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Does Divorce Seems To Pass

Will storm ever pass? Divorce seems to bring cloudy days especially when it was not wanted.

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Ja: It is only God that shall always be and cannot be conquered. Every other thing can pass.
---Adetunji on 3/2/12


As much as it is a song it is one to be considered and it goes like this,

1) My hope is built on nothing less, than Jesus blood and righteousness,
I dare not trust the sweetest friend I only lean on Jesus's name,

On Christ the solid Rock X2

divorce is only a change from Man/woman to total dependency on God, for both partners although both or either will use the worlds definitions to remarry, if you are not guided by Matt 19:9, Corinthians 7, Romans 7... you will die and go to hell in your re-marriage.

Hence my encouragement On Christ the SOLID Rock is where you must stand and the storm will turn to sunshine again!
---Carla on 2/29/12


Strongax, I am black-and-white when comparing Holy Scripture side-by-side with a reference book. I can never place a reference book like a dictionary on the same level as God's Holy word which millions of individuals have lived and died for. One, God's most precious words are of more woth than the most costly gold and diamonds, and a reference book cannot compare to Jesus' life-givng and life-changing words. We can and do have the acurrate words from God through studying the perfect copies of the original scriptures which are written in Greek and Hebrew. God has promised this too us, and he preserves his holy scripture, heaven and earth will pass away but his words will abide for ever.
---Eloy on 2/20/12


As one word has many different definitions or meanings, so it is prudent that we use the correct definition of that Hebrew or Greek word, rather than merely selecting the first or most common definition of that word. So we have to be in the Spirit, and have the mind of Christ, and use the right english translation of that word according to the context it is used, else we corrupt God's holy word and say an inacurrate word by miscontexting and misapplying the word. One example of this is the word "suffer", in scripture it can mean either "endure hurt, or loss", but it also can mean "let, or allow, or permit". Therefore the right definition must be used in translation in order to give the right word of God.
---Eloy on 2/20/12


Eloy:

I am delighted that you do not take a simplistic black-and-white (i.e. all or nothing) view of reference works, but judge them on their merits. From what you had written in the past, I had come to the conclusion that you did have such a view of them. I am glad to see that this is not the case.

No man-made works are inerrant (and this includes copies of copies of bible manuscripts, and translations thereof). However, some are highly trustworthy, while others are not. As Paul said, "we see through a glass darkly", and must be content to use the imperfect tools at our disposal. Since God has not provided us with perfect ones, he must believe that what we have is good enough for us.
---StrongAxe on 2/20/12




Strongax, Not all reference books should be rejected. We need to use discernment to know which ones are accurate. When we compare the reference book with the scripture, if the reference opposes the scripture then we conclude the reference is inaccurate, and God's scripture true. I have ancient dictionaries and various lexicons, but I know that they are written by man and may not be accurate. For example, old secular reference books maintained that the earth was flat, rather than round: but if we compare this to the holy scripture written long before the reference books, we find, "He who sits over the circle of the earth..." Is.40:22. And many such like truths are found within the scriptures which contradict reference books.
---Eloy on 2/19/12


Eloy:

My last comment was based on things you said in many blogs here. You reject dictionaries, but without them, how can we know what words mean? When the Bible mentions "oinos", how can we know it means "wine" and not "horse"? One could rely on human teachers, passing down a language tradition for thousands of years, but this is tradition and not written down in the Bible itself.

If you reject ALL human tradition, you reject both the contents of the Bible (as the Bible does not contain a table of contents) and also the means to interpret any of the Bible you DO accept (as the Bible has no dictionary), and any ability to place it within the context in which it was written.
---StrongAxe on 2/19/12


StrongAxe, Some imagination: for out of the mouth the heart speaks. Sinner's words are not God's words. I will take God's word over a man's dictionary or book any day.
---Eloy on 2/18/12


Ja, the storm will pass. In fact it is passing right this minute if you have forgiven her. It will never pass if you do not forgive. Her actions will haunt you for the rest of your life, and everyone who sees the unforgiveness in your heart will know if you are of God. So forgive and move forward. You will not forget, but your good actions will be a good witness for your testimony in what God has done, getting you through this obsticle in your life. her actions against God or for Him to forgive. But you be right with Christ.
---Mark_V. on 2/16/12


Fenrisulfr:

Eloy claims has been supernaturally taught how to read Greek and Hebrew (and apparently English) directly by God, so he translates scripture himself. He has no need for other people's dictionaries, concordances, or translations (or, apparently, multiple witnesses to ensure that his own witness are correct).
---StrongAxe on 2/15/12




Ja, take heart, and stay in Jesus, he will comfort you and strengthen you and be with you up to the end.
---Eloy on 2/1/12


Eloy, Trish is right, you do misquote passages, to try and inpress others. You said "You see, after Jesus saves a sinner from being condemned for their sins, he admonishes that soul to, "Go and Sin No More, else something worse than death come upon you."
Jesus had not saved him from condemnation, but had healed him. He told him to sin no more or else something worse would happen to him, something worse then the illness he had. This had nothing to do with salvation, but to reveal who He was. It was Christ own personal statement of deity.
---Mark_V. on 2/1/12


Trish bears false witness and blasphemes, because her heart is not right: From the fruit the tree is known, whether they be good or rotten. And all must appear in front of the Judgment throne of Christ, that every one will receive the things in body, according to what we have done and said, whether good or bad: "O offspring of vipers, how can you all being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks. A good person out of the good treasure of the heart brings forward good things: and an evil person out of the evil treasure brings forward evil things. But I say to you, That every idle word, which if a person will speak, they will yield account of it at Judgment day." Mt.12:34-36.
---Eloy on 1/31/12


Trish, do not address me until you are ready to receive the truth that I post, for in your dissings you acquire sin upon yourself.
---Eloy on 1/31/12


Eloy is known for misquoting scripture and for attributing statements he makes up as being from God. Eloy has unforgiveness in his heart. The Spirit of God does not inhabit him.
---Trish on 1/31/12


fenrisulfr, No, sinner, here is the what I preached: "Go, and sin no more. Sin no more, else a worse thing come onto you. For if after they escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning." Jn.8:11+ 5:14+ II Pt.2:20. You see, after Jesus saves a sinner from being condemned for their sins, he admonishes that soul to, "Go and Sin No More, else something worse than death come upon you. For the wages of sin is death, and when a soul dies in their sin they are bound for hell, for no sin can enter into the Kingdom of God."
---Eloy on 1/31/12


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Eloy, you wrote, "but God commands the condemned adulteress: "Go and sin No More, else something worse then death come upon you." If you're getting this from John 8:11, you're badly misquoting. That verse actually says, "Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more." It appears you're getting it mixed up with John 5:14, which says, "Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee." Even in that case, Jesus is not specific about exactly what the "worse thing" is.

If you're going to quote Scripture there're plenty of online sites you can cut and paste from. Memory's not the most reliable thing. It can trick you into adding onto the Bible, as you just did.
---Fenrisulfr on 1/30/12


Ja, you are right not to accept her adulteries, To love her for her aduilteries is ungodliness and disease, and that is not what you both vowed together to do. And all home-wreckers God will judge.
---Eloy on 1/30/12


God is not mocked. God's word and instruction is very clear, them whom choose infidelity rather than being faithful to their avowed spouse, they are rightly judged as guilty and under God's wrath, they are not under his love. All wedlock-breakers are accountable for their sin and rightly judged accordingly. Ungodly sinners may praise and bless the adulteress, but God commands the condemned adulteress: "Go and sin No More, else something worse then death come upon you."
---Eloy on 1/30/12


Ja, unforgiveness is a sin against the commandment of Love. It will always be a sin, and the reason it haunts those who cannot forgive. Those who call themselves righteous but do not forgive are in sin. Sin rooted in the heart. When the time comes many of those who have hurt us will come to Christ and they too will be forgiven. No one knows who they will be, but we know many will not come to Christ before they die. They will be judge when the books are opened at the Great White Throne of Judgment.
---Mark_V. on 1/30/12


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Ja, divorce is an ugly result from wedlock breakers, and noone should be joyful over a broken home and broken lives. So you are suppose to feel the way that you do for the evil that she has done. Just pray to Jesus and ask him for his love and his healing. God will judge the sinners and reward the righteous, even as he has promised: "And together will be the destruction of the transgressors and the sinners, and consumed they that forsake Yhwh." Is.1:28.
---Eloy on 1/29/12


Ja, Christian answered Athiest with this quote I will use to say why Eloy is wrong,

"atheist,

A: A true Christian never hopes for anyone to be punished by God, for by the same token he too is a sinner before God also deserving death. Only a self-righteous person will judge his brother according to his standard, even though ALL is declared unrighteous before God"


Ja, everyone in life (sins). No ones perfect but Christ. Believers must always forgive. The reason it still hurts, is because we will not forgive them in our hearts. It is a self righteous behavior because they hurt us. When we do not forgive, we are haunted by sin forever. We become useless to God because of our pain.
---Mark_V. on 1/29/12


ja, Yes it is a horrible thing that an adulteress does, to destroy a home and every soul in the family. I am a true prophet from God, and I have been literally sickened to my stomch when I walked passed a house and I seen that she and he were together in a bed unclothed, I doubled over and gagged at what I seen in the spirit. Truly there is not a thousand hells worse enough for her evil. I also seen her Judgment Day where she must be cast into the lake of fire and brimstone. And there was no pity nor sparing for wickedness.
---Eloy on 1/28/12


I am so thankful for many of your responses. I feel like you Eloy. She has moved down the street and has her young lover staying the night with our 3 sons. This is her 4th lover to my knowledge. Great testimony Mark V. She came back. I see now also how I put her 1st. Was your wife unfaithful? Is that why God took her home early? Check out Ezekiel 16. Adultery is punished. God promises it.
---ja on 1/28/12


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Rhonda: I apologize for being so terse. That was wrong of me. Please forgive me.
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Trish there is no need to ask for my forgiveness I still would still send blessings ...many forgive others freely yet taking longest time to forgive themselves for their own mistakes

hope these offer some comfort if you do not already have:

Isa 35:3-6
Psalms 6:2, 37:5, 41:4, 103:2,3
3John 1:2, John 10:10
Habakkuk 2:4, Rom 1:17
James 1:17, Phil 4:13, 1Pet 5:10
---Rhonda on 1/24/12


Rhonda, I am thankful trish chose to share with you some of her heartaches. Instead of grilling her, why don't you pray for her? I don't imagine she needs to be reminded of anything. I too am dealing with some things in the past. I choose not to share it with whoever is judgemental. God knows. No one else needs to know. Trish, I will pray for you that God will give you peace. I know God has forgiven you and you need to forgive yourself. The devil will keep reminding you of every little thing you ever did wrong. God bless you trish.
---shira4368 on 1/22/12


Rhonda: I apologize for being so terse. That was wrong of me. Please forgive me.

I still struggle with what I did that contributed to the end of my marriage. A lot of what happened was due to my mental illness, and I still have trouble letting go. I am blessed that my children have been able to forgive me for mistakes I made when they were younger.
---Trish on 1/22/12


Rhonda, I am in therapy. You don't know me.
---Trish on 1/17/12
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NEVER NEVER claimed I did

simply responded to someone who wrote they were in emotional pain

my apologies TRISH to taking the time to thoughtfully provide an answer that might somehow someway bring you peace

although it is disturbing to see how many can be living emotionally in the past as your post SEEMED to indicate as I WRONGLY interpreted

although interesting you choose to share a bit of your pain here about your own divorce then reject those who OFFER up any support ... either way peace to you
---Rhonda on 1/21/12


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Ja, the sun will shine again.
---Eloy on 1/19/12


Eloy, if you are right when you said,

"Nonrepentants are never forgiven, no not in this lifetime, nor in that to come."

Then you are not making it in, since you have not repented and its been 30 years. You have to remember that we are saved by Grace through faith, not by any of our own works. You do not make the rules, you would have to write your own bible.
---Mark_V. on 1/18/12


Nonrepentants are never forgiven, no not in this lifetime, nor in that to come.
---Eloy on 1/17/12


Eloy, 30 years and you still have not forgiven her. I feel so sorry for you. Nothing has really change for you, even the two born of the Spirits rebirths did not change your heart. In fact you have gotten worse. Now you say:
" I will take this to Judgment Day, and I will witness her eternal damnation along with each soul in this country which helped her with the destruction: for I have already seen that day and there is no word for her on that day"
You, seating next to Christ, pointing the finger at her while she stands in judgment. And you have seen it already, since you know the past, present and future and have the mind of God. Don't you realize how you sound?
---Mark_V. on 1/17/12


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ja, Maybe not in this lifetime, but in the next. It has been 30 years since I divorced a woman, and while it was something that needed to be done, I equate it to like cutting off my own leg or ripping out my own heart in order to survive. I will take this to Judgment Day, and I will witness her eternal damnation along with each soul in this country which helped her with the destruction: for I have already seen that day and there is no word for her on that day.
---Eloy on 1/17/12


Trish, don't take it so hard. We all fail in some way. We make a lot of mistakes. I put her on a pestistal, she didn't do that. I tried so hard to please her. I was not the husband God wanted me to be. Plus we got married at 18 years old. No one taught me how to be a husband. I learned and did what all others I knew did. I stayed out late, and spend more time at work with friends then at home. When my youngest son was 18 she decided it was time to move out and have a life. I could not stop her. It was too late for me. I realized I could not make her love me as I loved her. I could not make her see what I saw or feel what I did. She was her own person. But God did bring her back, and saved her a year after she came back.
---Mark_V. on 1/17/12


Rhonda, I am in therapy. You don't know me.
---Trish on 1/17/12


but it is so painful at times because I am constantly reminded that I failed him as a wife.
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Trish you did not fail him however you do fail yourself every time you are 'constantly reminding yourself' ...you fail to love yourself - blaming yourself because your husband walked away from your marriage? - walking away from his vows, his promise, his commitment?

why do you beat yourself up?

why do you give a man who has moved on, enjoys and LIVES his life power over yours??

please seek counseling to rebuild your self worth and self esteem so YOU TOO can ENJOY life rather than live in the past you cannot change

life is FAR TOO SHORT to be in so much emotional pain and blame another for it
---Rhonda on 1/16/12


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Markv, I understand exactly what you are saying. I prayed for my husband's salvation for many years and his heart was hardened but Feb 04, God got hold of him and he was saved. I am so thankful because I thought I would never see him saved. From Feb 04 til Oct 07, were the happiest days of my life. I left him many times but always went back and I am so thankful I didn't leave for good. Maybe he wouldn't be in heaven now. I will never know but I try to think I had a little something to do with his salvation. I loved him very much. God bless you Markv.
---shira4368 on 1/16/12


Shira, when my wife decided to leave me and finally left, it was like she had died. I loved her so much, more then anything, even God at the time. I wanted to die myself. I felt no reason for living my life without her. I could not think right, see outside my pain. It took me about a year to understand she was just human, like everyone. I had put her on the throne of my life, and when she failed, I was crushed. I believe when things like this happen, it depends who you live for. I was living for her. I had it all wrong. I should had been living for the Lord. When she came back, I forgave her, and we lived about 9 years so happy. And when she died, it did not hurt me as much as when she left me, because she had already died to me once.
---Mark_V. on 1/16/12


I've seen enough to know that when divorce comes, there is usually blame on both sides.

Very seldom is it all one party's fault.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 1/15/12


My divorce was like a death for a lot of reasons. My husband left me and got married about four years after our divorce. We are amicable for the children and grandchildren but it is so painful at times because I am constantly reminded that I failed him as a wife.
---Trish on 1/15/12


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shira4368,"I think it must be worse than the death of a spouse because it carries with it all the conflict, guilt, rejection etc as well as the actual separation from the other person."

Death of a spouse is far worse than divorce. When one spouse dies, the chance of reconcilitation for any bad things that happened during that marriage is impossible. Death of a spouse where there was a wonderful marriage could never be compared to a divorce.
---KarenD on 1/14/12


donna, i am still trying to figure that out. She divorced me for everything I did wrong it appears. Although she committed adultery I still tried to reconcile. I know I was not perfect and God has shown me plenty since. Still I desire my family. Bible says He will give me the desires of my heart. I even heard if I remain celibate God will use this to draw her back. Almost worked recently but she was still sexual with younger dude. Her soul craved his. 3 sons involved. Satan's plan is to seek and destroy. She is so blind in her sins. Count it all joy. Praise, God for this trial.
---ja on 1/14/12


shira4368,
I think it must be worse than the death of a spouse because it carries with it all the conflict, guilt, rejection etc as well as the actual separation from the other person.

I lost my wife to cancer after 27 years. We had been engaged within a month and married within a year. I was 18 at the time. Not recomended for everyone but we were blessed that it worked for us
---Bruce5656 on 1/13/12


I have been told divorce is like death of a spouse. I hope that isn't true. Many are divorced due their spouse's decision. When I married my husband everyone said it will end before 6 months but it didn't end for 50 yrs and 3 days. I lost him Oct 07. I still miss him like crazy and it is still fresh in my mind and heart. Today it is get married and if you don't like it get a divorce. God is not pleased.
---shira4368 on 1/13/12


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Sag...You are so right. That young preacher is still serving the Lord while his ex is partying her life away. He recently married a woman who is one fire for the Lord and has been serving Him for years.
---KarenD on 1/12/12


Sag, you are so right, as long as there is sin in the world people will fail. Everyone fails at one point or another. Sometimes we put a person (spouse) or a job, or a daughter or son on a pedestal and when they fail, we are crushed. No one belongs on that Pedstal but Christ. He never fails. When He is on the Throne in our lives, things will happen but they will not crush us so much because we know they are not the source of our existence, God is and He never fails. We can trust that whatever God permits to happen in our lives, His works are always righteous and just. They all have a good purpose.
---Mark_V. on 1/12/12


Sad, but true of today.
---KarenD on 1/11/12

When I was a little kid, I somehow, someway, came up with the idea that church leaders must never have any problems. In any type of church.

No Divorce, No Affairs, No problems.

Now that I'm older, I understand that my childhood fantasy just isn't true.

Like you described in your blog post, church leaders do experience problems and hurt.

As long as there is Sin in this world, there will be problems, and hurt to wrestle with. Yes, it's sad, but true.
---Sag on 1/11/12


A recently divorced young preacher asked an older divorced and remarried preacher when the hurt stops. The older man said, "Usually when you meet your next wife." Sad, but true of today.
---KarenD on 1/11/12


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Don't let the divorce cloud you > Jesus says, "Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid." (in John 14:27) We are praying for you to be in God's peace and refuse to let evil things and your own failures get the better of you.

Of course, in case you did things that could have helped to tempt your spouse to force divorce on you, please pray and get encouraged with God and see however you need to relate better and stronger so you are a good example. And even be open to God getting you together better.

Be like the Christianet e-card three baby chickens who get out of their shells and start fresh, not being shut-in by all that shell stuff of yesterday's issues and tissues. God bless you!!!
---Bill_willa6989 on 1/11/12


Several studies, and my own personal observations, seem to prove that some storms never seem to completely pass.

I've long wondered about this. For example, "Bad" experiences that we've been through. Maybe, GOD is keeping these memories "alive" so that we can better witness to other people that have been through similar situations. The list is endless in this fallen, sinful world.

GOD can use your painful divorce experience to reach out and help others in the same situation.

I just seem to never "get over" my bad memories of being fleeced by some ministries. TBN is one. I'm wiser now, and know how to walk away from these extortionists.
---Sag on 1/10/12


I am so sorry you have had to go through this. I know from personal experience how hard it is but I also know you can change your life around.

Keep in mind you are Gods creation, made in his image. You are an heir, try to start acting like one. Expect God to do great things in your life.

Dream some new dreams and refuse to let the tapes of your divorce play over and over in your head. There is no upside in dwelling on the past. Learn from it than move on.

Remember God loves you and wants what is best for you. Let him in. You will see a difference.
---PastorWalt on 1/10/12


The storm DOES pass. I went through a divorce. You will be sad for a while, so give yourself time to heal. Cry and grieve as long as you need to and surround yourself with a good friend who will listen to your heart and how badly you are hurting. My heart goes out to you.

I've always said divorce is painful no matter what the reason. Mine was for Domestic Violence. Why did you get divorced?
---Donna5535 on 1/10/12


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As C. S. Lewis said, some churches and Christians believe that divorce is like an amputation--an extreme measure needed to save the rest of the body.

Others find the operation so radical and life-threatening it should not be done at all.

But both agree it's something major and traumatic, not casual.

You've lost your spouse. Give yourself time to grieve and heal.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 1/9/12


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