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Is The Trinity One God

Do you believe the trinity is ONE God in three forms, or THREE Gods that have an arranged and agreed upon hierarchy?

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JamesL, I do not believe that there is a 'separate little god, who in turn created everything else'. The 'one Big God' (as you call it) Jehovah did all the creating. Everything was created 'through him (Jesus Christ) and for him'- Jesus Christ being 'the firstborn of all creation', who is 'the image of the invisible God' and is 'God's son'- Col.1:15,16.

So it's true- there aren't two god's. There is only 'one Big God' and creator- Jehovah. The 'Word' who is Jehovah's son is described as being 'a god' or godlike or divine, and not a creator.

You also say, 'Scripture also says that these three are spirits, that they are God'. No it doesn't! Where does scripture say these three are God?
---David8318 on 1/11/12


aka,Interestingly the foot note in Jn.1.18. NIV says "OT people are said to have seen God(egEx.24.9-11)but we are also told no one can see God and live(Ex33.20)Therefore since no human being can see God as He really is,those who saw God saw him in a form He took on Himself temporarily fot the occasion.
If John's word (!Jn.4.20) and God's word (EX 33.20)is not sufficient then neither is mine!
---1st_cliff on 1/11/12


JamesL, yes I acknowledge that 'other god's' exist. But I do not worship them. I only worship 'one God' Jehovah (Deut.6:4, YHWH).

As Paul said, 'indeed there are many 'gods' and many 'lords''- 1 Cor.8:5. But like Paul I only worship one God as he declares in the next verse, 'yet for us there is but one God, the Father'.

However, you worship three God's. Not just three 'god's', but three 'God's'! This is direct from pagan Greek mythology and stems as far back as ancient pagan Egyptian mythology who worshipped their 'god's' in groups of three and referred to in the singular.

Finally, what does a man possessed by many demons have to do with our understanding God?
---David8318 on 1/11/12


JamesL- my translation doesn't say 'a[nother] god'. You fail to understand that the word 'god' can be a description and an identifier.

In John 1:1 the Greek word 'theos' occurs only twice. Only once does 'theos' appear with the definite article 'ton theos'- 'The God', giving us 'the Word was with (or toward) The God'.

The 2nd occurrence of 'theos' is in relation to 'the Word'- 'theos en ho logos'. However it is without the definite article ('ton'). Careful translators uninfluenced by the Hellenic trinity recognise that this occurrence of 'theos' is descriptive of what 'ho logos' is. It doesn't identify 'ho logos' as 'The God' it is with.

Translators Benjamin WIlson and others render this as 'divine being' or 'godlike'.
---David8318 on 1/11/12


Cliff, Christ appeared many times in the Old T. He did appear as the Angel of Jehovah. The Second Person of the Trintiy is the full manifestation of God in visible form. In Zechariah 12:10) where Jehovah is speaking, the description is to be applied clearly to Christ. "They shall look unto Me whom they have pierced" Only a human not a Spirit can be pierced. Revelation 1:7), describes Christ in the same language. Again in Jeremiah 23:5-6), Christ is declared to be "Jehovah our righteousness" ( 1 Cor.1:30).
Christ is also identified with "Elohim" of the Old Testament. In (Isa.40:3) Christ is spoken of as both Jehovah and Elohim (Luke 3:4).
---Mark_V. on 1/11/12




Oh he had to say it for it to be accurate? The apostles saw a man, even if that man was God he didn't all of a sudden become visible as God because he was in a man. Mal 3:6

I say to you demonstrating it should be sufficient enough for you to believe, or why did he say while yet in his flesh "where two or three are gathered together there I AM in the midst of them?"

It should be enough for you to see that oft times he knew the thoughts and hearts of men, or forgave a woman's sin who adored him and washed his feet with her tears.

You believe in the wrong Jesus, John 5:23
---Reason on 1/10/12


"no man has seen God" cliff1

1John 4:20 If anyone says, "I love God," and hates his brother, he is a liar, for he who does not love his brother whom he has seen cannot love God whom he has not seen. Apostle of Jesus Christ

John wrote this and he was an apostle. again, where did Jesus state this?
---aka on 1/10/12


YES!!!!.... Elohim
---John on 1/10/12


aka, Jesus said "no man has seen God" 1Jn.4.20,
Sure God spoke "face to face" with Moses but does the scripture say he "SAW" Him?? NO!

Come on Mark, Jacob wrestled with The God who created the universe??? How naive!
You are also agreeing that Jesus was an "angel"???(EX.3.2)
---1st_cliff on 1/10/12


Michelle, yes, I have seen the Holy Spirit. When we were worshipping in church, I seen Jesus appear to the right side of Pastor David, and Jesus had a small white flower placed in the side of his hair, and he was speaking impartation into the Pastor's ear. And as the Pastor opened his mouth while praying I seen the Holy Spirit come out of his mouth and he separated himself moving outward to be over the top of each person in the church that had their hands raised up in worship, and then the Holy Spirit poured himself into the top of each person as into vessels. A truly awesome sight that I have seen. Praise God!
---Eloy on 1/10/12




//Jesus states// cliff1

who stated that no one has seen God?
---aka on 1/10/12


1Cliff, you just don't get it. The man that wrestled with Jacob was God. The appearance of the Angel of the Lord in the flesh was God. Jacob saw a Man, but even he knew it was God. Peniel or "The face of God" was given by Jacob and the commentary given by (Hosea 12:4) identifies this Man with whom Jacob wrestled as the Angel of the Lord who is also identified as God, a pre-incarnate appearance of the Lord Christ. The same appearence of the Angel of the Lord is given in (Ex. 3:2) "And the Angel of the Lord appeared to him in a flame of fire from the midst of a bush"
The appearance of Christ in mentioned because He is the "Word" of God, He testifies of God.
---Mark_V. on 1/10/12


//aka, Not so fast here, Jesus states "No one has seen God"//

Exo 33:11 Thus Jehovah used to speak to Moses face to face, as a man speaks to his friend. ...
Exo 33:12 Moses said to Jehovah...

Wow! Jesus trumps Jehovah? Can i get a witness?
---aka on 1/9/12


\\I worship one God, Jehovah.\\
---David8318 on 1/9/12

But you acknowledge other "gods".

In mythoogy, there is almost always one big god and other lesser gods.

The Father is God according to scripture. He speaks, and it is made. Jesus is His WORD become flesh. The Holy Spirit is the breath of God, giving life.

Scripture also says that these three are spirits, that they are God, and they are distinct from one another.

There is nothing physical that can truly be equated to God - by which we could fathom Him, or anything that is purely spirit.

How do you explain:
"I" am Legion, because "WE" are many ???
---James_L on 1/9/12


David8318,
I am still dizzy. Exactly how do you believe that there is one Big God, who created a separate little god, who in turn created everything else, and yet there aren't two gods?

One supreme God, sure. I get that. But monetheism? Who you tryin to snow over with that one?

If John 1:1 has "theos en ho logos" meaning only god-like, why does your translation say "a[nother] god" ???

Reeks of Canaanite Baal worship, or Greco-Roman mythology.
---James_L on 1/9/12


aka, Not so fast here, Jesus states "No one has seen God"
Jacob said he saw Him face to face. conflicting statements? One would have to go with Jesus' statement and conclude that Jacob saw a "representative" (angel) as in other instances! Jesus would have knowledge of Jacob's statement, would He not?
By saying what He did would rule out "all" apperitions of God as being factual!
---1st_cliff on 1/9/12


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There is no trinity just theologians who add words to the doctrine and confuse their own interpretation with man made names and traditions.

Find Trinity in the bible....

God never wrote it that confirms it, so don't spread it...

It's a lie, like most traditions and false doctrines preached on this sight...

The is no such word or concept. The word has to be rightly divided, line upon line precept upon precept....
---Carla on 1/9/12


JamesL- of course I disagree with you on your understanding of what polytheism means. As I said before, I worship one God, Jehovah.

Your understanding of the word 'god' (theos) in fact highlights your polytheist view. The word 'god' is always an identifier for you. However, the correct non-polytheist rendering of 'theos en ho logos' has 'theos' describing what 'ho logos' is- 'a divine being', or 'godlike'. The context and Greek grammar combine so that 'the Word' is not confused with 'the God it is with'.

You are truly polytheist in that you worship both 'the God' at Jo.1:1 and 'the Word' who in your understanding was also 'God'. Thus you identify two 'God's' at Jo.1:1 whom you worship underscoring your polytheist indoctrination.
---David8318 on 1/9/12


Have you ever seen a spirit,and we cannot see God because of his glory so he sent his son Jesus in the form of flesh to dwell among men.So yes God is all three in one. We will never ever have three Gods.He said in his word the Lord thy God is one.I and the father is one,there is no other God before me.You cannot serve two masters,you must love one and hate the other.
---Michelle on 1/9/12


On seeing God, as I truly have, Jesus says: "Blessed they of clean heart, for they will see God. All things were given to me by the Father of me: and no one knows the Son, except the Father, nor does know anyone the Father, except the Son, and to whomever will the Son reveal. The one that has my commandments, and keeps them, this one it is that loves me: and the one that loves me will be loved of Father of me and I will love that one, and will reveal myself to that one. If a person love me that one will keep my words: and Father of me will love that one, and we will come to that one, and our dwelling in that one we will make." Matthew 5:8+ 11:27+ John 14:21,23.
---Eloy on 1/9/12


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//Jesus says no one has "SEEN" God! -cliff_1//

the same bible says: Gen 32:30 So Jacob called the name of the place Peniel, saying, "For I have seen God face to face, and yet my life has been delivered."

so, then the bible lies and is totally invalid. yet, you continue to use a few of the verses for your airtight case. if one argues from an invalid source, isn't that person presenting an invalid case?

all are drawn to reconcile the paradox. some do...some won't, and fortunately the case is not closed for others.
---aka on 1/9/12


Cliff, here's why I know your not born again of the Spirit. You argue Christ was not God. You say "God is Spirit" that Jesus told everyone no one had seen God. That's True. How can they see God if He is Spirit? When people looked at Jesus they saw a human being like them. The human being was born of Mary. Jesus the human did not exist before His birth. Jesus was a name given to Him at birth. But we know in Deity He was God because we are told
"Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary they wife: "for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Spirit" (Matt. 1:20). In Spirit, Jesus is the Son of God. How can you understand your Spiritual birth if you don't understand Jesus birth?
---Mark_V. on 1/9/12


Jack 2: John begins his theme by introducing first the Word so they could understand what he was about to tell them.
1. "in the beginning was the Word" Here he explains the Word's eternity.
2. "And the Word was with God" here he shows the Words Personality. The power that fulfills God's purpose is the power of a distinct personal being. One who stands in an eternal relation to God of active fellowship.
3. "And the Word was God" Here he shows the deity. Though personally distinct from the Father, He is not a creature. He is divine in Himself, as the Father is.
4. "Through Him all things were made" Here the Word is described as creating. He was the Father's agent in every act of making
---Mark_V. on 1/8/12


aka, The final word seems to be at 1Jn.4.20 "For anyone who does not love his brother whom he has seen cannot love God WHOM HE HAS NOT SEEN"
After walking this earth for more than 33 years Jesus says no one has "SEEN" God!
End of argument Jesus is/was not "GOD"!
---1st_cliff on 1/8/12


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Jesus represents the One, and only entity that could be remotely considered "the trinity of God", as The Tangible expression of the Mind[set], Soul, and Body, of the One, Invisible, Supreme, Spiritual, Deity, that is Our Father.
---joseph on 1/8/12


Has anyone ever SEEN God? Scriptures such as John 1:18, Exodus 33:20, John 6:46 and 1John 4:12 say NO. Bible passages such as Genesis 32:30, Exodus 33:11, Isaiah 6:1 and Job 42:5 appear to say YES.

all are drawn to reconcile. some do...some won't.
---aka on 1/8/12


Jack, your right, we cannot forget the Word. A careful study shows that before John introduced the Son of God he spoke of the Word. There was no danger of this being misunderstood. Old Testament readers would pick up the reference at once. God's Word in the Old Testament is His creative "Utterance," His power in action fulfilling His purpose. The Old Testament depicted God's utterance, as having power in itself to effect the things purposed. compare to Genesis 1 you can see that we read, "God said, let there be.. and there was..(1:3) and "by the Word of the Lord were the heavens made.. He spoke, and it came to be" (Psa. 33:6,9). The Word of God is thus God at work. Now follow John 1:1 cont.
---Mark_V. on 1/8/12


\\James L, You are reading it wrong,God did not breathe a "person" into Adam. He breathed into his nostrils the "breathe of life" and he BECAME a living soul"\\
---1st_cliff on 1/7/12

This "person" that God breathed was Adam's spirit. Before that, it was just a body. Depending on which translation you read, then he became a living soul, creature, being, etc.

Isaiah 57:16 ....then the spirit of man would grow faint before me--the breath of man that I have created.
---James_L on 1/8/12


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he that hath seen me hath seen the Father, and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?
---JackB on 1/7/12


//"three gods" ...are NOT FOUND in Holy Scripture.//

yes, but three spirits are.

and by the way, you claim that in John it says that jesus was a god. Jehovah is God. whether a big god or little god, that is polygamy.
---aka on 1/7/12


Jack B et al, Scripture says "No one has seen God at any time"
Also "No man can see God and live"
So seeing Jesus was only an "image" of the Father not the Father himself!
As far as John chap.1 "the word was ? God" there's no article "a" in Greek , so how else can you state this??
When God "begot" a Son was He human, Angel, Seraphim Teraphim? NO! the same as His Father...Divine!
---1st_cliff on 1/7/12


TWO VIEWS could be the FIRST clue the pagan abomination of trinity "god" is FALSE!!!

Christ NEVER claimed, or alluded to, or even mentioned HE was ONE with the Holy Spirit

IN FACT Holy Scripture NEVER claims or alludes to the Holy Spirit as a "god"

Christ stated HE was one with the Father - SIMPLY being in agreement

yet many want to follow the ignorance of mortal men and the catechism RATHER THAN Holy Scripture

"one god in three forms" or "three gods" along with the pagan trinity are NOT FOUND in Holy Scripture

There are ONLY two GODS The Father in Heaven and Christ PER Holy Scripture
---Rhonda on 1/7/12


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-David8318 "the Word WAS God" is also in there. Strange you left that part out.

God addresses the Son as "God" (Heb 1:8)

Last but not least....

"If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.

Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us. Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father, and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?

If you dont believe that He IS God in the flesh, then you will die in your sins.
---JackB on 1/7/12


GOD is a Divine Family Unit of Three Persons (Father, Holy Spirit and Son) Who work together in perfect harmony and union. They are ONE, just as a human father, mother and child are ONE family. Just as when a man leaves his father and mother and joins with his wife and the two, then, become ONE. Just as the whole Body of CHRIST is ONE. There are countless numbers of true Believers of GOD in the Church today, and they are all ONE. That "many being ONE" is what GOD means when HE says that HE is "ONE". Not "One Person" on the Throne in Heaven, but, Three Divine Persons perfectly united into ONE.
---Gordon on 1/7/12


//'Three in one'- like the word 'trinity', is also not found in the Bible// David

i agree the argument is weak, and it is yours. that's the point.

the word does not have to appear in the bible. it is a conceptual term to try to describe the indescribable.

but, of course, you ignore what i really write and lump me in with group that believes in a concept that i do not totally agree with.

nevertheless, i do know that you believe in at least two gods. Jehovah and Jesus. a little god Jesus may be to you, but nevertheless a god. so, you do believe there is more than one god, no?
---aka on 1/7/12


James L, You are reading it wrong,God did not breathe a "person" into Adam. He breathed into his nostrils the "breathe of life" and he BECAME a living soul"
I said nothing about "electricity" HS is not electricity!
You can be taught or comforted from your PC.
You cant breathe electricity!
You don't understand HS power!
You think God made everything in a lab with His hands???
---1st_cliff on 1/7/12


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\\you don't breathe a "person" on anyone.\\
1st Cliff on 1/6/12

But God did when He made Adam. He made a body out of dust, and breathed a person into it.

Compare:
John 20:22 enephusesen kai legei autois labete pneuma agios
Genesis 2:7 kai enephusesen eis to prosopon auton pnoen zoes (LXX)

Can you do that? I know I can't.

Besides, an "active force" can't teach, comfort, or become grieved. I've never heard of electricity comforting anyone, or gravity becoming offended.
---James_L on 1/6/12


James L, I won't keep you waiting.
Jesus performed no miracles until He received Holy Spirit at His baptism. (remember it came down from His Father who said "This is My Son in whom I am well pleased")
After receiving HS he raised the dead , healed many walked on water etc..
I have mentioned pneuma many times on here!
Jesus was able to breathe HS on them because He was free to use this power. again I say you don't breathe a "person" on anyone!
---1st_cliff on 1/6/12


David8318,

I'm not trying to rehash the argument about the Greek consrtuct of John 1:1

My point is that your battle cry against the Trinity is polytheism (3 Gods)

First, there is a misunderstanding of what the bible teaches (on the part of Trinitarians, too)

Second, that is a blatant misrepresentation of what Trinitarians teach.

Third, you believe that there is a hierarchy of "gods" - one "Almighty" god concocting all the plans, and a bunch of little minion gods doing all the work. THAT, my friend, is no different from the Greco-Romans, or any other pagan polytheism.

So before you cry "pagan, Platonic, 3 gods" you should at least be honest about your own beliefs.
---James_L on 1/6/12


Everyone should remember Scott speaks the truth because

''The Watchtower is not the instrument of any man or any set of men, nor is it published according to the whims of men. No man's opinion is expressed in The Watchtower.'' (The Watchtower, "Taught of God", November 1st, 1931, paragraph 19.)

''The Governing Body publishes spiritually encouraging literature in many languages. This spiritual food is based on Gods word, thus what is taught is not from men, but from Jehovah.'' (The Watchtower, "Unity Identifies True Worship", September 15, 2010, paragraph 8.)
---Marc on 1/6/12


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"You just said it the SON OF GOD." Scott1

If calling Jesus the "Son of God" makes him the Almighty...he's got company:

"Where were you when I laid the foundation of the earth? Tell me, if you have understanding....when the morning stars sang together and all the sons of God [angels] shouted for joy?" Job 38:4, 7 ESV


"...The son of Enosh, the son of Seth, the son of Adam, the son of God." Luke 3:38, NIV

"You are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus.." Gal 3:26
---scott on 1/6/12


\\Jesus breathed on them and said "receive Holy Spirit"\\
---1st_cliff on 1/6/12

Very interesting that you would mention this incident. Just how is it that the "active force" of God comes from someone who is not God, just by breathing? Have you ever done that? I sure haven't

You do know that "pneuma" can mean air, spirit, breath, etc. ???

So Jesus breathed onto (into) someone the breath of God? Yet He's not God? Do you have any scriptures to show anyone but God Himself breathing the breath of God?

I'll wait anxiously for your reply, Cliff
---James_L on 1/6/12


JackB- John 1:3, 'Through him all things were made, without him nothing was made that has been made'.

All things were made 'through' him- 'the Word'. In the context of John 1:1, 'the God with whom the Word was with' is the creator.

Yes 'the Word was manifest in the flesh'. But not God. God cannot be manifest in flesh because as Jesus said regarding God, 'God is a spirit'- John 4:24. Jesus was manifest in the flesh because he is not God. If he were the eternal God who is a spirit, then 'God' could not have died for us.

Thus 2 John 1:7 applies to those who deny Jesus came in the flesh and not as God who is 'a spirit'. Do you believe Jesus was God or flesh? I believe Jesus was completely flesh as 2 Jo.1:7 states.
---David8318 on 1/6/12


Using a term to explain something the Bible says does not make it false.

The question is does the Bible teach the trinity doctrine. My answer is yes.

Witnesses beleive there is more then one GOD. So they fail to believe the basic truth of the Bible that GOD is the only GOD.

Isa 43:10 Ye [are] my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I [am] he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.

Do you witness that there are no other GOD but one as this verse says?
---Samuel on 1/6/12


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James L- please not John 1:1 again! I worship only one God- the Almighty God Jehovah (YHWH). In the true sense I am not polytheist because I worship only one God, Jehovah.

However, you worship three God's. I know you say 'three in one', but that's only the Hellenic, Neo-Platonic teaching that you've been indoctrinated with which tells you this- not the scriptures.

The trinitarian rendering of John 1:1 confirms polytheism is at the root of the trinity dogma. 'The Word was with God and the Word was God'. There are 2 God's in your understanding of Jo.1:1- the 'God' with whom the Word 'was with', and also 'the Word was God'.

The correct none polytheist rendering differentiates between 'the God' and 'a god'.
---David8318 on 1/6/12


David,

You ''reason'' that because the word 'Trinity' does not appear in the Bible, the triune God can't exist. Following your logic then, because the word 'mathematics' doesn't appear in the Bible, the rules of maths don't exist either?

Or better still, because the word 'theocracy' doesn't appear in the Bible The Watchtower's whole self-affirming basis is a mirage? For example, ''Jehovah's using only one organisation today to accomplish his will. To receive everlasting life in the earthly Paradise we MUST identify that organisation and serve God as part of it'' (The Watchtower, 2/15/83, p. 12) is wholly false?
---Marc on 1/6/12


Cluny, What do you mean Holy Spirit is a "person"?
Jesus breathed on them and said "receive Holy Spirit" You don't breathe a person!!
The holy Spirit descended in the form of a dove.
The HS is a bird??? Tongues of fire??? And doesn't have a personal name like "Jesus or YHWH"
Both Son and Father "SEND" HS , HS sends no one!
HS is the power used to accomplish all the tasks.
This is only part of the program!
---1st_cliff on 1/6/12


I have seen and I testify that this is the Son of God'- John 1:29,34.

David you just said it the SON OF GOD. The son of God is GOD. John 1:1 In the beginning (this is the SON) became flesh same as Gen 1:1 In the beginning (reference to the SON) God created the heavens ...
Or take King David, "The Lord (God the Father) said to my Lord (the Son) sit at my right..." David would not call his son a lord but his father lord for he is the firstborn. The point is Jesus is God (the Son) and human (last Adam)
---Scott1 on 1/6/12


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David8318* End the blog question there! Why should anyone believe something about God that is not written in scripture?

Yes, End of blog. There is alot of things we don't know about God himself!

David8318* There is no trinity, it is not in the Bible and 'trinity' is not used to describe God by Jesus Christ or any of the first Century apostles and Bible writers.

The word 'Bible' is not in scripture, and Jesus nor the Apostles tells us, our faith will be determine soley on books.

David8318*'Three in one'- like the word 'trinity', is also not found in the Bible and thus not a Bible teaching about the personality of God.

Where in the Bible does it say everything has to be in there to be true?
---Ruben on 1/6/12


\\Trinitarians use pagan Greek Neo-platonic philosophies to teach Jesus is also 'God'.\\
---David8318 on 1/6/12


JWs use Greco-Roman polytheism to teach that the Father is a big god, and that Jesus is a little god.

The Word was "a" god? Just how many gods are there in your perverted brand of "monotheism"?

Since you believe that Jesus is a god, and that Jesus created "all other things", then you believe that there are at least two creators.

Stop the dishonesty, and own your polytheism for what it is
---James_L on 1/6/12


I believe exactly as scripture teaches. Trinitarians use pagan Greek Neo-platonic philosophies to teach Jesus is also 'God'.
---David8318 on 1/6/12


So what do you do with John chapter 1, David? It clearly states that the Word of God made everything and that Word became flesh in the person of Jesus Christ. That proves Jesus Christ our Creator. He is our God manifest in the flesh.

The Bible also is very clear that those who deny this are of the spirit of antichrist.

For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess NOT that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist. (2 John 1,7)
---JackB on 1/6/12


Jack, the term "Trinity" describes a relationship not of three gods, but One God who is three Persons. Trinity does not mean "tritheism" that is, that there are three beings who together are God. The word Trinity is used in an effort to define the fullness of the Godhead both in terms of His unity and diversity. God is One in essence and three in Person. The Bible strongly affirms the unity of God (Deut. 6:4) on the other hand the Bible clearly affirms the full Deity of the three Persons of the Godhead, the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. The Church rejected the heresies of "modalism" and "tritheism."
All three Persons have the same attributes of Deity, but only made clear in the New Testament.
---Mark_V. on 1/6/12


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Aka- you say, 'i i can't find Pioneers, Auxiliary Pioneers, District Overseers, Circuit Overseers, Bethelites, and Kingdom Halls in the bible either.'

But these are not terms used to describe anything about the 'form' or personality of God.

The 'trinity' however is used by you and others to describe the very essence and form of God. A word that does not appear in the Bible.

Your argument is weak, and I think you need to try again.
---David8318 on 1/6/12


Scott1- Jesus is the 'Son of God' and the 'last Adam'- 1 Cor.15:45.

God didn't sin in Eden- Adam did. God wasn't required to pay for our sins, but a perfect man (another 'Adam') was. That 'second' Adam was God's Son, Jesus Christ.

'So it is written: 'The first man Adam became a living being', the last Adam, a life-giving spirit'. 1 Cor.15:45 (NIV).

'The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him and said, 'Look, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world'... I have seen and I testify that this is the Son of God'- John 1:29,34.

No 'trinity', or 'God the Son' teaching. I believe exactly as scripture teaches. Trinitarians use pagan Greek Neo-platonic philosophies to teach Jesus is also 'God'.
---David8318 on 1/6/12


Holy Trinity: is ONE God that has manifested Himself to human-beings in three forms. The ways HE manifests Himself to other creatures we may never know.
---Adetunji on 1/6/12


JackB, A-men. God Almighty in flesh, Wow! Now that is concentrated power! Watch him walk on top the water! walk through shut doors! and raise the dead! even raise himself! Hallelujah! Jesus is called "God the Father" because he is, Isaiah 9:6+ John 10:30+ 14:9, Jesus is called "the Son from God" because he is, Isaiah 7:14+ 8:10+ 9:6+ Matthew 1:18,20-23, Jesus is called "the Holy Ghost" because he is, Job 4:15-17+ Daniel 3:25+ John 20:22,23+ II Corinthians 3:17. Jesus is God Almighty. Revelation 1:8.
---Eloy on 1/5/12


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---Neither. The trinity is not 3 different beings, but 3 aspects of 1 God, just as there are 3 corners in 1 triangle.
---Eloy on 1/5/12

See that's how Ive always thought of God. He obviously transcends space and time as we know it. So how could we even interact with a god such at that unless he changes his aspect in order to make contact with us. The eternal Soul ,God in the flesh to die for our sins and God in spirit to indwell every believer.
---JackB on 1/5/12


//'Three in one'- like the word 'trinity', is also not found in the Bible// David

i i can't find Pioneers, Auxiliary Pioneers, District Overseers, Circuit Overseers, Bethelites, and Kingdom Halls in the bible either.
---aka on 1/5/12


Scott1,

I can't speak for the others here who argue against the trinity but I can tell you with absolute confidence that Jehovah's Witnesses in no way view Christ as just a "good person".

The scriptures are clear that Jesus Christ is the very "Son of God", our Savior, the Lamb that takes away the sin of the world, the long-awaited Messiah who willingly left his place in Heaven to come to Earth to die for our sins. It is only by exercising faith in Christ and his sacrifice that we can gain everlasting life.

"If you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead you will be saved...one confesses with the mouth and so is saved..." 1 Cor 15:1-4
---scott on 1/5/12


\\e has a Son and a Holy Spirit force to enjoy His creation!
Get with the program!!
---1st_cliff on 1/5/12\\

The Son and the Holy Spirit have the same substance/essence as the Father. And the Holy Spirit is a person, not a force.

YOU get with the program.
---Cluny on 1/5/12


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David says//Why should anyone believe something about God that is not written in scripture?\\

Exactly...please show me in scripture where it says Jesus is actually michael the archangel.
---JIM on 1/5/12


---David8318 on 1/5/12

Then who is Jesus. Is Jesus just a person who lived a very good life. That does not sound like a savior.
---Scott1 on 1/5/12


Here is one example that may give light on this subject .
Can anyone tell the difference or differentiate between the indwelling spirit,the holy spirit or the spirit of truth????
Please raise your hand if you can.
Likewise no martal can do so with the Truth ,word or spirit.
We do know the Big Three are indivisible,inseperatable , omnipresent ,all knowing, omnipotent and other additional qualifications that meet the criteria of GOD.
We cannot tell one from the other in the actual sense but in the spiritual sense all three are reconed as God in a singular form but not monoethistically again God is actually plural-a trinity consisting of three but not three GODS.Three actuals exist but only one Spirit.
---earl on 1/5/12


As far as what I was taught in mainstream churches it is 3in 1. 1 God dual roles. however reading scripture ,God is seperate from Jesus (his son)and from the holyspirit. However God and Jesus share the same idea for Gods kingdom.
---nontrinitariangirl on 1/5/12


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GOD is one. JESUS is GOD but a seperate person. The Father is GOD but not the same as JESUS. The HOLY SPIRIT it GOD but He is not the Father or the son.

GOD is one but three. The bible teaches JESUS is GOD but GOD is one. The Bible speaks of GOD the Father who is not JESUS.

So the Bible teaches the trinity it does not explain it. So GOD is beyond our understanding. I am okay with that.
---Samuel on 1/5/12


Eloy, There are 4 corners in a square and 5 in a pentagon, what has that to do with anything?
Why do so called Christians believe that God needs 2 helpers???
He's not three of anything,He is ONE that's all He needs.
He has a Son and a Holy Spirit force to enjoy His creation!
Get with the program!!
---1st_cliff on 1/5/12


\\ONE God in Three Forms.\\

"Form" is precisely a wrong word to use.

As I said elsewhere, how can people discuss Orthodox monasticism who don't even know basic B-flat Christian dogma?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 1/5/12


Neither. The trinity is not 3 different beings, but 3 aspects of 1 God, just as there are 3 corners in 1 triangle.
---Eloy on 1/5/12


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JackB, Most children are able to understand God much better than adults do. When God appears to a child, the child does not question, "Is this all God, is this some part of God and some part of man, ts this a trinity or some part of the trinity, et cetera." But instead, no measurings or questions arise, but the child instinctively knows and accepts that the being that is shown to them is God, and immediately becomes filled with awe and love for the Father which has come to be in front of the child.
---Eloy on 1/5/12


JackB, Most children are able to understand God much better than adults do. When God appears to a child, the child does not question, "Is this all God, is this some part of God and some part of man, is this a trinity or some part of the trinity, et cetera." But instead, no measurings or questions arise, but the child instinctively knows and accepts that the being that is shown to them is God, and immediately becomes filled with awe and love for the Father which has come to be in front of the child.
---Eloy on 1/5/12


"Do you believe the trinity..." NO! End the blog question there! Why should anyone believe something about God that is not written in scripture? There is no trinity, it is not in the Bible and 'trinity' is not used to describe God by Jesus Christ or any of the first Century apostles and Bible writers.

'Three in one'- like the word 'trinity', is also not found in the Bible and thus not a Bible teaching about the personality of God.

'God the Father, God the Son, God the holy spirit'- also not found in scripture and not a Bible teaching about the personality of God.

'Hear, O Israel: Jehovah our God is one Jehovah'- Deut.6:4 (ASV). Nowhere in the Bible does it say the false 'Three in one' doctrine.
---David8318 on 1/5/12


ONE God in Three Forms.

God the Father
God the Son
God the Holy Spirit

ONE God, Three Forms.
---anon on 1/5/12


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Colo.2 v 9. One God.
---Lawrence on 1/5/12


The Trinity is just a way of thinking about God that makes sense to a lot of people. But it doesn't define God or describe God. Nothing can do that.
---John.usa on 1/5/12


neither...i believe in three spirits that form one Deity or Godliness (elohim).

one revealed as the one God to a small group of people through which one came for a very brief time as a one person. another comes after to live in the lives of those few that accept this full revelation.

the agreement is a natural product of true Deity.
---aka on 1/5/12


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