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Is signing a "covenant" to become a member of a church biblical? Statements: God EXPECTS you to be a Member of a church family, and A Christian is an orphan without a church family. Comments?

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Tommy, think before you write, yes, the remnant being saved is small, and most denominations are apostate. Know why? Almost all churches teach man saves himself by excersizing their free will. There is few churches that teach reform doctrine. All those denominations that teach "free will" went back to RCC doctrines, salvation by works.
So your wrong in your understanding. God saves sinners. No amount of free will, will ever save anyone. You can never do the works Christ did on the Cross to merit salvation. That is why the churches are in apostasy. You don't like that God saves. Only two alternatives are possible. God must either rule, or be ruled, sway, or be swayed, accomplish His own will, or be thwarted by His creatures.
---Mark_V. on 2/11/12

I would steer clear of the organized church system today, many are death traps, preaching the lie, such as original sin, substitution, OSAS, Calvinism and all its offshoots,moral transfer, and much more. Find a few strong believers if you can to dig into the word with, expose the wolves in the system who
---Tommy8976 on 2/9/12

AMEN Tommy. Wide is the way....and the modern churches and preachers are 2- 8 lane freeways.
---Trav on 2/11/12

I would steer clear of the organized church system today, many are death traps, preaching the lie, such as original sin, substitution, OSAS, Calvinism and all its offshoots,moral transfer, and much more. Find a few strong believers if you can to dig into the word with, expose the wolves in the system who Do NOT preach repentance and faith proven by deeds! 2 Corin 7-10-11. The true church is a small remnant, The road is narrow, you must strive and agonize to enter. Luke13-24. Matt 10-22, You must endure to the end to be saved.If your church is teaching truth, stay in it,if not expose thier lies, then flee Babylon, lest you share in her sins. Rev 18-4.
---Tommy8976 on 2/9/12

Most organized churches are in great apostacy, teaching a false way to the cross, omiting repentance and faith proven by deeds,2 Cor 7-10-11. the sinners prayer saved no one, Jesus diddnt call us to confess and trust, He calls us to repent and follow Him,Luke 9-23, on the narrow road. Matt.7-13-14.
---Tommy8976 on 2/5/12

for many ANY church will do because it is the activities and social events that are wanted

membership agreements, theories GOD "expects" membership, or one is an orphan are unsupported by Holy Scripture these are MANS means to GET themselves members

FELLOWSHIP is encouraged in Holy Scripture however ONLY fellowship in TRUTH one has responsibility to divide truth as given by any teacher

if a denomination is preaching AGAINST Christ with man-made doctrines by attending one is influenced by mans words about God NOT GODS WORDS

Gods Holy Spirit is the teacher in a True Believers life 1John 2:27
---Rhonda on 1/29/12

anon_2 on 1/20/12
"Chria, you are yoked to HIM, not that church, not a church." Yes, as well as all that are the BOC, regardless of any church affiliation, and it is in Him alone that our hope lies. His voice, true, (I/we)follow. Concerned for some others...
Thank you for your post.
---Chria9396 on 1/25/12

there were 7 churches that paul preached to and wrote letters to rebuking them for their misdeeds. If you don't have a church and good fellowship, you are missing out on a lot. Plus, we need the meat of the Word. I am associated with my church because of what I believe to be truth. If someone never goes to church, you are probably spritually cold and dead. I can tell when I miss one sunday.
---shira4368 on 1/24/12

There is One Church the Body of Christ as per Paul's gospel(1Cor 15:1-4) It has to do with you accepting or rejecting what Christ has done for you.
Eph 1: 22 And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to THE CHURCH, 23 WHICH IS HIS BODY, the fulness of him that filleth all in all.
Col 1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church...
---michael_e on 1/21/12

Chria, you are yoked to HIM, not that church, not a church.

That's a problem in the Body of Christ, they think they are yoked to a church or a Pastor and they are NOT.

It is NOT biblical to sign a covenant. Remember Jesus said, MY Sheep hear MY Voice and the Voice of a stranger they will not follow. Run from them if they are bringing you harm.

You're yoked to HIM, not a church.
---anon_2 on 1/20/12

---char on 1/18/12
Thank you much for your post/insight. I DO appreciate it. Good to hear from you. Be blessed.
---Chria9396 on 1/19/12

Hebrew word for covenant is beriyt - the cultural background being from the parent root bar meaning grain. In preparation- livestock- slaughtered, was feed grain. Beriy means fat - barut means meat,- these words also derive from the word beriyt with the common premise being the slaughtering of livestock.The Hebrew word karat means to cut. In Gen 15:10 and Jer 34:18-20 the Hebrew text phrase karat beriyt make a covenant cutting the choices of meat-fatten. Making a covenant, the fattened animal was cut in two pieces-each party passed through. Significant- if one party fails to meet the agreement, the other is given the right to do to the other what was done to the animal - Israel was cut two nations-Israel and Judah.
---char on 1/18/12

---aka on 1/13/12 Good news Im happy to hear, praise God!
MarkV, Thanks for your information. I quoted covenant because this church has a membership covenant and I also quoted their statements in my post.
Jesus Christ told us He would build His Church. "For where two or three are gathered together in My name, I am there in the midst of them" Agree. My church is the Body of Christ, the church of GOD, along with all who in every place call on the name of JESUS CHRIST OUR LORD, both theirs and ours.
---Chria9396 on 1/18/12

Chria, the word 'Covenant' was the wrong word to use. Covenant and a contract are similar. But a Covenants in the Bible are not usually between equals. Rather, they follow a pattern common to the Ancient Near East suzerain-vassal treaties. Suzerain-vassal treaties were made between a conquering king and the conquered. There was no negotiation between the two parties. In the case of God's Covenants, He is the Suzerain, the people of Israel were the vassals. In the covenant it list what God has done to deserve loyalty, such as bringing Israel out of Slavery. The list includes what He requires of them, and last, on the list were the blessings that came for obedying God, and the curses that would occur if not.
Who is the Suzerain in your church?
---Mark_V. on 1/17/12

Markv, you are on target again. Thanks for your biblical answers on christianet. Thanks for your stand.
---shira4368 on 1/17/12

Thank you all for responses. I hope to respond more soon. Cluny, Im not advocating free lance Christianity, but questioning some things about a specific church. There have been many changes in this church in recent years. I just discovered changes in the churchs belief statement. Some I love are members, though I am not, and do not intend to sign a covenant. I dont want to accuse, but rightly discern, watch, pray, especially for those I love. God bless you all.
---Chria9396 on 1/16/12

Another OT Scenario:

A gentile goes up to Moses and says something like this:

"I hear all about that YHVH you guys worship, and He sounds like He's just da bomb. But I don't really like you Hebrews. So why don't you give me a copy of that Torah thingy, a couple of sacrificial animals, some vestment and Ark patterns, and I'll be on my way back to Jericho. I've got the incense already."

How do you think this request would have been received?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 1/16/12

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Eloy, The "Temple" that Jesus cleansed was in no way resemblence of a "church"!
Only priests were allowed in, the buying and selling of animals for sacrifice was done in the courtyard.
No way a forerunner of today's churches!
---1st_cliff on 1/16/12

joseph, A-men. these wolves in sheeps clothing and brood of vipers would do well to learn what Jesus did when he walked into the temple and found the money chargers. He yelled at them, "My House will be a House of Prayer!" turned their tables upon them, and made a whip and whipped every one of them sinners out of his church, just as our Holy God casts souls out into outer darkness where there is weeping and gnashing of teeth, and he will love them no more. Reference, Hosea 9:15+ John 2:15+ Mark 11:15-17.
---Eloy on 1/16/12

no. A denomination nor membership into a church can not and will not save you, only Jesus. Yes it is wise to have fellowship, however signing a paper to be with a certain church doesn't qualify you into the knigdom. it isn't biblical.There is only 1 roll to be on and that's Gods roll.
---candice on 1/13/12

There's no way a Christian can be an orphan. If you're a child of God, you have a Father. Webster says an orphan is a child whose parents are dead. Duh.... With God as our Father, that's all we need to prevent us from being Spiritual orphans. The church family is for encouragement, fellowship & worshiping our Father together. But without the church family, God is still the Christian's Father.
---Reba on 1/13/12

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Chria, there is no covenant to joining a Church. When you make a committment, it means you belong to that visible church and not another. Anywhere Christians gather together is a Church.
Jesus Christ told us He would build His Church. "For where two or three are gathered together in My name, I am there in the midst of them"
So you are a member of the visible Church as long as you gather with another brother or sister.
Paul uses the human body as a metaphor for the spiritual Church "The Head of the Body" of which Christ serves as the "Head" just as a body is controlled from the brain, so Christ controls every part of the spiritual Church and gives it life and direction (Eph. 4:15: 5:23)
---Mark_V. on 1/14/12

"Is signing a "covenant" to become a member of a church biblical?" No.
Chria, It's all about money, and I am not attempting to be funny. What seems to be the majority of "churches", are vying for a buck in this land of milk and honey. Quilt trips, hard sells, and even intentional deceit is nothing new, they don't get paid if noones in the pew.
---joseph on 1/14/12

The christian nation fell into the same demise of the jews-establishing visible leaders as their authorities over them.
Catholicism has done this from their beginning as well.
Growth is limited because of enforced uniformity of and observance of traditions.
Jesus initiated a brotherhood and did not initiate a church enviroment ."On this rock..." is mis quoted .Paul evidently believed a church of authority by men was a good thing and gave directions for doing so.Intolerance makes churches slow .
It is no more than simple-faith that opens heaven's gates.
Where does our membership reside,in heaven or on earth?
---earl on 1/14/12

The Bible says do not forego meeting in small groups (Bible Study) and large groups (Churchs). It is in one of Paul's letters

becoming a member of a church is a commitment for you to serve the local body of believers it could be a church of 15 or a church of 20,000 but the point is to serve. The Bible is NOT about you nor the church about you. So quite complaining and start being a producer instead or a consumer.
---Scott1 on 1/14/12

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Consider this scenario.

Imagine a Philistine some 3000 years ago saying, "King David, I want a personal relationship with you, and I want you to be my personal king, but I don't want to have anything to do with your kingdom".

What do you suppose would have been the result of this petition?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 1/14/12

Don't be fooled into "joining a membership" that does not lead one into the spiritual kingdom of God but fattens the deep pockets of those who love money. God's Kingdom is not a golf club that requires a "membership". Jesus declares it truthfully,

"Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God." John 3:5. And that's because, "God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth." John 4:24

The body of Christ is made up of those only born of the Spirit by the will of God. Only God knows who they are. That's because He has chosen them before the foundations of the world.
---christan on 1/14/12

It says, "we are members of one another" (in Romans 12:5). So, we need each other, more than members of a human body depend on each other. So, surely someone just off on one's own is not biblical. But we need to be "submitting to one another in the fear of God." (Ephesians 5:21) And leaders are told, "nor as being lords over those entrusted to you, but being examples to the flock." (1 Peter 5:3) Also, "Obey those who rule over you, and be submissive, for they watch out for your souls, as those who must give account." (in Hebrews 13:17) So, God expects this which is in the New Covenant.
---Bill_willa6989 on 1/14/12

Chria, It's like the "Synagogue" Nowhere did God command the instituting of a synagogue,no one knows the origin "They just happened"
God never commanded the building of "Churches"
Paul set the ball rolling by starting the 7 in Asia Minor!
They are all "man made" organizations !
Complete with their own set of rules and hierarchy, competing with each other for membership!
Is it any wonder true Christianity is hard to recognize??
---1st_cliff on 1/13/12

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That Cluny wrote in Latin means, A solitary Christian is no Christian at all.
---John.usa on 1/13/12

Think about this:

Were Noah and his family saved because of their personal relationship with YHVH, or were they saved because they were in the ark?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 1/13/12

The Bible has several illustrations for God's "covenant" with people. Examples: Moses, Abraham, Noah, and David.

I believe that we should only make "covenant" with God. At the time of: birth, confirmation, marriage, etc.

A "covenant" to join a church sounds silly and un-Biblical. Same goes for "covenant" to give additional monies for what seem like church luxuries: New vehicle for your pastor, New pews and sound system for the church, Building Projects, etc.
---Augie on 1/13/12

in or out of church buildings, i am an orphan saved only by the grace of God.

we are never really out of the church. do we go to temple or are we the temple? do we go to church or are we the church?

it is wise not to forsake the gathering of the bros/sisters, but remember to truly love God is how we treat our brothers whether gathering in a building or outside in the dirt.

(please pray for my wife who has finally decided she has had enough of her destructive lifestyle and is seeking help. pray that God delivers her from having no earthly father and a series of boys (not men) who did not know of the true God (including me) and al it's spin-offs.)
---aka on 1/13/12

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Signing a "covenant" to become a member of a church is antiBible, and that church is antiChrist. Christ says to go out into the hiughways and biways and invite others to come to church, he did not say make them sign a covenant nor did he say make them pay a tithe or any money before you minister to them freely. Noone has to sign a "covenant" to be a member of a Christian Church. "Churching" with others is not expected, especially if the "churching is antiChrist". Christ spent MORE TIME OUTSIDE the doors of the synagogue in order to minister the gospel to the souls, rather than inside the confines of a synagogue.
---Eloy on 1/13/12

We are to assemble ourselves together. I didn't sign anything to join my church. I joined because I believe their doctrine. If you don't stand for something you may fall for anything. My church lets others know what I believe. If I couldn't get fed the meat of the Word, I may shrink to nothing spiritually. We need the fellowship of a body of believers, to pray for one another and share our burdens. Don't ever think you can lay out of church and serve the Lord. It just is not going to happen.
---shira4368 on 1/13/12

Jesus Christ died to take away your sins and give you eternal life

BELIEVING that is what makes you a member of Jesus Christ's church. This is Biblical.

The reasons for church membership seem to vary widely.

Sometimes, it is to form a larger church family for: Prayer, Worship, etc. This is good and Biblical.

However, I deplore church membership that requires, or obligates, you to give more MONEY.

2 Corinthians 9:7 immediately comes into my mind:

Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give, not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver

Church membership shouldn't be an "Extortion" exercise in Monetary giving.
---Sag on 1/13/12

Show how it's Biblical to be a free-lance Christian attached to no local body.

There's an old Christian saying, "Unus Christianus, nullus Christianus."

If you need help translating it, let me know.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 1/13/12

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