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Who Do Monks Serve

I don't understand how monks living in a monastery are anything but self-centered. To hide away not interacting with people who need to know Jesus is exactly the opposite of Jesus instructing to spread the good news of salvation. Do monks care about anyone but themselves?

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christan:

First, Revelation 22:18-19 is a warning about altering the words of this prophecy, i.e. Revelation. This is not to say that one is free to alter God's word. However the specific scripture you cited does not itself refer to other books.

Second, having extra-biblical traditions is not the same as adding to the Word of God. Nobody anywhere teaches that you must be a monk. There are many things Christians do that are not mentioned in scipture - choirs, pews, altar calls, bus ministries, televangelists, Christian blogs, etc. If you really want to exclude anything not explicitly in the Bible, you should immediately get off this site, since blogs aren't mentioned either.
---StrongAxe on 1/6/12


\\Cluny, it's really amazing that you proclaim to be a "Christian" and yet you find it so hard to give glory and praise to the Lord 100%.\\

It's really amazing that you are finding to so hard to acknowledge the great part monks played in copying and transmitting the Scriptures.

Is it because you would have to back off and say something nice about them?

Of COURSE monks are sinners. Why do you think they adopted the life? It's because they KNOW they were weak and sinful. Monastic life is simply repentance writ large. Didn't you know that? ALL Christians monastic texts deal with this truth first thing.

Or do you want to feel superior to them?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 1/6/12


Cluny, it's really amazing that you proclaim to be a "Christian" and yet you find it so hard to give glory and praise to the Lord 100%. Rather, your continued exaltation of "monks", who to begin with are also sinners just like everyone else, including Paul, the disciples and mankind - give credence to the declaration by the Lord Jesus Christ,

"He answered and said unto them, Well hath Esaias prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honoureth me with their lips, but their heart is far from me." Mark 7:6
---christan on 1/6/12


\\It is simply God's will that we have the Holy Bible the way it is today and nothing to do with the monks as you so highly exalt.\\

And just who do you think did most of the Bible copying? HMMMMMM????
---Cluny on 1/6/12


"Are you saying that St. Paul lived for centuries and copied the Bible over and over... If monks did not copy the Bible throughout the centuries, who did?" Cluny

Firstly, Paul never "copied the Bible over and over". He wrote the epistles! As he was a Pharisee, he had with him the Tora and all the other books of the OT, hence he could quote from and teach the Christians what they meant through the revelation that Christ gave him. After all, he was a chosen vessel to teach the Gentiles.

It is simply God's will that we have the Holy Bible the way it is today and nothing to do with the monks as you so highly exalt. If you want to exalt anyone, exalt our Lord Jesus Christ for His grace.
---christan on 1/6/12




StrongAxe, the one most important warning is found in the last book of the Bible in the last chapter of Revelation 22:18,19. Please read it and pray to God you're convicted by it.

So, if the orders of "monks" are never mentioned, why would one continue to persist and insist that it's Christianity? Like I said earlier, Christ never hid Himself in caves or even wore a "uniform" or even taught us to "chant".

Another such tradition that goes against the warnings of Revelation 22:18,19 is Christmas. Giving a particular day when Scripture does not even mentioned the day Christ was born is wrong. And worse still, insisting that it's a Christian day of celebration. Does Bible tell us to do such a thing? NO!
---christan on 1/6/12


Eastern Orthodoxy, monasticism holds a special and important place: "Angels are a light for monks, monks are a light for laymen" The Orthodox Church measures its health by the quality of its monks and nuns. Orthodox monastics separate themselves from the world in order to pray for the world. They do not, in general, have as their primary purpose the running of social services, as is common in Western Christianity, but instead are concerned with attaining theosis, or union with God. However, care for the poor and needy has always been an obligation of monasticism, though the level of contact will vary from community to community. Orthodox hermits, have little or no contact with the outside world.
---michael_e on 1/6/12


\\ If what Monks do is not related to Christ's commandment and practice, then they cannot claim they are doing Christian things. Anything Christian has to be Christ-like.\\

Orthodox monks fast strictly and pray many hours as day.

How are these not Christian activities?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 1/6/12


christian:

You said: StrongAxe & Peter, it's very clear you have not read the Holy Bible in detail

If there are any parts that I have been missing, I would honestly like to know about it.

Please show me just which parts I have been missing or getting wrong (specific chapters and verses, please).
---StrongAxe on 1/6/12


\\As for you, you give "credit" to the monks which Paul never even breathed a single praise unto your "monks", let alone himself.\\

Are you saying that St. Paul lived for centuries and copied the Bible over and over in different languages until the invention of the printing press?

If monks did not copy the Bible throughout the centuries, who did?
---Cluny on 1/6/12




I would like to stand on the Lord's side in this discussion. If what Monks do is not related to Christ's commandment and practice, then they cannot claim they are doing Christian things. Anything Christian has to be Christ-like.
---Adetunji on 1/6/12


Cluny, let's get one thing straight with regards to the Holy Bible. Paul simply declared,

"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works." 2 Timothy 2:16,17

Paul, who wrote the epistles never even gave "credit" to himself but to the Holy Spirit. As for you, you give "credit" to the monks which Paul never even breathed a single praise unto your "monks", let alone himself.

I don't condemn you or your monks, you by your own words and their practices goes against the Word of God. You condemned yourself.
---christan on 1/5/12


\\Cluny, my point was that those passages are not speaking about monks.\\

It's talking about people who give up these things for Christ's sake.

MOST of them are monks, because only Christian monasticism provides the spiritual environment for such self-denial to work.

**StrongAxe & Peter, it's very clear you have not read the Holy Bible in detail. **

christan, you don't actually think that YOU have read the Bible in detail, or never quote it out of conext, do you?

Who do you think copied the Bible for centuries before the printing press so you could misuse it?

They were the very monks you condemn!
---Cluny on 1/5/12


Cluny, my point was that those passages are not speaking about monks. That you use it to make your point is just false. Concerning what they do, I have enough information on what they do and why they do what they do, and it is not to bring glory to God. That is very obvious. It is a religious motivation. Self-discipline and abstinence in some form and degree within many religious and spiritual traditions. Mahatman Gandhi can be considered ascetic. They do leave their families but not to spread the gospel truth. Sanhus are also known for the extreme forms of self-denial.
---Mark_V. on 1/5/12


StrongAxe & Peter, it's very clear you have not read the Holy Bible in detail. I have been asking Cluny to show me verses of such an order that was commanded by Christ during His time on earth and he has come up with nothing except verses that are used out of context. Eg, about the rich man - the heart of Matthew 19(there's no Mark 19) is all about salvation.

"When his disciples heard it, they were exceedingly amazed, saying, Who then can be saved? But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible, but with God all things are possible." Matthew 19:25,26

It's nothing to do with "monks". Jesus never went and hid Himself in caves, so why would it be different for His disciples?
---christan on 1/5/12


\\Cluny, Mark 19:27-29 and Luke 18:27-29 are not speaking about believers going into hiding as monks do.\\

You know nothing about Christian monks or monasticism, so don't talk like do.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 1/5/12


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cluny,The OP is interaction with people and willful self isolation,not discipleship or apostleship .Monks and similar types maintain a high degree of isolation where they hope to gain a higher level of spirituality by the use of isolation as a key.Both apostles and disciples learned frm Jesus then when fourth to the people to enlist them into the kingdom .Isolationists fail to do this for many maintain isolation for their complete life.
---earl on 1/5/12


Cluny, Mark 19:27-29 and Luke 18:27-29 are not speaking about believers going into hiding as monks do. The parable had just talked about why it was hard for a rich man to enter heaven. The parables are talking about a person sacrificing himself for Christ sake and the Gospel. They leave behind everything to work for the Lord in bringing the gospel to others. Many missionaries have done that. They might have had great jobs making a lot of money, but instead of riches, they went out to spread the gospel Truth. In many case they gave their lifes to do the work of Christ. Monks do self-righteous works to earn favor with God.
---Mark_V. on 1/5/12


Earl, thank you so much. I believe as you do, and some others who have commented. This world is in dire need of more Good Samaritans helping the downtrodden.
---Geraldine on 1/4/12


\\How displeased is the Creator who sees such a poor use of responsibility to his neighbor.\\

That's not what the Bible says.

Jesus promised GREAT blessings in the next life for those who gave up wife, family, and possessions for His sake.

Are not Mark 10:27-29 and Luke 18:27-29 in your Bible?

Did He ever revoked this promise?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 1/4/12


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Those who go to the highest mountain,isolate themselves,pray 24/7, eat meagerly and shun all personal possessions ,etc.etc. and make vows to not become sexually active or marry is is in hope God will find favor in their actions .This is actually acts of self righteousness.It is as if to say look here God and see how I have overcome terrible things in life.In actuallity this person has hid the one talent given and never faced the real hard life down in the valley below.How displeased is the Creator who sees such a poor use of responsibility to his neighbor.A wasted talent.Man cannot hide in the craig of a rock expecting God to resolve or remove afflictions of daily mortal living.Jesus lived among men and women not isolate himself from them.
---earl on 1/4/12


\\Do you claim to KNOW what Orthodox Monks actually believe?\\

If christan thinks that ORthodox believe in purgatory, he clearly knows NOTHING about Orthodoxy.
---Cluny on 1/3/12


Peter, Christan is correct. I know what the orthodox traditions are concerning monks. And the subject of monks is not found in the word of God. Christian believes are based on the Word of God. The essentials of the Christian faith have no room for monks for the simple reason they are not found in the Word of God. The Father, the Son nor the Holy Spirit ever mentioned to us to have monks. If someone wants to incorporate them into Christianity, then they are following the rules of man and not God. And that is what has happened to Christianity through the centuries, traditions of man have not only taken over, but have change the Truth to a lie. The Truth is hardly seen anymore. There is reasons for all this, but space does not allow to right them.
---Mark_V. on 1/4/12


Christian: '"Orthodox monks" is most definitely nothing to do with Christianity'

Do you claim to KNOW what Orthodox Monks actually believe? Your comments through the blog, while generally quite acceptable, seem to me (an Anglican coming from an Orthodox country) not to properly understand the beliefs of the Orthodox Monastic community.
---Peter on 1/3/12


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christan:

I always thought that "a Christian" was someone who believed Jesus was the son of God, and followed his teachings. By that definition, how do Orthodox (or for that matter, Catholics, Protestants, or any other Christian group) not qualify? Or do you have a more restrictive definition that includes fewer people?
---StrongAxe on 1/3/12


\\But most definitely there's no purgatory in between.
---christan on 1/2/12\\

Orthodox reject purgatory.

Or have you not yet grasped that Orthodoxy and Roman Catholicism are not the same church?
---Cluny on 1/3/12


\\I assure you that "Orthodox monks" is most definitely nothing to do with Christianity whatsoever. In the Bible,\\

As I have said in my initial post, what's the point in discussing Orthodox monasticism with people who don't even know what Christianity is?
---Cluny on 1/3/12


Grace or Law?
In general, Orthodox monastics have little or no contact with the outside world, including their own families. The purpose of the monastic life is union with God, the means is through leaving the world (i.e., the life of the passions). After tonsure, Orthodox monks and nuns are never permitted to cut their hair. The hair of the head and the beard remain uncut as a symbol of the vows they have taken, reminiscent of the Nazarites from the Old Testament. The Tonsure of monks is the token of a consecrated life, and symbolizes the cutting off of their self-will.
---mlchael_e on 1/3/12


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"You don't actually think that what YOU claim makes you a Christian is taught in the Bible, do you? Are you THAT confused?" Cluny

Well, most definitely not as confused as your theology that "Orthodox monks are christians". I assure you that "Orthodox monks" is most definitely nothing to do with Christianity whatsoever. In the Bible, there were prophets of God but never came across "monks" of God.

I do know that the Buddhist monastery do have monks and nuns (sounds familiar?). Maybe you're confused with your actual faith between Buddhism and Christianity, which happens to be heaven and hell apart. But most definitely there's no purgatory in between.
---christan on 1/2/12


\\As I claim to be a Christian I am merely telling you that what you belief as "Orthodox monks" are Christians, is most definitely not found nor taught in the Holy Bible. \\

You don't actually think that what YOU claim makes you a Christian is taught in the Bible, do you?

Are you THAT confused?
---Cluny on 1/2/12


"What is YOUR justification that Orthodox monks are NOT Christians, and who gave you the authority to decide they were not?" Cluny

I am not the authority and neither do I decide whether your "Orthodox monks are NOT Christians". The authority you come against is His Word, plain and simple.

As I claim to be a Christian I am merely telling you that what you belief as "Orthodox monks" are Christians, is most definitely not found nor taught in the Holy Bible.

Unless you provide Scriptural backing to the existence of such an "order", my duty as a Christian is to tell you that such pagan practices mixing with the teachings of Jesus Christ is an abomination to the Lord.
---christan on 1/2/12


**//You will find more mention of asceticism in the Bible than you will revivals, invitation hymns, and altar calls//

You don't actually think any of the above mentioned have anything to do with salvation do you?**

You'd be surprised the number of Christians who think they do.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 1/2/12


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//You will find more mention of asceticism in the Bible than you will revivals, invitation hymns, and altar calls//

You don't actually think any of the above mentioned have anything to do with salvation do you?
---mlchael_e on 1/2/12


\\Are we to wear "sheepskins and goatskins and live in "caves and clefts of the earth" to be a Christian? Is this your justification that monks are Christians?\\

You miss the point that they were led to do so PRECISELY by faith.

What is YOUR justification that Orthodox monks are NOT Christians, and who gave you the authority to decide they were not?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 1/2/12


\\Hard to find in the Bible\\

You will find more mention of asceticism in the Bible than you will revivals, invitation hymns, and altar calls.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 1/2/12


I got an idea. Why don't you try praying your bible 7 times a day for 45 minutes each time during the whole day. Midnight - 45 minutes read your bible: 6 am - 45 minutes read your bible, 9 am - 45 minutes read your bible, 12 noon - 45 minutes read your bible, 3 pm 45 minutes read your bible, 6 pm - 45 minutes read your bible, 9 pm - 45 minutes read your bible. Monks pray the Divine Office 7 times a day plus do their duties of helping around the monastery. Oh yah, they also go to Daily Mass. Try doing this every day (7 times a day 45 minutes each + your other activities.)
---Hoss on 1/2/12


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Cluny, being justified by FAITH and walking in FAITH has nothing to do with "went about in sheepskins and goatskins, living in caves and clefts of the earth, of whom the world was not worthy?"

Are we to wear "sheepskins and goatskins and live in "caves and clefts of the earth" to be a Christian? Is this your justification that monks are Christians?

Anyways, Hebrews 11 does not exalt anyone who wear "sheepskins and goatskins" or those who live "in caves and clefts of the earth!

It's about the gift of FAITH that OT saints were blessed with, similar to all of God's saints aka the elect.
---christan on 1/2/12


Mark_V.:

I agree obsessive and masochistic are not good. However, even if some monks (and Christians of other flavors) may have these failings, by no means do all of them do.


Geraldine:

One thing I have noticed over the years is that whenever I read a newspaper or magazine story about a subject with which I am closely acquainted, it varies from slightly inaccurate to grossly inaccurate. Documentaries, especially religious ones, are similar but worse, since they have limited time and rely on "sound bites". If stories I KNOW ABOUT are so inaccurate, what about the ones I know nothing about? They may be good to give a taste of the subject, but not a particularly detailed nor accurate one.
---StrongAxe on 1/1/12


Hard to find in the Bible

One becomes a monk or nun by being tonsured, a rite which only a priest can perform. This is typically done by the abbot. The priest tonsuring a monk or nun must himself be tonsured into the same or greater degree of monasticism that he is tonsuring into. In other words, only a hieromonk who has been tonsured into the Great Schema may himself tonsure a Schemamonk. A bishop, however, may tonsure into any rank, regardless of his own, also, on rare occasion, a bishop will allow a priest to tonsure a monk or nun into any rank.
---mlchael_e on 1/1/12


BTW, asceticism is not an end in itself, but a means to an end, as St. Seraphim of Sarov discusses in his instruction on the aim of the Christian life.

Christ is born! Glorify Him!
---Cluny on 12/31/11


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Check some "websites" or the books on monastery living, you will see they are still under bondage.
---michael_e on 12/31/11


christan, did you catch the verse about how the heroes for faith in Hebrews 11 by faith "went about in sheepskins and goatskins, living in caves and clefts of the earth, of whom the world was not worthy?"

Or is that verse just not in your Bible?

Christ is born! Glorify Him!
---Cluny on 12/30/11


Did you know that the NT recommends asceticism as part of the Christian lifestyle?

Jesus fasted, and even said, "WHEN you fast...."

He also said, "if anyone will come after Me, let him DENY HIMSELF...."

The Jerusalem Church was FASTING when they received the command to send forth Paul and Barnabas a missionaries.

St. Paul himself said, "I buffet my body...." What do you think he was talking about? Shadow boxing?

And Christian monasticism has NOTHING to do with Hinduism or Buddhism, as Christian ascetics had NO contact with them, except later as missionaries.

Christ is born! Glorify Him!
---Cluny on 12/30/11


My goodness! Hebrews 11 exalted the gift of God that was and is called FAITH! In the teachings of Hebrews 11 were God's chosen people from Abel to Abraham to Rahab who were blessed with FAITH that they may believe in God.

How one uses Hebrews 11 to justify monasteries and monks is nothing but perverted imagination rooted in deception.

And one even have the audacity to proclaim, "As I said, how can you explain Christian history to people who have no idea what Christianity really is?" Maybe what you meant to say is "pagan history in paganism".
---christan on 12/29/11


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\\This is another wonderful truth that the Vatican has been exposed as a false church of Christ. \\

christan, where did you get the idea that the Orthodox monasteries on Athos have ANYTHING to do with the Vatican?

Or have you not yet grasped the fact that Orthodoxy and Roman Catholicism are TWO SEPARATE CHURCHES?

Of course, if you don't realize that they are two separate churches, you can hardly be expected to understand the differences in doctrine between the two.

Christ is born! Glorify Him!
---Cluny on 12/29/11


Geraldine, Monks are NonChristians, but idolaters. So it is expected that they will not follow Christ, but instead they will follow only whatever foolishness and rules the sinners set for themselves.
---Eloy on 12/30/11


Geraldine, I also agree with Christan that monks were never mention by Jesus or that they have a place in scripture. In fact their works are called "Asceticism." the practice considered obsessive or even masochistic in nature. Buddhism, and Jainism were ideas that were brought into the Catholic and Eastern Orthodox. By their practices they are trying to reach a higher spiritual goal for themselves. Believers of the New Covenant are impowered by the Holy Spirit and are at the highest they will be in the body of Christ. People don't have to whip themselves, getting on their knees for miles, to be spiritual, they need Christ in their hearts to be spiritual.
---Mark_V. on 12/30/11


Someone here complained of monks being "secretive."

If you don't want strangers traipsing through YOUR house armed with cameras, recorders, lights, and hundreds of questions, are you being "secretive"?

Or do you just want your privacy and personal space respected?

BTW, the term "sovereign monastery" simply means it's not a dependency of another monastery. As well as the 20 sovereign monasteries on Mt. Athos, there are dozens, if not hundreds, of sketes, kellia, and smaller communities that are overseen by one or the other of the sovereign monasteries.

Christ is born! Glorify Him!
---Cluny on 12/29/11


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BETTER QUESTION IS: "WHAT DO MONKS DO IN THE MONASTERY?"

We may find that there tasks are very similar to the Levities in the OT. Not all levites served as priest and interacted with the people.
---Francis on 12/29/11


\\and the challenge is simply that such a practice is not found in the Scriptures.\\

and just where in the scriptures did Jesus stand behind a pulpit?
---aka on 12/29/11


\\and the challenge is simply that such a practice is not found in the Scriptures.\\

Try Hebrews 11, where Jewish ascetics lived as the early Christian monks lived, and some still do.

As I said, how can you explain Christian history to people who have no idea what Christianity really is?

Christ is born! Glorify Him!
---Cluny on 12/29/11


I think we would have have to know about the monastery and what actually goe son there to make educated statements.

me, myself, I know nothing of what goes on in there
---francis on 12/29/11


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Cluny, I do not judge you or what you say. It's the conviction of the Word from the Holy Scriptures that will judge both you and I, and also the world to come.

Just as you can speak your conviction of what you believe, I too am entitled to also speak as I please. And if it pleases you to say I speak falsehood, so be it.

However, be reminded that this particular blog speaks about monks and monasteries. As there are supporters of such practice, there are also those who challenge it - and the challenge is simply that such a practice is not found in the Scriptures. Unless you show prove of such instructions in the Scripture, I will be on the other side of the "fence".

That's what blogs are all about, isn't t?
---christan on 12/29/11


\\ What's the difference between these monks and that of the Buddhist monks, except that one claims to be a "disciple of Christ" - a false one at that even.\\

And how do we know that your claim to be a disciple of Christ is not a false one, other than your say so?

Christ is born! Glorify Him!
---Cluny on 12/28/11


//As you truthfully say, they are in contrary of Jesus's instructions to His disciples before He ascended to His Father's kingdom.//

pound, pound, pound...

who was christ taling to? you are the one who rightfully says there is a difference. now, for convenience sake, you say there is not.

do you reject the notion of one body? the blood says, "how selfish is the toenail not moving around like us and providing the body nutrients..." not realizing that the toe nail protect the toes that carry the blood around.

jesus never taught everybody to be the mouthpiece, but 99% of "christans" do. what a gross looking body!
---aka on 12/28/11


"What as it that someone said here about putting down other believers?"

Putting down other believers? Believers of what? How am I putting you down when you claim to believe in monk-hood when there's no mentioned of such a "ministry" taught by Christ or His disciples? I don't need to put you down, you have already brought shame to the name of Christ when you imply that monk-hood is a "Christian" practice.

I am merely standing-up for what I believe is my faith in Jesus Christ and what is and what is not taught in the Scriptures.

Please remember that this website is called Christianet and not "AnyReligionNet", which I would not have participated in.
---christan on 12/28/11


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I've gone on retreat at monasteries from time to time, and found those occasions to be very refreshing and helpful. :)
---John.usa on 12/29/11


There are plenty of web sites and books on duties and life of monks, if you want to learn about them.
---michael_e on 12/28/11


\\ What's the difference between these monks and that of the Buddhist monks, except that one claims to be a "disciple of Christ" - a false one at that even.\\

What as it that someone said here about putting down other believers?

christan, you are probably saying more about yourself than about monks here.

To drag strangers into the conversation, seems that Jesus said several complimentary things about those who gave up marriage and the good things of the world for His sake.

Christ is born! Glorify Him!
---Cluny on 12/28/11


Monks? Sovereign Monasteries? Really? Did Jesus at anytime while ministering to His disciples and the people make mentioned of such a thing in monk-hood? What's the difference between these monks and that of the Buddhist monks, except that one claims to be a "disciple of Christ" - a false one at that even.

Having knowledge of what monks and monasteries does not justify that such an abomination is right before the eyes of God. Rather it exposes and remind us of what is Truth and lie.
---christan on 12/28/11


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\\Cluny - My blog was prompted by a TV documentary I saw on Christmas night about the most famous monastery in the world....\\

All you're doing, Geraldine, is exposing your ignorance on the subject.

First off, there are 20 sovereign monasteries, as they are called on Mt. Athos, and dozens, if not hundreds, of smaller houses.

There's nothing secret about Orthodox monasteries. There are many for both sexes in the USA and elsewhere.

If you REALLY want to know and understand about Orthodox monasteries, instead of just criticizing them, I can give you the titles of some books.

Christ is born! Glorify Him!
---Cluny on 12/27/11


Jesus said in Matthew 23:4-10,

"For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders, but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.

But all their works they do for to be seen of men: they make broad their phylacteries, and enlarge the borders of their garments, And love the uppermost rooms at feasts, and the chief seats in the synagogues,

And greetings in the markets, and to be called of men, Rabbi, Rabbi. But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ, and all ye are brethren.

And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven. Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ."
---christan on 12/27/11


When the woman poured the costly oil on Jesus' feet, it was Judas who said, "Why this waste?" Monks and nuns (not active sisters like Mother Theresa) have given themselves totally to Christ, and they care least about themselves and most about what Jesus has called them to do. Besides, maybe it is by their prayers that the Antichrist has been kept at bay.
---FatherBrendan on 12/27/11


It's what you make it,

how you take it . . .

just don't you fake it!

(c:

Each person is different. I have been informed that there are monks who stay in a place together so they have sharing of love while having privacy for devotion of prayer. And then they go out to reach and to serve.

If you believe in not having secrecy, go right ahead and tell us your name and address and all your beeswax . . . but I do not advise this.

But religious leaders need to be examples (1 Peter 5:3), though, whom we can personally get to know so we can feed on their good example. But example includes wisdom about privacy (c:
---Bill_willa6989 on 12/27/11


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How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace.
Without puting their own spin on it?

For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?
So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. (This is Christ, right)

Have they not heard? Yes verily, their sound went into all the earth, and their words unto the ends of the world.

Esaias is very bold, and saith, I was found of them that sought me not, I was made manifest unto them that asked not after me.


What things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law:
that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.
Peace
---TheSeg on 12/28/11


Your problem is that because Monks do their work usually behind closed doors, or Monasteries, you don't see what they do. Can you get up 7 times during the day and night to say the Divine Office? Do you have any idea of the discipline involved in being a monk? The training, schooling, pointing sexual desires in the direction of God for the good of mankind, etc. You really have no idea what monks do. If you think its an easy life, join a convent or go to a Benedictine Monastery and live for a while. Many allow families and others to practice what they do. You really have no idea what you are talking about.
---Hoss on 12/28/11


Karen, are you glorifying Jesus when you put down Cluny? Are there any put-downs that glorify Jesus?
---John.usa on 12/27/11


Cluny - My blog was prompted by a TV documentary I saw on Christmas night about the most famous monastery in the world. My impression is that there is a huge amount of secrecy regarding the activities and the people there. To me, heavy secrecy is as negative as heavy strutting. Real love cannot involve either.
---Geraldine on 12/27/11


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Cluny, regarding monks or nuns I have known personally, there are none. But I am a great admirer of Mother Teresa. Read her quotations online, and you will see she was all about nurturing, not hiding. And I am teaching my OWN self a lesson here. I need to be more neighborly!
---Geraldine on 12/27/11


\\Cluny...Are you glorifying Jesus when you put down people who happen to disagree with your Orthodox traditions?
---KarenD on 12/27/11
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Does Geraldine glorify Jesus by condemning people she does not even know?

Christ is born! Glorify Him!
---Cluny on 12/27/11


Geraldine, how many monks or nuns (in the strict sense of the word) do you actually know?

Are you basing your understanding that they are self-centered on your vast knowledge of the monastic life and your many visits to monasteries?

Christ is born! Glorify Him!
---Cluny on 12/27/11


Cluny...Are you glorifying Jesus when you put down people who happen to disagree with your Orthodox traditions?
---KarenD on 12/27/11


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Cluny is right. One should read up on something before he lets accusations fly. And regarding self-centeredness, I doubt that there is any monk more self-centered than any of us here on these blogs.
---John.usa on 12/27/11


Obvoiusly, Geraldine, you know nothing about what monastic life is about.

In the Eastern Church, it's not what a monk or nun does, but who he/she is that matters.

And since there are books written on the subject, it can't be adequately explained in 125 words, especially to people who have no idea what Christianity is really about, as is the case with many on here.

Christ is born! Glorify Him!
---Cluny on 12/27/11


Well spoken Geraldine. This is another wonderful truth that the Vatican has been exposed as a false church of Christ. They preach that Jesus Christ is the Son of God and they have traditions so deeply rooted in paganism that confirms, only God can set one free from such deception.

As you truthfully say, they are in contrary of Jesus's instructions to His disciples before He ascended to His Father's kingdom.

God bless you Geraldine.
---christan on 12/27/11


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