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I have the feeling that some Non-Profit businesses are better at helping the needy than my church.

Is it OK to "financially support" these secular Non-Profits, in addition to my church?

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The Bible says that children are a blessing from the Lord.

You think it's acceptable to stop the Lord's blessings, Trish? Or engage in partial castration?
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oh here we go rcc's warped idea of continue to have children even if we can't afford them or better yet let the sacred bond of our marriage be tempted because we both agree to be celibate within our sacred marriage designed for the purpose of sex

oh yes we could debate the insanity of the false churches contradictory message however rcc is not a christian church ...so their MISUSE of one scripture to support their antichrist idea to be wreckless and have children others must take care of or to deliberately tempt their own spouse is their position it is NOT GODS
---Rhonda on 3/13/12


Cluny:

Guilty people react with vehemenence when justly accused, because either their conscience convicts them and they don't want to hear it, or they want to avoid society's just punishment.

Innocent people also react with vehemence and outrage when unjustly accused, because such accusations assault their person, and aslo their sense of justice.

Remember, God does not consider blasphemy a heinous sin because blasphemies against him are true, but because they are not.

Also, note "thou shalt not bear false witness" is one of the ten commandments, while "thou shalt not bear true witness that embarasses the target" is not (though unfortunately, in some European countries today, it might as well be.)
---StrongAxe on 2/29/12


Yes, donating to the needy, when you know the support is actually going to the needy, whether you give it to a church or else give it to some other mission is a good thing.
---Eloy on 2/29/12


Cluny: My vehemence was based on the shock that someone would question a decision made between my husband and me 30 years ago. Nobody has ever been so rude to either him or me. How a couple plans their family is not for anyone else to interfere with. The use of contraception, whether temporary or permanent, is between the husband, the wife and God.
---Trish on 2/29/12


\\Cluny: Who are you to say that God disagrees with them?\\

Trish,who are you to say God agrees with them?

Were your conscience clear, you would not have reacted with such vehemence.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/29/12




Cluny: I have a clear conscience. I have done nothing wrong in my family planning.
---Trish on 2/29/12


Cluny:

Yes, children are a blessing, but they are blessings that come at a great cost, and one many cannot afford. What is the difference between preventing the creation of a child that otherwise could be born by artificial means (like a vasectomy) than by natural means (like abstinence)? In both cases, a child is not born. Should one consider abstinence similar to the sin of Onan - i.e. wilfully preventing the creation of a life that should have otherwise been created?

Perhaps excluding the patriarchs, the Bible is full of small families without reproach. Why didn't they breed like rabbits? Perhaps because there is nothing wrong with choosing to be responsible, rather than raising more children than one can afford to feed?
---StrongAxe on 2/29/12


Cluny: Who are you to say that God disagrees with them? There is nothing in Scripture that says birth control is sin. We were fruitful, and had three children. They have been a blessing for the past 30 to 35 years. My study of Scripture says we did the responsible thing, and took care to provide for the three children God gave us.

What is your point to argue over a decision my ex and I made 30 years ago? You are not my judge. I don't answer to you.
---Trish on 2/29/12


Trish, why do I hear the squeal of a pricked conscience when I quoted the Word of God calling children a blessing?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/29/12


\\Our pastor saw nothing wrong with our decision, and neither did an elder in our church.
---Trish on 2/28/12\\

Too bad God disagrees with them.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/29/12




trish, what you and your husband did is admirable. After our third child my husband did the same thing. No excuse for many having one child after another and depend on the government to feed them. Anyone can go to the country health department and get birth control free. Yet, we still see young girls who have one child after another. The problem with all this is our young are morally depraved. That is the answer but most don't live by it. There is absolutely no excuse for anyone having one child after another.
---shira4368 on 2/29/12


Cluny: How dare you judge a decision my husband and I made 30 years ago. Neither of us had full time work, and no medical insurance. We had three children, including an infant who constantly got sick. We couldn't afford to take our children to the doctor, or pay for the medicine when they got sick. We needed food stamps and WIC to provide for our preschooler and infant.

We prayed and sought the Lord's guidance for that decision. With my mental illness, and lack of medical insurance, the stress of more children, and our inability to provide for them, was exacerbating my mental state.

Our pastor saw nothing wrong with our decision, and neither did an elder in our church.
---Trish on 2/28/12


\\Then, my husband got a vasectomy for only $10 when we had no insurance. There is nothing wrong with either of those things.
---Trish on 1/9/12\\

The Bible says that children are a blessing from the Lord.

You think it's acceptable to stop the Lord's blessings, Trish? Or engage in partial castration?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/28/12


I have the feeling that some Non-Profit businesses are better at helping the needy than my church.

Is it OK to "financially support" these secular Non-Profits, in addition to my church?

---Sag on 1/6/12
Many hospitals are non profit
---francis on 1/16/12


While I do not favor Planned Parenthood's use of abortions, my husband and I were both helped by them during our marriage. I was able to obtain free gynecological care and birth control, when I had no insurance. Then, my husband got a vasectomy for only $10 when we had no insurance. There is nothing wrong with either of those things.
---Trish on 1/9/12


yes it is good to support Non-profits even secular programs. God throughout the Bible commands us to help the poor. The tithe which went to the temple-church. But there were other programs that were not included in the tithe. Like "gleaning the fields" which is for farmers to leave food on the crops for the poor, Ruth and Jesus did this. Jesus and many prophets tell us to care/help the poor and widows. However, the CHURCH will be the only thing that last so do NOT neglect the church which provides good, heavenly FOOD of salvation. Planned parenthood was created by a racist who wanted to reduced the African American population through abortions.
---Scott1 on 1/9/12


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Sag...Anyone who thinks Planned Parenthood gives women/girls a choice of life or death is sadly naive. In my work with abused/addicted women, I found that amost all of them used Planned Parenthood for birth control in the form of abortions.
---KarenD on 1/7/12


God gives to everyone. You can help your church, I hope, to discover how to do better. Churches do grow to do better. And you can personally find who God has you help.

Secular may help people just to stay alive so they can keep living their selfish lives while they become "worse and worse" (2 Timothy 3:13) for the day of judgment. So, really Christian ministry can do them more good.

How about organized discipleship groups who need support, and missionaries you can find?
---Bill_willa6989 on 1/7/12


Cluny, good answer. I'm happy with your response.
---John.usa on 1/6/12


\\What does scripture have to say about abortion or when human life begins? Just curious...
---John.usa on 1/6/12\\

Shortly after the Annunciation, when the unborn Baby Jesus was no more than a few days old (2 weeks at the most), Elizabeth greeted Mary as "Mother of my Lord" (actually, Mother of YHVH), and her own unborn child John the Baptist recognized the unborn Jesus.

What does this suggest to you?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 1/6/12


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What does scripture have to say about abortion or when human life begins? Just curious...
---John.usa on 1/6/12


\\God must be VERY disappointed in His own Pastors and Churches. Meanwhile, innocent babies are being killed daily. Around the whole Earth.\\

And your contributions to Planned Barrenhood support baby killing.
---Cluny on 1/6/12


Cluny,

I support Planned Parenthood because I'm PRO-CHOICE.

The CHOICE being: Life!

My prayer is that Planned Parenthood's clients learn to choose LIFE, not DEATH, for their unborn babies.

Something that none of the churches seem be be doing.

God must be VERY disappointed in His own Pastors and Churches. Meanwhile, innocent babies are being killed daily. Around the whole Earth.
---Sag on 1/6/12


\\Planned Parenthood\\

Planned Parenthood does abortions, and anyone who would kill babies would eat you-know-what with toasted coconut on it.
---Cluny on 1/6/12


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Mike...Just because a pastor drives a brand new car does not mean the church paid for it. My husband and I both drive brand new vehicles which we paid for out of our funds. The congregation knows that we take no salary. Yet, we have had people say, "How come every pastor of your church seems to always buy a new vehicle?" The last three pastors only drove used vehicles.
---KarenD on 1/6/12


KarenD, Mike:

There isn't much room to list all of the Non-Profits that I'd like to support. Here are some:

Sharing & Caring Hands
Planned Parenthood
Salvation Army
Red Cross

Some might have some church/religious affiliation. Others are scorned by Churches.

I find it amazing that Churches complain, but do little, or nothing, to help deal with many situations.

Example: Planned Parenthood.

A 40% out-of-wedlock birthrate still hasn't made the Christian Churches "Take Action". Yet.

I do have problems with how much some of these Non-Profit executives earn. Hopefully, that will change someday.
---Sag on 1/6/12


sag
before you give to these NON PROFIT why don't you google the salaries of its CEO. it is not worth giving when the money you give end up in their pockets
and as far as church giving is concerned many pastors make more in a month than I make in a year that is why you see these pastors driving luxury cars & living in homes but NO JOBS
---mike on 1/6/12


It would be helpful if you would name these "secular Non-Profits" as there are millions of them. To which are you referring?
---KarenD on 1/6/12


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