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What Was Finished On Cross

On the Cross, Jesus stated, "It is finished" (John 19:30). Exactly what was 'finished' at the Cross?

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Last time I checked Lee the four Gospels which were written to the church were part of the New Testament.

Also did not Paul write that all scripture is good for doctrine?

Where is a command to stop keeping Sabbath?
---Samuel on 1/25/12


Francis- To whom was Jesus speaking to when He stated that the sabbath was made for man and not man for the sabbath? If you answered the jews, you got the right answer.
---lee1538 on 1/24/12
It is NEVER a questionof to whom was jesus speaking. It is a question of to whom was MARK writing.
he was writting to THE CHURCH when he quoted Jesus
---francis on 1/25/12


Francis- To whom was Jesus speaking to when He stated that the sabbath was made for man and not man for the sabbath? If you answered the jews, you got the right answer.

Notice that this statement follows the discussion regarding putting new wine into old wineskins. And that is exactly what we do if we insist that old Covenant laws not of the new Covenant are imposed on the church.

You know all you have to do is to find one single verse of New Testament scripture that commands the observance of the Jewish Sabbath but all you may do is to point to Romans 14 where it says one may observe any day as holy if any at all.
---lee1538 on 1/24/12


Mark 2:27 The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:

1 Corinthians 11:9 Neither was the man created for the woman, but the woman for the man.

if MAN=JEW, then all none jews must hand thier wives over
---francis on 1/24/12


jerry //the Sabbath was made for MAN".

Contrary to what you want to beleive, Christ was speaking to Jewish man, not to the human race as a whole.

Any Jew you would ever met would tell you that the Sabbath was given only to them, not to Gentlile.

If the Sabbath were made for all humanity, its observance was only commanded of the Jewish nation.
---lee1538 on 1/24/12




Lee: I can't seem to find the words "Jewish sabbath" or "Jewish dietary laws" in my Bible. Could you please share with us where you picked up these peculiar phrases? You have previously quoted that "the Sabbath was made for MAN". Are all men Jews? Have you changed your mind on believing that scripture? It seems that your entire religion is one of searching for loopholes in God's Law to excuse your transgressions.


---jerry6593 on 1/24/12


I agree StevenG, there are so many more prophesies to be fufilled, and NOW only the Risen Christ can fulfill. NOW Zechariah 12-14 can be fulfilled, as that is concerning the Glorified risen Christ, who is the "Son of Man",( Jesus earthly KING TITLE spoken in Matthew= the return of the KING, as LeeJ just pointed out yet fails to understand how and where that verse applies.

Oh if only they understood Matthew was not written to the Church.

---kathr4453 on 1/24/12


Jerry, (2 Peter 3:9) in the context is talking about the "elect." Not the whole world. Peter was speaking to the "beloved" the "us." The "any" refers to those whom the Lord has chosen and will call to complete the redeemed, the "us." Since the whole passage is about God's destroying the wicked. He can't be waiting for everyone to be saved, since the emphasis is that He will destroy the world and the ungodly.
"all should come to repentance" the all "us" "any" refers to all who are God's people who will come to Christ to make up the full number of the people of God. He delays His coming because He is patient and desires the time for His people to repent.
---Mark_V. on 1/24/12


kathr4453 //1 John 2:2
And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

There would be no need to add this additional phraise IF it means ONLY FOR OURS!
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Matthew 20:28 Even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom FOR MANY.

Matthew 26:28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed FOR MANY for the remission of sins.

Are you afraid that you will become a Calvinist if you let scripture interpret scripture?
---lee1538 on 1/23/12


Mark_V.: "There was nothing left undone, for if there was things undone, then it is not finished,.."

The prophesies concerning only Jesus were finished. There are plenty of other prophsies that have yet to be fulfilled until the day after the thousand year reign of Christ when all of prophesy of the entire bible is absolutely, 100% finished.

Again, only the prophsies of Jesus' life on earth (some 300?, give or take a dozen) is finished. His mission on earth according to prophesy concerning Him is finished. His work to redeem mankind is finished. His work to bring together the apostles to carry on his work is finished.
---Steveng on 1/23/12




"Exactly what was 'finished' at the Cross"?

The penelty for you sins.
Romans 3:22-24
---JIM on 1/23/12


Hebrews 9:25-27
25Nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year with blood of others,

26For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.

Romans 6:10
For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.

This is what the Calvin doctrine twists out of context. If Christ's sacrifice was based on individual election, THEN Christ would have to suffer and die many times over.

Christ's sacrifice was ONCE AND FOR ALL.

IF you understood Leviticul 16, you would get what is FULFILLED in Christ.
---kathr4453 on 1/23/12


Jerry //I can't seem to find the words "Jewish sabbath" or "Jewish dietary laws" in my Bible.

I would not be disturbed as it is too easy to see ONLY Judaism observed the OT Sabbath and the OT dietary laws.

Such were not found within any other culture, religion or country.

And these are terms you will find in the literature to describe these tenets of Judaism.

While Adventism believes the OT Sabbath and the dietary laws are applicable to the Christian, they have yet to provide any support for these views from either the Scripture or from church history.

Romans 14 does, however, gives you the right to your convictions in regard to observance of a holy day or of food you may or may not eat.
---lee1538 on 1/23/12


1 John 2:2
And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

There would be no need to add this additional phraise IF it means ONLY FOR OURS!


Yes it does apply to every single person. YET, if as you say, or misunderstand propitiation to mean universal salvation, then there would be no need for FAITH. And NO requirement whatsoever for salvation.

This is where YOU fail to see that forgivness is based on what Christ DID, as anyone who now places their FAITH in Jesus death and resurrection God CAN and does forgive, because the penalty for SIN has already been taken care of.
---kathr4453 on 1/23/12


MarkV: "Christ "Propiatiation" apply's to every single person in the world. Such nonsense."

2Pe 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness, but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that ANY should perish, but that ALL should come to repentance.


---jerry6593 on 1/23/12


Lee: You continue to confuse forgiveness for past sins with permission to commit future ones.

Jesus said:

Neither do I condemn thee: go, and SIN NO MORE. (Joh 8:11)


---jerry6593 on 1/23/12


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MarkV, Jesus SATISFIED the WRATH OF GOD. What was fulfilled at the cross was the WRATH of God, and God's judgemennt ON SIN. Just as in Leviticus 16, on the day of atonement. The day of Atonement covered the SIN OF ALL THE PEOPLE( Israel that is)....not just some of the people, but not for Gentiles either..

So when John says, not only for ours...Jews, but for the whole world, = Gentiles too. Or John 3:16 for the whole world, this included Gentiles and Jews.

Propitiation means to satisfy God, not satisfy sin.

You really do need to study Leviticus, as salvation is based solely on these types and shadows. Salvation is OF the Jews. Meaning OF teh foundation of the Jewish faith.
---kathr4453 on 1/23/12


You can be justified by the law if and only if you obey all the laws all the time, because there would not be any grounds for condemnation. (seeBarnes notes on Romans 2:13)

Howbeit, no one has yet to be able to do that. And that is why we need be justified by faith in Christ.

Remember that the law was but a temporary measure to bring us to Christ UNTIL we could be justified by faith. Galatians 3:24-25

The legalist cannot conceive of any justification by faith because they really do not know Christ. They will continue to believe that their savior has to be obedience to law, they do not need Jesus as a Savior.
---lee1538 on 1/22/12


---kathr4453 on 1/22/1
HHHMMm read a bit more
Deuteronomy 6:25 And it shall be OUR righteousness, if WE OBSERVE TO DOD all these commandments before the LORD our God, as he hath commanded us.

Romans 2:13 For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

COMPARE

Galatians 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ
---francis on 1/22/12


Kathr, by giving (Heb. 2:17) you are implying that Christ "Propiatiation" apply's to every single person in the world. Such nonsense. The word "Propitiation" means "to conclliate" or "Satisfy" If He satisfied the sins of everyone, then the whole world would be saved. No one would owe a debt. Christ's works of propitiation is related to His highpriestly ministry. By His partaking of a human nature, Christ demonstrated His mercy to mankind and His faithfulness to God by satisfying God's requierment for sin and thus obtaining for "His people" full forgiveness ( 1 John 2:2: 4:10). The rest of the world has not been forgiven. You knew that but still argued.
---Mark_V. on 1/22/12


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NOTICE THE PRONOUNS and VERBS

1 John 3:3 And every man that hath this hope in him PURIFIETH HIMSELF, even as he is pure.

Romans 8:13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if YE through the Spirit DO MORTIFY the deeds of the body, ye shall live.

Colossians 3:5 MORTIFY therefore YOUR members which are upon the earth, fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry:

1 Corinthians 9:27 But I keep under MY body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.

THIS PUTS THE RESPONSIBILITY ON US, NOT ON JESUS but through jesus
---francis on 1/22/12


9And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:

10That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death,

This is what Galatians 2:20-21 mean as well as Romans 6, Colossians 3:1-4

Not to mention we were predestined to be CONFORMED to the Image of Jesus Christ INCLUDING being conformed to His death.

THIS is the Gospel according to the Mystery.

Christ is our life, and we LIVE by HIS RIGHTEOUSNESS period! No such thing as IMPARTED righteousness in the Gospel according to the Mystery!
---kathr4453 on 1/22/12


Lee: I can't seem to find the words "Jewish sabbath" or "Jewish dietary laws" in my Bible. Could you please share with us where you picked up these peculiar phrases? You have previously quoted that "the Sabbath was made for MAN". Are all men Jews? Have you changed your mind on believing that scripture? It seems that your entire religion is one of searching for loopholes in God's Law to excuse your transgressions.


---jerry6593 on 1/22/12


There is a HUGE difference Between MY PEOPLE Israel, and the CHURCH, the Bride/body of Christ.

One was HIDDEN, kept secret from the foundation of the world, and the other WAS NOT.

That a redeemer would come and save ISRAEL was NEVER a secret. They waited for THEIR Promised Messiah.

That God would make a NEW CREATURE, no longer a Jew or Gentile, but one new man IN CHRIST called the CHURCH/ HIS BODY is what was KEPT SECRET.

Colossians 1 conform that, and Romans 16:25-27 Also confirm this.

The Gospel according to the MYSTERY wasn't revelaed until AFTER Christ rose from the dead. It was alluded to in John 17.

It's not nonsense markv, .

IF we all understood this, there would be no arguments!
---kathr4453 on 1/22/12


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Hebrews 2:17
Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people

NOTICE here is does not say MY PEOPLE.

Romans 11:15
For if the casting away of them=ISRAEL(MY PEOPLE) be the reconciling of the world =GENTILES), what shall the receiving of them, ISRAEL>>>MY PEOPLE be, but life from the dead?
---kathr4453 on 1/22/12


"...Blood Atonement and Sacrifice for the sins of mankind." Gordon

I have no pleasure in nitpicking but when it comes to the Word of God, this is what Matthew 1:21 says,

"And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call His name JESUS: for He shall save HIS PEOPLE from their sins."

There's a huge difference to "His people" and "mankind". God graciously reveals to us Christians in His will that His Son's atonement was particular and not universal. If it was universal, then no souls will be found in the Lake of Fire. Yet there are multitudes since the beginning of time who are in Hades. Which means, God failed in His quest to save mankind - which is impossible!
---christan on 1/21/12


Kathr, why don't you stop your nonsense? You just want to argue over and over. Here you argue that God loves everyone the same, then you give,

"TWO separate things going on here, 1st, The Fathers mission, and 2nd Christ KEEPING and sanctifying all who believe and receive Jesus Christ"

If God loves everyone the same, why is He not sanctifying every single human being? Why only those who receive Jesus Christ? If He loved them the same, they would all be sanctified. But you know the truth, not every single person is sanctified. So why do you argue for nothing?
---Mark_V. on 1/21/12


The Thing that was Finished on the Cross was YAHUSHUA's Blood Atonement and Sacrifice for the sins of mankind.
---Gordon on 1/21/12


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"The beginning if John 17 Jesus is prayig for those who God gave Him, the 12 disciples, NOW notice verse 20." kathr

Never have I heard of more idiotic and foolish words from you. Let's go your way for once. Yes, God did give the 11 as one was the son of perdition (aka reprobate) - even this you've got it wrong! Are you to say that God only chose 11 in the whole of His creation and gave to Christ?

So according to your doctrine, every man before and after the apostles will have to work for their own salvation and that's because God only chose 11 to give to Christ. Really? Why do you even bother to call yourself a Christian? Buddha would have been proud to be associated with you and your doctrine.
---christan on 1/21/12


I believe Francis has finally gotten something correct for a change. However, while imparted righteousness is of our obedience, that obedience is to Christ, not Old Testament laws such as the Jewish sabbath or the Jewish dietary laws.

Imputed righteousness is a concept in Christian theology that proposes that the "righteousness of Christ ... is imputed to [believers] that is, treated as if it were theirs through faith." It is on the basis of this "alien" (i.e. from the outside) righteousness that God accepts humans. This acceptance is also referred to as justification. Thus this doctrine is practically synonymous with justification by faith. (Wikipedia)
---lee1538 on 1/21/12


It's Christ in us, who, as we yield and surrender to HIS WILL who's life is righteous through us. ---kathr4453 on 1/20/12
OK.

Both IMPUTED and IMPARTED Righteousness are CREDITED or GIVEN to us by God.

One is IMPUTED to us soley on FAITH,
One is IMPARTED to us you say truely, because of our obedience bases on CHRIST IN US ( the new creature)
2 Peter 1:4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be PARTAKERS OF THE DIVINE NATURE, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.
---francis on 1/20/12


Steven G, did you not read what I wrote?
""It is finished" simply means that Jesus had fulfilled the OT prophesies concerning him while he was on earth"
What was prophesized of Him in the Old Testemant was fulfilled while He was on earth. There was nothing left undone, for if there was things undone, then it is not finished, and He is in heaven now unable in His body to finish the prophesies. He is not on earth anymore. He has risen and at the right hand of God.
---Mark_V. on 1/21/12


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---christan on 1/20/12


First of all christan, maybe you need to explain why GOD the Father loves the Whole world, and why Jesus His Son prays and Keeps all those who come out of the World INTO CHRIST.


AHHHHH, but verse 20 says Jesus is praying for those of US, His Witnesses as we go out into the World and preach the Gospel delivering souls out of this world.

The beginning if John 17 Jesus is prayig for those who God gave Him, the 12 disciples, NOW notice verse 20.

TWO separate things going on here, 1st, The Fathers mission, and 2nd Christ KEEPING and sanctifying all who believe and receive Jesus Christ.
---kathr4453 on 1/21/12


Isaiah 34:1
Come near, ye nations, to hear, and hearken, ye people: let the earth hear, and all that is therein the world, and all things that come forth of it.

Matthew 24:14
And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations, and then shall the end come.


Notice here chriatan, that it says a witness to ALL NATIONS, not a witness to all the Elect.

Your confusion states God loves "the world"=(elect) John 3:16, and then in ch 17 says He's not praying for "the world" =( elect), and will take teh elect our of the elect, and will one day destroy the elect.??

No, YOU explain your own confusion here.
---kathr4453 on 1/21/12


"It is finished" simply means that Jesus had fulfilled the OT prophesies concerning him while he was on earth.

His absolute mission is far from over. His mission is still active today until his return and beyond. He still mediates and intercedes between man and God the Father. He is still praparing mansions for those who turn toward God. He has yet to judge the whole world at the end.
---Steveng on 1/20/12


--kathr4453 on 1/20/12
IMPARTED RIGHTEOUSNESS:

Deuteronomy 6:25 And it shall be our righteousness, if WE OBSERVE to do all these commandments before the LORD our God, as he hath commanded us.

2 Samuel 22:21 The LORD rewarded me according to my righteousness: according to the CLEANLINES OF MY HANDS hath he recompensed me. For I HAVE KEPT the ways of the LORD, and have not wickedly departed from my God.

Romans 2:13 For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but THE DOERS of the law shall be justified.

1 John 3:3 And every man that hath this hope in him PURIFIETH HIMSELF, even as he is pure.

Ezekiel 18:5 if a man be just, AND DO that which is lawful and right,..he shall surely live..
---francis on 1/20/12


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"No christan, you are the one who HATES the message of the Gospel that Christ died for the sin of the whole world." kathr

I've shouted umpteen times that I don't object to what Christ declared in John 3:16. It's your understanding that I come against. "World" here does not represent "every" mankind as you vehemently declare. "World" simply represents His elect, scattered all over this "world". If your understanding is right, explain the following:

"I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me, for they are thine. They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world." John 17:9,16
---christan on 1/20/12


francis, maybe I can say it this way. You have imputed Righteousness correct.

But there is no word in scrifpture stating imparted righteousness, or even any idea God imparts to us righteousness based upon our obedience.

It's Christ in us, who, as we yield and surrender to HIS WILL who's life is righteous through us. We have no righteousness of our own period. We live by the faith of Christ, by His Power and His righteousness. Our obedience then is to surrendering to His Lordship, as He lives through us.
---kathr4453 on 1/20/12


thank you Francis good points.

Are all the 600+ laws found in the Old Testament applicable to the Christain?

Does one become righteous by obedience to law or does one become righteous if one lives by faith?

lee1538

All the laws that put love into action towards GOD and towards our fellow humans are still in effect. For much of the law is about love in action.

The life of faith is based on love towrds GOD and others so it leads us to keep the law because we are born again. Not to get born again. See I John
---Samuel on 1/20/12


Iee1538 I want you to see it from THE BIBLE AGAIN
IMPUTED RIGHTEOUSNESS is given when we believe his promise (JESUS CHRIST) by faith. It is the perfect life / righteousness of Jesus credited to us.
Romans 3:22 the righteousness of God [which is] by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe:

IMPARTED RIGHTEOUSNESS is the righteousness given to us by God when we do what is lawful and right. It is based on the character of Jesus in us ( CHRIST IN YOU)

1 John 3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.

Romans 2:13 For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
---francis on 1/20/12


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No christan, you are the one who HATES the message of the Gospel that Christ died for the sin of the whole world. You fail to see that the scriptures were written BY JEWS and that Jesus came to HIS OWN, meaning JEWS, and His OWN, "the Jews" received Him not. You hate Romans 9-11 EXPLAINING that YOU a Gentile were grafted in...

You hate the idea that you a GENTILE were strangers and aliens from the promises and covenants given to Israel.

You, a gentile, were brought near by the Blood of Christ christan.

Not only for OUR sin, BUT the sin of the whole world....YOU HATE that verse too!

Still poison coming out of you!
---kathr4453 on 1/20/12


francis//SEE IT IN THE BIBLE
1 John 3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.

Who deceived you to have you think that christians do not do what is lawful and right?
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Are all the 600+ laws found in the Old Testament applicable to the Christain?

Does one become righteous by obedience to law or does one become righteous if one lives by faith?

Ga 2:16 yet we know that a person is NOT justified (declared righteous) by works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ, so we also have believed in Christ Jesus, in order to be justified by faith in Christ and not by works of the law, because by works of the law no one will be justified.
---lee1538 on 1/20/12


Lee, "it is finished" is the fulfillment of the entire work of redemption that had been asigned to Him while on earth. The verb here carries the idea of fulfilling one's task and in religious context, has the idea of fulfilling one's obligation (17:4). The single Gr. word (translated "it is finished') has been found in the papyri being placed on receipts for taxes meaning "paid in full" (Col. 3:13,14). "He gave up His spirit" The sentence signaled that Jesus "handed over" His spirit as an act of His will. No one took His life from Him, for He voluntarily and willingly gave it up (John 10:17,18).
---Mark_V. on 1/20/12


---lee1538 on 1/20/12
SEE IT IN THE BIBLE
1 John 3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.

Who deceived you to have youthink that christians do not do what is lawful and right?
---francis on 1/20/12


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Francis //But those who believe then move on to do the works of a believer (sanctification) they are declared righteous (imparted righteousness) by doing what is lawful and right.

Are you really a Jesuit implant as imparted righteousness is the view held by the Roman Catholic church.

Since impart righteousness is dependent upon what we do, it basically negates the work of the Holy Spirit in transforming one into the image of Christ. One does NOT make oneself holy.
---lee1538 on 1/20/12


"It is clearly stated in John 3:16 that salvation would also come to the whole world, and to Gentiles. Otherwise Paul would be acting on his own, just like Joseph Smith."

kathr, you just hate the very idea that God has chosen a people for Himself. Hate all you want, it does not change God's plan of salvation for ONLY His elect. Jesus declared, "All that the Father giveth me shall come to me, and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out. And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father."

If Jesus isn't implying election, then I will burn in hell for bearing false witness. Otherwise, eat your heart out!
---christan on 1/20/12


So the question is, can one have faith( justification) without the works of Christ manifesting through them( sanctification)???
---kathr4453 on 1/19/12
My answer is yes and no

The moment we believe, without doing anything else we have the imputed righteousness of christ ( Justification)

But those who believe then move on to do the works of a believer (sanctification) they are declared righteous (imparted righteousness) by doing what is lawful and right

The otherside would be to believe, and then go on to do what is unlawful and wrong. That would be living in sin

the new creature ( which I am 100% glad you pointed out) Goes on to do what is lawful and right
---francis on 1/19/12


Exactly what was 'finished' at the Cross?

Well, it wasn't the Ten Commandment Law as you would like, but rather the price of your salvation - the sacrifice of the Lamb of God as fortold from the foundation of the world.


---jerry6593 on 1/20/12


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It's His love that saved His people. And not everyone is His people.
---christan on 1/19/12

christan, you need to re-read that last verse you posted. God's LOVE was demonstrated in that He gave His only begotten Son to die for our sin...exactly what John 3:16 states, that WHOSOEVER believes...

Now the definition of WHOSOEVER in the real man's dictionary does NOT mean the elect.

Whosoever means Jews and Gentiles alike.( Read Peter's account wiith Cornelius)

If it were the elect only, NO GENTILES would be saved.

It is clearly stated in John 3:16 that salvation would also come to the whole world, and to Gentiles. Otherwise Paul would be acting on his own, just like Joseph Smith.
---kathr4453 on 1/20/12


The term "earthly mission" makes light of Christ's atonement for the sins of His people. Paul eloquently describe Christ's mission,

"But when the fullness of the time had come, God sent forth His Son, born of a woman, born under the law, to redeem those who were under the law, that we might receive the adoption as sons." Galatians 4:4,5

Is dying on the cross for the sins of His people as simple as an "earthly mission"? It's a demonstration of God's eternal love for His people. "But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us."

It's His love that saved His people. And not everyone is His people.
---christan on 1/19/12


IMPARTED RIGHTEOUSNESS is the righteousness given to us by God when we do what is lawful and right. It is based on the character of Jesus in us ( CHRIST IN YOU)

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---francis on 1/18/12

I guess that is one way to look at it. Sanctification..imparted Righteousness.

We are partakers of His divine nature THROUGH FAITH. So it is by faith in Jesus that HIS LIFE is living through us, however, Jesus never imparts any righteousness to our old flesh. It's the NEW MAN, the NEW CREATURE, no the old.

No longer I but Christ in me.

So the question is, can one have faith( justification) without the works of Christ manifesting through them( sanctification)???
---kathr4453 on 1/19/12


Lee1538, please explain what it means to enter into God's REST.

We hear all the time..to enter His Rest. Will you go deeper into what it means so others can understand.

Keeping is one thing...ENTERING IS ANOTHER.
---kathr4453 on 1/19/12


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What could jesus have possibly done to bring an end to the fact the God created in six days?

The NT continues to urge all men to worship the CREATOR.

Revelation 10:6 who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein

Revelation 14:7 Fear God, and give glory to him,..and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.

The Sunday LIE is a result of worshiping the CREATURE (THE SUN) rather than the creator

Romans 1:25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
---francis on 1/19/12


//How about observing the non-weekly sabbaths?
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No problem with observing the non weekly sabbath. It is optional(Romans 14:5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike)
since it has it's fulfilment in THE PROMISES AND WORK OF JESUS
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Why not simply accept ALL the truth, that Jesus fulfilled all the sabbath laws as those who have come to believe have entered into that rest as portrayed by the creation?Hebrews 4

Do you not suppose one reason the Apostles & their immediate successors did not teach observance of the Sabbath to Gentile believers? Acts 20:7 After all, communal worship was the norm by 135 AD according to Adventists historians.
---lee1538 on 1/19/12


Very good! So what Christ did on the Cross was to fulfill His earthly mission, not the mission He now has in interceding to God the Father on our behalf.

Mt. 5:17 Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets, I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.

And He did fulfill the requirements of the law and did what was prophecized concerning him.
---lee1538 on 1/19/12


Jesus' personal mission that he came to do, and his earthly life. Jesus did not complete your personal mission, which is to also take up your own cross and follow after him, nor did he finish anybody elses mission nor their life on earth. Each one of us must finish just as Christ has finished, whom has gone on before us and showed us The Way. For we whom love not our lives up to the death will surely find it onto life everlasting, and they that love their life in this lifetime will surely lose it.
---Eloy on 1/19/12


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Scripture must confirm Scripture. For Christ to proclaimed, "It is finished", it simply means that He had accomplished His mission, "...for He shall save his people from their sins." Matthew 1:21

Jesus at Calvary fulfilled the prophesy in Isaiah 53:12, "Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong, because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors, and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors."

Salvation is a certainty for "All that the Father giveth me shall come to me, and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out." John 6:37
---christan on 1/18/12


---Iee1538 on 1/17/12
I want you to see it from THE BIBLE

IMPUTED RIGHTEOUSNESS is what Gods gives to us when we believe his promise ( JESUS CHRIST) by faith. It is the perfect life / righteousness of Jesus credited to us in the place of our imperfect righteousness.
Romans 3:22 the righteousness of God [which is] by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe:

IMPARTED RIGHTEOUSNESS is the righteousness given to us by God when we do what is lawful and right. It is based on the character of Jesus in us ( CHRIST IN YOU)

1 John 3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
---francis on 1/18/12


How about observing the non-weekly sabbaths?
---lee1538 on 1/18/12
No problem with observing the non weekly sabbath. It is optional(Romans 14:5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike)
since it has it's fulfilment in THE PROMISES AND WORK OF JESUS

example PENTICOST:

Joel 2:23 for he hath given you the former rain moderately,Joel 2:28 And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh

Acts 2:17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh:

Also day of atonement/ cleansing of the sanctuary
FULFILMENT read Hebrews 9:23
---francis on 1/18/12


Francis honks //I want you to understand THE BIBLE rather than the references you have been reading

1 John 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
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And that also pertains to the law concerning lighting a fire on the Sabbath does it not? Exodus 35:3

How about observing the non-weekly sabbaths?

If you were at least a half-wit, you would acknowledge the fact that not all laws found in the OT are applicable to the Christian.

And one of those non-applicable laws is the observance of the Jewish Sabbath, otherwise you would see it commanded in the NT.

YOU SIN, SIN, SIN, SIN & SIN for you break many of the OT laws.
---lee1538 on 1/18/12


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Of course, the church has always taught salvation is strictly a gift received by grace thru faith,not of ourselves. Eph. 2:8f, Romans 6:23.
---Iee1538 on 1/17/12

I want you to understand THE BIBLE rather than the references you have been reading

1 John 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

Romans 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?

Romans 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in TRANGRESSING THE LAW, that grace may abound?

Romans 6:15 What then? shall we TRANGRESS THE LAW, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
---francis on 1/18/12


In reading Adventist literature, I conclude they believe only sins that were committed prior to belief in Christ were paid for at the Cross. Those that continue not to observe the Jewish Sabbath are still in their sin and cannot inherit eternal life.
---Iee1538 on 1/17/12
I want you to understand the same thing from the bible

1 John 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.


Hebrews 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

Hebrews 10:27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
---francis on 1/18/12


In reading Adventist literature, I conclude they believe only sins that were committed prior to belief in Christ were paid for at the Cross. Those that continue not to observe the Jewish Sabbath are still in their sin and cannot inherit eternal life.

Of course, the church has always taught salvation is strictly a gift received by grace thru faith,not of ourselves. Eph. 2:8f, Romans 6:23.

The believers in Christ, to the Adventists, is not imputed with the righteousness that is in Christ. 1 Cor. 1:30
---Iee1538 on 1/17/12


I'm not sure what francis is trying to say here. What was finished at the cross was the payment for all mankind's sin, past, present and future. Choose to accept His payment and gift of salvation and you are born again.
---Mark on 1/13/12
amen

This verse says it better:
Hebrews 9:24 For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true, but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:

Thus his work for our salvation did not end at the cross, it continues in heaven
---francis on 1/15/12


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I'm not sure what francis is trying to say here. What was finished at the cross was the payment for all mankind's sin, past, present and future. Choose to accept His payment and gift of salvation and you are born again.
---Mark on 1/13/12


Hebrews 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

1 Peter 4:17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?

There is judgment for everyone, and it starts with the house of God

Judgment is given in favour of the saints BEFORE they posses the kingdom.

Daniel 7:22 Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High, and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom

This judgment happens AFTER the cross. So after the cross jesus clearly continues to work for our salvation
---francis on 1/10/12


//so the judgment fo the saint after or before the cross?

for those who would believe scripture -

John 5:24 Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.

And clearly those who believe what scripture tells us, would certainly reject the SDA theory of Investigative Judgment which is a soteriology of works.
---lee1538 on 1/10/12


The Sacrfice was finished at the cross. JESUS never has to die for sin a second time.

The judgement seat both the Great White Throne and Bema seat are still future.
---Samuelbb7 on 1/10/12


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cluny so the judgment fo the saint after or before the cross?

the cleaning of the heavenly sanctuary after or before the cross

making intersession for us ONLY Beforethe cross?

Going to prepare a place for us not AFTER the cross?

See how manythings Jesus does for us AFTER the cross all for our salvation
---francis on 1/10/12


"Who is right? Jesus or EGW?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 1/9/12"


As you know, therein lies the answer to your questions Cluny. :)

Lee: Yes, the earthly aspect of Jesus' mission was finished as he suffered & died in our place, for the remission of our sins...
---Leon on 1/10/12


"Exactly what was 'finished' at the Cross?"
Everything necessary for the salvation and redemption of mankind." For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes." Rom. 10:4 "So Christ was offered once to bear the sins of many." Heb. 9:28
---josef on 1/10/12


I beleive what was finished was His mission to become a sacrifice for sin (past, present & future) of those who would believe.

Hebrews 10:12 But when Christ had offered for all time a single sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God, waiting from that time until his enemies should be made a footstool for his feet. For by a single offering he has perfected for all time those who are being sanctified.

Also Christ became our redeemer by going to the Cross.

But when the fullness of time had come, God sent forth his Son, born of woman, born under the law, to redeem those who were under the law, so that we might receive adoption as sons. Gal. 4:4-5
---lee1538 on 1/9/12


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Exactly what was 'finished' at the Cross?
---lee1538 on 1/9/12
THE OLD COVENANT
Thus the tearing apart of the veil of the sanctuary. We no longer needed the OLD COVENANT. It has served it's purpose as a schoolmaster teaching the plan of redeemption

---Cluny on 1/9/12
Hebrews 9:23 It was therefore necessary that the patterns of things in the heavens should be purified with these, but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these.
Hebrews 9:24 For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:

The cleansing of the heavenly sanctuary did not occur until AFTER his death, so his Job IS not yet finished.
---francis on 1/9/12


If we study the bible, we will see that Jesus continues to work for our salvation LONG LONG after the cross.

One example is: Hebrews 7:25 Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.

Another example is the Judgment which takes place before his second coming:

Daniel 7:10 A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened.

This happens AFTER the cross
---francis on 1/9/12


EGW said that Christ's work is NOT finished. "Now while our great High Priest IS MAKING THE ATONEMENT for us, we should seek to become perfect in Christ"

Who is right? Jesus or EGW?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 1/9/12


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