you are save.
---christan on 12/30/11


David, know I have many times given Scriptures which show the Godhead is comprised of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

The Scriptures I gave yesterday were not intended to show the complete Trinity but to demonstrate Scott is wrong regarding Jeremiah 23:6 and 33:16.

Further in John 14:8,9 Phillip asks to see the Father and Jesus replies "Don't you know me, Philip....Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father." I look forward to hear how you explain this away in your indoctrinated tortured reasoning.

We have already seen you distort John 20:28 out of all recognition. You know where Thomas calls Jesus The Lord of me and the God of me. But you say he doesn't. You must have great trouble with stop signs!
---Warwick on 12/30/11


The only other beings that was with God in Gen.1 v 26 are the angels.
When God would dispatch an angel to do a task & was in human form ( a glorified like body ). God sent to help Lot & his family to get out. God sent angels in other situations.
The trinity teachings came from here, 2nd.Cor.11 v's 14 - 15 & God Put Them Here, Rev.17 v's 4 - 6.
---Lawrence_Nemeth on 12/30/11


David, both Rom. 3:28 and James 2:24 are not the same. If they were they would contradict each other. James does not contradict Paul teachings that Abraham was justified before God by grace alone through faith alone. For several reasons. James cannot mean that Abraham was constituted righteous before God because of his own good works, Jame had already stressed that salvation is a gracious gift (1:17,18) and quoted from (Gen. 15:6) which forcefully claims that God credited righteousness to Abraham solely on the basis of His faith. The work James said justified Abraham was his offering up of Isaa (Gen. 22:9,12) and event that occured many years after he first exercised faith and declared righteous before God (Gen 12:1-25).
---Mark_V. on 12/31/11


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David, what I see from your answers is that the teachings you have gotten from paganism has you bias no matter if the Truth hit you in the face. No matter what, paganism comes into your mind. You have been indoctrinated or brainwashed by the organisation you belong to. My sister was a fanatic also concerning paganism. Everything to her had something to do with paganism. Yet everyone I knew from the Jehovah Witnesses drank, smoke and partied. It was all talk. And when she needed blood for her operation, she refused by the council of the elders, and now she is dead and buried. At the funeral they were all laughing and proud she took their advice. My sister was not laughing anymore.
---Mark_V. on 12/31/11


Warwick agrees there is no point finding scriptures to support his mystery-trinity dogma- that's code for: 'I can't find any, so I'll cop-out'.

Being disfellowshipped for turning my back on the truth of the Bible to embrace the antichrist trinity doctrine? That's the least of my worries. Turning my back on the Bible to embrace the heinous trinity dogma- I'd be forced to embrace paganism, and sent to fight illegal trinitarian wars.

Worse still, embracing the apostate trinity- I could end up in a dark, cultist, back street, fundamentalist outfit such as the highly corrupt 'Christian and Missionary Alliance' (C & MA).

Why would I want to abandon faith in Jehovah God for false polytheist trinitarian gods? (Jo.6:68)
---David8318 on 12/29/11


Christan, the Bible says: 'A man is declared righteous by faith apart from works of law.' It also says: 'A man is to be declared righteous by works, and not by faith alone.' Which is right? Are we declared righteous by faith or by works?- Romans 3:28, James 2:24.

The answer from the Bible is that both are correct.

The Bible tells us to combat the works of the flesh, to resist the worlds immorality, etc... It says: 'Fight the fine fight of the faith,' and to 'run with endurance'- Gal.5:19-21, 1 Tim.5:12, Heb.12:1-3.

We do not earn salvation by doing these things. But without works our claim to follow Jesus would fall short. The Bible clearly states: 'Faith, if it does not have works, is dead in itself'- James 2:17.
---David8318 on 12/29/11


//aka, I'm not saying one way or the other (it is arguable)but give us the definition of the word "Michael"// 1st cliff

i will let you give your definition for the word "Micheal".
---aka on 12/29/11


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Worshipping God and not believing that Jesus is God is simply hypocrisy. What condemns the man is blaspheming the Holy Spirit by confessing He's not God. This, Jesus declared that there will be no forgiveness at all! And in this, we have the Trinity - Father, Son, Holy Spirit.

Only Christ could declare, "But I have greater witness than that of John: for the works which the Father hath given me to finish, the same works that I do, bear witness of me, that the Father hath sent me." John 5:36, which confirms that Jesus is the Son of God and God.

"Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am." John 8:58
---christan on 12/29/11


Scott: 1 Timothy 4:10 The living God is our Savior. 2 Peter 1:1 Jesus is our God and Saviour, our Righteousness. These complimentary Scriptures show Jesus is the living God, our righteousness. In agreement Jesus the coming Messiah is called "the Lord Our Righteousness" Jeremiah 23:6. Almighty God is our righteousness Jeremiah 9:4, Jesus is our righteousness 1 Corinthians 1:30-therefore one and the same.

In Jeremiah 33:16 inanimate Jerusalem is called by Jesus' name: the Lord Our Righteousness because the coming Messiah, the Lord Our Righteousness will invest His Righteousness there by His death and resurrection.
---Warwick on 12/29/11


JESUS CHRIST is the Son of God the Father and He is the Son of the Holy Spirit. In JOHN 3:6 YAHUSHUA (JESUS) says "That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the SPIRIT is Spirit."
---Gordon on 12/29/11


Scott, you seem to have a hard time believing Jesus Christ is God. Do you know you are in rebellion to God's words declared in Hebrews 1 and His Scriptures?

"God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, Hath in these last days spoken unto us by His Son, whom He hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also He made the worlds,

And again, when He bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, He saith, And let all the angels of God worship Him."


You claim to believe God and yet you deny God's proclamation that Jesus Christ is God. Such is also known as hypocrisy.
---christan on 12/29/11


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"Jesus is named YHWH (Jehovah) at Jeremiah 23:6 thus making him YHWH." Marc

What Marc accidentally forgot to mention, (he certainly wouldn't do so intentionally right?)

The same exact statement is applied to Jerusalem at Jer 33:16. Is Jerusalem also YHWH?

Jeremiah does not say that Jesus would be called Jehovah. The Hebrew says "yehowah tzedekaynu" meaning "Jehovah is righteousness" or "Jehovah is our righteousness". It's a complete sentence.

And the use of the name YHWH in a title does not transform the thing (or person) into YHWH. Consider YHWH Yireh (Genesis 22:14), the name of a place, YHWH NIssi (Exodus 17:15), the name of an altar, etc.
---scott on 12/29/11


\\trinity is a man made theology,follow Jesus's teaching,He taught," Worship GOD the FATHER in Truth and in Spirit...."
---kevin5443 on 12/29/11\\

You've misquoted the scripture, which actually PROVES the Trinity. Here's how it reads in the KJV:

"God is a spirit, and those who worship him must worship him in Spirit, and in Truth [and who is the Truth but Jesus?] for the Father seeketh such to worship Him."

If this is not a Trinitarian reference, I don't know what is!

Christ is born! Glorify Him!
---Cluny on 12/29/11


"you need to define your understanding of 'grace'" David8318

In context of Scripture which we are all discussing, "grace" has only ONE definition - and that's the workings of God. Which brings me back to the issue at hand, that SALVATION IS 100% THE WORK OF GOD ALMIGHTY. That is, man has no part in earning salvation unless God has loved him from eternity.

The sinner is merely the beneficiary rooted in God's love in the act of salvation. Is it so hard to understand and believe what the Scripture declares? Oh by the way, Jesus declared, "Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God." Only by His grace, is one "born again".
---christan on 12/29/11


not one verse describes Holy Spirit as a "god"
---Rhonda on 12/28/11

Sometimes the evidence is so clear, it is easy to miss.

Luke 1:35 "The angel answered and said to her, 'The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you, and for that reason the holy Child shall be called the Son of God"

Now unless I miss something in this verse, the Holy Spirit came over Mary and not God the Father. Yet, the resulting child is called the Son of God.

If the Holy Spirit is not God, then our whole understanding of who Jesus is is incorrect. He is not the Son of God the Father, but instead the Son of the Holy Spirit.

Is that what you want to believe?
---Mark_Eaton on 12/29/11


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trinity is a man made theology,follow Jesus's teaching,He taught," Worship GOD the FATHER in Truth and in Spirit...."
---kevin5443 on 12/29/11


Scott, Not so, only one Archangel is named "Michael" Jude 9. Define his name!
Paul's prophecy 1Thes.4.16.says the Lord Himself will come down from heaven with the voice of an "Archangel"
What do you make of that???
---1st_cliff on 12/29/11


Mark Eaton, Because YAHUSHUA (JESUS) had such intimate and perfect fellowship and relationship with the Father at all times prior, that when God the Father turned His Back on His Son on the Cross, the Son, then, felt that loss or absence of the Father's Presence. Of course, YAHUSHUA was, Himself, sinless. But, He was "made Sin" for our sakes. And, since GOD cannot look upon sin, the Father had to turn away, for the first time, from His Son. Long enough for YAHUSHUA to be "made Sin" for a few hours or however long it was, until He cried out and gave up His Spirit. That's when He finally commended His Spirit unto His Father at Death. Which meant that intimate Fellowship was restored shortly before He died on the Cross.
---Gordon on 12/29/11


Can you show me where the Bible says 'Jesus is God' or 'God is the holy spirit'?
---David8318 on 12/28/11

Sure.

Col 2:8-9 "See to it that no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty deception, according to the tradition of men, according to the elementary principles of the world, rather than according to Christ. For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form"

Luke 1:35 "The angel answered and said to her, 'The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you, and for that reason the holy Child shall be called the Son of God"
---Mark_Eaton on 12/28/11


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earl, john did speak of the three. Don't have my bible handy but it also says I and my Father are One.
The trinity is all thru the bible. rapture isn't in the bible but we are surely going to have one. I will do some reading later and come back with scripture.
---shira4368 on 12/28/11


Christan- you need to define your understanding of 'grace'. Each has their own view of what 'grace' means. There are over 14 different meanings in English.

You say you 'believe in salvation by grace 100%'. Ephesians 2:8,9 tells us that it's not through 'works' that we're saved. Salvation is an expression of undeserved kindness of God. No one can gain or earn salvation on their own, no matter how noble their works are.

However, James wrote- 'For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also'- Js.2:26 (KJV). The 'works' James spoke about are different to the 'works' at Eph.2:8,9. We can never work to earn salvation, but we can 'work' or 'excercise our faith'- Jo.3:16.
---David8318 on 12/28/11


According to both Christians and JWs, no creature can be named YHWH (Jehovah). Jesus is named YHWH (Jehovah) at Jeremiah 23:6 thus making him YHWH.

According to both Christians and JWs, no creature can be called 'The God of me', yet Thomas chose his words very carefully at John 20:28 such that it was no mere accident that his words TO Jesus, and TO Jesus alone, were ''The Lord of me AND the God of me'', meaning Jesus is THE GOD of all of us.
---Marc on 12/28/11


David, what is the point quoting Scriptures which demonstrate the Father, Son and Holy Spirit constitute the Godhead, the Trinity? You only regurgitate what your WTS masters command and will not believe any Scripture which disagrees with their nonsense. John 20:28 is a perfect example. Your dance around the obvious was amazing. You will not believe the truth because you are commanded, on pain of disfellowship, to be obedient to falible men who change their minds again and again.

An excellent example is your New World Translation which in 1961, in Hebrews 1:6 said you should 'worship' Jesus. However the 1971 version says you should merely do 'obeisance to Jesus! Who changed their mind? Was it God or man?
---Warwick on 12/28/11


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putting aside the OBVIOUS the word trinity is not found in Holy Scripture

putting aside OBVIOUS chaos and confusion by this demon-god/trinity from babylon as played out and GIVEN to modern-day christianity by rcc has SO MANY different meanings and ALL these chaotic definitions are not found in Holy Scripture

Truth is Holy Scripture describes Christ as a GOD and The Father in Heaven as a GOD

not one verse describes Holy Spirit as a "god"

worship trinity one serves rcc the author of this OTHER Christ 2Corin 11:4 and modern-day christianity puts up with it and by doing this they are anti-Christ
---Rhonda on 12/28/11


If the Trinity is helpful to people as they try to understand their relationship with God, then it should not only be permitted, but also encouraged. The Bible does not spell out every detail, it is not a book on systematic theology. Inference is essential for good understanding.
---John.usa on 12/29/11


Hi, David (c: You said, "Can you show me where the Bible says 'Jesus is God' or 'God is the holy spirit'?" I can't find such quotes, nor can I find quotes saying otherwise. But we have, "Now hope does not disappoint, because the love of God has been poured out in our hearts by the Holy Spirit who was given to us." (Romans 5:5) So, I can see the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of God's own love, and I accept that no being less than God Himself can be the Spirit of His own love. And if the Holy Spirit is God, then God is giving us His own self, and not some second-best blessing of lesser love. This shows how much God desires to share with us . . . "in our hearts", we have . . . this is very personal and sharing.
---Bill_willa6989 on 12/29/11


PCJ, proof is written about the Trinity all through Scripture. A careful study on the Persons of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit will confirm that, but only to those who are looking for the Truth. The heretics look for loopholes to proof it is not so, because they are already bias. The section attack by many is the incarnation of Christ. They cannot imagine God coming in the flesh. A careful study will show, all the Persons of the Trinity have the same nature, character and attributes. All are Omniscient, Omnipotent. Yet each Person has a part in the plan of God. Only those who are genuine Christians born of the Spirit can understand spiritual matters. The Trinity is one of the essentials of the Christian faith.
---Mark_V. on 12/29/11


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How many "archangels" are mentioned in the bible?

---1st_cliff on 12/26/11

Three. These are the only three angels given a specific name. Michael, Gabrial and Satan.
---Scott1 on 12/29/11


David you always ask:Can you show me where the Bible says 'Jesus is God' or 'God is the holy spirit'?

How about can you show me in the bible where it says Jesus is michael the archangel in human form?
---JIM on 12/29/11


Hello MarkEaton- I was hoping you could define 'trinity' for me... at least your version of it. The mainstream belief is the Neo-Platonic favorite: 'three in one', which is not in the Bible, but in the philosophical teachings of Plato's metaphysics- nature and substance. "Jesus is from God, therefore is God" is the trinitarian mantra.

You say, 'when we say the word "God" we could be talking about either The Heavenly Father, Jesus the Son, or the Holy Spirit.'

So when Jesus said, 'God is a spirit' (Jo.4:24), he was talking about himself? So Jesus here was not flesh but 'a spirit'? (1 Jo.4:2,3)

Can you show me where the Bible says 'Jesus is God' or 'God is the holy spirit'?
---David8318 on 12/28/11


As I have come to discourse with others who do not believe Christ to be of the same essence as God the Father, I have discovered something that puzzles me and perhaps they can answer this puzzle.

It is with Jesus on the cross. We all know Jesus on the cross said to God the Father, "My God, My God, why have you forsaken Me".

What puzzles me is how did Jesus know at that moment that God the Father had forsaken Him? Jesus knew His whole life that He would have to die and His weakest moment seemed to be in the garden the night before. But now, when all is about to be accomplished, He "sensed" that God had abandoned Him.

How did that happen? I as a mortal cannot know when God abandons me. But Jesus KNEW.
---Mark_Eaton on 12/28/11


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I'd like to offer an e-card meditation, "Yes, God is about family".
This includes thoughts about how the Trinity Persons of God are family love Persons (they are not only a doctrinal idea to argue about intellectually (c: ) > you can find this by going into the Christianet "Mall", then into "Pick Up Ecard" and use this password > DEC28822663 God bless you, too (c: bill
---Bill_willa6989 on 12/28/11


The three Persons of the Holy Trinity were all active at the same time in Creation as in GENESIS 1:26 "And GOD said, Let US make man in OUR Image". Now, that does not say there were "Three" Persons. But, it does give us a Clue that there were more than One Person actively creating together in Heaven! THEN, All Three were present at YAHUSHUA's Baptism! See MARK 1:9-11. YAHUSHUA in the River, the Holy Spirit descended like a Dove and the Voice of God the Father from Heaven! AND, in I JOHN 5:7 "...there are Three...in Heaven, the Father, the Word (YAHUSHUA: see JOHN 1:1-14!), and the Holy Ghost: and these Three are ONE."
---Gordon on 12/28/11


JIm, You have defined first and last as "eternal". Is this your interpretation?
Like first what?
last What?
Scripture says "Alpha and Omega" but in reference to "being?" it doesn't say!
It is left to conjecture!
It could be God is the 1st and last Almighty , and Jesus is the 1st and last "only begotten" for example!
---1st_cliff on 12/27/11


The proof there is a trinity is by nature of how the three are expressed as one, when John states there are three that bear witness and the three are one is as simple as it gets but completely blank as to how they are associated.
The term 'trinity' is an expression of how God is either by actuality and or spiritually.
---Earl on 12/27/11


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"'For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.'" (John 3:16)

"God" here can mean our "one God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all." (Ephesians 4:6) And He is "the head of Christ" (1 Corinthians 11:3). So, "God" often means the Father who in position is higher than Jesus, though Jesus is His Son divine like He is (John 16:15).

And God gave His Son . . . like you can give someone your helping hand. Your hand is you, though not all of you.

It's also like how an unborn baby is the baby's mother, because he or she is made of the mother's blood liquid (c:
---Bill_willa6989 on 12/27/11


The Christian definition of the Holy Trinity is One God in three Persons (Father, Son, and Holy Spirit) but of one Essence.

"Person" and "essence" have technical theological meanings here, and not their common ones.

"Entity" is a wrong word to use. So is "manifestation".

The Christian Trinity is different from both the triads of pagan deities and the caricatures presented by JWs, Oneness, and other heretics.

Christ is born! Glorify Him!
---Cluny on 12/27/11


There is no 'trinity' here. Only 'God' and His 'Son'.
---David8318 on 12/26/11

Hello David and All.

Can someone give me a definition of the word "trinity" that we can all agree upon?

I for one do not know what is being discussed. I know what my understanding of the word "trinity" is, but can someone please tell me what you are objecting to or supporting?

My understanding of "trinity" is that when we say the word "God" we could be talking about either The Heavenly Father, Jesus the Son, or the Holy Spirit. They are all "God" but they also are distinct entities.

Is this the definition of "trinity" we are working with?
---Mark_Eaton on 12/27/11


1st cliff you said:Deut.6.4 Says God is "one" not 3.
Isaiah 44:6 God says He is the first and the last(which means He is eternal).
Jesus says in Rev.22 that He is the first and the last(which means eternal). Now only God is eternal, but yet Deut.6 says God is one.
What is your take on this 1st cliff?
---JIM on 12/27/11


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David8318, you quote John 3:16 in vain to justify your believe in "free-will" - which according to Scriptures does not exist. And according to your understanding of John 3:16, let me ask you this question: are there souls in Hades this very moment?

There are multitudes of souls in Hades! What then becomes of the promise of God in John 3:16? I believe in salvation by grace 100%. That is, God does not save you because you believe in Him. One can only believe in God is because God has saved the sinner. See the difference between works and grace?

You are clearly of works and I am of grace.
---christan on 12/27/11


Hiding behind the veil of Christianity and denying the existence of God who consist of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, aka the Holy Trinity is deserving of God's wrath. After all, Jesus tells us that those who are going to the Lake of Fire are those who do not believe in Him, who's begotten of the Father.

Jesus declared, "But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven." However, blaspheming the Spirit is an unforgivable sin as declared, "And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come."
---christan on 12/26/11


PJC- christan quotes John 3:3 and asks, 'Still can't see?'

Maybe christan needs to look at John 3:16. 'For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life' (NIV).

There is no 'trinity' here. Only 'God' and His 'Son'. Or maybe christan looks at this verse and sees 'For God so loved the world that he gave... Himself.'

The trinity is not mentioned in John or anywhere else in the Bible. The trinity is found in pagan ancient Egypt. Trinitarians use Neo-Platonic philosophy to explain the pagan trinity in terms of 'three in one' to avoid sounding polytheist. But trinitarians are not very good at concealing their polytheism.
---David8318 on 12/26/11


aka, I'm not saying one way or the other (it is arguable)but give us the definition of the word "Michael"
How many "archangels" are mentioned in the bible?
---1st_cliff on 12/26/11


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"Hearken to me, O Jacob and Israel, my called: I he, I the first and I the last. Come you all near to me, hear you all this: I have not spoken in secret from the beginning, from the time that it was, there I: and now the Lord Yhwh, and his Spirit, has sent me. Go you all therefore, and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. Because three being who bear witness in the heaven: the Father, the Word, and his Holy Ghost, and these the three in being: also three being who bear witness upon the earth: his Spirit, and his water, and his blood, and the triune his in being." Isaiah 48:12,16+ Mt.28:19+ I Jn.5:7,8.
---Eloy on 12/26/11


EVERYWHERE! From Genesis to Revelation! However, "Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."

Still can't see?
---christan on 12/23/11


PJC, Fact is , it doesn't,
Trinities, come from Egyptian,and Hindu religions.
Deut.6.4 Says God is "one" not 3!
Those worshipping trinities are guilty of polytheism! (3 gods)
Answer is quite simple
We have a supreme God who has a Son, both use Holy Spirit power!
---1st_cliff on 12/23/11


From cover to cover, there is NO scripture to prove trinity. The light for trinity Is Man - made teachings that came from here, 2nd.Cor. 11 v's 14 - 15.
---Lawrence_Nemeth on 12/23/11


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Right after the verse where it proves that everything Christians should believe is found in the Bible.
---Cluny on 12/23/11


People can argue the same Bible word to have opposite meanings, about the Trinity and eternal security and other things. But there are images that can help >

(1) God made "man in His own image" (see Genesis 1:27), and man is three basic persons . . . father, child, helpmate . . . like the Father, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit. There is more than one person in God's one human creation. He is Family love, with more than one Family Person.

(2) "Jesus is the Son of God" (in 1 John 4:15). The son of a human is human, Jesus is God's Son.

(3) Jesus "is the image of God" (in 2 Corinthians 4:4). An image of gold is gold, but not all the gold everywhere. Jesus is God in human form.
---Bill_willa6989 on 12/24/11


it is proven that the production of the "clean" fuel electricity is far more dirty, damaging, and potentially hazardous than oil production, but the number of those who accept that are waning. why?

propaganda for profit.

triunity is not there to be proven. scripture for the father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit are found from Genesis to Revelation of Jesus Christ.

can anybody show me inarguable scripture that proves Michael the Christ?

propaganda from false prophets.
---aka on 12/24/11


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